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Ok, so bring me up to speed on the Seahawks. What are our strengths/weaknesses? We run a 43 Under, correct? Anyone got a position by position breakdown of our roster? Who’s good, who sucks, etc? lol

What are we currently looking like?
 

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Hope this quick write-up helps!

QB: Russell Wilson, Alex McGough
Wilson is entering his 7th year as a starter. How time flies! He is coming off a season in which he was a borderline-MVP candidate, leading the NFL is passing TDs (34) and total TDs (37) and finishing 2nd in combined passing and rushing yards. A former Super Bowl champion and two-time NFC title winner, Wilson is ranked #2 in NFL history in career QB rating (98.8 ), between #1 Aaron Rodgers (103.8 ) and #3 Tom Brady (97.6 ). He is expected to continue to improve his play from the pocket . . . if the offensive line can give him time.

RB: Rashaad Penny, Chris Carson, C.J. Prosise, Mike Davis, J.D. McKissic
Rashaad Penny was their recent first round choice. Carson was a breakout starter at RB last season before suffering a serious leg and ankle injury that required surgery. Prosise is a dynamic runner but has been continually hurt. Davis is a lumbering bruiser who is also good a catching passes out of the backfield, McKissic is a gadget back, who may be on the outside looking in. The weakness of this group is its inexperience, lack of proven production, and injury history.

FB: Jalston Fowler, Khalid Hill, Tre Madden, or Marcus Martin (not sure who would start)
The good news is that they may actually utilize a good, blocking FB this year. Over the last few years, the position was mostly being phased out by former OC Darrell Bevell. There have been several indications of more extensive fullback usage, including the signing of bulldozing veteran Jalston Fowler and the signing of promising fullback prospects Marcus Martin and Khalid Hill.

WR: Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, Marcus Johnson, and Amara Darboh
Baldwin has been a Pro Bowl WR the last couple years. He is probably the most consistent pass catcher in the league, playing wide at flanker or in the slot. Lockett is a dynamic WR and kick returner who is a year removed from a leg injury. Marcus Johnson, an off-season signing, is a blazer. Darboh is expected to make a big jump in his second year; he is bigger bodied than the other three and is known as a good blocker. Strength of this group is speed. Weakness would probably be the lack of a tall receiving threat.

TE: Ed Dickson Nick Vannett, and Will Dissly
They lost Jimmy Graham and his jump ball, red zone skills to free agency. Will Dissly gives the Seahawks an all-around TE, who can both run routes and has the physicality of a great run blocker. But they signed experienced TE Ed Dickson to a three-year contract this off-season. Dickson is a good receiver and pass blocker. Former 3rd-round-pick Nick Vannett is a good receiver and sometimes capable blocker. The weakness of this group is the lack of experience and production, compared to what they had with Graham.

OL: LT Duane Brown, LG Ethan Pocic, C Justin Britt, RG D.J. Fluker, and RT Germain Ifedi (Backups: George Fant, Jordan Roos, Isaiah Battle, and Jamarco Jones).
This has been the weakest position group on the roster for a number of years. Brown is a multi-year Pro Bowler, who was acquired last year in a mid-season trade, but he's getting up there is age. Britt was a Pro Bowl alternate a couple years ago and is hoping to return to form at center. Pocic is a versatile 2nd year player, who struggled as a rookie due to being undersized, but has since put on a lot of weight. Fluker, signed this off-season, was a former first round pick as a RT but was moved to RG; he has excellent length and power but slow feet. Ifedi is the most controversial player on the roster, as a former first round pick who struggled with many holding/offsides penalties in a move from RG to RT. Fant is a converted former basketball player who was the starter at LT before getting hurt. Jamarco Jones will be competing for the backup swing-tackle role against former starters George Fant and Reece Odhiambo, as well as Isaiah Battle and Willie Beavers. Will they improve under a new OL Coach?

Overall, the offense is undergoing a major transition after the firing of former OC Bevell. New OC Brian Schottenheimer wants the offense to be more physical, diverse, and balanced between run and pass. We weren't able to run the ball well at all last year.

