lukerguy wrote:

original poster wrote:

lukerguy wrote:FLuker has graded around 70+ at RT in his career, so perhaps they plan to move him to RT and push Fant to LG.

I had them taking one of Isaiah Wynn, Will Hernandez or Austin Corbett early for LG.

I’m still adamant this will happen despite the Fluker signing.

What do you do with Fant than? Assuming 100% he sure looked like he showed some definite promise. I don't think you want to sit him out another year from progression.

I think Fant will be valuable insurance as LT backup should Brown go down. Given his age i’d feel pretty comfortable having Fant ready to do should the worst happen.

Uncle Si wrote:

Seymour wrote:Another 2013 draft bust, that was #11 overall.

What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

Seymour wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:

Seymour wrote:Another 2013 draft bust, that was #11 overall.

What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

You said you were checking on his injury history...

You can get salty if you want, i was wondering if you had more info.

TheHawkster wrote:We can plug him in at RT, and have Dixon pass block for him.
I hope he can catch!

I said the exact same on Twitter a little while ago

original poster wrote:

TheHawkster wrote:We can plug him in at RT, and have Dixon pass block for him.
I hope he can catch!

I said the exact same on Twitter a little while ago

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Great minds think alike.

PFF:

"Fluker has been a significantly better tackle than guard so far in the NFL."
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/p ... ree-agency

"Fluker played well at tackle, posting Pro Football Focus grades of 71.7 and 77 in 2013 and '14, respectively, while starting 31 of 32 regular season games, plus two playoff games. But he's struggled the last two years at guard, though, with PFF grades of 57.7 (2015) and 63.7 (2016)."

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017 ... ld_an.html

Or, we could just wait and see how he plays?

See the thing about a signing like this is that Solari has worked with him and brought him in. So if Fluker doesn't work out there is no cover for our knew OL coach and he knows it. So this must be a better move than shows on paper. Either that or Pete's already told Solari that pass protection is of no importance to Seattle.

Willie Beavers was a 4 year starter at LT at WMU. I'd like to see him get a chance at LG this upcoming TC, given his frame. He's not a tackle, but is in the right mold for guard.

One of the things that bugged me about Cable was this idea of having skinny giraffes playing guard and these well built road grader types playing tackle.

I'm sorry, but a a 6'6 barely 300 pounder just isn't a guard. Strength and leverage problems right off the bat. It was stupid...beyond stupid.

Yeah buddy. 342 pounds. Oh, and I posted a link to a thread on the Giants forum and they wanted him back which is odd for a lineman we sign.

King Dog wrote:Yeah buddy. 342 pounds

Good or bad?

Great

with his terrible feet, no way is he playing over a healthy fant / potentially-improved ifedi at RT. so until he proves otherwise, hes just another camp body. better than poicic at RG, but still a massive turnstyle in pass blocking. wonder how much donald is still savoring our interior line. rams, even 9ers licking their chops

just a "meh" move tbh

Here's that thread:
http://boards.giants.com/forum/new-york ... out-fluker

For example...
"-13-2018, 05:20 PM
I love Fluker, came off to me last year as a guy that had something to prove. It was clear as day he should have been a starter since preseason. Pretty infuriating to see the coaching staff not see it for themselves, unless they had another agenda. As soon as he was inserted into the lineup due to injury, instant ground game improvement. The guy is a mauler in the run game.

That being said, from what I have heard the Giants don't feel he is a good fit in their new zone run blocking scheme. I hope that is inaccurate and we end up signing him."

"Fant has never done anything to secure a prognosis as an NFL starter. He's one of the most overhyped players in recent Seattle history."
I have reservations with Carson as well. I'm worried he comes back from injury like Rawls.

original poster wrote:He played RG and RT for Solari last year with the Giants.

This is a pretty intriguing signing.

Very keen to see the contract given how awfully overpaid many have been.

Garrapolo says we signed OLD J Fluker
I'd suppose signing YOUNG J Fluker is too much to ask ?
Solari knows what he's looking for...Good Signing

Just feels like another signing like last year...

..and the year before...

...and the year before that...

Scepticism is undoubtedly justified. However, it is something for the OLine rather than crickets

I just hope this mother Fluker can play.

Seems like an exact replica of the Joeckel signing. I watched a couple of Giants games last year and Fluker's name was called a lot, which isn't a good thing. Russ must be thrilled.

Giants fans are giving me beef about signing Fluker who they believe was not good. It doesn't bother me though as they do not know our FO's plan.

DomeHawk wrote:Just feels like another signing like last year...

..and the year before...

...and the year before that...

It is the opposite now. Now they look for fat guys who can't run before they looked for fat guys who could run.

