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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:21 am
  • HawkRiderFan wrote:I figure a room full of Seahawk fans is a safe place for me to unload on something else that really gets me angry about that play....other than the obvious.
    I give the Patriots and coaches all the credit for being prepared for that play and their preparation in general. But the over-the-top praise drives me nuts. Remember how the Pats didn't call timeout after Lynch's run leading up that play. I've actually heard people calling that a brilliant move by Billicheck that manipulated Pete into throwing the ball. Give me a freaking break. If the Hawks score on that play, everyone is questioning why the Pats didn't use a timeout to give Brady more time to come back and tie the game.
    There is no reason to call that a brilliant move. Rant off!


    A time out is what was supposed to happen and almost any coach in the world would have called one. Belichick didnt though and our coach panicked. I truly dont think Pete knew what to do. It was a great move by Belichick.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:51 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    right... because the Patriots put their success into the hands of their best players. The Seahawks, on that occasion, did not. However, it was relying on Chris Matthews that even kept them in the game in the first half..


    Other than Gronk, the Patriots offensive roster is mediocre at best. So not sure what you mean by this statement. Most of their late game TD winners are guys like White, Amendola, etc.

    Hell yeah put the ball in the hands of Brady, so you're saying Russell wasn't worthy of putting the ball in his hands?

    I'm not saying we shouldn't have handed it off to Marshawn, but let's remember Marshawn's goal line success rate that year was like 40%?.............and the Pats had their heavy goalline defense in the game expecting it.

    Execution, execution and execution. That's why we lost. The Pat's D executed flawlessly, and we didn't. Everyone assumes handing it off to Marshawn would have worked, when as I referenced about, it most certainly wasn't a sure thing either.




    Brady won that game on offense for them. He was excellent in the 2nd half. Same with the Falcons game. That’s pretty simple.

    You keep saying “execution” as if that’s some secret word NFL teams outside the Patriots don’t understand. Teams execute to their strengths. Great teams have more strengths and can diversify while remaining consistent. That play was not to the Seahawks, nor Wilson’s strength. Yes.. it could’ve worked if “executed” properly. But there were certainly a handful of plays in the book that couldve been “executed” that didnt rely on Wilson to Lockette. You can keep the ball in Wilson’s hands and not use an undrafted special teams player to win a Super Bowl.

    Yeah. The Patriots made a play. What they do better than other teams is stay disciplined and wait you out. It’s why their Super Bowls are so close.

    They waited for the Hawks to make a mistake. The Hawks obliged.


    As I stated Si, Marshawn was 6 for 14 from the goalline in 2014, that's less than a 50% success rate. So how is that exactly playing to our strengths?

    We were terrible for years at 1st and goal, including that year. That was nowhere near our strength.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:23 am
  • Butler made a "great play"?

    He ran less than 3 yards unblocked to the ball which was thrown right to that spot where he was, but is the definition of a "great play"
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:41 am
  • Seahawkville wrote:Butler made a "great play"?

    He ran less than 3 yards unblocked to the ball which was thrown right to that spot where he was, but is the definition of a "great play"


    He absolutely made a great play. No hesitation on the break, got underneath Lockette and held onto the ball after contact..............with the SB on the line?
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:03 pm
  • Seahawkville wrote:Butler made a "great play"?

    He ran less than 3 yards unblocked to the ball which was thrown right to that spot where he was, but is the definition of a "great play"


    If the ball was thrown to the spot it should have been it’s either a TD or incomplete pass. I don’t understand how RW seems to avoid the blame. Sure there were other mistakes on the play (the call definitely not one of them), but with a decent throw the other mistakes don’t lead to total disaster. So not as much of a great play by the D, but a massive choke job by our QB. RW has had some great moments, and deserves credit for them. He also deserves the blame when it is deserved.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:47 pm
  • Best interview regarding "The Play" I've ever seen - and I've seen/witnessed a bunch.

    Luke is always a great guy to talk shop with.

    Given that version of the Seahawks is being dismantled in real time now makes the conversation of that SB loss even more pertinent. It will always be remembered by so many as the beginning of the end of that great Pete Caroll Seahawks run.

    That is, unless Pete pulls a rabbit out of the hat with those massive balls of his that Luke referenced. History dictates that outcome as highly unlikey, but I'd love for it to happen.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:02 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    right... because the Patriots put their success into the hands of their best players. The Seahawks, on that occasion, did not. However, it was relying on Chris Matthews that even kept them in the game in the first half..


    Other than Gronk, the Patriots offensive roster is mediocre at best. So not sure what you mean by this statement. Most of their late game TD winners are guys like White, Amendola, etc.