DL: DE Frank Clark, NT Jarran Reed, DT Nazair Jones, DE Dion Jordan (Backups: Rasheem Green, Shamar Stephen, Tom Johnson, Marcus Smith, Quinton Jefferson)
They traded away Michael Bennett this off-season. Clark had 19 sacks the last two seasons and is excellent against the run. Reed is a stout run stopper who is improving as a pass rusher. Jones had a great rookie year before getting hurt. Shamar Stephen and Tom Johnson were signed in free agency. Except for Clark, and to a lesser extent Reed, separating the starters from the backups is hard. Rasheem Green is expected to battle for time at the 5T in the base defense and inside in the nickel. Green and Frank Clark could man each side of the defensive line. But Green will have to beat out the likes of Dion Jordan, Marcus Smith, and Quinton Jefferson. Tom Johnson, a natural 3T, could also compete for time outside at the 5T. Jake Martin will be fighting to make the roster as a LEO pass rushing specialist. Newly-signed Barkevious Mingo is the likely starter at LEO/SLB. Avril, Jordan, and Smith could also see time at LEO in the nickel defense. All of these guys should play in a deep rotation. The weakness could be pass rush in the base defense.

LB: MLB Bobby Wagner, WLB K.J. Wright, and SLB Barkevious Mingo (Backups: WLB Shaquem Griffin, SLB D.J. Alexander, and MLB Paul Dawson)
This is the heart of the defense. Wagner was the best defensive player in the NFL last season, not named Aaron Donald. K.J. Wright is a former Pro Bowler with multiple 100-tackle seasons. Mingo, signed this off-season, is highly athletic and will be tasked with holding the edge, dropping in coverage, and rushing the passer at various times. You know more about Shaquem Griffin than we do. ;)

DB: RCB Shaquill Griffin, LCB Byron Maxwell, NCB Justin Coleman, SS Bradley McDougald, and FS Earl Thomas (Backups: FS Tedric Thompson, SSs Mo Alexander & Delano Hill, CBs Dontae Johnson, Deandre Elliott, Neiko Thorpe, among others)
Shaquill Griffin had a very good rookie season, replacing Richard Sherman. Maxwell is a solid veteran opposite Shaquill. Coleman was very good in the nickel last year. McDougald filled in for Kam Chancellor at SS and was mostly solid. Earl Thomas is a future HOFer and the best safety in the game.

This defense has a chance to return to form and be really good again under HC Pete Carroll and with the return of new-DC Ken Norton, Jr. They finished #1 in the NFL in scoring defense from 2012-15 (and through most of 2016 until an injury to Thomas). The strength is the LB unit, led by Wagner. The weakness is finding a way to replace the veteran leadership of Sherman, Chancellor, and Bennett.

ST: K Sebastian Janikowski, P Michael Dickson, LS Tanner Carew, PR Tyler Lockett, KR Rashaad Penny
Legendary kicker Sebastian Janikowski was signed this off-season to compete with Jason Myers. Dickson is the "expected" starting punter, but first he'll have to beat out legendary Seahawks veteran Jon Ryan. Carew is an athletic, recent free agent signing. Lockett is a former All-Pro return man. Penny had seven kickoff return TDs in college. The weaknesses would probably be the age of Janikowski (he missed 2017 with injury) and somewhat questionable coverage teams. We hope Shaquem will help with that!
 

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Jaron Brown is a guy we signed from the cards. 6 foot 2. Played behind a Larry Fitzgerald. Look for him to be impactful.
this is a crew in transition from oft injured Richardson/Lockett combination of speedy finesse receivers. Brown is speedy and physical.
 

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Atradees":3sbf3tgq said:
Jaron Brown is a guy we signed from the cards. 6 foot 2. Played behind a Larry Fitzgerald. Look for him to be impactful.

Thank you! Not sure how I forgot about him!

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Putting this here (sorry if it's in the wrong place).

I just want to show that the "pundits" (writers for so-called sports websites) have been wrong a lot in the past and here is their "grade" - in which I think the season will prove them wrong again.

We shall see.

PCJS and the scouts know more than these self-appointed know-it-alls.


Seattle Seahawks
Draft picks: San Diego State RB Rashaad Penny (No. 27 overall), USC DE Rasheem Green (No. 79 overall), Washington TE Will Dissly (No. 120 overall), UCF LB Shaquem Griffin (No. 141 overall), Oklahoma State DB Tre Flowers (No. 146 overall), Texas P Michael Dickson (No. 149 overall), Ohio State OT Jamarco Jones (No. 168 overall), Temple DE Jacob Martin (No. 186 overall), Florida International QB Alex McGough (No. 220 overall).

Day 1 grade: D
Day 2 grade: B
Day 3 grade: B-
Overall grade: C


The skinny: There was zero surprise the Seahawks traded down, as they expected their guys to be available later. Penny is a good back but picked too early. This is the modus operandi for the Seahawks in recent years, picking someone in the first round much earlier than most people project. And, in most cases, the picks haven't worked out. Seattle lost its second-round pick in a trade for Sheldon Richardson, which only turned out to be an unsuccessful one-year deal. Selecting Green in the third round was good value, and could be a steal like Michael Bennett was years ago. He should be a better pro player than he was in college. Dissly is a blocker with some receiving skills. Getting Griffin not only reunited him with his twin brother, it added quickness and aggressiveness to the defense. Flowers is a very Seahawks-like pick -- big and strong like another fifth-round pick, Kam Chancellor. GM John Schneider traded a seventh-round pick away for the draft's top punter in Dickson, who some thought could have been a Day 2 pick. He's a good value and filled a need. Jones could start in a year or two given the offensive line issues. No corners or receivers selected puts Seattle in a hole at those spots after the draft.

Follow Chad Reuter on Twitter @chad_reuter.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... l-32-teams
 
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hawknation2018":sijplbex said:
Hope this quick write-up helps!

QB: Russell Wilson, Alex McGough
Wilson is entering his 7th year as a starter. How time flies! He is coming off a season in which he was a borderline-MVP candidate, leading the NFL is passing TDs (34) and total TDs (37) and finishing 2nd in combined passing and rushing yards. A former Super Bowl champion and two-time NFC title winner, Wilson is ranked #2 in NFL history in career QB rating (98.8 ), between #1 Aaron Rodgers (103.8 ) and #3 Tom Brady (97.6 ). He is expected to continue to improve his play from the pocket . . . if the offensive line can give him time.

RB: Rashaad Penny, Chris Carson, C.J. Prosise, Mike Davis, J.D. McKissic
Rashaad Penny was their recent first round choice. Carson was a breakout starter at RB last season before suffering a serious leg and ankle injury that required surgery. Prosise is a dynamic runner but has been continually hurt. Davis is a lumbering bruiser who is also good a catching passes out of the backfield, McKissic is a gadget back, who may be on the outside looking in. The weakness of this group is its inexperience, lack of proven production, and injury history.

FB: Jalston Fowler, Khalid Hill, Tre Madden, or Marcus Martin (not sure who would start)
The good news is that they may actually utilize a good, blocking FB this year. Over the last few years, the position was mostly being phased out by former OC Darrell Bevell. There have been several indications of more extensive fullback usage, including the signing of bulldozing veteran Jalston Fowler and the signing of promising fullback prospects Marcus Martin and Khalid Hill.

WR: Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, Marcus Johnson, and Amara Darboh
Baldwin has been a Pro Bowl WR the last couple years. He is probably the most consistent pass catcher in the league, playing wide at flanker or in the slot. Lockett is a dynamic WR and kick returner who is a year removed from a leg injury. Marcus Johnson, an off-season signing, is a blazer. Darboh is expected to make a big jump in his second year; he is bigger bodied than the other three and is known as a good blocker. Strength of this group is speed. Weakness would probably be the lack of a tall receiving threat.

