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    Let’s be honest, only the most optimistic of optimists can say, with their hand on their heart, that Seahawks football was a whole lot of fun last season. Looking back, it just wasn’t. There was a whole lot of bad that happened and not a whole lot of good. Lets take a look back at some of the things we’ve endured since this time a year ago...

    Malik McDowell, our first selection in the 2017 NFL draft injures himself in at ATV accident, his status for the upcoming season is in doubt and unknown.

    C.J Prosise injures himself (again).

    Our up and coming left tackle George Fant gets injured and is ruled out for the 2017 season, leaving a huge, gaping hole at a key position before the season even gets underway.

    An apparent lock to the roster, Kasen Williams, doesn’t make the 53-man roster.

    Fan favorite Jermaine Kearse gets traded just before the season starts.

    Seahawks lose their season opener to Green Bay 17-9. A frustrating game that they could have won.

    Slow starts on offense start to become a ‘thing’, Seattle scores a total of 16 points in the first half combined in the first three games. They averaged 6.5 points in the first half over the first 4 games, nearly half of what they achieved the previous season (11.75) and nearly a third of what they achieved in the 2014 season (16.25).

    The Seahawks lose emerging star Chris Carson for the season.

    Cliff Avril goes on Injured Reserve and doesn’t come off it.

    Seattle looses two of its biggest stars in Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman in one Thursday Night Football game.

    Newly acquired left Tackle Duane Brown injures his ankle. Fortunately he toughs it out but proves to be far less effective with the injury.

    It becomes apparent the Seahawks have a huge problem at the kicker position.

    By the start of December, Seattle is dead last in rushing yards league wide, with 732 yards total. A situation that never gets resolved.

    Lots of drama unfolds at the end of the Jaguars game to a point where players are trying to attack opponents’ fans up in the stands.

    With the playoffs on the line, the Seahawks get absolutely embarrassed and humiliated, losing to the Rams 42-7.

    The Earl ‘come get me’ comment happens after beating the Cowboys on Christmas Eve.

    After a very promising start to the season, Paul Richardson appears lifeless and riddled with drops.

    The Seahawks finish the season losing to a division rival that came down to a kick to win the game, that kick was ‘no good’. A fitting end to a forgettable season.

    The team missed the playoffs, something that the team and fans alike have not had to deal with in many years.

    Richard Sherman, one of the most loved Seahawks players of all time is cut.

    Michael Bennett, a player that had both his friends and foes within the Seahawks community is traded to the Eagles for a (conditional) bag of sweets.

    Many fan favorites are lost to free agency such as Jimmy Graham, Paul Richardson and Sheldon Richardson.

    Earl Thomas trade rumors circulate for months, doubting the return of the All-Pro free safety.


    That is twenty two key elements to last season that culminated together, stirred into a pot and was forcibly fed to us, against our wishes. Not good, not good at all.

    Sure, it wasn’t ‘all’ bad… Justin Britt and Kam Chancellor were both extended last offseason and the team traded for Sheldon Richardson and Duane Brown. All 4 of those moves gave positive vibes to this fan base at the time, only two of them ended up working out but such is life. My point is, it wasn’t 100% doom and gloom all season long, there were ‘some’ positives. The Texans game will go down in the history books as one of the best ever, too.

    Seahawks fans have grown accustomed to being the dog in the fight, the alpha warrior and the very definition of dominance. But last season just lacked all of that. It lacked fun, it lacked excitement and it lacked dominance. For the first time in a long time, teams were no longer afraid of us, teams were no longer afraid to come into Century Link Field, they saw us as ‘has beens’. They saw us as a defense that is aging and injured and an offense that is ineffective and inconsistent with no running game and no pass protection to speak of.

    But through all of the bullshit, fans still filled up Century Link Field, fans still filled up opponents stadiums, fans were still alive and well on social media, they were everywhere. To anyone that ever calls Seahawks fans ‘bandwagon fans’ I say “screw you”. How dare you call us bandwagon fans given all the bullshit we’ve endured over the years, we’ve had a good run from 2012 to 2016, but for the most part, this franchise hasn’t performed at an elite level, yet fans are everywhere, and always have been everywhere, and will continue being everywhere in the future. Screw you for doubting us…Screw you!

    The vast majority never doubted John and Pete to correct the mistakes, right the ship and set sail back to greatness. And that appears to be case; I don’t even need to ask you if you’re aboard, I know you are.

    Problems with the roster didn’t take long to get corrected. The Seahawks quite literally wiped the coaching staff out and assembled a new crew (albeit with some old faces), the roster was ransacked of players that weren’t ‘all in’. It was the first steps in transitioning this franchise from a downward spiral to an upward trend, and that excites me. No longer are we on the decline, we’re on the up, we’re getting back to greatness, we’re getting back to a fast, young and cheap defense, we’re getting back to our core philosophy of a ground and pound offense, we’re getting back to Seahawks football. A tried and tested philosophy that is the chassis of this team. I will say it again, we are getting back to Seahawks football.

