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  • man that alot of money makes me wonder about asj
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  • I bet that price includes incentives, and really only means we can excuse ourselves from him, after the first year.

    A good signing, especially looking at who is left on the street. Yikes. This allows Vannett to catch some balls, as well as work the Y, at times. Also, we could draft someone and let them battle it out with Swoopes in TC.

    Good signing...not flashy, but who cares, Dickson can block big time.
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  • Hopefully he'll be closer to a Zach Miller and help with blocking and the run game.
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  • true he can block.. those stats though :shock:
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  • What a garbage signing for virtually the same amount they could have landed ASJ for. Ohh and this move also cancels out the comp pick we would have received for #88. Smdh
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  • Not that excited about this move.
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Re: Dickson Signed
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  • Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:
    man that alot of money makes me wonder about asj


    What a dumbass move to pay that!! The guy never earned over $2M per season in his prime, and now at 30 they double that? :pukeface:
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  • You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!
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  • You guys are hilarious, why not wait to see the actual details of the contract before freaking out.
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  • Greenhell wrote:Hopefully he'll be closer to a Zach Miller and help with blocking and the run game.


    Zach Miller didn't have stone hands.
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Re: Dickson Signed
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:
    man that alot of money makes me wonder about asj


    What a dumbass move to pay that!! The guy never earned over $2M per season in his prime, and now at 30 they double that? :pukeface:



    14 million MAX value...

    probably unlikely he gets anywhere near that
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  • I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I was thinking close to minimum salary.
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  • original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:
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  • All depends on how the contract is written.

    My guess would be that the $14 Million would include $2-$3 million of incentives. Low year one base. Could cut after year one (thus the fully guaranteed year one salary).

    Lets wait for details before comparing this deal to the ASJ contract. Would have liked ASJ on team, but understand the reasoning on not signing him.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    But you don't know we've over paid.

    Nobody does.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    This front office is Mad. They started off so good to only shit the bed theses last 3 going on 4 years. Track record currently sitting at 20% good moves to 80% terrible. JS just needs to go at this point.
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  • Seahawks fans - "our run game sucks"

    - Seattle signs a blocking TE that can also catch -

    Seahawks fans - "Ed Dickson? Yuck!"
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  • original poster wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    But you don't know we've over paid.

    Nobody does.


    If he earns that $14M in 3 years or anywhere close I do.
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  • original poster wrote:Seahawks fans - "our run game sucks"

    - Seattle signs a blocking TE that can also catch -

    Seahawks fans - "Ed Dickson? Yuck!"


    I wished I shared this type of homerism. I'll be shocked if this team does better then 7-9 this year. Season ticket holder since 2009.
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  • I just looked up career stats on both ASJ and Dickson

    If you exclude last year then it isn’t like ASJ was catching a bunch of balls. So who did he play for last year - Jets. 50 receptions then but 10-20 before that per year

    Now go look at what Kearse did with the Jets last year....

    Point being - if you can’t recognize that the number of catches and receptions for a player and especially a TE is directly tied to coaching and system then you are missing something.

    Dickson’s blocking will be valued but he also averages 11.2 yards per reception consistently over his career which is usually right about what we need for a 1st down (you know after the false start penalty / holding and then 3 yard run).
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  • original poster wrote:Seahawks fans - "our run game sucks"

    - Seattle signs a blocking TE that can also catch -

    Seahawks fans - "Ed Dickson? Yuck!"


    Lol

    I like the signing, especially if we got Dickson for 3-4M a year. Good blocker, good athlete, good separation and hasn't had the chance to be a #1 TE since Baltimore.

    30 years old, but shouldn't have the wear on him that a 30 year old that's taken all the snaps for his team the past 3-4 years.
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  • We don’t even know the details yet, but folks are losing their minds. It is probably low guaranteed, heavily incentive laden. However carry on. I have pitchforks, and torches, for sale on Craigslist.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    But you don't know we've over paid.

    Nobody does.


    If he earns that $14M in 3 years or anywhere close I do.


    What an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

    If he gets his incentives that means he has outperformed his base contract and proved to be a very valuable signing.

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Re: Dickson Signed
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:58 am
  • RCATES wrote:What a garbage signing for virtually the same amount they could have landed ASJ for. Ohh and this move also cancels out the comp pick we would have received for #88. Smdh


    How would this cancel out the potential comp pick from the Jimmy Graham signing exactly?
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  • Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:You guys want to fix the run game?

    This will help. Massively.

    He is a very good blocker and hasn't missed a single game in 5 seasons.

    Great pick up!


    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    But you don't know we've over paid.

    Nobody does.


    If he earns that $14M in 3 years or anywhere close I do.


