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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:18 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
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    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine drills. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    Penny is high cut. He's got long, slender legs and skinny thighs in comparison to the typical NFL RB. Maybe it's a good thing because it makes him as fast as a race horse. I'm just concerned about injuries, when combined with his upright running style.


    And i think that's a major stretch and nitpicky. Were going to have to agree to disagree on that one bro.


    Maybe, we'll see. It's always bothered me about him. And the fact that he hasn't performed well against good run defenses, which is the typical defense in the NFL.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:27 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm OK with the pick, although I would have preferred Hernandez as a sure fire road grating guard to finally solidify this terrible line. Could plug that dude right in.

    Only problem I have with Penny is I'm already hearing Pete saying he's going to share carries and be on special teams. I guess that's fine? But if you're drafting a RB in the first round, he better be your 25 carriers a game bell cow back.

    I feel like you can get a sharing carries RB/kick returner later in the draft.


    That's exactly what he is. A bell cow back with 30 + carries a game. Plus huge special teams value and mostly major injury free. He is an absolutely great pick for you.


    If he's getting 30 carries a game, then I'm doubtful he's doing special teams return. That's a lot of work per game. A lot.


    I've already heard people say it's unlikely he plays special teams I guess we'll see . If he turns out to be as good as we hope he will be they won't risk an injury on special teams. Pete says a lot of things after a draft about how players will be used then changed in camp and preseason.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm OK with the pick, although I would have preferred Hernandez as a sure fire road grating guard to finally solidify this terrible line. Could plug that dude right in.

    Only problem I have with Penny is I'm already hearing Pete saying he's going to share carries and be on special teams. I guess that's fine? But if you're drafting a RB in the first round, he better be your 25 carriers a game bell cow back.

    I feel like you can get a sharing carries RB/kick returner later in the draft.


    That's exactly what he is. A bell cow back with 30 + carries a game. Plus huge special teams value and mostly major injury free. He is an absolutely great pick for you.


    If he's getting 30 carries a game, then I'm doubtful he's doing special teams return. That's a lot of work per game. A lot.


    I've already heard people say it's unlikely he plays special teams I guess we'll see . If he turns out to be as good as we hope he will be they won't risk an injury on special teams. Pete says a lot of things after a draft about how players will be used then changed in camp and preseason.


    Yeah, Carroll and Schneider were pretty adamant and excited about getting him kick return reps. Sounds like he would split reps with Lockett. A couple returns a game probably isn't a big deal, unless he gets hurt.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:33 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
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    I'm going to agree with you to the extent Guice might be the better player when all is said and done . That said there were 3 backs I wanted Seattle to draft Guice Penny or Jones. Here's the thing you need to keep in mind . He's 5'11 220 is a three down back was lights out in college doesn't fumble .Played basically the same against the tougher schools. He catches the ball well out of the backfield ran a 4.46 . The thin legs thing I went back and looked at his combine I didn't see that they look normal to me. So I would finish with this if he plays up to his potential we have nothing at all to be concerned about.


    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine drills. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    Penny is high cut. He's got long, slender legs and skinny thighs in comparison to the typical NFL RB. Maybe it's a good thing because it makes him as fast as a race horse. I'm just concerned about injuries, when combined with his upright running style.


    Penny is NOT high cut. He DOES NOT have long slender legs or skinny thighs. I'm not sure where you are getting your misinformation from. There is so much BS about Penny on the internet it's incredible. Stop looking at those so called "expert" sites and "analyst" sites. These are the same sites that think they know something about him and thought he would be drafted much later. They have no idea what they are talking about. They don't watch San Diego State. They don't get many nationally televised games. He's 5'11" 220 lbs. He's not 6'3" 190 lbs. He has strong stocky legs. I've gone to every single game. I have season tickets. Even by the eyeball test his legs are strong and stocky and they are powerful too. He does not have this problem.

    As far as upright running style they said the same thing about Eric Dickerson and Adrian Peterson. They run upright all the way to the endzone. The same thing Penny will do. He knows to lower his pad level when the contact comes and he does do that. He will run you over when the contact and tacklers come. He will strategically get lower when he has to in a pile or in a crowd. He does not run upright all the time. In the open field with speed he will run a bit more upright because he has the speed to get past you. He will get past you and not get touched or tackled sometimes and chew up as many yards as possible as fast as possible.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:36 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm OK with the pick, although I would have preferred Hernandez as a sure fire road grating guard to finally solidify this terrible line. Could plug that dude right in.