NJlargent wrote:Giants fans are giving me beef about signing Fluker who they believe was not good. It doesn't bother me though as they do not know our FO's plan.

I'm not seeing the plan. He has the classic Cable profile of many guys who have previously struggled mightily in our system. Who knows, maybe it was all Cable's fault and these guys suddenly blossom into competent linemen, but after years of watching this offense I'm sick and tired of "road-grader" linemen who can't pas block to save their lives and end up not really being able to run block either.

Seymour wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:

Seymour wrote:Another 2013 draft bust, that was #11 overall.

What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

I don't think we need to vilify changing ones opinion, more people on the internet need to learn how to do that. I think everyone just gets tired of the constant negativity. I can't remember the last happy Seymour post I saw.

I think this is a good signing for the team at this point. Not much left in FA to pick from, and whatever the contract is will be more than likely cap friendly. Considering how much Pugh got from the Cards, this was the next best option.

Hope it works!

Good signing. What are the numbers?

Cyrus12 wrote:Good signing. What are the numbers?

'Bout tree fiddy

Haven't seen numbers but ill guess 2y 10m

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Can someone explain how Ifedi/Fluker are such great athletes but people frequently describe them as having "slow feet"? Is it because agility is separate from athleticism. Are they very strong/long but slow? Genuinely don't understand it.

Well an improved Run game by itself will help keep the gates of hell from being swung all the way open against Wilson. It's a start if he pans out, right now it's getting bodies in place again and seeing what we have.

Sounds like a little bit of balance and a cohesiveness in the line. One year deal works for cohesiveness with a new offensive line. Coach is aware of needs apparently and is talking to the powers that be. If nothing else....he can teach basics and help with the chemistry that is needed in the new line the NEW coach is bringing with him. Maybe some of the chaos is gone. We shall see.

PC/JS are simply going about this similar to how they did in 2010. Rough patch the holes we have before the draft, so we have as few glaring holes as possible going into the draft. With only having 1 pick in rds 1-3, and not much cap space to work with this year I feel they are doing all they can do to turn over as many rocks as possible, so all these guys can fight it out in camp to see who is standing when the dust settles. Could be a tough year, but with a lot more cap space potentially next season, and full slate of draft picks next season we should be headed back in the right direction. I like the idea of signing Fluker for the reason it will if nothing else push Ifedi, Poscic, Roos & Fant to become better, and that's a good thing. With that said I really wish we could get Conner Williams or Isaiah Wynn to help get us headed in the right direction.

bbsplitter wrote:

Seymour wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:

Seymour wrote:Another 2013 draft bust, that was #11 overall.

What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

I don't think we need to vilify changing ones opinion, more people on the internet need to learn how to do that. I think everyone just gets tired of the constant negativity. I can't remember the last happy Seymour post I saw.

Not sure that’s villifying. Just asking what changed his mind.

I know nothing of Fluker

bbsplitter wrote:

Seymour wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:

Seymour wrote:Another 2013 draft bust, that was #11 overall.

What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

I don't think we need to vilify changing ones opinion, more people on the internet need to learn how to do that. I think everyone just gets tired of the constant negativity. I can't remember the last happy Seymour post I saw.

That's really what I was getting at. How much knowledge does it take to launch into the histrionics of negativity?

adeltaY wrote:Can someone explain how Ifedi/Fluker are such great athletes but people frequently describe them as having "slow feet"? Is it because agility is separate from athleticism. Are they very strong/long but slow? Genuinely don't understand it.

Both are long, but Fluker is even longer and uses his length well (which is the big difference). When playing tackle, Fluker has better technique in his footwork. He uses his long arms and an economy of movement to cut off pass rushing lanes. But I don't think anyone would mistake Fluker for a "great athlete."

Ifedi is more of a north-south player. He is way more explosive than Fluker. That is why some people compliment Ifedi's "athleticism," when they are really referring to his explosiveness in the run game (9'1'' broad jump). Another reason why many people, including the great Walter Jones, would like to see Ifedi at guard.

I don't like it but I don't dislike it either lord knows they need all the depth they can get there so fine I just hope he didn't cost much.

This isn't quite how I expected the off-season to go. I was looking for more of a long term view where we net comp picks and use any cap room saved to extend our own key players.

That being said, it does make sense to let your new staff bring in guys that they have worked with before and are comfortable using. The FO is apparently trying to compete this year and not treating it like the reloading year that most of us have been planning for. I'm on the skeptical side but they can win me over if we're still in the division race come November.

