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Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:16 pm
  • As of now or just as of now?
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:32 pm
  • Do you mean as of now, or in the future?
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:35 pm
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:57 pm
  • He's been roughly 4 or 5 on the list for a few years now. His growth has been stunted with RB and OL problems the last two though. He's gotten dumber and dumber since 2015, when he had that streak of 8 games that put him in that top 3 for a bit. It's the only sample there is. OL won't do it alone. Carson is a stud, yes, but he can get injured. RW should get back at his more usual high efficiency at that point.

    RW fans take that as a slight. Some sort of underdog follower worshipness sort of shit. Often enough, GB bay fans say the same thing about their QB, needing a running game to take the emphasis off so defenses can't go all out pass rush all the time. Just normal strategy really. Not a slight against the lord and savior. I also say that because we aren't yet paying him 30M. Mmmmhmm.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:02 pm
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:22 pm
  • I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:29 pm
  • MD5eahawks wrote:I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?

    Asking top 5 isn't questioning. It isn't a matter of what he has to do to prove...whichever. There is no such thing as unquestionable holiness so don't ask for it.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:02 pm
  • Yes. And he could use a good running game. Not mutually exclusive. A not shit-tier OL would help.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:02 pm
  • Please stop watching ESPN...

    They have a top 5 for everything
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:49 pm
  • MD5eahawks wrote:I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?


    Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.
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Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:30 pm
  • As of yet or as of tomorrow?
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:19 am
  • XxXdragonXxX wrote:As of yet or as of tomorrow?


    It was as of yesterday, so this thread is irrelevant now.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:01 am
  • He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:46 am
  • Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:57 am
  • From the department of redundancy department, yes. Yes he is.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:42 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:43 am
  • WilsonMVP wrote:Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year



    Curious, in combined yards, where did Wilson rank? Also, stats aren’t in a vacuum. You think Wentz, Brady, Goff, and Brees put up their same numbers with the Seahawks offense?
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:44 am
  • hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    He is as serious as you were saying he is #15 best and Hasselbeck was "twice the QB". :roll:

    #2 is a hell of a lot closer to fact than #15.

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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.


    That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:45 am
  • hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    We must have been watching a different Seahawks OL and stable of running backs last year. Their OL and HBs were so bad that the team last year was in fact a 2-3 win talent team. They were that bad to bring everyone else down. Rodgers and Wilson are the only QBs in the league who could perform behind that OL. Luckily Wilson is durable, Rodgers definitely would have gotten hurt behind that OL.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:07 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    He is as serious as you were saying he is #15 best and Hasselbeck was "twice the QB". :roll:

    #2 is a hell of a lot closer to fact than #15.

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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.


    That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.



    Dear God! He actually typed that shit? And meant it? Please tell me u cut the sarcasm emojis off of his quote!
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:19 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    We must have been watching a different Seahawks OL and stable of running backs last year. Their OL and HBs were so bad that the team last year was in fact a 2-3 win talent team. They were that bad to bring everyone else down. Rodgers and Wilson are the only QBs in the league who could perform behind that OL. Luckily Wilson is durable, Rodgers definitely would have gotten hurt behind that OL.


    There isn’t an oline in the league that could successfully block for Wilson. Much of the pressure he sees is of his own doing. He is a phenomenal athlete, and not a great qb from a technical standpoint (poor footwork in the pocket, flawed throwing motion). His athleticism allows him to be successful, albeit not real consistently. Because of this style he will not have even close to the shelf life the great qb’s have.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:45 am
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    Seymour wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    He is as serious as you were saying he is #15 best and Hasselbeck was "twice the QB". :roll:

    #2 is a hell of a lot closer to fact than #15.

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    SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.


    That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.



    Dear God! He actually typed that shit? And meant it? Please tell me u cut the sarcasm emojis off of his quote!


    Nope exact quote. Pretty easy to remember posts like this. Search his history, the Wilson hate is pretty damn sad.

    Here is another classic that started out about why Bevell was screwed. Quickly turned out to be a Wilson hate thread.

    hawkman wrote:Was he the mastermind that made that got us Super Bowl? Or the Idiot the internet idiots called him out to be?

    I hope I don’t get banned, and this thread stays around for a year or so. I would trade Wilson for anything we could get right now. He is a great athlete. Time is not on his side. Athlete loses out to real QB when time catches up. Russell was and is fun to watch. But it is very nice easy to see he isn’t the sharpest pencil and n the box.

    Sooner some quit considering the athlete a QB the sooner we might win another Super Bowl.

    One promise to all of you. Lil Wilson will never win another SB in Seattle or anywhere else. Lil guy got gifted one. That’s over.