    Only problem I have with Penny is I'm already hearing Pete saying he's going to share carries and be on special teams. I guess that's fine? But if you're drafting a RB in the first round, he better be your 25 carriers a game bell cow back.

    I feel like you can get a sharing carries RB/kick returner later in the draft.


    That's exactly what he is. A bell cow back with 30 + carries a game. Plus huge special teams value and mostly major injury free. He is an absolutely great pick for you.


    If he's getting 30 carries a game, then I'm doubtful he's doing special teams return. That's a lot of work per game. A lot.


    I've already heard people say it's unlikely he plays special teams I guess we'll see . If he turns out to be as good as we hope he will be they won't risk an injury on special teams. Pete says a lot of things after a draft about how players will be used then changed in camp and preseason.


    So probably more like 20 carries per game plus some returning duties.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:43 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
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    I just don't think Penny's game translates as well to the NFL as Guice's. But reasonable minds can disagree.

    The new post-McDowell policy was almost certainly a factor.


    I'm going to agree with you to the extent Guice might be the better player when all is said and done . That said there were 3 backs I wanted Seattle to draft Guice Penny or Jones. Here's the thing you need to keep in mind . He's 5'11 220 is a three down back was lights out in college doesn't fumble .Played basically the same against the tougher schools. He catches the ball well out of the backfield ran a 4.46 . The thin legs thing I went back and looked at his combine I didn't see that they look normal to me. So I would finish with this if he plays up to his potential we have nothing at all to be concerned about.


    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    It's not a thing and it's totally absurd. I'm glad you agree.

    He's the 2nd best RB in this draft by far. It's not close. Guice has no claim to being better than Penny by any measurement or metric at all. You are telling me a guy who runs slower, has way less production, way less special teams value is better? Based on what? So called "expert sites" again. Because we are getting nationally televised games at LSU. Plus not getting nationally televised games at San Diego State. Penny is better period. You could argue he may have a better career than Barkley.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:45 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
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    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine drills. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    Penny is high cut. He's got long, slender legs and skinny thighs in comparison to the typical NFL RB. Maybe it's a good thing because it makes him as fast as a race horse. I'm just concerned about injuries, when combined with his upright running style.


    And i think that's a major stretch and nitpicky. Were going to have to agree to disagree on that one bro.


    Maybe, we'll see. It's always bothered me about him. And the fact that he hasn't performed well against good run defenses, which is the typical defense in the NFL.


    Like i said i could make the same arguement against Jones and it would be just as rediculous . 216 at ASU and Penny is really all they had . You have concerns about the pick there's always going to be concerns but are they justifiable i'm not sold on your arguements. You may be right you could be wrong we'll see. I refuse to be negative about a really good prospect like Penny until I see them play. I'm never shy about ripping a player, for instance i'm far more concerned about our Center than Penny he gave up way to much ground at the point attack last year . Who's going to play RT and will he be a liability. These are much more concerning to me than our rookie RB.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:48 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:I'm OK with the pick, although I would have preferred Hernandez as a sure fire road grating guard to finally solidify this terrible line. Could plug that dude right in.

    Only problem I have with Penny is I'm already hearing Pete saying he's going to share carries and be on special teams. I guess that's fine? But if you're drafting a RB in the first round, he better be your 25 carriers a game bell cow back.

    I feel like you can get a sharing carries RB/kick returner later in the draft.


    That's exactly what he is. A bell cow back with 30 + carries a game. Plus huge special teams value and mostly major injury free. He is an absolutely great pick for you.


    If he's getting 30 carries a game, then I'm doubtful he's doing special teams return. That's a lot of work per game. A lot.


    It's up to you how you use him. He had 7 kick returns for a TD. Which is tied for an FBS record. It is all the more impressive when you consider they didn't even kick to him. They were terrified to kick off to him. He would have 15 kick return TD's if they actually did kick off to him. He has awesome, awesome return value.

    Now it's up to Pete Carroll how to use that. Maybe he will just use it the playoffs only where he will be an extra special weapon on special teams. You don't want to wear him out or get him hurt. So maybe you do it once in a while on special occasions. As the need arises in tight games where you need an extra boost.

    I'm just saying he is GREAT at it and I mean GREAT! Not good. So it's up to your coaching staff how you use that, how often, playoffs only, once in a while regular season, in unique regular season games and how many carries per game at RB. They have to work all that out. But it's an awesome problem to have IMO to have that ability sitting there if you need it and when you need it.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:08 am
  • SanDiego49er wrote:
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    I'm going to agree with you to the extent Guice might be the better player when all is said and done . That said there were 3 backs I wanted Seattle to draft Guice Penny or Jones. Here's the thing you need to keep in mind . He's 5'11 220 is a three down back was lights out in college doesn't fumble .Played basically the same against the tougher schools. He catches the ball well out of the backfield ran a 4.46 . The thin legs thing I went back and looked at his combine I didn't see that they look normal to me. So I would finish with this if he plays up to his potential we have nothing at all to be concerned about.


    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    It's not a thing and it's totally absurd. I'm glad you agree.

    He's the 2nd best RB in this draft by far. It's not close. Guice has no claim to being better than Penny by any measurement or metric at all. You are telling me a guy who runs slower, has way less production, way less special teams value is better? Based on what? So called "expert sites" again. Because we are getting nationally televised games at LSU. Plus not getting nationally televised games at San Diego State. Penny is better period. You could argue he may have a better career than Barkley.


    When you say he's the seond best RB in the draft by far it's not close you lose credibility, but i hope your right.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:22 am
  • MrThortan wrote:From reading around, it seems widely accepted among pundits that this was the worst pick in the first round :0190l:

    Hopefully he will be worth every Penny in the long run :P


    The pundits’ opinions were based on:

    1. He wasn’t worthy of first round, he will be available in later rounds:
    He would have taken by the Patriots if we didn’t so that makes two premiere teams saying he is worthy of first round, and he wouldn’t be available in round 2.

    2. He wasn’t the second best RB in this draft:
    This is very debatable, Penny certainly has the best stat and quite a few mock drafts had him as second best RB in this draft.

    3. Hawks need more help on OL then RB:
    Again debatable as we don’t have a staple of proven RBs. Carson may not be 100% (if ever after the major injury) and he isn’t proven anyways. Davis? Nah. Then we have Mr. glass and a third down back.

    Besides, a good back can make a so so OL look better, a good back will taken pressure off Russ.

    Here, as a 12, I endorse Pete’s logic.




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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:40 am
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    Probably the Browns, which would jive with the rumor that they wanted to take him at No. 33.

    So whether this makes you feel better about the pick probably depends on whether you trust the Browns' player evaluation.


    Well if you are a fan of Scott McLaughlin then you should be a fan of this as he now works for the Browns.


    If the Browns were the team that called Seattle after they picked, then it just proves they have no idea how to draft.

    The Browns first two picks sucked. They should have drafted Barkley. Now they only have Guice or Chubb to pick from, both of which are underwhelming imo.


    According to Clayton NE were taking Penny if we didn't . Now even if you believe they had Sony rated higher and I do not and weren't going to take Rashaad I'd still take Penny over Sony everytime .


    According some experts on this forum, John lied about another team called to trade for Penny after he was drafted, those expert might claim that Clayton lied about NE were taking Penny too?




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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:42 am
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    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    It's not a thing and it's totally absurd. I'm glad you agree.

    He's the 2nd best RB in this draft by far. It's not close. Guice has no claim to being better than Penny by any measurement or metric at all. You are telling me a guy who runs slower, has way less production, way less special teams value is better? Based on what? So called "expert sites" again. Because we are getting nationally televised games at LSU. Plus not getting nationally televised games at San Diego State. Penny is better period. You could argue he may have a better career than Barkley.


    When you say he's the seond best RB in the draft by far it's not close you lose credibility, but i hope your right.


    Based on what? His production is off the charts. As far as a size, speed, power prospect only Barkley can claim to be faster. Nobody else is the physical specimen that Penny is in this draft. His return abilities are far better than anybody in the class. His production was far better than anybody in the class. He was so good at receiving the ball they thought at one time of putting him at WR at San Diego State but decided his RB value was higher. There is no question he is the 2nd best RB in the class. He may have a better career than Barkley.

    The so called self described "draft experts" are arm chair guys who watch a few nationally televised games and think they know something. Guess what LSU, Georgia and USC get nationally televised games. San Deigo State Aztecs don't. They have no idea what Penny is and have never even seen him play. He's fast, explosive, powerful, long speed, quick cuts and moves, excellent vision, catches really well and returns out of this world. He is an all world return man. Penny is awesome. They just haven't seen him play and lack familiarity with him. The same thing many people on here have. It's the same exact problem.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:09 pm
  • Yeah this guy runs too upright and has thin thighs must have sucked as a pro.



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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:20 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Yeah this guy runs too upright and has thin thighs must have sucked as a pro.





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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:20 pm
  • Penny may turn out better than Barkley.We won't know until they play.
    I hope so because people get too wrapped up in big school players
    and it's not always what the media spins it off to be.
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Re: Pick #27
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  • IndyHawk wrote:Penny may turn out better than Barkley.We won't know until they play.
    I hope so because people get too wrapped up in big school players
    and it's not always what the media spins it off to be.


    That's it. It's just media spin and big name program recognition. Heck the big programs even have publicity departments that hype their guys and their program. San Diego State just goes to the games and plays. Penny didn't get the nationally televised games. People just have no idea what he is at all and they are speaking from ignorance. They are not necessarily bad people. They just don't realize it and have no idea that the so called "analysts" also just watch the nationally televised games.

    Penny has a big disadvantage in name familiarity and the number of people who have watched him play. They just haven't seen him and don't realize how good he is. But what I can tell you is he is very special in many different aspects. If he can stay healthy and you put a decent O Line in front of him he will do really well I believe. He's a really great player and a great dynamic athlete too. To top it off he is a clean cut kid from a good family and a hard worker too. He's a team player and it's not all about him. I think he will do really good for you guys and you will be proud.

    All a lot of the people criticizing him have just never seen him play and don't realize what he really is and what he can be. When he plays some games or a lot of games as long as he is healthy I think a lot of people will be on board. You have to block too and I understand there are some issues on the O Line. But if they can put something decent together for him Penny will be a great back for you.
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:34 pm
  • They said the same thing about Faulk as well, competition and small school and all. If a guy has it he has it.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:40 pm
  • Penny was #2 in the NCAA in total TDs. He had 24. That has been missing with the Seahawks the past couple of seasons. No consistent TDs from the backs. If he can add that, it's an definite plus. If they had a couple of more tds last season, they would have made the playoffs and probably would have hosted a game or two. That was the difference between making it and not. Hopefully, Penny can help fix that issue.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:03 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:They said the same thing about Faulk as well, competition and small school and all. If a guy has it he has it.


    Yes Penny has it. Yes Marshall Faulk proves you can be a Super Star from any program. San Diego State BTW is not really a small school. It's a big school. It's just a less known program or less publicized as compared to Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Alabama and others for example. Some just are the prominent football programs and get the publicity. San Diego State has had pros over the years. In fact they get drafted pretty much every year and have many current pros. It's just he prominence of the other programs gave huge publicity to some of the others while Penny got none. But he is a great, great player. People just have not seen him play including on here and therefore don't understand at all what he is and repeat stuff they see on armchair "draft expert" sites. Which don't have a clue about him either.

    Yes Penny has it. More of it than you think. He is very gifted.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:05 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:Penny was #2 in the NCAA in total TDs. He had 24. That has been missing with the Seahawks the past couple of seasons. No consistent TDs from the backs. If he can add that, it's an definite plus. If they had a couple of more tds last season, they would have made the playoffs and probably would have hosted a game or two. That was the difference between making it and not. Hopefully, Penny can help fix that issue.


    Penny pretty much lives in the endzone. It will be like his 2nd home. He will spend lots of time in there. It's what he does as a RB, a receiver out of the backfield and as a return man on special teams. He can score multiple different ways and he does.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:35 pm
  • Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:18 pm
  • SanDiego49er wrote:Marshall Faulk proves you can be a Super Star from any program.

    I'll forgive you because you're not a Seahawks fan, but former Seahawks QB Dave Krieg is from Milton College, which is so small it doesn't even exist anymore. You don't need to convince anyone around here that good players can come from anywhere. Well, maybe some of the newbies.

