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    Of course it's easy to second guess but I think this reformation will determine their legacy.

    However it turns out, it's going to be interesting.
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  • BullHawk33 wrote:Forgive me if I'm not all that excited for a 5th... The Eagles won the SB so it is the last pick in the 5th round. Very different from a middle pick. It was a salary cap dump, that is all we really got out of it.

    It’s a “salary CAP dump” over the next 3 seasons as Original said, and quite significant in 2019, 2020.
    I get kind of being upset over the return especially if the Cheatriots story is true, but this trade gives Seattle more cap room in 2019 and 2020.
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  • DJ_CJ wrote:
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    DJ_CJ wrote:Must be a high grade on this UDFA Wr with not accepting a 3rd and 5th from NE, head scratcher at best


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    Not a 3rd and a 5th.


    Per Rapoport that is what NE offered... also heard from Scef and Fox Sports on radio on way home from work... maybe not the complete offer just what heard from multiple places


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    Can't find where he originally reported that, but if he did he corrected it. 3rd for Bennett and a 5th.
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    Sorry, but have you seen the Super Bowl Champs D-Line? Michael Bennett and Fletcher Cox on the inside Derek Barnett and Brandon Graham on the outside. Yikes.

    And all we got is pretty much an early sixth round pick. Granted MB hasn’t performed as well as of recent, still doesn’t change the fact he’s only 32 and can turn it around again.


    This isn't about team talent. This is about getting rid of those not all in or not able to let go of the past.


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  • King Dog wrote:If we trade Wilson and that 5th, I wonder if Schneids will be able to work his magic and get a 3rd in return

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  • Wonder if the move is to make a Thomas signing easier, with the cap relief from Bennett's contract over the upcoming years. If I read it right, that's approx 6mil in 2019 and 7mil in 2020.
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  • Bennett is a solid football player, but he's a distraction. Come to work to play football. That's your job. If you want to stand for a cause, or fundraise... do it on your time off. I have a hunch he's starting to catch the injury bug. He may be solid at producing sacks. But lets look at total tackles. If we want to call him elite. Let's compare him to elite. He has less than HALF the total tackles Tez did at this stage in his career.

    I'm sure there's a better D-end out there than Bennett, that provides fewer distractions.
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  • lobohawk wrote:Wonder if the move is to make a Thomas signing easier, with the cap relief from Bennett's contract over the upcoming years. If I read it right, that's approx 6mil in 2019 and 7mil in 2020.


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  • I've been trying to avoid overreacting, but I keep going back to these 3 questions:

    1. Does losing MB make the team better now? No

    2. Was the trade a "good value"? No

    3. Will the future cap savings be used to make the team better? Guess we'll see.

    I'm not confident about #3. From 2013/14 to now, have any of the players added been a positive addition over the ones they replaced?

    It's like we had a Ferrari, but it started getting older and expensive to maintain, but for some reason all we can get to replace it with is a Ford Taurus. I know that's a skewed view, but it is frustrating to watch the churn happen.
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  • Anyone who has been here for a while has seen I was most upset about 3 (4) personnel moves:

    1 - Cary Williams signed

    2 - Trading for Harvin

    3 - Releasing Golden Tate

    4 - Unger being traded.

    In every instance, I was told to give the personnel move a chance. To trust the FO.

    In every instance it was clear there was going to be a massive impact that would resonate for a while and create a huge weakness.

    #1 - destroyed our secondary on one side until we fixed it

    #2 - brought us a malcontent that would cause us to lose Golden Tate

    #3 - Essentially cost us a SB win if not another trip to the SB

    #4 - Destroy our OL and gut our run game.

    I have the same bad feeling about this one. This is going to end badly for us. Absolutely going to be #5 on the list of dumb moves by this FO that destroyed our playoff hopes.
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  • It sucks how little returns players are getting in trades, but this shouldn't be a surprise.
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  • It isn't the return on trades that I am upset about.

    It is the giant weakness in the DL this creates.

    People talking about how Nazir Jones, Reed and Clark are going to pick up the slack are whistling past the graveyard.

    We needed a better pass rush, not a weaker one. The combination of a weaker pass rush and dismantling our secondary? After spending this long just to try to figure out who the hell we could even put opposite Sherman in the first place?

    The weaker pass rush will put pressure on our secondary which will already be nowhere near as effective.

    It is going to be a tall order and Carroll is not a good enough coach to figure out how to make this team into an offensive juggernaut to offset the dismantling of the defense. He is a cheerleader/motivation guy not a tactician. Is our OC retread going to suddenly turn into a great OC and make our offense into the new Steelers West? Doubtful.