    Hell yeah put the ball in the hands of Brady, so you're saying Russell wasn't worthy of putting the ball in his hands?

    I'm not saying we shouldn't have handed it off to Marshawn, but let's remember Marshawn's goal line success rate that year was like 40%?.............and the Pats had their heavy goalline defense in the game expecting it.

    Execution, execution and execution. That's why we lost. The Pat's D executed flawlessly, and we didn't. Everyone assumes handing it off to Marshawn would have worked, when as I referenced about, it most certainly wasn't a sure thing either.




    Brady won that game on offense for them. He was excellent in the 2nd half. Same with the Falcons game. That’s pretty simple.

    You keep saying “execution” as if that’s some secret word NFL teams outside the Patriots don’t understand. Teams execute to their strengths. Great teams have more strengths and can diversify while remaining consistent. That play was not to the Seahawks, nor Wilson’s strength. Yes.. it could’ve worked if “executed” properly. But there were certainly a handful of plays in the book that couldve been “executed” that didnt rely on Wilson to Lockette. You can keep the ball in Wilson’s hands and not use an undrafted special teams player to win a Super Bowl.

    Yeah. The Patriots made a play. What they do better than other teams is stay disciplined and wait you out. It’s why their Super Bowls are so close.

    They waited for the Hawks to make a mistake. The Hawks obliged.


    As I stated Si, Marshawn was 6 for 14 from the goalline in 2014, that's less than a 50% success rate. So how is that exactly playing to our strengths?

    We were terrible for years at 1st and goal, including that year. That was nowhere near our strength.


    Who said it had to be a handoff to Lynch?

    The team had more than one strength

    you're playing into numerous falsehoods.. and not sure why? Is it to extoll the Pats? Is it to provide an out to the Seahawks? Is it to suggest that was the team's best play?

    Because the issue is/was elsewhere
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:07 pm
  • semiahmoo wrote:Best interview regarding "The Play" I've ever seen - and I've seen/witnessed a bunch.

    Luke is always a great guy to talk shop with.

    Given that version of the Seahawks is being dismantled in real time now makes the conversation of that SB loss even more pertinent. It will always be remembered by so many as the beginning of the end of that great Pete Caroll Seahawks run.

    That is, unless Pete pulls a rabbit out of the hat with those massive balls of his that Luke referenced. History dictates that outcome as highly unlikey, but I'd love for it to happen.



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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:21 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Who said it had to be a handoff to Lynch?

    The team had more than one strength

    you're playing into numerous falsehoods.. and not sure why? Is it to extoll the Pats? Is it to provide an out to the Seahawks? Is it to suggest that was the team's best play?

    Because the issue is/was elsewhere


    What other strengths are you talking about then.

    You're the one telling me I'm wrong, so why am I wrong? What "strengths" should we have gone with if you weren't talking about Marshawn?
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:27 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Who said it had to be a handoff to Lynch?

    The team had more than one strength

    you're playing into numerous falsehoods.. and not sure why? Is it to extoll the Pats? Is it to provide an out to the Seahawks? Is it to suggest that was the team's best play?

    Because the issue is/was elsewhere


    What other strengths are you talking about then.

    You're the one telling me I'm wrong, so why am I wrong? What "strengths" should we have gone with if you weren't talking about Marshawn?


    I mean i did have it one of my first posts. Wilson with the ball in his hands and on the move. Read option. Roll out. Something to Baldwin. Pass in the flat to Lynch. You cant convince me THAT play was even in our top 5 of good options, considering personnel.

    Im not telling you you are wrong.. I just think your perspective is focused on the wrong thing. Pats do what they do.. wait for mistakes. Seahawks got uncharacteristically casual and cute with their play call.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:43 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    Uncle Si wrote:
    Who said it had to be a handoff to Lynch?

    The team had more than one strength

    you're playing into numerous falsehoods.. and not sure why? Is it to extoll the Pats? Is it to provide an out to the Seahawks? Is it to suggest that was the team's best play?

    Because the issue is/was elsewhere


    What other strengths are you talking about then.

    You're the one telling me I'm wrong, so why am I wrong? What "strengths" should we have gone with if you weren't talking about Marshawn?


    I mean i did have it one of my first posts. Wilson with the ball in his hands and on the move. Read option. Roll out. Something to Baldwin. Pass in the flat to Lynch. You cant convince me THAT play was even in our top 5 of good options, considering personnel.

    Im not telling you you are wrong.. I just think your perspective is focused on the wrong thing. Pats do what they do.. wait for mistakes. Seahawks got uncharacteristically casual and cute with their play call.