    However, just because it can happen doesn't mean it always happens. We'll all hold our breath and see if Penny can transition to the real game where he's being chased down by superstars in their own right. Not everyone can - even players from the most prestigious schools can have trouble transitioning.

    If Penny can, however, he'll be a good one.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:17 pm
  • jeremiah wrote:Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.

    I've lived on two reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here, Scooter.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:18 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    jeremiah wrote:Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.

    I've lived on tw2o reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Don't even go there. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here.



    Couldn't the converse argument be made about the Cowboys? Just sayin...... I ain't no cowboy.
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    jeremiah wrote:Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.

    I've lived on tw2o reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Don't even go there. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here.



    Couldn't the converse argument be made about the Cowboys? Just sayin...... I ain't no cowboy.

    No. Not int he slightest. There's a difference between a Brave and Redskin just like there's a difference between Cowboy and Masters or White Inbreeds. It's not remotely the same thing.
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Re: Pick #27
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    jeremiah wrote:Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.

    I've lived on tw2o reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Don't even go there. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here.



    Couldn't the converse argument be made about the Cowboys? Just sayin...... I ain't no cowboy.

    No. Not int he slightest. There's a difference between a Brave and Redskin just like there's a difference between Cowboy and Masters or C@#$@#$@s.


    Nah... not buying it. I'd be pretty offended if someone called me a cowboy in a bar. Even more so if I were called a Cowboys fan.
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:24 pm
  • And actually, a lot of dudes that think they're Cowboys aren't either. They might as well be running around in knights armor like an idiot. Like they're going to a costume party or something...
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:25 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:I've lived on tw2o reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Don't even go there. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here.



    Couldn't the converse argument be made about the Cowboys? Just sayin...... I ain't no cowboy.

    No. Not int he slightest. There's a difference between a Brave and Redskin just like there's a difference between Cowboy and Masters or C@#$@#$@s.


    Nah... not buying it. I'd be pretty offended if someone called me a cowboy in a bar. Even more so if I were called a Cowboys fan.

    Ok Cowboy....
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:29 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:

    Couldn't the converse argument be made about the Cowboys? Just sayin...... I ain't no cowboy.

    No. Not int he slightest. There's a difference between a Brave and Redskin just like there's a difference between Cowboy and Masters or C@#$@#$@s.


    Nah... not buying it. I'd be pretty offended if someone called me a cowboy in a bar. Even more so if I were called a Cowboys fan.

    Ok Cowboy....


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Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:32 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:No. Not int he slightest. There's a difference between a Brave and Redskin just like there's a difference between Cowboy and Masters or C@#$@#$@s.


    Nah... not buying it. I'd be pretty offended if someone called me a cowboy in a bar. Even more so if I were called a Cowboys fan.

    Ok Cowboy....


    :141847_bnono:

    What? Mad about a profession? It's not like I said something racist to you...
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Re: Pick #27
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:36 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    Nah... not buying it. I'd be pretty offended if someone called me a cowboy in a bar. Even more so if I were called a Cowboys fan.

    Ok Cowboy....


    :141847_bnono:

    What? Mad about a profession? It's not like I said something racist to you...


    It's all about perspective. If I could, I'd kick you in the head so hard your drivers license got a black eye. Instead, I'll find solace in knowing you're another keyboard hero just trying to stir the pot. :stirthepot: meh. Annnnnd on the blocked list.
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Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:40 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:Ok Cowboy....


    :141847_bnono:

    What? Mad about a profession? It's not like I said something racist to you...


    It's all about perspective. If I could, I'd kick you in the head so hard your drivers license got a black eye. Instead, I'll find solace in knowing you're another keyboard hero just trying to stir the pot. :stirthepot: meh. Annnnnd on the blocked list.

    You'd hurt yourself, Sparky. Now run along to your costume party.

    For the record, I was responding to someone else. You opened your purdy mouth and didn't need to.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:11 am
  • I absolutely love this selection. Seriously, I love it.

    Penny is going to be a star here, just watch.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:49 am
  • original poster wrote:I absolutely love this selection. Seriously, I love it.

    Penny is going to be a star here, just watch.