My March 20th OL depth chart:
LT - Duane Brown, George Fant, Rees Odhiambo
LG - Jordan Roos vs. Ethan Pocic, Rees Odhiambo
C - Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic
RG - DJ Fluker vs. Rookie
RT - Germain Ifedi vs. George Fant
RT (Honorary) - Ed Dickson

12forlife wrote:PC/JS are simply going about this similar to how they did in 2010. Rough patch the holes we have before the draft, so we have as few glaring holes as possible going into the draft.

Agreed; this is a mandatory prerequisite to going BPA in the draft.

He’s good, he sucks, whatever.

Several around here were pretty high on this player during the 2013 draft. Now after 4 seasons with some good, several injuries, and some bad, he sucks to some, can’t pass protect, is somewhat solid as a run blocker, but isn’t worthy. As said earlier, whatever, he’s here for the year, let’s wait, watch, and see what he can do. He’s certainly got a good college pedigree and is a physical specimen. Our present well experienced OLine coach likes him and I suspect he wants to play and show he was worth a 1st round pick. Just b/c many of the 2013 draft busted doesn’t mean they all will. We’ve seen what a healthy Dion Jordan could potentially bring to the table, maybe a healthy Fluker can do the same.

There will be little doubt this guy will be easily pushed around by DTs and could bring some genuine nasty when combined with Ifedi if the later sticks after facing competition from Fluker. I like the idea of these two on the right side shoving defensive players into the turf face first breaking open running lanes for a RB that can make yardage after initial contact.

Before we write this signing off as a stop gap mistake let’s wait and watch first. As far as an addition to the OLine pile I like it, or the idea behind it.

I'll take him over joeckel .

Fluker at least can run block.

Just hope it's like a 1 year $2M deal.

jammerhawk wrote:Fluker at least can run block.

But he can't pass block worth crap and last time I looked Wilson's passing is the only strength this offense possesses.

DomeHawk wrote:But he can't pass block worth crap and last time I looked Wilson's passing is the only strength this offense possesses.

Our passing offense was terrific in the second half of 2015. It may be counter intuitive but I would argue strongly that had much less to do with our OL pass blocking being better and much more to do with both our running game being better and Wilson moving fluidly outside of the pocket and connecting with Doug, Kearse, Jimmy and FredEx.

Remember at the time how bothered people here were about Britt's pass blocking at LG, Sweezy's pass blocking at RG, and Gilliam's pass blocking at RT? Wilson was getting the ball out right away and very accurately. If you remember our game against the Vikings, we had nearly 200 yards rushing with Wilson over 50 and a couple of rushing TDs.

This may be a Robert Gallery type signing, on the field in the huddle assistant.

Look at the picture hard guys...
You wanted OL..They get one and most of you still cannot be happy..
Boo Hoo!I don't think it matters much who they get besides for a running game.
The sandlot QB has to change some things for it to really matter..Passing wise

Wenhawk wrote:Haven't seen numbers but ill guess 2y 10m

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hawknation2018 wrote:

original poster wrote:

TheHawkster wrote:We can plug him in at RT, and have Dixon pass block for him.
I hope he can catch!

I said the exact same on Twitter a little while ago

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Great minds think alike.

Indeed

hawknation2018 wrote:

bbsplitter wrote:

Seymour wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:
What do you know of the player outside his PFF scores from last year.. because your opinion has done one of the quicker and more extreme 180s i've seen on here in some time

I know worse than Joeckel = potential destruction of our #1 asset and more bad habits which happens to piss me off. Sorry.I'll check out now since people don't understand what "I need to check means".

I don't think we need to vilify changing ones opinion, more people on the internet need to learn how to do that. I think everyone just gets tired of the constant negativity. I can't remember the last happy Seymour post I saw.

That's really what I was getting at. How much knowledge does it take to launch into the histrionics of negativity?

A 4 second look at PFF grades apparently

Welcome to the O Line Vending Machine!

Choose up to 2 from the following 3 options when choosing your O Line player:

1 - Good at Run Blocking

2 - Good at Pass Blocking

3 - Free Agent

uncle fester wrote:Welcome to the O Line Vending Machine!

Choose up to 2 from the following 3 options when choosing your O Line player:

1 - Good at Run Blocking

2 - Good at Pass Blocking

3 - Free Agent

Can 1 and 2 be selected at draft time?

hawknation2018 wrote:PFF:

"Fluker has been a significantly better tackle than guard so far in the NFL."
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/p ... ree-agency

"Fluker played well at tackle, posting Pro Football Focus grades of 71.7 and 77 in 2013 and '14, respectively, while starting 31 of 32 regular season games, plus two playoff games. But he's struggled the last two years at guard, though, with PFF grades of 57.7 (2015) and 63.7 (2016)."

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017 ... ld_an.html

And in typical Seahawk fashion,,,,,,,

Jville wrote: