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  • In a recent interview John Schnieder tipped his hand by making a trip recently to Laramie, Wyoming. Appears that he may have more than a passing interest in a QB by the name of Josh Allen. John has a great team of scouts, and can bet your arses that one of them recently called or texted him and told him to get butt over to the Cowboy's field and see this kid in person. I spent just a short while today refreshing myself on this guy and if we can finagle an early enough pick to snag this character I'm all for it.
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  • He was by far the worst qb the ducks played this past season. Terrible. I wouldn’t take him if he slid to our 4th round pick.
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  • Early enough pick? Like #1 overall? That might be what it takes. Glad he's going to be out of our reach to even be tempted by him.
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  • The next Jay Cutler, but even worse.
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  • I'd be mad as hell if HE is the QB he's entertaining.
    Thread made me mad as hell already.
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  • Baker Mayfield does have 'it' though.
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  • This might be exactly what John and Pete are counting on. I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day. I was elated when they announced we had picked him. I'm no talent scout, but I like this kid. I might totally off on this one, but there are a bunch of respected NFL scouts out there who are seeing what I'm seeing. I could see him fitting right in to our band of otherwise overlooked talents, or in some minds, misfits. If John and Pete see enough there to go after him, I'm all in.
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  • pacific101 wrote:This might be exactly what John and Pete are counting on. I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day. I was elated when they announced we had picked him. I'm no talent scout, but I like this kid. I might totally off on this one, but there are a bunch of respected NFL scouts out there who are seeing what I'm seeing. I could see him fitting right in to our band of otherwise overlooked talents, or in some minds, misfits. If John and Pete see enough there to go after him, I'm all in.


    Are you serious?

    QB is at the bottom of the list of needs. It MIGHT be one thing to consider if we had the #1 pick. But we'd have to give up an insane amount of draft capital, if which we are very low, to even have a chance at this guy.

    You must be trolling.
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  • Josh Allen is going somewhere in the Top 3.
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  • Hmmmmm...interesting(?)
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  • Smellyman wrote:Baker Mayfield does have 'it' though.

    That would be Lauletta, and I even think his name is kind of slightly annoying. Not sure why. Maybe too many syllables. Probably not. Whatever.
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  • Could it have been to scout some other players? I heard there’s a CB that had blazing speed, and there might be a DE and OL prospect in later rounds/undrafted. I remember reading somewhere in previous drafts he met with players that were clearly out of reach to interview them about other players he was secretly interested in.
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  • He attended Darnold's and Allen's for sure. That's what GM's do. GB took Roger's at 22 with Farve as their starter. It's the prudent thing to do sitting there at 18 and 4 highly thought of QB's coming on line.
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  • EverydayImRusselin wrote:
    pacific101 wrote:This might be exactly what John and Pete are counting on. I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day. I was elated when they announced we had picked him. I'm no talent scout, but I like this kid. I might totally off on this one, but there are a bunch of respected NFL scouts out there who are seeing what I'm seeing. I could see him fitting right in to our band of otherwise overlooked talents, or in some minds, misfits. If John and Pete see enough there to go after him, I'm all in.


    Are you serious?

    QB is at the bottom of the list of needs. It MIGHT be one thing to consider if we had the #1 pick. But we'd have to give up an insane amount of draft capital, if which we are very low, to even have a chance at this guy.

    You must be trolling.

    no trolling here, been a Seahawk fan since before their 1st draft. John said " I went up there to see this kids arm in person", that is where I got this crazy notion that we might be scoping him out, and not some crazy notion I pulled out of my hairy old trolling arse as you suggested or would have others believe. You'll discover over time that unlike many I actualy do follow the Seahawks obsessively, so that when I share a thought it is generally well thought out and factually supported, albeit won't always fall in lockstep with your line of thought, and from what I have gatherd thus far, that is of no great consequence at all.
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  • This is going to be a fascinating draft to re-visit in a few years with the number of QBs that will go at the top. We could see four QBs go in the top six picks unless one inexplicably freefalls. History suggests that a couple of them will be big disappointments. Lots of pressure to scout (guess) right with so many available.