TE: Ed Dickson Nick Vannett, and Will Dissly
They lost Jimmy Graham and his jump ball, red zone skills to free agency. Will Dissly gives the Seahawks an all-around TE, who can both run routes and has the physicality of a great run blocker. But they signed experienced TE Ed Dickson to a three-year contract this off-season. Dickson is a good receiver and pass blocker. Former 3rd-round-pick Nick Vannett is a good receiver and sometimes capable blocker. The weakness of this group is the lack of experience and production, compared to what they had with Graham.

OL: LT Duane Brown, LG Ethan Pocic, C Justin Britt, RG D.J. Fluker, and RT Germain Ifedi (Backups: George Fant, Jordan Roos, Isaiah Battle, and Jamarco Jones).
This has been the weakest position group on the roster for a number of years. Brown is a multi-year Pro Bowler, who was acquired last year in a mid-season trade, but he's getting up there is age. Britt was a Pro Bowl alternate a couple years ago and is hoping to return to form at center. Pocic is a versatile 2nd year player, who struggled as a rookie due to being undersized, but has since put on a lot of weight. Fluker, signed this off-season, was a former first round pick as a RT but was moved to RG; he has excellent length and power but slow feet. Ifedi is the most controversial player on the roster, as a former first round pick who struggled with many holding/offsides penalties in a move from RG to RT. Fant is a converted former basketball player who was the starter at LT before getting hurt. Jamarco Jones will be competing for the backup swing-tackle role against former starters George Fant and Reece Odhiambo, as well as Isaiah Battle and Willie Beavers. Will they improve under a new OL Coach?

Overall, the offense is undergoing a major transition after the firing of former OC Bevell. New OC Brian Schottenheimer wants the offense to be more physical, diverse, and balanced between run and pass. We weren't able to run the ball well at all last year.

DL: DE Frank Clark, NT Jarran Reed, DT Nazair Jones, DE Dion Jordan (Backups: Rasheem Green, Shamar Stephen, Tom Johnson, Marcus Smith, Quinton Jefferson)
They traded away Michael Bennett this off-season. Clark had 19 sacks the last two seasons and is excellent against the run. Reed is a stout run stopper who is improving as a pass rusher. Jones had a great rookie year before getting hurt. Shamar Stephen and Tom Johnson were signed in free agency. Except for Clark, and to a lesser extent Reed, separating the starters from the backups is hard. Rasheem Green is expected to battle for time at the 5T in the base defense and inside in the nickel. Green and Frank Clark could man each side of the defensive line. But Green will have to beat out the likes of Dion Jordan, Marcus Smith, and Quinton Jefferson. Tom Johnson, a natural 3T, could also compete for time outside at the 5T. Jake Martin will be fighting to make the roster as a LEO pass rushing specialist. Newly-signed Barkevious Mingo is the likely starter at LEO/SLB. Avril, Jordan, and Smith could also see time at LEO in the nickel defense. All of these guys should play in a deep rotation. The weakness could be pass rush in the base defense.

LB: MLB Bobby Wagner, WLB K.J. Wright, and SLB Barkevious Mingo (Backups: WLB Shaquem Griffin, SLB D.J. Alexander, and MLB Paul Dawson)
This is the heart of the defense. Wagner was the best defensive player in the NFL last season, not named Aaron Donald. K.J. Wright is a former Pro Bowler with multiple 100-tackle seasons. Mingo, signed this off-season, is highly athletic and will be tasked with holding the edge, dropping in coverage, and rushing the passer at various times. You know more about Shaquem Griffin than we do. ;)

DB: RCB Shaquill Griffin, LCB Byron Maxwell, NCB Justin Coleman, SS Bradley McDougald, and FS Earl Thomas (Backups: FS Tedric Thompson, SSs Mo Alexander & Delano Hill, CBs Dontae Johnson, Deandre Elliott, Neiko Thorpe, among others)
Shaquill Griffin had a very good rookie season, replacing Richard Sherman. Maxwell is a solid veteran opposite Shaquill. Coleman was very good in the nickel last year. McDougald filled in for Kam Chancellor at SS and was mostly solid. Earl Thomas is a future HOFer and the best safety in the game.

