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  • AgentDib wrote: However, even teams like the Saints have shown that you can pull off a complete fire sale/dump year but then be competitive again very quickly just by hitting on a couple of key rookies in a draft..



    The Saints went 7-9 for three years straight rebuilding................and that's about a realistic timeline for this team with how many holes we currently have on the roster.
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  • The reason we see things differently here is I think the Saints could have gone 7-9 for ten straight years rebuilding too. Last year they killed their draft with hits on five starters in Marshon Lattimore at CB, Alex Anzalone at Will LB, Alvin Kamara at RB, Ryan Ramcyzk at OT and Marcus Williams at FS. They also added four more starter caliber players in FA with LBs AJ Klein and Alex Okafor, WR Ted Ginn and OG Larry Warford. That's why they were good in 2017 in my view, not because fans were patient in 2015 and 2016 through a baseball style three-year rebuilding plan.

    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now. If we miss on it again then we won't be, so the argument for trading Earl has less to do with a closing window and more about increasing draft picks for an expiring contract if we don't plan on resigning him.
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  • AgentDib wrote:
    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now.


    Could not agree more with this.

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    AgentDib wrote:
    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now.


    Could not agree more with this.

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    Have to have some picks to hit on the draft however, bargain bin shopping is great as far as rounds but I think it's hard to live there 100 percent of the time.
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  • AgentDib wrote:The reason we see things differently here is I think the Saints could have gone 7-9 for ten straight years rebuilding too. Last year they killed their draft with hits on five starters in Marshon Lattimore at CB, Alex Anzalone at Will LB, Alvin Kamara at RB, Ryan Ramcyzk at OT and Marcus Williams at FS. They also added four more starter caliber players in FA with LBs AJ Klein and Alex Okafor, WR Ted Ginn and OG Larry Warford. That's why they were good in 2017 in my view, not because fans were patient in 2015 and 2016 through a baseball style three-year rebuilding plan.

    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now. If we miss on it again then we won't be, so the argument for trading Earl has less to do with a closing window and more about increasing draft picks for an expiring contract if we don't plan on resigning him.


    The reason they killed it though last year is because they took those three years to purge all the dead weight in cap space off their rosters..........AND drafted well over those 2-3 years of bad records.

    I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster....................AND try and compete in now one of the hardest divisions in the NFL.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:The reason we see things differently here is I think the Saints could have gone 7-9 for ten straight years rebuilding too. Last year they killed their draft with hits on five starters in Marshon Lattimore at CB, Alex Anzalone at Will LB, Alvin Kamara at RB, Ryan Ramcyzk at OT and Marcus Williams at FS. They also added four more starter caliber players in FA with LBs AJ Klein and Alex Okafor, WR Ted Ginn and OG Larry Warford. That's why they were good in 2017 in my view, not because fans were patient in 2015 and 2016 through a baseball style three-year rebuilding plan.

    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now. If we miss on it again then we won't be, so the argument for trading Earl has less to do with a closing window and more about increasing draft picks for an expiring contract if we don't plan on resigning him.


    The reason they killed it though last year is because they took those three years to purge all the dead weight in cap space off their rosters..........AND drafted well over those 2-3 years of bad records.

    I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster....................AND try and compete in now one of the hardest divisions in the NFL.


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    That is the real reason I think Pete may be done here. He set himself up to fail when he dug too deep. Not impossible, just improbable IMO (assuming 2 more years to Pete's final year get to the playoffs).
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    AgentDib wrote:The reason we see things differently here is I think the Saints could have gone 7-9 for ten straight years rebuilding too. Last year they killed their draft with hits on five starters in Marshon Lattimore at CB, Alex Anzalone at Will LB, Alvin Kamara at RB, Ryan Ramcyzk at OT and Marcus Williams at FS. They also added four more starter caliber players in FA with LBs AJ Klein and Alex Okafor, WR Ted Ginn and OG Larry Warford. That's why they were good in 2017 in my view, not because fans were patient in 2015 and 2016 through a baseball style three-year rebuilding plan.