    I never said I LOVED the playcall...............and have said many many times that if we were going to pass, to roll Russell out.

    I'm merely giving the Patriot's credit, and saying that even though it might not have been the strongest playcall. If we execute then we probably win.

    But what the hell, this is all speculation that continues to make me sick to my stomach. So not sure why we continue to dwell on the play like it's going to change the outcome.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:10 pm
  • The biggest problem with that play was that we didn't audible out of it.

    The Pats obviously knew what play we were running.

    Trying to run a pick against the toughest CB in the league at the LOS (Browner) wasn't ever going to happen. Kearse was our biggest WR at the time, plus the best blocker. There wasn't another choice but he was always going to get owned against Browner. So at that point, expect no pick/interference from Kearse.

    The throw by Wilson wasn't great but it wasn't horrible. If he lead Locket a bit more it would've been harder for the CB to make the play but Butler still broke on it.

    Can't really blame Locket too much as he was expecting the defender to get picked or at least fight through traffic. You can see when he gets hit, he's totally surprised.

    Butler just made a hell of a play. Sometimes they get you.

    I'm also not griping about the play call. It was a good call against a goal line defense. I just think we should've either called timeout or audibled out of it, yet even then that's hindsight being picky. There is a VERY low interception rate on that pass play. Typically if you don't get it, it's either an incompletion or your guy is stopped short.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:40 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Who said it had to be a handoff to Lynch?

    The team had more than one strength

    you're playing into numerous falsehoods.. and not sure why? Is it to extoll the Pats? Is it to provide an out to the Seahawks? Is it to suggest that was the team's best play?

    Because the issue is/was elsewhere


    What other strengths are you talking about then.

    You're the one telling me I'm wrong, so why am I wrong? What "strengths" should we have gone with if you weren't talking about Marshawn?


    I mean i did have it one of my first posts. Wilson with the ball in his hands and on the move. Read option. Roll out. Something to Baldwin. Pass in the flat to Lynch. You cant convince me THAT play was even in our top 5 of good options, considering personnel.

    Im not telling you you are wrong.. I just think your perspective is focused on the wrong thing. Pats do what they do.. wait for mistakes. Seahawks got uncharacteristically casual and cute with their play call.


    I never said I LOVED the playcall...............and have said many many times that if we were going to pass, to roll Russell out.

    I'm merely giving the Patriot's credit, and saying that even though it might not have been the strongest playcall. If we execute then we probably win.

    But what the hell, this is all speculation that continues to make me sick to my stomach. So not sure why we continue to dwell on the play like it's going to change the outcome.


    Agree totally.

    I don’t mind the conversation to be honest. I’m over it (mostly.. back to back would’ve been cool) emotionally.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:18 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:I figure a room full of Seahawk fans is a safe place for me to unload on something else that really gets me angry about that play....other than the obvious.
    I give the Patriots and coaches all the credit for being prepared for that play and their preparation in general. But the over-the-top praise drives me nuts. Remember how the Pats didn't call timeout after Lynch's run leading up that play. I've actually heard people calling that a brilliant move by Billicheck that manipulated Pete into throwing the ball. Give me a freaking break. If the Hawks score on that play, everyone is questioning why the Pats didn't use a timeout to give Brady more time to come back and tie the game.
    There is no reason to call that a brilliant move. Rant off!


    A time out is what was supposed to happen and almost any coach in the world would have called one. Belichick didnt though and our coach panicked. I truly dont think Pete knew what to do. It was a great move by Belichick.

    Actually it was a dumb move by Billycheat and our coaches didn’t take advantage of it. Our coaching staff panicked and had to get the play in, and they called the dumbest play in NFL history. If Seattle scores there (which was most likely to happen) NE has very little time to score. Billycheat handed Seattle the game and our coaching staff refused to take it.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:22 pm
  • Hawks46 wrote:The biggest problem with that play was that we didn't audible out of it.

    The Pats obviously knew what play we were running.

    Trying to run a pick against the toughest CB in the league at the LOS (Browner) wasn't ever going to happen. Kearse was our biggest WR at the time, plus the best blocker. There wasn't another choice but he was always going to get owned against Browner. So at that point, expect no pick/interference from Kearse.

    The throw by Wilson wasn't great but it wasn't horrible. If he lead Locket a bit more it would've been harder for the CB to make the play but Butler still broke on it.

    Can't really blame Locket too much as he was expecting the defender to get picked or at least fight through traffic. You can see when he gets hit, he's totally surprised.

    Butler just made a hell of a play. Sometimes they get you.