This defense has a chance to return to form and be really good again under HC Pete Carroll and with the return of new-DC Ken Norton, Jr. They finished #1 in the NFL in scoring defense from 2012-15 (and through most of 2016 until an injury to Thomas). The strength is the LB unit, led by Wagner. The weakness is finding a way to replace the veteran leadership of Sherman, Chancellor, and Bennett.

ST: K Sebastian Janikowski, P Michael Dickson, LS Tanner Carew, PR Tyler Lockett, KR Rashaad Penny
Legendary kicker Sebastian Janikowski was signed this off-season to compete with Jason Myers. Dickson is the "expected" starting punter, but first he'll have to beat out legendary Seahawks veteran Jon Ryan. Carew is an athletic, recent free agent signing. Lockett is a former All-Pro return man. Penny had seven kickoff return TDs in college. The weaknesses would probably be the age of Janikowski (he missed 2017 with injury) and somewhat questionable coverage teams. We hope Shaquem will help with that!


Thanks! What’s the deal with Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor? Are neither expected back? Why does Thomas want out?
 

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FinNasty":28allbex said:
Thanks! What’s the deal with Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor? Are neither expected back? Why does Thomas want out?

Kam Chancellor and DE Cliff Avril are unlikely to be cleared by the Seahawks team doctors due to neck injuries that each suffered last season.

Earl Thomas is expected back. There has been a lot of media speculation that the Seahawks would move on from him, like they did with aging vets Sherman and Bennett. But that hasn't been the case. Yesterday, Carroll called it a media invention.

Thomas is on the final year of his current deal and is seeking an extension. He has missed the first team workouts in order to encourage the team to get his new deal finalized. He has said he doesn't plan to miss any games. Seahawks retain the option to franchise him for 2019 if they can't get an extension ironed out in time.

Famously, Thomas reached out to Cowboys HC Jason Garrett last season, telling him to "Come get me." Thomas quickly explained that he loves it in Seattle and wants to play for the Seahawks for the rest of his career. But he was unsure about whether the Seahawks would try to re-sign him or would just pursue a trade. Since Thomas is from Texas, he said he would have preferred to play for his hometown team if the Seahawks decided to part ways with him. He said he didn't realize his words would inspire the controversy they did!

That's the long and short of it. A lot of Seahawks fans are still bitter about that "come get me" comment and refuse to accept his explanation.
 

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Its my impression that the FO had loaded up on contracts with aging vets that have started to be more injury riddled.
The third contract is always the risky one with great players. I predict we will have parted with Sherman, Avril, Kam, Bennett, Lane, Graham, Richardson, Ryan and Richardson the WR before its all said and done. The cap releif will eventually be substantial. Then the new guys will be expected to contribute from recent additions last year and this year as well.

Russell Wilson is gonna get paid.

Its a bit of a transition but we were without many of those players last year and came close to the playoffs with a brutaly bad offensive line and coordinators that had grown absolutely stale.(See Liquored Up Kicker who lost three games)

Look for us to contend again. Look for the olne to get a reset with a new scheme and coordinator. With this draft its my beleif we have looked to pick up blocking (with also the free agent additions Fluker and TE Dickson). Jaron Brown is gonna have a breakout year.
 

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Great work, HN2018. Good write up, and fairly accurately summarizes the team. After reading it, and seeing where our new draftees and free agents fit, I'm all the more excited about this next year.

Perhaps someone can share with our newest fan ther basic coaching situation/changes from last year, and philosophy, too. I'm definitely not the one to do that, since many here know more about our FO and assistants than I.
 

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KitsapGuy":2tnq1qqv said:
Tyler Ott is our current LS.

Should have mentioned that! Every special teams position has good competition, which is beautiful to see.