    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now. If we miss on it again then we won't be, so the argument for trading Earl has less to do with a closing window and more about increasing draft picks for an expiring contract if we don't plan on resigning him.


    The reason they killed it though last year is because they took those three years to purge all the dead weight in cap space off their rosters..........AND drafted well over those 2-3 years of bad records.

    I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster....................AND try and compete in now one of the hardest divisions in the NFL.


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    That is the real reason I think Pete may be done here. He set himself up to fail when he dug too deep. Not impossible, just improbable IMO (assuming 2 more years to Pete's final year get to the playoffs).

    As much as it is Pets’s Fault, and it is, John had a pretty severe part of the blame as well.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster...

    I've been pretty vocal about not liking them going all-in last year either and think our current issues are largely self inflicted. That being said, I expect us to make 9+ selections in the draft and pick up another dozen UDFAs. If you're willing to look at a world where we hit on many of those picks then our roster looks dramatically rosier. I currently see two large holes on the roster at LG and RCB and smaller holes at RB and pass rush. I'd also feel okay at RCB if the eventual thought is to cut Avril to make room for Shead.

    Let's say we trade Earl to the Chargers for #48 and #84, then trade #18 to the Panthers for #24 and #85. Those are both individually plausible. It's much less plausible to assume that all of our draft picks turn out well, but imagine something like this where they do.

    #24: CB Josh Jackson starts at RCB
    #48: OG Connor Williams starts at LG
    #84: RB Rashaad Penny shares carries with a healthy Chris Carson
    #85: DE Uchenna Nwosu contributes to the pass rush rotation
    #120: TE Dalton Schultz provides a red zone target for RW
    #141: OT Chukwama Okorafor backs up an improved Ifedi at RT
    #148: WR Allen Lazard provides another big target for RW
    #168: S Terrell Edmunds replaces Tyson as utility safety/NCB
    #226: K Eddy Pineiro is our new PK
    #248: OLB Chris Covington looks great behind KJ at WILL
    #250: DT Bill Nichols slots into the rotation with Naz and Jarran
    UDFA: QB Logan Woodside fills the mobile backup spot for RW

    Obviously that's unlikely, but if you add versions of those players who succeed in the NFL to our existing roster then we look very dominant. In reality we don't need everything to hit as we're also taking fliers on FAs like Fluker, Mingo, Dickson, Alexander and Fowler. Plugging our biggest holes with difference makers would have us in playoff contention.

    It sounds boring to say that we need a good draft because it's so obvious, but it's the sort of obvious point that everybody acknowledges but then immediately moves onto focusing on much less important things because they are more interesting.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:The reason we see things differently here is I think the Saints could have gone 7-9 for ten straight years rebuilding too. Last year they killed their draft with hits on five starters in Marshon Lattimore at CB, Alex Anzalone at Will LB, Alvin Kamara at RB, Ryan Ramcyzk at OT and Marcus Williams at FS. They also added four more starter caliber players in FA with LBs AJ Klein and Alex Okafor, WR Ted Ginn and OG Larry Warford. That's why they were good in 2017 in my view, not because fans were patient in 2015 and 2016 through a baseball style three-year rebuilding plan.

    Why this matters to me is fan expectations for 2018. If we hit on the draft this year then I fully expect us to be competitive now. If we miss on it again then we won't be, so the argument for trading Earl has less to do with a closing window and more about increasing draft picks for an expiring contract if we don't plan on resigning him.


    The reason they killed it though last year is because they took those three years to purge all the dead weight in cap space off their rosters..........AND drafted well over those 2-3 years of bad records.

    I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster....................AND try and compete in now one of the hardest divisions in the NFL.


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    That is the real reason I think Pete may be done here. He set himself up to fail when he dug too deep. Not impossible, just improbable IMO (assuming 2 more years to Pete's final year get to the playoffs).

    As much as it is Pets’s Fault, and it is, John had a pretty severe part of the blame as well.