    I'm also not griping about the play call. It was a good call against a goal line defense. I just think we should've either called timeout or audibled out of it, yet even then that's hindsight being picky. There is a VERY low interception rate on that pass play. Typically if you don't get it, it's either an incompletion or your guy is stopped short.

    Disagree. It was a horrible play call and the results prove it. They threw a hurried pass into a stacked and crowded box. Unnecessary risk.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:00 pm
  • Terrible play call.

    1. You dont throw a precision route to your 73rd best out of 5 WRs with the game on the line in the Superbowl.

    2. You sont make the pass hinge on Kearse being able to outmuscle BRANDON BROWNER.

    3. You dont ply away from your QBs strength!
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:54 pm
  • The Whole time I was Yelling I dont like the formation I dont like the formation. If Wilson would of rolled out to his right he would of walked in, This is something he has to change in his game a little bit. He is a seasoned vet he needs to know when to hold them know when to fold them know when to walk away know when to run. I blame him just as much if not more than lockette on the play it was a crap pass.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:33 am
  • thegreeninyoureye wrote:The Whole time I was Yelling I dont like the formation I dont like the formation. If Wilson would of rolled out to his right he would of walked in, This is something he has to change in his game a little bit. He is a seasoned vet he needs to know when to hold them know when to fold them know when to walk away know when to run. I blame him just as much if not more than lockette on the play it was a crap pass.

    I agree with the first part of your post. I was yelling at the TV with my folks as Lynch emptied out of the backfield “saying what are they doing? They are going to <censored> pass!!! Then the worst thing happened. It was like watching a car accident in slow motion.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:45 am
  • so who is the dude that broke/hurt his arm punching something?
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:32 am
  • HawkRiderFan wrote:I still have no problem with the concept of passing on that play. But play action, Russ rolls with one of 3 options 1) run it in, 2) throw to someone wide open in the back of the endzone cause his man bit on the play-fake 3) throw it out the back of the endzone if neither 1 nor 2 is available.

    Pats heavy package means bigger guys and more people towards the middle. So why call a play throwing there to a guy known more for his special teams play than receiving skills?



    The play design itself wasn’t wrong. What was wrong was using Lockette and as the primary and Russell. I think I’m the biggest Russell supporter on this board, if not certainly amongst them. However, he screwed up on that play. The placement of that ball should have been at Riccardos sheens. Either Ricardo catches it. Or it’s incomplete.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:24 am
  • Lets not forget the low snap from Unger to start the play as well, something that I think was a leading factor for his being traded for Graham because it was happening way to often during the regular season and continued in the playoffs.

    So little could have been different in that play that could have resulted in any number of other things happening other than an INT but that's hindsight and it's always 20/20.

    Once we win another SB, I think all this will fade into history, I just hope it doesn't take a decade or more to do it.

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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:28 am
  • Bevel was right, Lockette did not fight for the ball.. just kind of chicken winged it and Butler fought through it and made Lockette his.. B thing.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:02 am
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:I found that interview to be very informative. I know some here are saying time to let it go, but with the players actually talking about it brings it full circle. Just part of the process of letting it go.

    After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:28 am
  • MD5eahawks wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:I found that interview to be very informative. I know some here are saying time to let it go, but with the players actually talking about it brings it full circle. Just part of the process of letting it go.

    After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:35 am
  • MD5eahawks wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:I found that interview to be very informative. I know some here are saying time to let it go, but with the players actually talking about it brings it full circle. Just part of the process of letting it go.

    After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

    No angst or Frustration here, I've learned a long time ago, that if ya stop picking at the scab, ya heal a lot faster.
    I figure that there are some folks that just can't let go, and that it's a waste of time & Rolaids. :lol:
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:14 pm
  • 12HawkFan wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:I found that interview to be very informative. I know some here are saying time to let it go, but with the players actually talking about it brings it full circle. Just part of the process of letting it go.

    After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

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    A very LONG time.

    Pro sports is a weird thing in as much as you can inherit baggage left over by past regimes that you had ZERO to do with but the reality is that is still in the franchises head and sometimes takes who knows what to finally get over it.

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    MD5eahawks wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

    .
    I know it's a different sport but how long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to get over what had happened during a World Series a very long time ago?

    A very LONG time.

    Pro sports is a weird thing in as much as you can inherit baggage left over by past regimes that you had ZERO to do with but the reality is that is still in the franchises head and sometimes takes who knows what to finally get over it.

    GO HAWKS!!!


    The Seahawks got over a super bowl loss in ten years. Patriots got over 2 losses in 4 years.