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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:07 am
  • Yes , what he did last year with so little help around him cemented his status is a top QB in the NFL. He carried the team on his back all season when they defense was getting killed by injuries.

    He put up historic numbers and accounted for over 80% of the teams whole offense, no one in history has ever done that.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:48 am
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:49 am
  • WilsonMVP wrote:Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year


    Extrapolated stats are just that, they don't account for too many factors.

    Factor in the worst offensive line those two years and yes, he is definitely top-5.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:12 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    He is as serious as you were saying he is #15 best and Hasselbeck was "twice the QB". :roll:

    #2 is a hell of a lot closer to fact than #15.

    hawkman wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, can't take anyone serious who thinks Russ is #15. Just another "fan" who chooses to hate the guy, regardless what has done. He's only the best QB the team has ever had.


    That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.



    Wow no way you really think Hasselbeck was a better QB then Russell? I'm not going to deep into this idiotic comment, but any true Hawk fan will agree with me. When Hass was our QB, if we were down by 10 pts or more in the 2nd half the game was as good as over. If we are down by 20 pts @ half with Russell, I believe we still have a chance to come back and win! No way he was half the QB Russell is. Not sure where "Ranks" but dude has the heart of a lion, he is our QB, and I believe in him each & every game!!
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:18 pm
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:08 pm
  • hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:He’s the #2 QB. He’s a QB who can lead his team to victory despite the talent around them. The Seahawks roster last year was 2 or 3 wins talent wise and he remarkably got us to 9. Could have easily been 11 with a competent kicker.


    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    We must have been watching a different Seahawks OL and stable of running backs last year. Their OL and HBs were so bad that the team last year was in fact a 2-3 win talent team. They were that bad to bring everyone else down. Rodgers and Wilson are the only QBs in the league who could perform behind that OL. Luckily Wilson is durable, Rodgers definitely would have gotten hurt behind that OL.


    There isn’t an oline in the league that could successfully block for Wilson. Much of the pressure he sees is of his own doing. He is a phenomenal athlete, and not a great qb from a technical standpoint (poor footwork in the pocket, flawed throwing motion). His athleticism allows him to be successful, albeit not real consistently. Because of this style he will not have even close to the shelf life the great qb’s have.


    Not much a QB can do when the DL can get in their sprinter stances and take off for the QB with zero threat of a run game.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:17 pm
  • Seymour wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    hawkman wrote:
    Please tell us your joking :shock:


    He is as serious as you were saying he is #15 best and Hasselbeck was "twice the QB". :roll:

    #2 is a hell of a lot closer to fact than #15.

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    That’s a huge insult to Hasselbeck was who could play from the pocket and didn’t panic at the remote some of pressure. Wilson is a better athlete, but has was twice the qb.



    Dear God! He actually typed that shit? And meant it? Please tell me u cut the sarcasm emojis off of his quote!


    Nope exact quote. Pretty easy to remember posts like this. Search his history, the Wilson hate is pretty damn sad.

    Here is another classic that started out about why Bevell was screwed. Quickly turned out to be a Wilson hate thread.

    hawkman wrote:Was he the mastermind that made that got us Super Bowl? Or the Idiot the internet idiots called him out to be?

    I hope I don’t get banned, and this thread stays around for a year or so. I would trade Wilson for anything we could get right now. He is a great athlete. Time is not on his side. Athlete loses out to real QB when time catches up. Russell was and is fun to watch. But it is very nice easy to see he isn’t the sharpest pencil and n the box.

    Sooner some quit considering the athlete a QB the sooner we might win another Super Bowl.

    One promise to all of you. Lil Wilson will never win another SB in Seattle or anywhere else. Lil guy got gifted one. That’s over.


    http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145850&p=2154324#p2154323




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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:43 pm
  • I look at it this way, Wilson came to us with a average or just below average O line, a HOF running back, a top 5 historical defense and performed well.

    We won playoff games and a Super Bowl as a team while he was learning his craft despite the known obstacles that stopped us from doing more.

    We are now in a complete rebuild mode, retooling or retraining a whole O line, bringing in new Receivers to supplement Baldwin, new TE's to help with blocking and to be used as TE's not big WR's, a new offense system that has more variables and were still in the process of identifying our running game and RB's.

    On defense we have our LB corps and Earl, pretty much everyone else were roll players or learning that we're now asking to step up and be starters and impact guys going forward, an example of what can happen to a great QB put on a team with now supporting cast to help consistently is Archie Manning.