    Pete is also in a relatively unique situation. He is one of the select few coaches in the NFL that has the final say in every move the FO makes. Everything goes runs through Pete -- in fact it was Pete himself who hired John Schneider in the first place. Schneider and Carroll come as a team, if one falls so does the other. They both shoulder for the blame for success or lack thereof. Objectively they are both at fault.

    This puts the tandem in question in an interesting spot. Our team has been slowly declining in every year following that ill fated Superbowl. If the team sinks deeper into the abyss of cesspool of mediocrity I don't think Carroll is going to be around come this time next year. Paul Allen has already shown that he is willing to cut bait if he doesn't like the direction the team is moving. Carroll is in a position where he needs to silence doubters, and quick. I think he, himself really doesn't want to linger in the NFL for more than two years given his age. Quite frankly I'm surprised he didn't retire. The Carroll on the sideline looked like an old man. The previous luster, and energy Carroll possessed was replaced by anger. He looked frustrated, and at some times indifferent.

    Given Carroll's age, and the teams downward slope, I think it is reasonable to say that he is looking for a quick jolt. This is why I think talks about Carroll trading Wilson is insanity. I think Carroll is on the right track here by getting rid of Sherman, and Bennett. Sherman received a massive injury, and he was a controversial figure. There were murmurs that Seattle was looking to trade him last season as well. I think we can assume that there was something Sherman did to get on Pete's bad side. Bennett got traded because he was a distraction -- and the fact that started showing his age in the second half of the season. Bennett also struggled to play within the confines of the defense, plus he was one of the most penalized players in football last season. Sloppy play all around by Bennett.

    I think addition by subtraction was the right move here. I think trading Earl is the right move as well. I don't think he wants to be a 'Hawk anymore. I also think he doesn't buy into what Pete is selling. His criticism of his teammates on social media and Cowboys stunt really are some big red flags to me as a fan. The firings of Cable, Bev, and Richard were also good moves. Richard couldn't reign in his players, neither could Bev, and Cable was just a horrible line coach. All of our new hires are militaristic, old school style of coaches -- meaning Carroll wants to bring back some semblance of structure to his organization.

    I'm also a fan of not signing some high dollar free agent given our cap situation. We went with the role players, and value picks. I'm okay with this. Depend on the June cuts, and the draft, I think we can compete. I think we're going to look more to players that can contribute more NOW, rather than later with our strategy. I have a sneaking suspicion that a player such as Guice may be our first pick.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    The reason they killed it though last year is because they took those three years to purge all the dead weight in cap space off their rosters..........AND drafted well over those 2-3 years of bad records.

    I appreciate your optimism, but you need to explain to me how we're going to fill holes and depth at just about every position with very little cap space and picks this year to a SB caliber roster....................AND try and compete in now one of the hardest divisions in the NFL.


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    That is the real reason I think Pete may be done here. He set himself up to fail when he dug too deep. Not impossible, just improbable IMO (assuming 2 more years to Pete's final year get to the playoffs).

    As much as it is Pets’s Fault, and it is, John had a pretty severe part of the blame as well.

    Pete is also in a relatively unique situation. He is one of the select few coaches in the NFL that has the final say in every move the FO makes. Everything goes runs through Pete -- in fact it was Pete himself who hired John Schneider in the first place. Schneider and Carroll come as a team, if one falls so does the other. They both shoulder for the blame for success or lack thereof. Objectively they are both at fault.

    This puts the tandem in question in an interesting spot. Our team has been slowly declining in every year following that ill fated Superbowl. If the team sinks deeper into the abyss of cesspool of mediocrity I don't think Carroll is going to be around come this time next year. Paul Allen has already shown that he is willing to cut bait if he doesn't like the direction the team is moving. Carroll is in a position where he needs to silence doubters, and quick. I think he, himself really doesn't want to linger in the NFL for more than two years given his age. Quite frankly I'm surprised he didn't retire. The Carroll on the sideline looked like an old man. The previous luster, and energy Carroll possessed was replaced by anger. He looked frustrated, and at some times indifferent.