    We are going to find ourselves with an average defense and a (hopefully) average offense. I don't see Carroll making any gameday coaching moves that will be able to offset that. I doubt he even has the capacity to do so.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:
    We are going to find ourselves with an average defense and a (hopefully) average offense. I don't see Carroll making any gameday coaching moves that will be able to offset that. I doubt he even has the capacity to do so.


    We already were an average defense WITH all these guys, #22 by the end of the year.

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    Do you want 2-3 more years of this? Or do you want to try and rebuild. Because you can't both pay these salaries soaking up vital cap space with often injured stars on the downhill of their career AND rebuild............because you have no draft capital or cap space to do so,

    Rip it all down, save the cap, get some draft picks and see if you can do what you did before. It's as simple as that, Pete and John will either rebuild, or they'll fail. It's on them now.
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  • I believe that this defense would have been able to get us in the playoffs and make noise in it, if we could just quit sanding them down for 3 quarters a game.

    If we could field an offense that could score and move the sticks reliably the WHOLE game, I believe our stars would be less worn down and be able to show flashes of that great defense they once were. One reason we were so average on defense was because we were constantly pinning our defense up against the wall.

    Then we could have torn the defense down because the team will have been reconfigured to win with the offense.

    That meant bringing in someone that could use Wilson well. Which we did not do. So you are probably right that the die was cast then when we hired some retread OC instead of someone that worked well with a great passing offense. This team will either find a way to win by passing the ball or it won't win. Because we either have to win with Wilson or lose a lot more.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:I believe that this defense would have been able to get us in the playoffs and make noise in it, if we could just quit sanding them down for 3 quarters a game.

    If we could field an offense that could score and move the sticks reliably the WHOLE game, I believe our stars would be less worn down and be able to show flashes of that great defense they once were. One reason we were so average on defense was because we were constantly pinning our defense up against the wall.

    Then we could have torn the defense down because the team will have been reconfigured to win with the offense.

    That meant bringing in someone that could use Wilson well. Which we did not do. So you are probably right that the die was cast then when we hired some retread OC instead of someone that worked well with a great passing offense. This team will either find a way to win by passing the ball or it won't win. Because we either have to win with Wilson or lose a lot more.


    If the championship window was still open, you're right, you keep veterans that can still contribute.

    But it's not, Pete and John are not about maybe having a chance to limp into the playoffs and maybe "making some noise" for one game before getting destroyed on the road, or seeing all these overpriced stars continue to get hurt down the stretch when we need them the most.

    I don't like all this either, but if you're going to turn over the staff and roster and rebuild? Then do it right, clear as much cap as you can and accumulate as many picks as you can.

    You certainly don't keep 33 year old expensive players who aren't going to be here when the rebuild is hopefully successful in 2-3 years.
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  • Our greatest resource right now is our QB.

    But we have a coach that has shown, over time, that his system does not leverage that resource effectively.

    I don't think he is elite but he does a lot of things that you do not expect even great QBs to do well, even when he isn't tremendous at some of the things you would expect a great QB to well.

    He is, your best horse. Now if you want to win with that horse?

    You have 2 choices:

    1. Keep the coach but surround him with people that can do that.

    2. Remove the coach and bring in someone that can focus on using a great and difficult to defend offense to win.

    We did neither. We brought in a retread OC and we kept our coach who has really underperformed in every year since the SB loss. A coach with a demonstrated proclivity to the defense and a history of not really taking advantage of his offense but for those years with Norm Chow.

    With a defensive minded coach on a team that needs to be offense oriented, how do you think that will end?
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:
    1. Keep the coach but surround him with people that can do that.


    That is what Allen did the first time when he hired Pete, what's changed?

    Pete wanted total control to come here, and Allen gave it to him. So if you're Allen what's changed that you no longer trust Pete to do it again?

    Pete's in charge, and he and Schneider have one more chance to show that they can rebuild another SB contender. So that's what they're doing, turning over the staff and roster.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:But it's not, Pete and John are not about maybe having a chance to limp into the playoffs and maybe "making some noise" for one game before getting destroyed on the road


    Mischaracterization of 2017.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:But it's not, Pete and John are not about maybe having a chance to limp into the playoffs and maybe "making some noise" for one game before getting destroyed on the road


    Mischaracterization of 2017.


    Right, 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

    So not sure what you're talking about "making some noise" in the playoffs. That hasn't happened with that defense in three years..........and wasn't going to happen.
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  • Patriots offer came AFTER the Philadelphia deal was done.

    No news here, just somebody trying to get clicks.
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  • Regarding the cheaters offering a 3rd, it dawned on me that Bennett might not have wanted to go to the NE for political reasons, and the Seahawks might have done him a favor (don't think the Seahawks like the cheaters ownership much either).
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    This is extremely common reasoning when those patterns start to show over 30. Know what else is also common with posters of a particular sentiment?


