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    Doesn't seem like enough and at the same time more than the Cowboys might be willing to part with. I would hate to see Earl go and I think it would be bad for the team, but I admit I admire to an extent if the team tries to help get him to his desired destination.

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  • Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    I'm glad he hasn't, because I have always seen Earl as the centerpiece of Pete's defense. Wagner has definitely stepped right in and has made himself just as valuable. We keep them and we can continue to have a good defense (although not as good as we've become accustomed to) while we bring in younger, less expensive players around them.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    Jerry is 75 and even though he seems to be in good health there are no guarantees. I'm guessing he stretches out and grabs for the ring.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    Cowboys don't have the money to make room for Earl even if they were willing to give up the draft pick. They had to just restructure Frederick today and use him like a credit card just to take care of their own guys.
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  • Trading Earl means the defense has to change its scheme, no? His sideline to sideline speed and ability to read QB's is what prevents big plays and forces teams to win with check downs.

    I would love to have a defensive spine of Suh, Wagner, Earl with other talented pieces on the sides.
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  • Having Earl run to the Dallas coaches and say come and get me, plus him threatening to hold out are some major concerns.
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  • Earls awesome and you can’t deny how much he does for the team defensively but if he doesn’t wanna be here then he’s as good as gone and nobody knows better than Pete/Schneider if he’s committed or wanting out. I’d rather get a good return on him now than nothing a year from now
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  • Kinger95 wrote:Earls awesome and you can’t deny how much he does for the team defensively but if he doesn’t wanna be here then he’s as good as gone and nobody knows better than Pete/Schneider if he’s committed or wanting out. I’d rather get a good return on him now than nothing a year from now


    Earl never once said he doesn't want to be here. What he said is that he wants a new contract as has been the history here...we've extended players in the last year of their deals, so it's not like he's asking to set some new precedent like Kam did with his holdout. His words to the cowboys have been shown to be that if he doesn't re-sign here, that is where he would like to play. It makes sense as it's near his hometown. Your post makes it sound as if there's only two options...1) Trade Earl or 2) let him play out his contract and leave for no compensation. That's just insane to me. The third option (which goes unmentioned in your post) is to renegotiate his deal and extend him. This is what he wants, and what we should want with his age (still under 30) and his abilities. It just makes sense.
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  • mike fisher the guy that tweeted this and other nonsense last night got shut down.. we never shopped him to dallas take what that guy says with a pinch of salt. dallas homer
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  • Trading Earl and getting back to back picks in the first would alleviate the cap and give them the ability to address the o-line and add an elite RB in the draft. Also, ...... the cap space could free up room to bring back Richardson and bring in Suh. Thus, negating the need for having the greatest safety in the NFL for the last decade... possibly.
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  • kidhawk wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    I'm glad he hasn't, because I have always seen Earl as the centerpiece of Pete's defense. Wagner has definitely stepped right in and has made himself just as valuable. We keep them and we can continue to have a good defense (although not as good as we've become accustomed to) while we bring in younger, less expensive players around them.


    Not in today's pass happy league where WR's have by far the upper hand. You can barely touch receivers anymore without being called. Front 7 is where its at going forward imo. If you can't get to the QB you're doomed. Pretty much sums up the 2017 Seahawks.
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    Kinger95 wrote:Earls awesome and you can’t deny how much he does for the team defensively but if he doesn’t wanna be here then he’s as good as gone and nobody knows better than Pete/Schneider if he’s committed or wanting out. I’d rather get a good return on him now than nothing a year from now


    Earl never once said he doesn't want to be here. What he said is that he wants a new contract as has been the history here...we've extended players in the last year of their deals, so it's not like he's asking to set some new precedent like Kam did with his holdout. His words to the cowboys have been shown to be that if he doesn't re-sign here, that is where he would like to play. It makes sense as it's near his hometown. Your post makes it sound as if there's only two options...1) Trade Earl or 2) let him play out his contract and leave for no compensation. That's just insane to me. The third option (which goes unmentioned in your post) is to renegotiate his deal and extend him. This is what he wants, and what we should want with his age (still under 30) and his abilities. It just makes sense.


    100% agree. If u can extend him in a deal that works and makes sense for the hawks that’s your option #1, at what point do you trade him if you can’t come to an agreement. If he gets injured next season we’re essentially gonna see him walk for a comp pick likely.
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  • This rumor originated from somebody at a Dallas sports radio station and is exactly the sort of plausible thing that can be pulled out of thin air to add content to a radio show. On the other hand, Ian Rapoport tweeted that this rumor was false and his sources are equally dubious as he has been completely wrong on just about everything Seahawks related lately, from us keeping our coaches to keeping Sherman. So who knows, but I'm in the "everything about this is made up" camp for now.
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  • RCATES wrote:
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    MontanaHawk05 wrote:Pretty telling where the Seahawks think the cornerstone of this defense has lain all along.

    Hell, if I'm Jerruh, I'd give up a first.


    I'm glad he hasn't, because I have always seen Earl as the centerpiece of Pete's defense. Wagner has definitely stepped right in and has made himself just as valuable. We keep them and we can continue to have a good defense (although not as good as we've become accustomed to) while we bring in younger, less expensive players around them.