    Given Carroll's age, and the teams downward slope, I think it is reasonable to say that he is looking for a quick jolt. This is why I think talks about Carroll trading Wilson is insanity. I think Carroll is on the right track here by getting rid of Sherman, and Bennett. Sherman received a massive injury, and he was a controversial figure. There were murmurs that Seattle was looking to trade him last season as well. I think we can assume that there was something Sherman did to get on Pete's bad side. Bennett got traded because he was a distraction -- and the fact that started showing his age in the second half of the season. Bennett also struggled to play within the confines of the defense, plus he was one of the most penalized players in football last season. Sloppy play all around by Bennett.

    I think addition by subtraction was the right move here. I think trading Earl is the right move as well. I don't think he wants to be a 'Hawk anymore. I also think he doesn't buy into what Pete is selling. His criticism of his teammates on social media and Cowboys stunt really are some big red flags to me as a fan. The firings of Cable, Bev, and Richard were also good moves. Richard couldn't reign in his players, neither could Bev, and Cable was just a horrible line coach. All of our new hires are militaristic, old school style of coaches -- meaning Carroll wants to bring back some semblance of structure to his organization.

    I'm also a fan of not signing some high dollar free agent given our cap situation. We went with the role players, and value picks. I'm okay with this. Depend on the June cuts, and the draft, I think we can compete. I think we're going to look more to players that can contribute more NOW, rather than later with our strategy. I have a sneaking suspicion that a player such as Guice may be our first pick.

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  • AgentDib wrote:
    It sounds boring to say that we need a good draft because it's so obvious, but it's the sort of obvious point that everybody acknowledges but then immediately moves onto focusing on much less important things because they are more interesting.


    But that's the thing, we need more than just one good draft, especially if we don't trade Earl.

    Remember, we're talking SB caliber roster, and we saw first hand what that has to look like to win a SB. What you've line out is;

    1. Hit on majority of picks (even though we have no 2nd and 3rd round picks to hit on, and if we trade back, we then also don't have a high 1st anymore either).

    2. Scrap heap FA class this year to all of a sudden play way over their heads. Unlikely.

    3. Multiple UFA's to also hit. Also highly unlikely.

    Yes, we can get some of the depth and talent back on this roster with a high hit rate in this year's draft, and that can greatly improve if we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Earl.

    THEN, and only then am I on board that IF we hit on 80% of our picks, and when I say "hit" I I mean rival that first draft class where 2-3 All Pro's are born. Again again, with JS and PC's track record the past 3-4 years? Wait for it...........................................unlikely.

    You think this team can compete next year, and all you've done (while appreciated) is line out a perfect storm scenario. Just isn't happening in 2018, and probably not in 2019 either, because Pete and John compromised that draft as well.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    It sounds boring to say that we need a good draft because it's so obvious, but it's the sort of obvious point that everybody acknowledges but then immediately moves onto focusing on much less important things because they are more interesting.


    But that's the thing, we need more than just one good draft, especially if we don't trade Earl.

    Remember, we're talking SB caliber roster, and we saw first hand what that has to look like to win a SB. What you've line out is;

    1. Hit on majority of picks (even though we have no 2nd and 3rd round picks to hit on, and if we trade back, we then also don't have a high 1st anymore either).

    2. Scrap heap FA class this year to all of a sudden play way over their heads. Unlikely.

    3. Multiple UFA's to also hit. Also highly unlikely.

    Yes, we can get some of the depth and talent back on this roster with a high hit rate in this year's draft, and that can greatly improve if we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Earl.

    THEN, and only then am I on board that IF we hit on 80% of our picks, and when I say "hit" I I mean rival that first draft class where 2-3 All Pro's are born. Again again, with JS and PC's track record the past 3-4 years? Wait for it...........................................unlikely.

    You think this team can compete next year, and all you've done (while appreciated) is line out a perfect storm scenario. Just isn't happening in 2018, and probably not in 2019 either, because Pete and John compromised that draft as well.

    Solid points. Still not on board with trading ET (don’t wish to rehash that :)) but I see where you are coming from after reading this, which is why I’m for trading a couple of other “defensive studs” if ET is traded.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:
    It sounds boring to say that we need a good draft because it's so obvious, but it's the sort of obvious point that everybody acknowledges but then immediately moves onto focusing on much less important things because they are more interesting.