    The man was a very good QB coming out of college but player 11 years I think on a New Orleans team that was terrible in just about everything the did from Drafts and trades to Coaching and their Front Office, they finally did make a defense that was very formidable but it was a high cost for the QB. He never had a winning season in New Orleans, yet was an All Pro a few times, that says something about his ability even if his stats show average or bad. He was a scrambler and had pretty good accuracy and a strong arm coming out of college and at 6'3" 220 or so was a big QB for 1971.

    You know why he fought to have Eli traded to the Giants now.

    I really don't want to see that happen to Wilson, when you start pressing to make things happen all the time usually it ends up being something bad, turnovers or injury. If he has regressed it is due to the Coaching and Front office failing to get him a toolbox to use adequately and trust.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:46 pm
  • Hot take (and actual not a hot take at all, but the truth)

    Lynch benefited more playing with Wilson than Wilson did playing with Lynch.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:49 pm
  • Steve2222 wrote:
    WilsonMVP wrote:Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year



    Curious, in combined yards, where did Wilson rank? Also, stats aren’t in a vacuum. You think Wentz, Brady, Goff, and Brees put up their same numbers with the Seahawks offense?


    True I did not include TOTAL yards....

    It would put him 2nd in total yards this past year and top 5 2 years ago. I personally think he is a top 5 QB with the situation he is in, but you could argue he isnt
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:23 pm
  • Damn, someone on Twitter posted a stat that had Wilson with over a 100 passer rating when targeting the short middle of the field. Wish I could find it. Stats don't support the "he can't throw over the middle" narrative.

    Also, I'd like to see where we ranked in dropped passes and how many yards above average he lost due to failed receptions.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:08 pm
  • hawkman wrote:
    MD5eahawks wrote:I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?


    Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.

    Might help if he has some of his Receivers, TE's or RB's "Consistently" getting somewhat open in "the middle of the field" .....Pocket?, you mean the sporadic "Pocket's" where his O-Linemen are blocking AIR or diving at the Defenders legs, and or both?
    Russell Wilson was the #1 rusher for the Seahawks last season, if that tells you anything.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:23 pm
  • adeltaY wrote:Damn, someone on Twitter posted a stat that had Wilson with over a 100 passer rating when targeting the short middle of the field. Wish I could find it. Stats don't support the "he can't throw over the middle" narrative.

    Also, I'd like to see where we ranked in dropped passes and how many yards above average he lost due to failed receptions.


    His completion % is also decimated with the amount of throwaways he’s forced to make. If I were a betting man, I bet he led the league in throwaways.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:57 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:I look at it this way, Wilson came to us with a average or just below average O line, a HOF running back, a top 5 historical defense and performed well.

    We won playoff games and a Super Bowl as a team while he was learning his craft despite the known obstacles that stopped us from doing more.

    We are now in a complete rebuild mode, retooling or retraining a whole O line, bringing in new Receivers to supplement Baldwin, new TE's to help with blocking and to be used as TE's not big WR's, a new offense system that has more variables and were still in the process of identifying our running game and RB's.

    On defense we have our LB corps and Earl, pretty much everyone else were roll players or learning that we're now asking to step up and be starters and impact guys going forward, an example of what can happen to a great QB put on a team with now supporting cast to help consistently is Archie Manning.

    The man was a very good QB coming out of college but player 11 years I think on a New Orleans team that was terrible in just about everything the did from Drafts and trades to Coaching and their Front Office, they finally did make a defense that was very formidable but it was a high cost for the QB. He never had a winning season in New Orleans, yet was an All Pro a few times, that says something about his ability even if his stats show average or bad. He was a scrambler and had pretty good accuracy and a strong arm coming out of college and at 6'3" 220 or so was a big QB for 1971.

    You know why he fought to have Eli traded to the Giants now.

    I really don't want to see that happen to Wilson, when you start pressing to make things happen all the time usually it ends up being something bad, turnovers or injury. If he has regressed it is due to the Coaching and Front office failing to get him a toolbox to use adequately and trust.


    Set a record for touchdown passes by a rookie actually. (Tied Manning)
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:18 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:



    Well apparently not...
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:20 pm
  • I remember Hass having a good year then a bad year for about 4-5 seasons and he lost the game for us a few times
    Everybody makes mistakes but with Hass you never got the feeling when we were behind we were still in it and Russ brings that in spades
    Reading about cables blocking techniques and knowing some of Solaris I feel we can be a much better team with just that change right there so I am just exited we can have a chance to see our oline improve dramatically with the same guys and for Britt to turn around and do so well is a statement to good he may be and I know I'm gonna love brown cuz that guys a monster which I hope in turn leads us to a viable run game
    I should bet some money on our potential to turn things around , can't wait to see it
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:32 pm
  • AF_BASS_MAN wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:



    Well apparently not...