    If he earns all the incentives over the next three years, and remains on the roster, he was likely worth every penny

    This contract likely will be nothing more than a one year, $2 million dollar contract with two option years - in other words we can cut after year one with little impact. Can we at least learn the details of the contract prior to making definitive statements concerning its value?
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  • original poster wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    I don't doubt his blocking ability. I question overpaying for the player, a tendency we have had in the past in FA that helped put us squarely where we are today though! :141847_bnono:


    But you don't know we've over paid.

    Nobody does.


    If he earns that $14M in 3 years or anywhere close I do.


    What an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

    If he gets his incentives that means he has outperformed his base contract and proved to be a very valuable signing.

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    I could say that is utterly ridiculous also. Lacy had "incentives" to make a ridiculous heavy weight that he got. How did that turn out? :34853_doh: :34853_doh:
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  • This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.
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  • Let's see the EXACT terms. APY is comparable to what ASJ got from Jax.

    That said, they needed a complete TE ala Miller. Vannett was the closest they had to one and that's pushing it.

    Also think ASJ is getting put into some rarified air by some on here. Last year he showed some production but 7.1 YPC is meh. Dickson had double that and had more yards that ASJ on 20 less catches.
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  • Hopefully incentive laden with incentives being heavily weighted toward receptions and TDs, or even roster bonuses weighted toward the final year.
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  • tacomahawk wrote:We don’t even know the details yet, but folks are losing their minds. It is probably low guaranteed, heavily incentive laden. However carry on. I have pitchforks, and torches, for sale on Craigslist.


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  • The Hawks needed a veteran TE who can both block and catch, would be a system fit with their new offense, and be a veteran leader/mentor in their TE room. They got all of that in Dickson. Dickson has been on winning teams and played in 2-TE offenses his entire career in both Baltimore and Carolina, going to Super Bowls with both teams (winning one with Baltimore). Dickson is known for his run blocking ability and ability to play FB in addition to TE, but he was actually PFF's highest graded pass blocker in 2017, and his receiving grade was higher than any of Seattle's TE's last season, Jimmy Graham included. He's also durable, with the 4th longest active games played streak among curernt TE's in the NFL. Getting him for an AAV of less than $5M, even with all possible incentives included, is a steal. Great fit, right kind of guy, and an extremely affordable price.
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  • Excellent blocker from TE or FB position and relatively reliable pass catcher even without flashy numbers. Greg Olsen sure didn't help get him any targets, especially since he's clearly Cam's favorite pass catcher. Expect they'll look for a more explosive TE in the draft, maybe the kid Mark Andrews from Oklahoma? Knocked for his blocking but sounds like he's a slot matchup nightmare. Schotty loves the 2 TE sets and they'll need someone else.
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  • We needed a true blocking TE. We signed a true blocking TE. What's the problem?

    The Money? Are any of us being asked to pay for the contract? NO. We don't even know the full details of the contract.

    Do any of you complaining not remember exactly how bad our TE run blocking was these last few years? Do you also not think that Vannett will take another step and be a solid blocking and receiving TE for us?

    This may be a 1 or 2 year bridge to a full time TE in Vannett. A player who can also mentor Vannett in both being a solid blocking TE and possession receiver. I don't have a problem with this signing at all.
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  • NorthDallas40oz wrote:The Hawks needed a veteran TE who can both block and catch, would be a system fit with their new offense, and be a veteran leader/mentor in their TE room. They got all of that in Dickson. Dickson has been on winning teams and played in 2-TE offenses his entire career in both Baltimore and Carolina, going to Super Bowls with both teams (winning one with Baltimore). Dickson is known for his run blocking ability and ability to play FB in addition to TE, but he was actually PFF's highest graded pass blocker in 2017, and his receiving grade was higher than any of Seattle's TE's last season, Jimmy Graham included. He's also durable, with the 4th longest active games played streak among curernt TE's in the NFL. Getting him for an AAV of less than $5M, even with all possible incentives included, is a steal. Great fit, right kind of guy, and an extremely affordable price.


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  • Cyrus12 wrote:This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.


    No it doesn't. It shows that we needed a 3rd TE. We only have 2 on the roster, Vannett and Swoopes. Every team has at least 4-5 for camp.
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  • kf3339 wrote:We needed a true blocking TE. We signed a true blocking TE. What's the problem?

    The Money? Are any of us being asked to pay for the contract? NO. We don't even know the full details of the contract.

    Do any of you complaining not remember exactly how bad our TE run blocking was these last few years? Do you also not think that Vannett will take another step and be a solid blocking and receiving TE for us?

    This may be a 1 or 2 year bridge to a full time TE in Vannett. A player who can also mentor Vannett in both being a solid blocking TE and possession receiver. I don't have a problem with this signing at all.