    But that's the thing, we need more than just one good draft, especially if we don't trade Earl.

    Remember, we're talking SB caliber roster, and we saw first hand what that has to look like to win a SB. What you've line out is;

    1. Hit on majority of picks (even though we have no 2nd and 3rd round picks to hit on, and if we trade back, we then also don't have a high 1st anymore either).

    2. Scrap heap FA class this year to all of a sudden play way over their heads. Unlikely.

    3. Multiple UFA's to also hit. Also highly unlikely.

    Yes, we can get some of the depth and talent back on this roster with a high hit rate in this year's draft, and that can greatly improve if we can get a 2nd and 3rd for Earl.

    THEN, and only then am I on board that IF we hit on 80% of our picks, and when I say "hit" I I mean rival that first draft class where 2-3 All Pro's are born. Again again, with JS and PC's track record the past 3-4 years? Wait for it...........................................unlikely.

    You think this team can compete next year, and all you've done (while appreciated) is line out a perfect storm scenario. Just isn't happening in 2018, and probably not in 2019 either, because Pete and John compromised that draft as well.

    I don't think we are as far away from Super Bowl contention as you think. With a roster plagued by injury, and distraction the Seahawks were still in the fray until the very end. We would have made the playoffs if our kicker was even mediocre. We lost some players, sure -- but I think we could let go of them due to the play we got out of our backups and rotational guys.

    On the defensive line Clark, Reed, Jackson, Jones, and Jordan all looked solid during the season. Each of them came up with explosive plays at some point. Gap integrity was the huge problem here, and this is one of the reasons that I think Richard was shown the door. Richardson when asked about the Seahawks scheme vs. his old one with the NY Jets said that they just line up and kind of do whatever, where as in NY they stuck to their assignment. I don't think that individual play of any of our lineman was the issue here, I believe it was lack of discipline and poor scheming on Richards part. KJ, and Wagner are coming back, they are a solid duo, although we are in desperate need for somebody fill the other OLB role. In the secondary Griffin looked very, very good for a rookie. It was reminiscent of a young Sherman getting his first starts. I think this core, even without Thomas, Chancellor, Bennett, and Avril at least provides us with a top 15 defense.

    Offense is where the magic is going to have to happen. I believe our defense is good enough, but this is where most of the gains are going to have to be made in order for us to be competitive. Everything is going to start and end with Russ if we want to have a chance this season.I really think that WR we picked up from the Cardinals was a good fit for our team. I think he could potentially replace Richardson's production. With Lockett, he has the skill set to be a full time slot receiver, but he needs to put those skills together and stay healthy. He has the potential to be a great role player for this offense, and chain mover. TE is the major question mark when it comes to receiving core. We don't really have a pass catching TE on this roster.

    The line coming together is going to be the biggest question mark. They don't even need to play good, they just need to be mediocre and we have a chance. I think hiring Solari, and getting away from Tom Cables system was absolutely the right idea. I think that, in itself is going to make the same group of guys play better. The acquisition of Fluker will not improve our pass PRO that much, but it will make our line much better at opening up holes. The guy is a road grader. Fant coming back should improve our depth, and our rookie guard, Pocic has also put on a lot of weight and muscle. His main issue was being susceptible to the bull rush.

    I think no matter what happens, our line will play better next year than they did this. Our run game is going to be better just by virtue of the addition of DJ Fluker. At least the left side of the line will have played together for a decent amount of time, and got a feel for each others tendencies (Brown, Procic, Britt). This leaves the last issue we have, and that is at running back. None of our running backs are durable, we need to add someone to the mix here. I'm convinced that the play here is going to be to go for a RB in the first round. I'm just feeling it. I think we're going to end up with Guice. If we do end up with him we will have a solid backfield. We also have the potential to get another immediate contributor by trading Thomas come draft day.