    Nobody has forgot the Bettis Bowl, it just was one upped by the Bevell Bowl.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    12HawkFan wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:After THREE YEARS?????...NOT letting go, is for losers, you weigh anchor and move on.

    Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

    .
    I know it's a different sport but how long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to get over what had happened during a World Series a very long time ago?

    A very LONG time.

    Pro sports is a weird thing in as much as you can inherit baggage left over by past regimes that you had ZERO to do with but the reality is that is still in the franchises head and sometimes takes who knows what to finally get over it.

    GO HAWKS!!!


    The Seahawks got over a super bowl loss in ten years. Patriots got over 2 losses in 4 years.


    Comparing apples to oranges, the Seahawks loss was SO controversial. Seriously, when the lead official comes out four years later and apologizes for calls that altered the outcome of the game?
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    12HawkFan wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:Yes. After THREE YEARS.
    Point is, the core of players involved are still here and it seems it took THREE YEARS for the team to make a change that they deemed necessary during that particular off-season. Getting rid of Cable and Bevell THREE YEARS later is part of the process of letting go. Should've been sooner but, could've, would've, should've. It has happened now, not THREE YEARS ago.

    note: I left the THREE YEARS in caps as a tip of the cap to our frustration over the lack of change that was needed. I feel ya.

    .
    I know it's a different sport but how long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to get over what had happened during a World Series a very long time ago?

    A very LONG time.

    Pro sports is a weird thing in as much as you can inherit baggage left over by past regimes that you had ZERO to do with but the reality is that is still in the franchises head and sometimes takes who knows what to finally get over it.

    GO HAWKS!!!


    The Seahawks got over a super bowl loss in ten years. Patriots got over 2 losses in 4 years.


    Nobody has forgot the Bettis Bowl, it just was one upped by the Bevell Bowl.


    We are still talking about the players right?

    Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.

    It’s not like these guys are walking up and down radio row asking for a hot mic to spill their guts. They are being asked. If Manning was there someone would bring up 43-8. I’m sure Ryan has fielded a question or two about 28-3.
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  • “I don’t think many guys on the team are really that upset about the play-call. Maybe in the moment of. And I said this a few times this weekend, I would say that 95 percent of the offensive players are really going to miss Darrell Bevell,” Willson said. “I thought personally – this is me personally talking now – I thought he was a phenomenal play caller and I thought that this year we let him down. That’s just the bottom line. I’m going to miss Bev. And you look at some of the things he was able to accomplish here, I mean, he did an unbelievable job and we were just inconsistent. It always happens, where some guys get the blame and I guess they’re looking for some fresh faces, I don’t know. But I do feel personally responsible, as a player on that offense, that Darrell Bevell is no longer here. And I think that whoever gets Darrell Bevell is going to get a great coach, and I think if you talk to anybody on our offense they would agree with that statement.”


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    “I don’t think many guys on the team are really that upset about the play-call. Maybe in the moment of. And I said this a few times this weekend, I would say that 95 percent of the offensive players are really going to miss Darrell Bevell,” Willson said. “I thought personally – this is me personally talking now – I thought he was a phenomenal play caller and I thought that this year we let him down. That’s just the bottom line. I’m going to miss Bev. And you look at some of the things he was able to accomplish here, I mean, he did an unbelievable job and we were just inconsistent. It always happens, where some guys get the blame and I guess they’re looking for some fresh faces, I don’t know. But I do feel personally responsible, as a player on that offense, that Darrell Bevell is no longer here. And I think that whoever gets Darrell Bevell is going to get a great coach, and I think if you talk to anybody on our offense they would agree with that statement.”


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    It was always cable more then DB. Kind of hard to do run plays when your o line coach can't coach.
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    Jville wrote:
    “I don’t think many guys on the team are really that upset about the play-call. Maybe in the moment of. And I said this a few times this weekend, I would say that 95 percent of the offensive players are really going to miss Darrell Bevell,” Willson said. “I thought personally – this is me personally talking now – I thought he was a phenomenal play caller and I thought that this year we let him down. That’s just the bottom line. I’m going to miss Bev. And you look at some of the things he was able to accomplish here, I mean, he did an unbelievable job and we were just inconsistent. It always happens, where some guys get the blame and I guess they’re looking for some fresh faces, I don’t know. But I do feel personally responsible, as a player on that offense, that Darrell Bevell is no longer here. And I think that whoever gets Darrell Bevell is going to get a great coach, and I think if you talk to anybody on our offense they would agree with that statement.”


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    It was always cable more then DB. Kind of hard to do run plays when your o line coach can't coach.