K: Janikowski vs Myers (zero dead money if released)
P: Dickson vs Ryan ($2 million in cap savings if released)
LS: Carew vs Ott (zero dead money if released)
KR/PR: Penny/Lockett
 

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This is a very competitive roster.
Our division has gotten brutal, though. We are no longer the super favorite to win it.
We still have the best QB in the division. And one of the best receivers (Doug). I think it counts for a lot.

I would be happy with 8-10 wins.
 

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We may also now have one of (if not more than one of) the best RBs in the division, if Penny plays as his tape shows. Our kicking situation should be much stronger now, as well as our tilting field position.

With RW at the helm still, I would expect at least 9 wins.
 

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Rams will get figured out and won't surprise this year, still tough and favorites as they should be, 49ers are up and coming, will be better then the past and could surprise a few teams, next year they should be real challengers I think, Arizona, hmmm Bradford is back where he has been figured out already he isn't Carson Palmer, does he make it thru the season, then you have Mike Glennon who melted down in Chicago, oh and then Josh Rosen is the new kid on the block, I think it's more about how many QB's do they go thru next season.

Seattle is going to be looked at as a rebuilding team, whole new offense and unknowns at first, on defense the fear factor is gone till we reestablish it, Earl and Wagner are it really, Avril and Kam will not be back and the biggest guy most teams had to contend with Bennett is in Philly. I hope we don't come out slow as we have in the past, but lets say by mid season whatever the identity were going to have should be established then and we should know who our future guys are. I do think we will not have musical chairs as much on the O line and that should solidify a lot quicker then in past years.
 

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chris98251":34mw18az said:
Rams will get figured out and won't surprise this year, still tough and favorites as they should be, 49ers are up and coming, will be better then the past and could surprise a few teams, next year they should be real challengers I think, Arizona, hmmm Bradford is back where he has been figured out already he isn't Carson Palmer, does he make it thru the season, then you have Mike Glennon who melted down in Chicago, oh and then Josh Rosen is the new kid on the block, I think it's more about how many QB's do they go thru next season.

Seattle is going to be looked at as a rebuilding team, whole new offense and unknowns at first, on defense the fear factor is gone till we reestablish it, Earl and Wagner are it really, Avril and Kam will not be back and the biggest guy most teams had to contend with Bennett is in Philly. I hope we don't come out slow as we have in the past, but lets say by mid season whatever the identity were going to have should be established then and we should know who our future guys are. I do think we will not have musical chairs as much on the O line and that should solidify a lot quicker then in past years.

Good post.

Having a difficult division to play in isn't a bad thing: iron sharpens iron. In fact, it was SF we played against in order to earn the right to go to New Jersey and our first Super Bowl. Playing against good teams only makes you better, and forces the competition to a high level.

This team has thrived in the past on competition, on the spotlight of prime-time, and on showing people why they're not to be underrated. That may be the same again this year if everyone pans our draft (even Pittsburgh/Panthers fan-types).
 
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I don’t want to hear any complaints about having to deal with the Rams or not being the favorite to win the division. I’ve been a life long Fin fan and have been dealing with the Patriots for the last decade and a half, lol.
 
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Can anyone give a more technical breakdown of your current defensive scheme?
 

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FinNasty":2e1xcz90 said:
Can anyone give a more technical breakdown of your current defensive scheme?

We'll see what Norton brings to the table. PC usually plays simple defensive schemes in a 4-3 and relies on athleticism and on field adjustments that typically come from an intelligent SS or MLB.

Historically, PC defenses depend on solid coverage and physicality that leads to turnovers/coverage sacks.
 

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FinNasty":1ue6okzm said:
Can anyone give a more technical breakdown of your current defensive scheme?

"original poster" took the time to organize some thoughts on the subject prior to the draft.

The front 7 forum link is here >>> [urltargetblank]http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=146354[/urltargetblank]

... and the forum coverage link is here .... >>> [urltargetblank]http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=146346[/urltargetblank]
 
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