    I don't think we are in the worst spot. We have a franchise QB, and one of the better WR's in the league in Doug Baldwin. If you have these two things, with some savvy moves a team can always be in contention.
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  • Spin Doctor wrote:I don't think we are as far away from Super Bowl contention as you think. With a roster plagued by injury, and distraction the Seahawks were still in the fray until the very end. We would have made the playoffs if our kicker was even mediocre. We lost some players, sure -- but I think we could let go of them due to the play we got out of our backups and rotational guys.


    I think you're confusing being in contention to squeak into a wildcard spot at 10-6 instead of 9-7, and have a SB caliber roster getting to 14-2, 13-3 type record and securing the #1 seed........which we've found out this team needs to get to the SB.

    HUGE difference.

    Believe me, I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right. But I see a horribly depleted roster that even if we draft well this year is light years away from the talent needed to get back to a SB.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:I don't think we are as far away from Super Bowl contention as you think. With a roster plagued by injury, and distraction the Seahawks were still in the fray until the very end. We would have made the playoffs if our kicker was even mediocre. We lost some players, sure -- but I think we could let go of them due to the play we got out of our backups and rotational guys.


    I think you're confusing being in contention to squeak into a wildcard spot at 10-6 instead of 9-7, and have a SB caliber roster getting to 14-2, 13-3 type record and securing the #1 seed........which we've found out this team needs to get to the SB.

    HUGE difference.

    Believe me, I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right. But I see a horribly depleted roster that even if we draft well this year is light years away from the talent needed to get back to a SB.


    Somewhat agree except I think with 2 strong drafts and some better FA moves this team could be 2 years from getting back (not light years away after 1)
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Spin Doctor wrote:I don't think we are as far away from Super Bowl contention as you think. With a roster plagued by injury, and distraction the Seahawks were still in the fray until the very end. We would have made the playoffs if our kicker was even mediocre. We lost some players, sure -- but I think we could let go of them due to the play we got out of our backups and rotational guys.


    I think you're confusing being in contention to squeak into a wildcard spot at 10-6 instead of 9-7, and have a SB caliber roster getting to 14-2, 13-3 type record and securing the #1 seed........which we've found out this team needs to get to the SB.

    HUGE difference.

    Believe me, I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right. But I see a horribly depleted roster that even if we draft well this year is light years away from the talent needed to get back to a SB.


    Somewhat agree except I think with 2 strong drafts and some better FA moves this team could be 2 years from getting back (not light years away after 1)


    I said this earlier in this thread, I think it's a 2-3 year plan. IF we hit on the draft, and IF we do better with UFA's, and IF we do better with free agency.

    Others are arguing with me and seem to think we're all of a sudden going to stack this roster with SB talent in one year.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:I don't think we are as far away from Super Bowl contention as you think. With a roster plagued by injury, and distraction the Seahawks were still in the fray until the very end. We would have made the playoffs if our kicker was even mediocre. We lost some players, sure -- but I think we could let go of them due to the play we got out of our backups and rotational guys.


    I think you're confusing being in contention to squeak into a wildcard spot at 10-6 instead of 9-7, and have a SB caliber roster getting to 14-2, 13-3 type record and securing the #1 seed........which we've found out this team needs to get to the SB.

    HUGE difference.

    Believe me, I hope I'm wrong and you guys are right. But I see a horribly depleted roster that even if we draft well this year is light years away from the talent needed to get back to a SB.


    Somewhat agree except I think with 2 strong drafts and some better FA moves this team could be 2 years from getting back (not light years away after 1)


    I said this earlier in this thread, I think it's a 2-3 year plan. IF we hit on the draft, and IF we do better with UFA's, and IF we do better with free agency.

    Others are arguing with me and seem to think we're all of a sudden going to stack this roster with SB talent in one year.


    I think drafting got better last year, but I don't quite see the reason for optimism to think it WILL happen. I do still have some reserved hope it CAN though. :2thumbs:
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  • Isn't it likely that everything will be thrown out the window on draft day if no trade has materialized by then. Teams often like to play things very close to the vest, but once the draft starts falling in place and players start coming off the board left and right it seems like teams have a tendency to get to dealing pretty quickly for their guys.
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