    I understand that fan sentiment takes on a life of its own. But, there are many players and staff personnel that disagree and recognize that when players fail to execute, the NFL facsimile of musical chairs begins anew.
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Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:51 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    12HawkFan wrote:.
    I know it's a different sport but how long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to get over what had happened during a World Series a very long time ago?

    A very LONG time.

    Pro sports is a weird thing in as much as you can inherit baggage left over by past regimes that you had ZERO to do with but the reality is that is still in the franchises head and sometimes takes who knows what to finally get over it.

    GO HAWKS!!!


    The Seahawks got over a super bowl loss in ten years. Patriots got over 2 losses in 4 years.


    Nobody has forgot the Bettis Bowl, it just was one upped by the Bevell Bowl.


    We are still talking about the players right?

    Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.

    It’s not like these guys are walking up and down radio row asking for a hot mic to spill their guts. They are being asked. If Manning was there someone would bring up 43-8. I’m sure Ryan has fielded a question or two about 28-3.


    Having played on Championship teams if your beat by a better player or team you hate it, you don't like it but it makes the fire burn hotter to come back and do it the next time. When your beat by your own coaches because they don't have the faith and or confidence in you to do what you do best and take away that moment then it's a lot harder, you were not able to give it your best shot due to not being given the opportunity.

    If that play would have succeeded Bevell would have been given a nod for a awesome and gutsy play call instead of Lynch getting credit for willing us to a win and the O line taking control of the line of scrimmage in the biggest moment which is one option or Wilson throwing it to Lynch on the back side where he was wide open on that play as well.

    The real issue with the players is that Bevell called a play that didn't use his best options, that lack of trust is the biggest issue not that it was a pass.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.


    Not me. I want players on my team to play with fire and feelings. I don't want them just playing for the paycheck and being 'Whatever' regardless if they win or lose. Never forget and you might not repeat the mistake. Goes for the coaches too.
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    “I don’t think many guys on the team are really that upset about the play-call. Maybe in the moment of. And I said this a few times this weekend, I would say that 95 percent of the offensive players are really going to miss Darrell Bevell,” Willson said. “I thought personally – this is me personally talking now – I thought he was a phenomenal play caller and I thought that this year we let him down. That’s just the bottom line. I’m going to miss Bev. And you look at some of the things he was able to accomplish here, I mean, he did an unbelievable job and we were just inconsistent. It always happens, where some guys get the blame and I guess they’re looking for some fresh faces, I don’t know. But I do feel personally responsible, as a player on that offense, that Darrell Bevell is no longer here. And I think that whoever gets Darrell Bevell is going to get a great coach, and I think if you talk to anybody on our offense they would agree with that statement.”


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    It was always cable more then DB. Kind of hard to do run plays when your o line coach can't coach.

    LOL C'mon man, everybody knows that Darryl Bevell was a magician, he could turn Tom Cables O-Line "Pigs Ears" into "Silk Purses", and besides, Marshawn Lynch didn't need no stinkin' O-Line to help him punch the ball in from there :lol:
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  • Uncle Si wrote:If that was apples and oranges then what was comparing it to the 1910s Red Sox?


    I must have missed something, I don't see any reference to "the 1910s Red Sox."
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    HawkRiderFan wrote:I figure a room full of Seahawk fans is a safe place for me to unload on something else that really gets me angry about that play....other than the obvious.
    I give the Patriots and coaches all the credit for being prepared for that play and their preparation in general. But the over-the-top praise drives me nuts. Remember how the Pats didn't call timeout after Lynch's run leading up that play. I've actually heard people calling that a brilliant move by Billicheck that manipulated Pete into throwing the ball. Give me a freaking break. If the Hawks score on that play, everyone is questioning why the Pats didn't use a timeout to give Brady more time to come back and tie the game.
    There is no reason to call that a brilliant move. Rant off!


    A time out is what was supposed to happen and almost any coach in the world would have called one. Belichick didnt though and our coach panicked. I truly dont think Pete knew what to do. It was a great move by Belichick.


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    Uncle Si wrote:Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.


    Not me. I want players on my team to play with fire and feelings. I don't want them just playing for the paycheck and being 'Whatever' regardless if they win or lose. Never forget and you might not repeat the mistake. Goes for the coaches too.


    That makes no sense and is opposite of what I’m saying.

    You want sniveling, whiny players who can’t bounce back from adversity?
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    Uncle Si wrote:If that was apples and oranges then what was comparing it to the 1910s Red Sox?


    I must have missed something, I don't see any reference to "the 1910s Red Sox."


    It’s not that far up the thread.