    The thing that I don't understand about the Allen hype is I always hear two things about him. He has a big (awesome) arm but has had accuracy issues. Has that combination ever worked out in recent memory? Take a guy like Kirk Cousins, who had really good accuracy but a "noodle arm" in the draft process, but has carved out a very nice career for himself. I guess if you hit the lottery with one of these big-armed but flawed prospects, it's worth it...just seems to be a failed strategy more often than not.
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  • Hawks will be in no position to grab Allen anyways so this doesnt bother me at all, but even if we were and Schneider did select him in the 1st, somebody needs to escort JS to the door. Way more important holes to fill right now than drafting a backup QB.
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  • For teams with elite QBs already on the roster (like Seattle) these top QB prospect pro days are the perfect opportunity to talk trades with other teams since every team and most GMs are in attendance.
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  • Recon_Hawk wrote:For teams with elite QBs already on the roster (like Seattle) these top QB prospect pro days are the perfect opportunity to talk trades with other teams since every team and most GMs are in attendance.

    It's also a great way to gauge legitimate QB interest from GM's and scouts to get a gauge on where these guys are going to go. Gives John more intel on teams willing to trade up or back into the 1st, to get trade talks going. Also, how far they think they can trade back and still land guys they are interested in. All intel is good for these kind of things.
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  • Not to mention that many rookie QBs do not work out and become journeymen backups at or before their second contracts. Having a good idea of the potential a guy had and seeing what happened to him lets them self-scout their own projections and influences whether they want to bring a guy in later down the road.
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  • pacific101 wrote:I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day.


    It did? I'm pretty sure his height was the only substantial criticism that got leveled at him by ANYONE.
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  • From what I've heard Allen is a poster child for scouts and GMs falling in love with the "prototype" and getting burned after taking him with a high pick. Seemed to work in reverse for a guy like Watson, who many scouts had as a second round pick because he didn't quite fit the physical bill.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    pacific101 wrote:I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day.


    It did? I'm pretty sure his height was the only substantial criticism that got leveled at him by ANYONE.


    I remember people saying that if he was 6'2" he would be a first rounder.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:Baker Mayfield does have 'it' though.

    That would be Lauletta, and I even think his name is kind of slightly annoying. Not sure why. Maybe too many syllables. Probably not. Whatever.


    His name sounds like Harry Carey trying pronounce a much longer name.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    pacific101 wrote:I remember reading a lot of the critisisms leveled when Russell was mentioned as a draft consideration. To damn short for the NFL, and the list grew longer the closer we got to D Day.


    It did? I'm pretty sure his height was the only substantial criticism that got leveled at him by ANYONE.


    :ditto:

    Height was the only thing that was a real concern for the other teams. I'm not sure if MontanaHawk05 looked at game tape and saw his performance in the RoseBowl when he almost beat my Ducks or saw his performance at the combine. RW was on fire. Dude can throw the ball deep and was accurate, his 40 time was pretty good for a QB, and he has large hands for his size, so I'd like to see this list that MontanaHawk05 says that is out there because I just don't believe it exists.
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  • I think pacific was the one who said there were other criticisms of Russ. Montana has the same opinion as you.
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  • The assumption here is JS went to Wyoming’s pro day to just check out Allen, that fails to recognize that Wyoming has a very draftable well regarded OT/ G.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • jammerhawk wrote:The assumption here is JS went to Wyoming’s pro day to just check out Allen, that fails to recognize that Wyoming has a very draftable well regarded OT/ G.


    Schneider did say Allen is why he went, though you're right that it could have been subterfuge. They also have a little nickel corner who is sparking interest. I think the draftnik wanted to check out Allen, but who knows?
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  • Report: Seahawks went to scout Josh Allen, and Russell Wilson’s camp wants to know why

    According to Jim Trotter of the NFL Network in a segment aired Wednesday, Russell Wilson’s “camp’’ — presumably a reference to agent Mark Rodgers or someone else within the agency — called the Seahawks and asked what it meant for Wilson that the team was scouting a quarterback expected to be among the top players taken in the 2018 NFL Draft “and if there is anything we need to know.’’

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... osh-allen/
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  • My opinion of RW which may not be popular around here is actually shared by many outside of Seattle as well as the front office. RW has peaked and is not leading this team to another SB. Its time to move on.
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  • Hawkfish wrote:Report: Seahawks went to scout Josh Allen, and Russell Wilson’s camp wants to know why

    According to Jim Trotter of the NFL Network in a segment aired Wednesday, Russell Wilson’s “camp’’ — presumably a reference to agent Mark Rodgers or someone else within the agency — called the Seahawks and asked what it meant for Wilson that the team was scouting a quarterback expected to be among the top players taken in the 2018 NFL Draft “and if there is anything we need to know.’’