    I hope so! For some reason I really like the pick (on absolutely no research just reading on here and clips), and if he starts well could be the next jersey for me. Need to replace my Sherman one at some point :(
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:56 am
  • Can't wait to see this guy play. They had a need, they took care of it. I don't give a rip if people think it's a "reach"
    Word is that the Pats and Browns were likely to swoop him up at 31 or 33.
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Re: Pick #27
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:39 am
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    jeremiah wrote:Guice will have some good games and maybe even a good season or two, but he'll be on ice a lot. Teams said he was a drama queen, didn't like his attitude, etc, and also had some off the field issues that will come up as an embarrassment for both him and the organization that takes him. Redskins' name is an embarrassment so it likely doesn't matter to them.

    Probably a domestic issue or even a purse snatcher like Rawls....

    Redskins name an embarrassment. The majority of native Americans don't care one bit and will even evince pride at names like Braves, Chiefs, Redskins, Warriors, Chieftains, Indians and love Chief Wahoo. Seminoles, BlackHawks, Utes, Cowboys, Illinois? Great names all and this Lakotah tribal member loves them all. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, better change the name of Mt Rainer back to Mt Ta'hom'a.

    I've lived on two reservations. Your assertion that most don't care about the Redskins name, specifically, is a load of BS. Your "way of life" isn't "under attack" here, Scooter.


    So have I, and my experience is the same as jeremiah's.

    Not all reservations are alike. I think that's part of it.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:49 am
  • original poster wrote:I absolutely love this selection. Seriously, I love it.

    Penny is going to be a star here, just watch.


    Agreed. I like Sam Gold's description of a "no-nonsense runner" - doesn't dance, hits the hole, fights for yards and falls forward. That combined with durability - Penny is a creator at the RB position.

    Basically, Penny is exactly the RB you want if you have an underwhelming OL. If your OL is average - well, watch out, NFL.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:12 am
  • Personally, I probably would have picked Will Hernandez in this slot - but I don't think you can really be mad about the range they selected him, saying things like "they could have had him in the 2nd or 3rd".

    The Patriots were rumored to have Penny higher on their board then Michel, and they picked Michel a few picks later.

    The Hawks received a trade offer from a team directly after picking Penny, which JS says almost never happens, so at least one other team was extremely high on him.

    If he was "their guy", why risk the trade back? Plus, Nick Chubb went directly after that at the top of the 2nd.
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  • I dont understand why people dont like this pick. This guy is a Pete's back, we got completely new offensive staff in the office, I think disliking this pick is quite ridiculous. We still have Carson if this guy isnt good, and with Disable gone, I think this will take the pressure of Wilson's back regardless for at least first couple games.
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Re: Pick #27
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 am
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    Thin legs? LOL. WOW. Where are they pulling this nonsense from? He is 5'11" 220 lbs. He is very strong and stocky. I've seen him play every game of his career down here in San Diego. My guess is is the "internet experts" and "analysts" and so called self described Draft experts. I've watched every game of his career. He is not skinny. He is stocky and strong and will run over you. He mostly will run around you and run by you with long speed though. He is more of breakaway home run hitter. That's the type of player he is. But he doesn't have skinny legs. LOL. Please understand this is not an attack on you personally. It's likely more of the untrue things about Penny that people find on the internet and then post on boards. I'm not even saying it is your idea. Just the idea that you saw somewhere probably. It's just the super funny and NOT TRUE nonsense coming from the internet.

    Let me put your fears to rest. He is strong and stocky. He will run you over and can be physical. But he is more long speed fast with great vision, moves, cut backs and will more likely run around you or just use speed to get past you and take it to the house.


    Well the thin legs thing was mentioned on seahawks.net that's just how this place rolls sometimes. I can understand why you feel that's an absurd comment but that's seahawks.net for you and no it didn't come from me. There are some really serious draft people around here though so i checked it out just to see if it was a thing and i didn't see that at his combine drills. Here's the thing Guice is a really good player and i can appreciate why some might have thought he should have been the guy. The only reason he dropped was character issues if he had no red flags there he was very likely is the second RB off the board. Now you can disagree on Guice vs Penny but the consensus was Guice was the second best RB in the draft. He apparently got in an altercation with the the Eagles FO during his interview . There were some other things out ther as well i didn't bother to read them all. I had Guice and Penny as players i was happy with if Seattle took them. Those were my first 2 choices at RB then Jones.


    Penny is high cut. He's got long, slender legs and skinny thighs in comparison to the typical NFL RB. Maybe it's a good thing because it makes him as fast as a race horse. I'm just concerned about injuries, when combined with his upright running style.