    Also, trying to nit pick all the variables of a loss as an excuse gives every team that loses an excuse.
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    Uncle Si wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    The Seahawks got over a super bowl loss in ten years. Patriots got over 2 losses in 4 years.


    Nobody has forgot the Bettis Bowl, it just was one upped by the Bevell Bowl.


    We are still talking about the players right?

    Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.

    It’s not like these guys are walking up and down radio row asking for a hot mic to spill their guts. They are being asked. If Manning was there someone would bring up 43-8. I’m sure Ryan has fielded a question or two about 28-3.


    Having played on Championship teams if your beat by a better player or team you hate it, you don't like it but it makes the fire burn hotter to come back and do it the next time. When your beat by your own coaches because they don't have the faith and or confidence in you to do what you do best and take away that moment then it's a lot harder, you were not able to give it your best shot due to not being given the opportunity.

    If that play would have succeeded Bevell would have been given a nod for a awesome and gutsy play call instead of Lynch getting credit for willing us to a win and the O line taking control of the line of scrimmage in the biggest moment which is one option or Wilson throwing it to Lynch on the back side where he was wide open on that play as well.

    The real issue with the players is that Bevell called a play that didn't use his best options, that lack of trust is the biggest issue not that it was a pass.


    I don’t disagree. But the impact on how they approach their profession should be negligible. Also, any player worth the money they’re paid should be examining the game to its most minute detail and could’ve found dozens of plays that could’ve gone a different way, including the positive changes the offense made in the second half and the drop in play by the D.

    Putting it all on one play is contrary to how they prepare.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Nobody has forgot the Bettis Bowl, it just was one upped by the Bevell Bowl.


    We are still talking about the players right?

    Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.

    It’s not like these guys are walking up and down radio row asking for a hot mic to spill their guts. They are being asked. If Manning was there someone would bring up 43-8. I’m sure Ryan has fielded a question or two about 28-3.


    Having played on Championship teams if your beat by a better player or team you hate it, you don't like it but it makes the fire burn hotter to come back and do it the next time. When your beat by your own coaches because they don't have the faith and or confidence in you to do what you do best and take away that moment then it's a lot harder, you were not able to give it your best shot due to not being given the opportunity.

    If that play would have succeeded Bevell would have been given a nod for a awesome and gutsy play call instead of Lynch getting credit for willing us to a win and the O line taking control of the line of scrimmage in the biggest moment which is one option or Wilson throwing it to Lynch on the back side where he was wide open on that play as well.

    The real issue with the players is that Bevell called a play that didn't use his best options, that lack of trust is the biggest issue not that it was a pass.


    I don’t disagree. But the impact on how they approach their profession should be negligible. Also, any player worth the money they’re paid should be examining the game to its most minute detail and could’ve found dozens of plays that could’ve gone a different way, including the positive changes the offense made in the second half and the drop in play by the D.

    Putting it all on one play is contrary to how they prepare.


    But the coach that didn't trust your best players than throws the guy that should not have had the ball thrown to him under the bus in a post game interview, to the players that's a chicken shit cop out move, especially when the best were not given a chance to win or lose in that situation. Adding insult to that the guy is back the next season like nothing happened. That's hard to swallow at any level of being human let alone a player in the NFL.
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  • chris98251 wrote:But the coach that didn't trust your best players than throws the guy that should not have had the ball thrown to him under the bus in a post game interview, to the players that's a chicken shit cop out move, especially when the best were not given a chance to win or lose in that situation. Adding insult to that the guy is back the next season like nothing happened. That's hard to swallow at any level of being human let alone a player in the NFL.


    I agree, I can't think of a better way to make a bad situation worse. Whether a play is a good play or not can only be judged within the context of each situation. At that time, in that situation, and with that much on the line? That's why it will forever be known as the worst play call in the entire history of the Super Bowl.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    We are still talking about the players right?

    Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.

    It’s not like these guys are walking up and down radio row asking for a hot mic to spill their guts. They are being asked. If Manning was there someone would bring up 43-8. I’m sure Ryan has fielded a question or two about 28-3.


    Having played on Championship teams if your beat by a better player or team you hate it, you don't like it but it makes the fire burn hotter to come back and do it the next time. When your beat by your own coaches because they don't have the faith and or confidence in you to do what you do best and take away that moment then it's a lot harder, you were not able to give it your best shot due to not being given the opportunity.

    If that play would have succeeded Bevell would have been given a nod for a awesome and gutsy play call instead of Lynch getting credit for willing us to a win and the O line taking control of the line of scrimmage in the biggest moment which is one option or Wilson throwing it to Lynch on the back side where he was wide open on that play as well.