    Not in today's pass happy league where WR's have by far the upper hand. You can barely touch receivers anymore without being called. Front 7 is where its at going forward imo. If you can't get to the QB you're doomed. Pretty much sums up the 2017 Seahawks.


    It's a combination factor. You need a back end that can cover long enough for the front line guys to get to the quarterback, and you need front line guys that can get to the quarterback faster than the back end guys lose their coverage. One without the other won't work. If the front guys don't get their in time, the best DB's will lose coverage eventually and if the DB's can't cover well, the QB will make quick passes all day long and you'll never get to them.
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  • Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.
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  • toffee wrote:Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.


    If you can get them to overpay, they’ve got tons of picks and want to win this season. If you could get one of pick 33/35 and pick 64 even if you threw in a 5th that’d be good for us to restock and we currently have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round so you figure we’re gonna be looking for some
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  • Not that it was a huge deal or anything, but after what he did in Dallas, it would be perfect to trade him to Cleveland for a nice return. I mean, $ seems to be the top motivation for him right now, and that's fine. Nothing new in the NFL.
    But if Cleveland offered more, heck yes.
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  • Kinger95 wrote:Earls awesome and you can’t deny how much he does for the team defensively but if he doesn’t wanna be here then he’s as good as gone and nobody knows better than Pete/Schneider if he’s committed or wanting out. I’d rather get a good return on him now than nothing a year from now


    IF the Seahawks are dangling Earl Thomas for a 1st round pick from the Boycows, Thomas gets to find out IF they value him enough to give up a first for him, (this is where the rubber meets the road) because if the answer is NO, then he'd likely have to take that into consideration when structuring up a contract extension with the Seahawks.
    Seahawks are showing ET max respect by offering him a shot at playing for his boyhood Dream Team, now he needs to show some respect to Pete & John in return if the Cowboys turn him down.
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  • I guess it's just a part of the game I don't understand but I find it tough seeing how a guy can get offered on the market and if no trade happens everything is great the next year and contract extension talks even happen.

    In Sherman's case it didn't seem to matter in that his play on the field seemed fine last year until the injury. On the other hand Malcolm Butler was said to not have had a great year and he was in trade rumours last off-season with a year to go on his deal.
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  • HawkRiderFan wrote:I guess it's just a part of the game I don't understand but I find it tough seeing how a guy can get offered on the market and if no trade happens everything is great the next year and contract extension talks even happen.

    In Sherman's case it didn't seem to matter in that his play on the field seemed fine last year until the injury. On the other hand Malcolm Butler was said to not have had a great year and he was in trade rumours last off-season with a year to go on his deal.


    Because there is a discussion doesn't mean that he's being offered on the market. Being offered means they are actively seeking a trade. From what I've heard, the cowboys asked us what we'd want for Earl and then found our price to be too high. If you are actively marketing a guy, you don't put too high of a price on his head. Everything here just sounds like a team making an inquiry and us listening, but not seriously looking to get rid of the player.

    John has been on record numerous times saying he'll listen to all offers for anyone. That doesn't mean they are looking to trade everyone.
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  • kidhawk wrote:Because there is a discussion doesn't mean that he's being offered on the market. Being offered means they are actively seeking a trade. From what I've heard, the cowboys asked us what we'd want for Earl and then found our price to be too high. If you are actively marketing a guy, you don't put too high of a price on his head. Everything here just sounds like a team making an inquiry and us listening, but not seriously looking to get rid of the player.

    John has been on record numerous times saying he'll listen to all offers for anyone. That doesn't mean they are looking to trade everyone.

    This is consistent with what I have heard. Dallas called us to kick the tyres about Thomas, and we set the sticker price too high for them to be interested. That's the entirety of the interaction.

    Anything apart from that is conjecture.
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  • Kinger95 wrote:
    toffee wrote:Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.


    If you can get them to overpay, they’ve got tons of picks and want to win this season. If you could get one of pick 33/35 and pick 64 even if you threw in a 5th that’d be good for us to restock and we currently have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round so you figure we’re gonna be looking for some


    If we could net from the Browns three 2nd Rounders, two early and one late then no kidding you pull the trigger. That would be huge in a draft that is considered to heavily favor 2nd-3rd round talent.

    Shoot, Seattle could trade down from 18 to 25, maybe get ourselves a third in that process.
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  • Thanks guys, even before what happened with Sherman, I have always been of the belief (I know I am not alone) that ET was the key to our secondary. After all this, trading him would have me in the fetal position.
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  • Kinger95 wrote:
    toffee wrote:Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.


    If you can get them to overpay, they’ve got tons of picks and want to win this season. If you could get one of pick 33/35 and pick 64 even if you threw in a 5th that’d be good for us to restock and we currently have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round so you figure we’re gonna be looking for some


    Our able GM should be in the phone to Cleveland, Browns should be the perfect ending for our Earl. Somewhere he could remember the good ole days in Seattle.

    Cleveland is the team that could offer multiple picks l.


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  • Kinger95 wrote:
    toffee wrote:Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.