    Our identity was lost, the team didn’t know who they were anymore and I’m not going to point blame or shake my fingers, it is what it is and it’s in the past. This piece is simply a reminder of what we as fans have dealt with and simply my thoughts on why you should remain positive going forwards, not negative. But as outlined above, negativity from some is to be expected.

    Many are calling the 2018 season a year of rebuild before it’s even begun. I respectfully disagree. Whilst appreciating all the losses this offseason, you can’t ignore the gains. They may not be ‘household’ names or previous stars of the game, but they all have one thing in common.

    They are tough football players, they are smart football players, they are reliable football players and they are here to play ball. They are not here to build their brand or create locker room feuds; they are here to do exactly what is asked of them, when it’s asked of them. The vast majority are being paid millions of dollars to do it as well, so it’s not as if that expectation is unjust.

    The group John and Pete have assembled are guys that will be ‘all in’ with Pete’s message, I’m not so sure that was the case in seasons past. It damn well wasn’t the case in 2017, that was abundantly clear to anyone.

    It seems, in just 2 months this team has made the necessary changes to right the ship and get back on course. It goes without saying that some free agency additions and draft picks won’t work out, that’s a given. But some will and what I think is most important, the culture has changed. It is no longer about ‘me’ and all about ‘us’, nobody is more important than the team and there is no sport in the world more reliant on teamwork than football. The big egos, the ‘look at me’s’, the attention seekers…they’re all gone.

    My only slight concern heading into this season is how many ‘dogs’ we have. Whilst Kam Chancellor is a true gentleman off the field, on it, he’s the very definition of a ‘dog’. Seeing #31 lined up opposite would strike fear into receivers and tight ends whose route ran anywhere near him. Maybe this is the season that some new ‘dogs’ emerge, I hope so as it’s a key element to a football game. With players becoming faster, stronger and more athletic each season, sometimes what gives you the edge is the mental aspect. For now, it appears Seattle doesn’t have that edge, but I will reserve full judgment until we actually see this group play before labeling them as ‘soft’.

    If you want my truly honest opinion on how next season will go, I’d say exactly the same as 2017 went in terms of wins and losses, 9-7 (+/- 1 game). With that said it’s still very early to be predicting overall wins, a lot can and will change in that time and it only takes a few lucky bounces of the ball, a few favorable referee decisions or a few injuries to key opponents and Seattle could well find themselves right in the thick of it, competing for a championship. My main objective this season is to simply sit back, relax and enjoy some good ol’ football. Remove all expectations and just watch it unfold in real time.

    I’m not going to sit here and tell you how to ‘fan’, but the way I’m going to do it will be fun, whether you join me in my approach or do it your own way, let’s root for this team together, as a community, as friends and maybe, just maybe, we will have something big to celebrate at the end of it.


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    Richard Sherman wrote:People look forward to writing us off. Our demise was greatly overstated.
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  • Great post! The beautiful thing about hitting rock bottom is that it forces you pick yourself back up.

    I just saw the over/under in Vegas is 8 wins for the Seahawks. Take the over if you're a betting man! Seahawks are going to surprise some people with how quickly they rebound.

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  • - Chris Carson was a “promising rookie” not emerging star

    - Jermaine Kearse I wouldn’t really say was a fan favorite.

    - Sheldon Richardson definitely wasn’t a fan favorite, he was here for like 10 minutes.

    - It appears that Sherman and Bennett were becoming too much of malcontents in the locker room. Good riddance to both. But I agree, unacceptable Schneider traded him to the best team in the NFC for a bag of chips when he could have got more from NE.

    But the rest I’d agree with. It was a chore watching Seahawks games last year. Russell and Bobby killing the league were really the only reasons to tune in.
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  • :2thumbs: Nice post.
    Thanks OP.
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  • Great post. Many of us stick around thru thick and thin. And a lot of the new "12s" have no idea how bad it used to be :lol:
    No comment on the Big Lo and Seahulk thing..........(look at me, look at me)
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  • I tried to read it all. Got half way and could not bear the misery to finish. :177692:
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  • I would point out, we were literally the #1 team in scoring in the 4th quarter and even the 2nd HALF last year.

    So we have it in us to score TDs and not play this godawful garbage football that we have had to endure for the 1st half and often first 3 quarters last year.

    This team CAN produce better than the games we endured last year.

    There is reason for optimism if you just want to watch good football or attend a good football game.