    Penny is NOT high cut. He DOES NOT have long slender legs or skinny thighs. I'm not sure where you are getting your misinformation from. There is so much BS about Penny on the internet it's incredible. Stop looking at those so called "expert" sites and "analyst" sites. These are the same sites that think they know something about him and thought he would be drafted much later. They have no idea what they are talking about. They don't watch San Diego State. They don't get many nationally televised games. He's 5'11" 220 lbs. He's not 6'3" 190 lbs. He has strong stocky legs. I've gone to every single game. I have season tickets. Even by the eyeball test his legs are strong and stocky and they are powerful too. He does not have this problem.

    As far as upright running style they said the same thing about Eric Dickerson and Adrian Peterson. They run upright all the way to the endzone. The same thing Penny will do. He knows to lower his pad level when the contact comes and he does do that. He will run you over when the contact and tacklers come. He will strategically get lower when he has to in a pile or in a crowd. He does not run upright all the time. In the open field with speed he will run a bit more upright because he has the speed to get past you. He will get past you and not get touched or tackled sometimes and chew up as many yards as possible as fast as possible.


    Just ignore the ridiculous criticism. He hated the pick and called it a reach and now he will likely spend the season trying to back that up. Nothing to see here. :roll:
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    Just ignore the ridiculous criticism. He hated the pick and called it a reach and now he will likely spend the season trying to back that up. Nothing to see here. :roll:


    Reasonable minds can disagree. Are you one of them? I hope Penny is amazing!
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:52 am
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Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:54 am
  • drcool wrote:Looks like Penny will be #20. Hope he is a bit better than the last #20 for the Seahawks. And I guess for that matter better than Maurice Morris who also wore #20.

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    Too bad he can't be #1. :D
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:55 am
  • quadsas wrote:I dont understand why people dont like this pick. This guy is a Pete's back, we got completely new offensive staff in the office, I think disliking this pick is quite ridiculous. We still have Carson if this guy isnt good, and with Disable gone, I think this will take the pressure of Wilson's back regardless for at least first couple games.


    Most definitely.

    The criticism is did we take Penny too soon and/or should we have picked Hernandez, who is suppose to be slam dunk starting from day one guard, and a run blocking guard at that.

    We'll see, I was one of these critics when the pick went down............but I haven't spend 1,000 hours of tape watching, visits and vetting like our scouts and Pete/John did.

    So I'm down with giving Penny a chance, he certainly looks the part, and I love his attitude.

    Bottom line though? If you pick a 1st round RB? He better be your bell cow and deliver for a LONG time.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:00 am
  • Our group was chanting Guice-Guice-Guice. But after he fell way down in to the 2nd round, it was clear that there was a big reason he slipped. And now I'm loving this pick.
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:25 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    quadsas wrote:I dont understand why people dont like this pick. This guy is a Pete's back, we got completely new offensive staff in the office, I think disliking this pick is quite ridiculous. We still have Carson if this guy isnt good, and with Disable gone, I think this will take the pressure of Wilson's back regardless for at least first couple games.


    Most definitely.

    The criticism is did we take Penny too soon and/or should we have picked Hernandez, who is suppose to be slam dunk starting from day one guard, and a run blocking guard at that.

    We'll see, I was one of these critics when the pick went down............but I haven't spend 1,000 hours of tape watching, visits and vetting like our scouts and Pete/John did.

    So I'm down with giving Penny a chance, he certainly looks the part, and I love his attitude.

    Bottom line though? If you pick a 1st round RB? He better be your bell cow and deliver for a LONG time.


    Patriots took a RB in the 1st round too, but the one they took has never been a bell cow back and has always shared the load with other guys (mainly Chubb). So does that apply to them as well or just the Seahawks? Because between the RB they took and the way they generally use RB's in NE, it's pretty doubtful that Michel is going to be the Patriots bell cow RB.

    Here's a fun fact about the Patriots 1st round pick, RB Sony Michel. He broke his left forearm in an ATV accident before the 2016 season.

    Edit to add: It looks like Michel has had a fair amount of injuries as well. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo ... story.html
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Re: Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB
Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:37 am
  • Hawks draft a RB: "What a reach" "Horrible pick"
    Pats draft a RB a few spots later: "What a great pick" :?
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