    PFF does not like Ed Dickson, gave him a 49.7 grade, a 55.8 for pass catch, a 41.0 for run block and a 73.9 for pass block- he played 897 snaps (wow)

    No different then #88 at terrible run blocking. This is another bone headed move by JS. No need to sugar coat it.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.

    Yeah that is the crappy part. Remember them raving about how he was the best blocking tight end in college. Doesn’t look like it has worked out that way.
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Re: Dickson Signed
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  • RockinHawks wrote:
    RCATES wrote:What a garbage signing for virtually the same amount they could have landed ASJ for. Ohh and this move also cancels out the comp pick we would have received for #88. Smdh


    How would this cancel out the potential comp pick from the Jimmy Graham signing exactly?


    Because we've lost two and signed two so far.

    It will very unlikely be the case when it's all said and done, though.
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  • It's a one year deal for a run blocking TE2. Settle down.

    This also allows room for Vannett to get the bulk of the playing time should he show he's ready.

    #competition
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.

    Umm, no it doesn't. The Hawks being desperate to re-sign Graham and Willson - potentially overpaying to do so - would have confirmed that. This is a veteran leader to pair with the still ascending Vannett, who began flashing during the 2nd half of 2017 and even taking some snaps away from Graham and Willson. The Hawks only had 2 TE's under contract, one of whom is a long-term project who has yet to see an NFL snap....they were going to (and absolutely had to) sign at least one veteran TE this off-season just to even have a full practice during OTA's.
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  • iigakusei wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.

    Yeah that is the crappy part. Remember them raving about how he was the best blocking tight end in college. Doesn’t look like it has worked out that way.

    You would think by now he would be given the starting job especially after Graham leaving. A 3 year deal and not a cheap one at that to Dickson tells me that Vannett will not be the starter. He will be gone after his rookie deal.
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  • Mojambo wrote:It's a one year deal for a run blocking TE2. Settle down.

    This also allows room for Vannett to get the bulk of the playing time should he show he's ready.

    #competition


    PFF has him at a 41.0 for run blocking. So he's terrible at it.
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  • Here's a list of the top 10 pass blocking tight ends from last season.

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Re: Dickson Signed
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  • RockinHawks wrote:
    RCATES wrote:What a garbage signing for virtually the same amount they could have landed ASJ for. Ohh and this move also cancels out the comp pick we would have received for #88. Smdh


    How would this cancel out the potential comp pick from the Jimmy Graham signing exactly?




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  • RCATES wrote:
    Mojambo wrote:It's a one year deal for a run blocking TE2. Settle down.

    This also allows room for Vannett to get the bulk of the playing time should he show he's ready.

    #competition


    PFF has him at a 41.0 for run blocking. So he's terrible at it.


    If I thought PFF was anywhere credible, I might be worried, but I don't, so I'm not.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:This confirms that Vannett is a bust....another draft blunder.

    Yeah that is the crappy part. Remember them raving about how he was the best blocking tight end in college. Doesn’t look like it has worked out that way.

    You would think by now he would be given the starting job especially after Graham leaving. A 3 year deal and not a cheap one at that to Dickson tells me that Vannett will not be the starter. He will be gone after his rookie deal.


    It's a three year deal in name only. It's one year guaranteed.

    This doesn't block Vannett in any way at all. In fact, in my view it keeps the door pretty wide open for him.

    Now if Seattle drafts a TE, then Vannett might be in trouble.
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  • I am not the biggest fan of this signing - but you what is up with everyone being so black and white with this?

    The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Also, we don't even know the details of the contract yet. There have been all these reports about how the Seahawks didn't want to get burned with another Kam situation, so you you really think all 14 is guaranteed with this 30 year old tight end?

    If i had to guess I would say this is essentially a 1 year deal with an inflated APY to make his agent look good. From what we saw last year I don't think it's fair to say Vannett is a bust at this point. He is exactly what he should be, a young tight end learning the system who will benefit from a veteran presence in the locker room. This signing does not indicate that Vannett could dominate and Dickson could never see the field by the end of the season. It's just a good idea to have depth.

    All that being said, even if it turns out to be a one year deal, I can't help but think maybe they paid a little bit too much for what Dickson brings. It will be perfect it the first year guaranteed is only 2-3 million and everything else is team option, but something tells me he was able to get a little bit more out of them.

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  • RCATES wrote:
    Mojambo wrote:It's a one year deal for a run blocking TE2. Settle down.

    This also allows room for Vannett to get the bulk of the playing time should he show he's ready.

    #competition


    PFF has him at a 41.0 for run blocking. So he's terrible at it.


    ASJ is 59.9 run block :229031_banghead:
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