    I am hoping a lot of the stuff we endured last year changes.
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  • It was next level frustrating to say the least. My wife put it perfectly at a game last year: "Why even bother watching the 1st half, they don't even show up until the middle of the 3rd quarter?"
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  • Fans of 90% of the NFL would be slightly pessimistic (probably roll their eyes furiously) that Seahawks fans have "endured" much of anything other than a really, really competitive football team over the last 7 years.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Fans of 90% of the NFL would be slightly pessimistic (probably roll their eyes furiously) that Seahawks fans have "endured" much of anything other than a really, really competitive football team over the last 7 years.


    We're spoiled brats, really...

    This was kinda geared at the bigger picture in general as well though, not just under the PC/JS regime.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Fans of 90% of the NFL would be slightly pessimistic (probably roll their eyes furiously) that Seahawks fans have "endured" much of anything other than a really, really competitive football team over the last 7 years.


    Good point. You can also include original long time Seahawk fans that endured 30 years of futility before Holmgren got here to that list.
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  • Or as fans used to call him "holm-grum" or who can forget Matt Hassle-back?
    Yeah, some incredibly bad years prior to the big show coming here.
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  • You forgot the most important...We had to endure Cable & Bevell...

    Blair Walsh was the greatest signing we had in a long time. Without him, we would hae been stuck with these two clowns in Wilson's prime years. Sad we lost the Legion of Boom & wasted 3 seasons with our elite group of guys.
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  • original poster wrote: The big egos, the ‘look at me’s’, the attention seekers…they’re all gone.


    They arent all gone. Just a few. We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him along with having some troublesome tweets throughout the season, we still have Kam who has piped up from time to time on both social media and in the press along with the holding out issue a couple years ago. He'll probably never play again, but make no mistake about it, he will milk us for everything he can and he will be heard this season. We also still have Baldwin who is one of the most vocal players ever and while he doesnt usually torment the team, he's the one thats flipped off and even shoved the coaching staff on national TV. He's definitely a type A personality.

    Just because we cut bait with Sherman, Graham, and Bennett doesnt mean we're out of the woods just yet. There will be drama.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him


    Oh good God, get over it already.
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  • exactly, same record over and over and over and over again.
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  • I’m just glad I made it to the Houston game. This was my first ever game, and I flew across the country just to be there... Right before the wheels came off.
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  • Incredible game to see in person, nicely done. Too bad Watson got hurt soon after. What a great player that kid is gonna' be. He shredded our Defense all day too.
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  • rcaido wrote:You forgot the most important...We had to endure Cable & Bevell...

    Blair Walsh was the greatest signing we had in a long time. Without him, we would hae been stuck with these two clowns in Wilson's prime years. Sad we lost the Legion of Boom & wasted 3 seasons with our elite group of guys.


    +1,000,000,000

    Walsh eliminated Fabevell. He is my HERO!!!!
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  • Joshoeuh wrote:I’m just glad I made it to the Houston game. This was my first ever game, and I flew across the country just to be there... Right before the wheels came off.


    Brilliant!
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  • I assumed this post was in regards to the previous 40 years prior to XLVIII by the title.

    Good post tho, last season was frustrating. In fact, everything has been frustrating since the end of 49.

    I don't see 9-7 as hitting Rick bottom tho, compared to the early 90s teams imo.
    If anything last season will hopefully serve as a wakeup call to Carroll and co.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him


    Oh good God, get over it already.


    Why should he? Earl is still here and the point he was disputing is... "they were all gone". His point is valid IMO.
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  • Jerhawk wrote:I assumed this post was in regards to the previous 40 years prior to XLVIII by the title.

    Good post tho, last season was frustrating. In fact, everything has been frustrating since the end of 49.

    I don't see 9-7 as hitting Rick bottom tho, compared to the early 90s teams imo.
    If anything last season will hopefully serve as a wakeup call to Carroll and co.


    Yeah of course last season pails in significance to the earlier years, but most don’t tend to moan about them. It’s the current vibe I’m trying to improve here :)

    We had a pretty shitty season last year and most things that could go wrong, did.

    Trying to sympathise whilst also lifting everyone’s spirits a little :)

    Hope it worked.
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  • cough cough 1992 cough cough :pukeface:
    1985 was incredibly frustrating, especially coming off a 12-4 season in 84. Will never forget the most mediocre season of all time. 2 wins, 2 losses, repeat the entire season.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    original poster wrote: The big egos, the ‘look at me’s’, the attention seekers…they’re all gone.


    They arent all gone. Just a few. We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him along with having some troublesome tweets throughout the season, we still have Kam who has piped up from time to time on both social media and in the press along with the holding out issue a couple years ago. He'll probably never play again, but make no mistake about it, he will milk us for everything he can and he will be heard this season. We also still have Baldwin who is one of the most vocal players ever and while he doesnt usually torment the team, he's the one thats flipped off and even shoved the coaching staff on national TV. He's definitely a type A personality.