    The real issue with the players is that Bevell called a play that didn't use his best options, that lack of trust is the biggest issue not that it was a pass.


    I don’t disagree. But the impact on how they approach their profession should be negligible. Also, any player worth the money they’re paid should be examining the game to its most minute detail and could’ve found dozens of plays that could’ve gone a different way, including the positive changes the offense made in the second half and the drop in play by the D.

    Putting it all on one play is contrary to how they prepare.


    But the coach that didn't trust your best players than throws the guy that should not have had the ball thrown to him under the bus in a post game interview, to the players that's a chicken shit cop out move, especially when the best were not given a chance to win or lose in that situation. Adding insult to that the guy is back the next season like nothing happened. That's hard to swallow at any level of being human let alone a player in the NFL.


    On one play. Ignoring everything else he had done previously. Hell.. Brady threw a goaline INT earlier in the same game. Good players and coaches look at it in its entirety. Or should..

    What eve has done since was worth firing. Not that play, as bad as it was.
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    Uncle Si wrote:Who cares if fans get over it. The idea professional athletes paid millions to compete can’t get over losses of any magnitude is contrary to what I’d want from them.


    Not me. I want players on my team to play with fire and feelings. I don't want them just playing for the paycheck and being 'Whatever' regardless if they win or lose. Never forget and you might not repeat the mistake. Goes for the coaches too.


    That makes no sense and is opposite of what I’m saying.

    You want sniveling, whiny players who can’t bounce back from adversity?

    I agree Si..
    Learn from it and move on,that play is done and gone from me.
    You can't change it and multiple things went wrong in it..
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  • The players have every right to be angry about that play. The Seahawks went from dynasty status to worst-play-call-in-history status in one single play. The players worked hard to establish their legacy and the coaches blew it, not them. Listen to Willson, "it was the worst day in my life." He has a right to his feelings AND to freely express them, that is what makes this organization so great. Does that make him a whiner? Does that affect his play to this day? Absolutely not, these are professional athletes, they are motivated by their competitive nature not their vindictiveness.

    Lots of people in all walks of life have things happen in life that have affected them greatly, they shouldn't have to endure being called whiners or that they should just "get over it," venting is a very human process.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:56 am
  • How many threads do we need about one play? Get over it already.
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:00 am
  • DomeHawk wrote:The players have every right to be angry about that play. The Seahawks went from dynasty status to worst-play-call-in-history status in one single play. The players worked hard to establish their legacy and the coaches blew it, not them. Listen to Willson, "it was the worst day in my life." He has a right to his feelings AND to freely express them, that is what makes this organization so great. Does that make him a whiner? Does that affect his play to this day? Absolutely not, these are professional athletes, they are motivated by their competitive nature not their vindictiveness.

    Lots of people in all walks of life have things happen in life that have affected them greatly, they shouldn't have to endure being called whiners or that they should just "get over it," venting is a very human process.


    Are you purposefully confusing the argument? Because it’s about how not firing coaches has somehow doomed this team the last three years. They should be angry about their crap defensive performance in the 2nd half. Or how poorly they played offense in the first. Or Wilson for the throw.

    It makes no sense to point to one play as the ultimate decider in a game with a hundred plays and weeks of preparation.

    None. It’s contrary to the whole spirit of team
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Re: Luke Willson talking about THAT play
Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:13 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    DomeHawk wrote:The players have every right to be angry about that play. The Seahawks went from dynasty status to worst-play-call-in-history status in one single play. The players worked hard to establish their legacy and the coaches blew it, not them. Listen to Willson, "it was the worst day in my life." He has a right to his feelings AND to freely express them, that is what makes this organization so great. Does that make him a whiner? Does that affect his play to this day? Absolutely not, these are professional athletes, they are motivated by their competitive nature not their vindictiveness.

    Lots of people in all walks of life have things happen in life that have affected them greatly, they shouldn't have to endure being called whiners or that they should just "get over it," venting is a very human process.


    Are you purposefully confusing the argument? Because it’s about how not firing coaches has somehow doomed this team the last three years. They should be angry about their crap defensive performance in the 2nd half. Or how poorly they played offense in the first. Or Wilson for the throw.

    It makes no sense to point to one play as the ultimate decider in a game with a hundred plays and weeks of preparation.

    None. It’s contrary to the whole spirit of team

    Yep, Even the dude that was asking Luke Willson about "The Play" either A.> a non '12' that was trying to get under the skin of Seahawks fans, or B.> is amongst those fans that are fixated on the past, and don't know how to let shit go.
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