    Well apparently so.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:38 pm
  • Chris Sims has him at #2 on his list
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:41 pm
  • Yes and no. Wilson is an enigma, an oddity at the QB position. This is why he is always bound to get criticism and second guessing thrown his way. Wilson's biggest issue is his lack of consistency. There are points in a game where he will miss the easiest 'gimmie' throws, or not see guys that are running wide open. This happens even if he gets good protection. When he is in these modes he may as well be Tarvaris Jackson.

    The other side of Wilson is the terminator. God smiles from the heavens above, and grants Wilson the power to smite his foes with robotic like proficiency. When he is on he looks like the greatest QB to ever play this game. I would take Wilson when he is in the zone over Brady, Montana, Elway, etc. Nobody can stop the man in this mode, he looks almost as if he is possessed. He will make seemingly impossible throws, and he will look like Barry Sanders juking defenders in the backfield, as he throws a perfect pass with defenders draped over him.

    This can be a bit jarring. In most games he will look like some back-up QB barely clinging to a job until the late third, and fourth Quarter. This, rightfully so leaves many fans confused, and wondering what exactly Russell Wilson is as a player. This may be why we brought in Schottenheimer. Bevell looked like a pushover, and punching bag for the players. People did not respect him or his schemes. Whenever I saw him he gave me the impression of a meek man that was unable to reign in his players. His authority was also greatly diminished by the co-coordinator set up he had with Cable. He was referred to as a passing game coordinator, and Cable as a running game coordinator. Schottenheimer on the other hand is known for being a hard a---.

    This all goes back to Russ. He doesn't play within the confines of the offense. He has always been a QB that made up his own rules as he went. We like to view him as a rank and file guy, but in reality Russ bends every basic rule of playing QB on a regular basis. He is the biggest rogue in the organization on the field. This leads to interesting results that are both good, both bad. He can accomplish this due to his unique talents at QB. Unfortunately, because of this loose style he is lacking in fundamentals as a passer. He does not have the same internal clock that a QB such as Hasselbeck had. It simply does not exist for Wilson because of the miracles he is able to pull off in the backfield.

    This bit is important for QB's becoming a consistent force. Wilson needs to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. He will often forgo checkdown routes if they are available, because he knows he may be able to make something big happen. Unfortunately, Pete and Bevell encouraged this style of play. I like to call it hero ball. This style of play leads to awkward throwing positions, and less than ideal mechanics on a regular basis. This is why we see Russ consistently overthrow his receivers. Even if he gets a clear pocket, Russ tends to move around excessively. This is a recipe for bad throws. He doesn't need to be Brees, but he sure could learn a lot from the way he sets up his blockers, and manipulates the pocket. This will lead to more consistent play from Russ, and ultimately elevate his game to the next level.

    Russ has developed some really bad habits, and I'm starting to think that maybe this is why a guy like Schottenheimer was brought in over some of the other big names on the market. Schotty is a no non-sense, old school style of coordinator. While I don't think much of his offenses and schemes, I do think he will bring a lot of value in taming our wild stallion of a QB. I think he was brought in more for this reason than his merits as a coordinator. He will demand much more out of Wilson than Bevell, and he will not sit back and be an "oh shucks" type of OC like Bevell was. He will demand accountability from his Quarterback.

    So essentially what I said is, yes and no. He is both a top five QB, and not a top five QB.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:42 pm
  • Well he appears to be #1 in the NFCW...so that’s all that really matters lol.

    Hopefully it stays that way. Concerning that NFLN has JimmyG at #12 already....
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:16 pm
  • WilsonMVP wrote:Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year


    Please include completion percentage if your going to throw these out there throw all of them.
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Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:24 pm
  • Wilson has some great strengths as a QB but he has some serious holes in his game. If he wants to take it to the next level (tom brady level) he needs to fix these. I have been one of the biggest critics of Wilson but I am all aboard the Russ train. That being said I'm still not going to overlook his faults. The dude needs to learn to take what the defense gives him. Check the ball down dude
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:33 pm
  • He can't get the ball out quick enough we all know why other than that he's one of the best. It takes him longer to find the open guy than a QB 6'4 that's just a physical reality. He makes up for that with his mobility and accuracy 61 percent comp percentage.
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Re: As of now is RW top 5 QB as of now?
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:46 pm
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    WilsonMVP wrote:Lets see

    Last year he was

    9th in passing yards
    1st in passing TD
    10th in QB rating
    33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs

    2 Years ago
    10th in passing yards
    17th in passing TD
    14th in QB rating


    Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.

    I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year


    Please include completion percentage if your going to throw these out there throw all of them.


    I dont see how completion percentage is important...Bradford set a record for that and all he did was check it down all the time
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