    That we're generally correct in our assessment? But hey...enlighten me
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  • SNDavidson wrote:Regarding the cheaters offering a 3rd, it dawned on me that Bennett might not have wanted to go to the NE for political reasons, and the Seahawks might have done him a favor (don't think the Seahawks like the cheaters ownership much either).


    And conversely, the Eagles now have to find a way to work with MB... it may not work out as well for them as they'd like.
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  • I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?
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  • Joyodongo wrote:I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?


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  • Joyodongo wrote:I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?


    I was definitely thinking about that, but the difference with Richardson was that he's much younger than Bennett. Still, that looks like an overpay in hindsight. JLane 's failed physical screwed us in the Brown trade, it would've been great otherwise IMO.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    Joyodongo wrote:I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?


    The rest of the league plays liars poker while were playing go fish.


    Sorry Chris, english is not my native language and I don't get the meaning of your phrase. Could you please explain it to me in "plain" english? Thanks :)
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  • Joyodongo wrote:
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    Joyodongo wrote:I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?


    The rest of the league plays liars poker while were playing go fish.


    Sorry Chris, english is not my native language and I don't get the meaning of your phrase. Could you please explain it to me in "plain" english? Thanks :)


    He's saying other teams drive the prices up on players by showing 'fake' interest :2thumbs:
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  • Man.

    I'm trying to see the positive. But I don't. Bennett was a great player. He may be on the down swing, but I think Philly will be able to keep him fresh, and he's going to have a great season, and we will regret this move.
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  • original poster wrote:
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    Joyodongo wrote:I just have one question: if the NFL market dictates sell-cheap (Bennett, Peters, Ogletree ...), why do we buy-expensive (Richardson, Brown) ?


    The rest of the league plays liars poker while were playing go fish.


    Sorry Chris, english is not my native language and I don't get the meaning of your phrase. Could you please explain it to me in "plain" english? Thanks :)


    He's saying other teams drive the prices up on players by showing 'fake' interest :2thumbs:


    Got it, thanks !
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  • Bennett played 900 snaps this season. The average Philly DL starter played 600 or so.

    And he actually had one of his better seasons, with a hurt foot.

    Any assessment this is not a negative for us and a positive for them is just spin.

    He is one of the most productive and at time dominant DL players in the league. He can play and get pressure from both the DT and DE position.

    And he is good enough to start on a team that has one of the better if the best DL in football.

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  • too bad they didn't hold out for nelson agholor instead ...
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    1. Keep the coach but surround him with people that can do that.


    That is what Allen did the first time when he hired Pete, what's changed?

    Pete wanted total control to come here, and Allen gave it to him. So if you're Allen what's changed that you no longer trust Pete to do it again?

    Pete's in charge, and he and Schneider have one more chance to show that they can rebuild another SB contender. So that's what they're doing, turning over the staff and roster.

    Ok, I'll bite with an unpopular assessment. Holmgren failed in Seattle and only came close after his personnel authority was greatly reduced. BB is the only "success" as coach and GM and the main reason he hasn't won more is because he hasn't really been that good at scouting players before they've been in the league. College scouting takes too much time and effort to do it well while also winning in the present and eliminating back-and-forth discourse in college scouting makes it even more difficult.
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  • He's going to be a hard guy to replace. But check out Rasheem Green's tape. We might even be able to trade down, add a pick or two, and get Green at the bottom of the first or top of the second.
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  • ^ ^ Just makes that 5th round pick and $2million saved all that much rosier.
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  • We traded him for a fifth round pick and a ham sandwich AND we gave up a seventh too?
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  • brimsalabim wrote:We traded him for a fifth round pick and a ham sandwich AND we gave up a seventh too?

    Yeah that 7th might come back to bite this FO

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  • The point is that we gave away a talent and got nothing in return. In fact we had to pay someone to take him off our hands? I understand wanting to move on from the destractions but we should get some value in return. Our office is too accomidating.
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  • Given that the Eagles will now be paying the roster bonus due March 18th and have assumed the $20.65 million in scheduled contract payments, it's the Eagles that are picking up the tab.

    The reset has begun. It's Clint Hurtt's defensive line now. A fresh canvas to work with.
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  • brimsalabim wrote:The point is that we gave away a talent and got nothing in return. In fact we had to pay someone to take him off our hands? I understand wanting to move on from the destractions but we should get some value in return. Our office is too accomidating.


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  • I'm thinking it doesn't look like a bad trade at all now, all things considered.
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