    If you can get them to overpay, they’ve got tons of picks and want to win this season. If you could get one of pick 33/35 and pick 64 even if you threw in a 5th that’d be good for us to restock and we currently have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round so you figure we’re gonna be looking for some


    Pick 18 and Earl for pick #4 is a fair trade for both teams. We could then use pick #4 to get the Bills #12th overall this year and their first round pick next year.
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  • Steve2222 wrote:
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    toffee wrote:Cleveland really really need a safety, they have picks and cap? May be Earl to Browns will give us the best return.


    If you can get them to overpay, they’ve got tons of picks and want to win this season. If you could get one of pick 33/35 and pick 64 even if you threw in a 5th that’d be good for us to restock and we currently have no picks in the 2nd or 3rd round so you figure we’re gonna be looking for some


    Pick 18 and Earl for pick #4 is a fair trade for both teams. We could then use pick #4 to get the Bills #12th overall this year and their first round pick next year.


    Now that they have Hyde and don’t “need” Barkley there’s a good chance that if they don’t like Fitzpatrick at 4 earl could be the best way they can improve. Plus at 18 they could potentially still get a tackle to replace Thomas
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  • Trading earl to Cleveland will never happen. 1. Cleveland wouldn’t make a trade unless they had a long term deal in place. 2. Earl would not sign a long term deal with Cleveland.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Trading earl to Cleveland will never happen. 1. Cleveland wouldn’t make a trade unless they had a long term deal in place. 2. Earl would not sign a long term deal with Cleveland.


    - Money talks. Cleveland has a ton of money
    - Cleveland’s building a competitive roster so there could be incentive to stay
    - There’s a thing called a franchise tag.
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  • Trade him to the Browns for a 1.2 and a 3
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  • These are Brown's picks:

    1st Round: No. 1 overall
    1st Round: No. 4 overall
    2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round)
    2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round)
    2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round)
    3rd Round: No. 65 overall (1st in round)
    4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round)
    4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round)
    5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round)
    5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round)
    6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round)
    7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round)

    Sacrificing couple picks for a sure fire HOF safety in his late prime is not unreasonable. Besides, when you are the Browns, you have to overpay to get guys.
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  • toffee wrote:These are Brown's picks:

    1st Round: No. 1 overall
    1st Round: No. 4 overall
    2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round)
    2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round)
    2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round)
    3rd Round: No. 65 overall (1st in round)
    4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round)
    4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round)
    5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round)
    5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round)
    6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round)
    7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round)

    Sacrificing couple picks for a sure fire HOF safety in his late prime is not unreasonable. Besides, when you are the Browns, you have to overpay to get guys.


    Just giving up the 4 for the 18th pick and ET is not overpaying lol

    They’d then have 3 first round draft picks and 3 second round draft picks
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    I’d do that in a heart beat
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  • He's my favorite player on the team, and I would do that w/out a doubt. A 1st and 3rd? Absolutely. He's going to want a massive contract that the team just can't afford as it is. And IF a bunch of teams are bidding for him, the Hawks hold the cards here. Earl doesn't have a say so in where he gets traded.
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  • Reading the replies on JLCs tweet. People do not appreciate how good ET is.
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  • take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?
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  • He's one of the best safeties of all time, and likely the best in football. If people don't see that, then they just don't get it. That being said, a guy who asked another team to come get him, and who wants a massive contract (if true) might not be in the cards to keep. I'll miss him more than any of the guys that have departed. But a 1st and 3rd rounder is apretty nice return.
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  • Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?


    At 4 you hope Barkley is there, if not you take Chubb or Nelson.
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  • A first and a 3rd . . . I'll believe it when I see it.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:A first and a 3rd . . . I'll believe it when I see it.



    all depends on the teams draft position, that is a pretty vague demand
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  • I love Earl. Been my favorite player on Defense since he was drafted.

    But, at this stage if you can get a 1st for him, you do it. His body has taken a ton of abuse in his career, he's in the last year of his deal, and he's already said he won't play unless he gets an extension.

    The extension will have to make him the highest-paid Safety of all time. Where Seattle is, they can't pay that.

    If the Hawks can get a good deal, they have to take it. I'd love for Earl to play out his contract and take a team friendly deal next year, but it's just not going to happen.
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  • drrew wrote:
    Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?


    At 4 you hope Barkley is there, if not you take Chubb or Nelson.


    It really doesn’t matter who our running back is when we have a horrible o line. Just like demarco Murray/Elliott or anyone really can run behind that Dallas o line
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  • Get it done.
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  • MODS, can you please merge the Earl Thomas threads?

    Also, can we lock the Suh/ASJ thread and create separate threads for each player?

    Board is a mess right now.
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  • He is gone. Hope Russ and the O can score at a elite level.
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  • Not a big fan of this move.. unless it comes with Zeke and a 2nd rounder.
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  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Not a big fan of this move.. unless it comes with Zeke and a 2nd rounder.


    lmao share whatever you're smoking please
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  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Not a big fan of this move.. unless it comes with Zeke and a 2nd rounder.

    Um, hell to the NO! Zeke might be playing in the Texas Penal league in less than 2 seasons at the rate he is going as he is dumber than a bag of hammers!

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