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... osh-allen/


    LOL. Please tell me Mark Rodgers is smarter than that. :lol:
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  • RCATES wrote:My opinion of RW which may not be popular around here is actually shared by many outside of Seattle as well as the front office.


    Link?

    RCATES wrote:RW has peaked and is not leading this team to another SB. Its time to move on.


    Wilson is coming off a year in which he led the NFL in passing touchdowns (34) and total scores (37). He also finished 2nd in total yards (3,983 passing and 586 rushing). His career QB rating is 2nd all-time in NFL history. He continues to improve, and should only get better as his offensive line improves.

    If they can get him a few more weapons, I expect a season like he had in 2015.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    RCATES wrote:My opinion of RW which may not be popular around here is actually shared by many outside of Seattle as well as the front office.


    Link?

    RCATES wrote:RW has peaked and is not leading this team to another SB. Its time to move on.


    Wilson is coming off a year in which he led the NFL in passing touchdowns (34) and total scores (37). He also finished 2nd in total yards (3,983 passing and 586 rushing). His career QB rating is 2nd all-time in NFL history. He continues to improve, and should only get better as his offensive line improves.

    If they can get him a few more weapons, I expect a season like he had in 2015.


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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    Hawkfish wrote:Report: Seahawks went to scout Josh Allen, and Russell Wilson’s camp wants to know why

    According to Jim Trotter of the NFL Network in a segment aired Wednesday, Russell Wilson’s “camp’’ — presumably a reference to agent Mark Rodgers or someone else within the agency — called the Seahawks and asked what it meant for Wilson that the team was scouting a quarterback expected to be among the top players taken in the 2018 NFL Draft “and if there is anything we need to know.’’

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... osh-allen/


    LOL. Please tell me Mark Rodgers is smarter than that. :lol:


    A team would be dumb not to scout guys like this. Just because you are unlikely to take them doesn't mean you don't do your due diligence. Any player, even RW could have a career ending accident at any moment in time. It would be beneficial to always have information on people that you might be interested in.

    I can't even count the times we've tried guys out and then nothing happened, only for a few months to pass and someone gets hurt, and suddenly we've made a quick signing.

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  • kidhawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
    Hawkfish wrote:Report: Seahawks went to scout Josh Allen, and Russell Wilson’s camp wants to know why

    According to Jim Trotter of the NFL Network in a segment aired Wednesday, Russell Wilson’s “camp’’ — presumably a reference to agent Mark Rodgers or someone else within the agency — called the Seahawks and asked what it meant for Wilson that the team was scouting a quarterback expected to be among the top players taken in the 2018 NFL Draft “and if there is anything we need to know.’’

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... osh-allen/


    LOL. Please tell me Mark Rodgers is smarter than that. :lol:


    A team would be dumb not to scout guys like this. Just because you are unlikely to take them doesn't mean you don't do your due diligence. Any player, even RW could have a career ending accident at any moment in time. It would be beneficial to always have information on people that you might be interested in.

    I can't even count the times we've tried guys out and then nothing happened, only for a few months to pass and someone gets hurt, and suddenly we've made a quick signing.

    Depth is not just the players on your roster, but as a front office, depth is also your knowledge of players outside the organization that you may find a need for one day whether by choice or by circumstances outside your control.


    Absolutely. I guess you could argue that Mark Rodgers is just doing his due diligence, as well.

    But it would be dumb to think the Seahawks are actively trying to replace Russell Wilson.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    kidhawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
    Hawkfish wrote:Report: Seahawks went to scout Josh Allen, and Russell Wilson’s camp wants to know why

    According to Jim Trotter of the NFL Network in a segment aired Wednesday, Russell Wilson’s “camp’’ — presumably a reference to agent Mark Rodgers or someone else within the agency — called the Seahawks and asked what it meant for Wilson that the team was scouting a quarterback expected to be among the top players taken in the 2018 NFL Draft “and if there is anything we need to know.’’

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... osh-allen/


    LOL. Please tell me Mark Rodgers is smarter than that. :lol:


    A team would be dumb not to scout guys like this. Just because you are unlikely to take them doesn't mean you don't do your due diligence. Any player, even RW could have a career ending accident at any moment in time. It would be beneficial to always have information on people that you might be interested in.

    I can't even count the times we've tried guys out and then nothing happened, only for a few months to pass and someone gets hurt, and suddenly we've made a quick signing.

    Depth is not just the players on your roster, but as a front office, depth is also your knowledge of players outside the organization that you may find a need for one day whether by choice or by circumstances outside your control.


    Absolutely. I guess you could argue that Mark Rodgers is just doing his due diligence, as well.

    But it would be dumb to think the Seahawks are actively trying to replace Russell Wilson.


    Assuming he's the one who called, maybe he's just bored and trying to earn some of that hefty check he got from WIlson's last contract. It'd be one thing to enquire if we signed someone that could actually replace Wilson, but to scout them? That's just overkill there.
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  • So were going to swap Cleveland's draft with ours and send them Earl and Russell then. :)

    I have to wonder how much Schotty has had a chance to evaluate Wilson, or spoken with him, I also wonder how much weight Schotty will have in player selection and what he wants in a QB.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/could-the-seahawks-trade-russell-wilson-rumors-pop-up-about-a-possible-post-2018-split/

    Might be a reason why Hawks tried to get Mahomes last draft.


    So basically the idea is to go full Redskins and alienate and undervalue our franchise QB to the point that he goes elsewhere and leaves the franchise in ruins. Wonderful plan.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/could-the-seahawks-trade-russell-wilson-rumors-pop-up-about-a-possible-post-2018-split/

    Might be a reason why Hawks tried to get Mahomes last draft.


    I read the article yesterday. CBS have really gone down in my estimations...

    If by 'rumours' they mean one guys idea then they've nailed it.

    Here's another -

    "Russell Wilson may divorce Ciara if their marriage doesn't go well in 2018"

    Media -

    "Russell Wilson isn't happy in his marriage and has also been on Tinder trying to find his new wife."

    Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.
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  • Why would our office release this information anyway?
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  • brimsalabim wrote:Why would our office release this information anyway?


    From the article it's really clear IMO that the source is Wilson's camp, not the Seahawks.

    So the question isn't what do the Hawks get out of this coming out, but instead, what does Wilson's camp get out of this coming out?

    I have no idea, of course, but my guess is that Wilson's camp wants an extension now and the Hawks want to wait another year, so Wilson's camp is pushing this out hoping that Hawks fans get upset about the threat of a complete and total rebuild and force the team's hand in doing the extension on Wilson's team's timeline.
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  • If the RW camp is pushing for $30M a year, trade him now or let him be a free agent. I'd be curious to know how many here are ok with paying a QB that kind of money? $30M for a QB will ruin your team. This teams success came when the QB was making peanuts. FO is probably trying to look at that approach again.

    Who knows. I'm all for keeping Russ (if he won't break the bank). Love the guy. He's a great, no.....an amazing QB, but not $30M amazing. No one is. Let some other team pay him $30M. I'd rather be full rebuild mode than to be hamstrung by a massive contract.
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  • RCATES wrote:My opinion of RW which may not be popular around here is actually shared by many outside of Seattle as well as the front office. RW has peaked and is not leading this team to another SB. Its time to move on.



    This take is about as bad as it gets. Actually outside of Seattle Russ is considered a top 5 elite QB who is capable of winning multiple super bowls in his future. He led the league in TD's playing behind a terrible line, historical bad running game and a system that isnt conducive to QB numbers. There is literally no one around the league that holds your position. If its "people outside of Seattle" its social media arm chair experts. Cowherd, who I'm not a fan of, recently did a segment on how great Russell is and how the league knows it yet the average fan is still slow to jump on board. But I would love to hear your sources on how the front office has soured on Russ and thinks he can't get back to a SB......
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  • Time to move on from one of the best QB's in the league, who has done nothing but win, and with class. Yeah, that's real smart. :roll:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Time to move on from one of the best QB's in the league, who has done nothing but win, and with class. Yeah, that's real smart. :roll:


    So, you have no problem with the team paying RW $30M a year?

    Also, how about a conversation without snarky comments? I know it's the internet and you are faceless, but snarky comments only make your opinions less credible. I know I need to pay heed to that at times.
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  • acctingman wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Time to move on from one of the best QB's in the league, who has done nothing but win, and with class. Yeah, that's real smart. :roll:


    So, you have no problem with the team paying RW $30M a year?

    Also, how about a conversation without snarky comments? I know it's the internet and you are faceless, but snarky comments only make your opinions less credible. I know I need to pay heed to that at times.


    Honestly? I'd be more than OK paying him $30M per.

    Provided he gets extended next summer and they tear his old deal up, his 2019 cap hit is going to be insane regardless as he will have a prorated bonus of $8,286,766 going against his cap that the team cannot get out of.

    Lets say he gets $30M per next year over a 4 year extension (5 year deal)

    $150M, $50M signing bonus

    2019 cap hit - $36,286,766 ($8,286,766 from his previous deal, $10M prorated from his new deal and $18M base salary)
    2020 cap hit - $29,000,000
    2021 cap hit - $30,000,000
    2022 cap hit - $31,000,000
    2023 cap hit - $32,000,000

    Obviously it won't be structured like that, but it's not 'that' much more than his cap hit at present which is $23,786,764 for 2018 and $25,286,766 for 2019 currently due to them converting $6.26M of his 2017 base salary into signing bonus last season.

    As usual, the cap hits in 2021/2022/2023 will be bargains at the time.

    I HATE the way the QB contract market is going but unless you're prepared to tank once every 5 years to gain a top draft pick, and then hope to God that drafted QB works out every single time the team really doesn't have much other choice. It's not Russ's fault, I guess if you wanted to put blame on anyone, place it on the teams that have allowed these contracts to grow at the rate they have.
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  • original poster wrote:
    acctingman wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Time to move on from one of the best QB's in the league, who has done nothing but win, and with class. Yeah, that's real smart. :roll:


    So, you have no problem with the team paying RW $30M a year?

    Also, how about a conversation without snarky comments? I know it's the internet and you are faceless, but snarky comments only make your opinions less credible. I know I need to pay heed to that at times.


    Honestly? I'd be more than OK paying him $30M per.

    Provided he gets extended next summer and they tear his old deal up, his 2019 cap hit is going to be insane regardless as he will have a prorated bonus of $8,286,766 going against his cap that the team cannot get out of.

    Lets say he gets $30M per next year over a 4 year extension (5 year deal)

    $150M, $50M signing bonus

    2019 cap hit - $36,286,766 ($8,286,766 from his previous deal, $10M prorated from his new deal and $18M base salary)
    2020 cap hit - $29,000,000
    2021 cap hit - $30,000,000
    2022 cap hit - $31,000,000
    2023 cap hit - $32,000,000

    Obviously it won't be structured like that, but it's not 'that' much more than his cap hit at present which is $23,786,764 for 2018 and $25,286,766 for 2019 currently due to them converting $6.26M of his 2017 base salary into signing bonus last season.

    As usual, the cap hits in 2021/2022/2023 will be bargains at the time.

    I HATE the way the QB contract market is going but unless you're prepared to tank once every 5 years to gain a top draft pick, and then hope to God that drafted QB works out every single time the team really doesn't have much other choice. It's not Russ's fault, I guess if you wanted to put blame on anyone, place it on the teams that have allowed these contracts to grow at the rate they have.


    How has "hoping to god" worked out for Cleveland??

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    RCATES wrote:My opinion of RW which may not be popular around here is actually shared by many outside of Seattle as well as the front office. RW has peaked and is not leading this team to another SB. Its time to move on.



    This take is about as bad as it gets. Actually outside of Seattle Russ is considered a top 5 elite QB who is capable of winning multiple super bowls in his future. He led the league in TD's playing behind a terrible line, historical bad running game and a system that isnt conducive to QB numbers. There is literally no one around the league that holds your position. If its "people outside of Seattle" its social media arm chair experts. Cowherd, who I'm not a fan of, recently did a segment on how great Russell is and how the league knows it yet the average fan is still slow to jump on board. But I would love to hear your sources on how the front office has soured on Russ and thinks he can't get back to a SB......


    Keep living in la la land. I could share tons of stories and article's of ex teammates of RW saying he wasn't that good and even numerous situations where current and now ex Seahawk's didn't like the praise RW was getting even while playing poorly. Not being held to the same standard. I guess in your world that doesn't mean anything. Just like JS scouting hard the last two years for a QB. It all points to the same exact thing. RW just isn't as good as some of you Homers cast him to be. Its not a bad take on my part. The opinions of players as well as the recent activity by JS clearly supports my take.
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