    Just because we cut bait with Sherman, Graham, and Bennett doesnt mean we're out of the woods just yet. There will be drama.

    Hey, if the going is too tough for some of y'all, I hear that the BROWNS are looking for a few more never-give-up fans, and have even installed some brand new butt cushions on their bandwagons LOL.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    pittpnthrs wrote:We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him


    Oh good God, get over it already.


    Why should he? Earl is still here and the point he was disputing is... "they were all gone". His point is valid IMO.

    No the POINT the OP was making, was Yes, we pretty much HAD a crap season in 2017, now, we can choose to wallow around in negativity, OR, put the shit behind us and move on.
    Or for some negative nellies? try'n find something new to be bummed about.
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  • original poster wrote:
    Jerhawk wrote:I assumed this post was in regards to the previous 40 years prior to XLVIII by the title.

    Good post tho, last season was frustrating. In fact, everything has been frustrating since the end of 49.

    I don't see 9-7 as hitting Rick bottom tho, compared to the early 90s teams imo.
    If anything last season will hopefully serve as a wakeup call to Carroll and co.


    Yeah of course last season pails in significance to the earlier years, but most don’t tend to moan about them. It’s the current vibe I’m trying to improve here :)

    We had a pretty shitty season last year and most things that could go wrong, did.

    Trying to sympathise whilst also lifting everyone’s spirits a little :)

    Hope it worked.

    Hey, it worked for me. :2thumbs:
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
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    pittpnthrs wrote:We still have the safety that went into a locker room last season and told the opposing team to sign him


    Oh good God, get over it already.


    Why should he? Earl is still here and the point he was disputing is... "they were all gone". His point is valid IMO.

    No the POINT the OP was making, was Yes, we pretty much HAD a crap season in 2017, now, we can choose to wallow around in negativity, OR, put the shit behind us and move on.
    Or for some negative nellies? try'n find something new to be bummed about.


    Weird post. It was not even to the OP that he responded to. Also, we always get to make that choice, not just in 2018. :roll: Expressing opinion on Earl staying is not "wallowing in the negative". He's a top level all pro level player. But keeping a player around that thumbs his nose at the team and fans is going to bring controversy.....period.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
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    Jerhawk wrote:I assumed this post was in regards to the previous 40 years prior to XLVIII by the title.

    Good post tho, last season was frustrating. In fact, everything has been frustrating since the end of 49.

    I don't see 9-7 as hitting Rick bottom tho, compared to the early 90s teams imo.
    If anything last season will hopefully serve as a wakeup call to Carroll and co.


    Yeah of course last season pails in significance to the earlier years, but most don’t tend to moan about them. It’s the current vibe I’m trying to improve here :)

    We had a pretty shitty season last year and most things that could go wrong, did.

    Trying to sympathise whilst also lifting everyone’s spirits a little :)

    Hope it worked.

    Hey, it worked for me. :2thumbs:


    Thanks, made me smile :2thumbs:
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  • original poster wrote:
    Jerhawk wrote:I assumed this post was in regards to the previous 40 years prior to XLVIII by the title.

    Good post tho, last season was frustrating. In fact, everything has been frustrating since the end of 49.

    I don't see 9-7 as hitting Rick bottom tho, compared to the early 90s teams imo.
    If anything last season will hopefully serve as a wakeup call to Carroll and co.


    Yeah of course last season pails in significance to the earlier years, but most don’t tend to moan about them. It’s the current vibe I’m trying to improve here :)

    We had a pretty shitty season last year and most things that could go wrong, did.

    Trying to sympathise whilst also lifting everyone’s spirits a little :)

    Hope it worked.


    Oh heck yeah it worked. It was a great read, I meant no disrespect.

    Looking forward to next year. Can't wait to see how the team responds to this adversity!
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  • I have been a season ticket holder for 35 years. I have seen the good bad and the ugly. This will be a rebuilding year. Despite this we might surprise some people. None the less our division has gotten just a tad tougher with all of the trades recently. I will continue to support the Hawks like I have since they came to town.
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  • Absolutely, win or lose, it will never sway me.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Great post! The beautiful thing about hitting rock bottom is that it forces you pick yourself back up.

    I just saw the over/under in Vegas is 8 wins for the Seahawks. Take the over if you're a betting man! Seahawks are going to surprise some people with how quickly they rebound.

    Go Hawks!


    Rock bottom? You have got to be kidding.
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  • Seanhawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:Great post! The beautiful thing about hitting rock bottom is that it forces you pick yourself back up.

    I just saw the over/under in Vegas is 8 wins for the Seahawks. Take the over if you're a betting man! Seahawks are going to surprise some people with how quickly they rebound.

    Go Hawks!


    Rock bottom? You have got to be kidding.


    Nope...he's not. Rock bottom for the "2018 fans" is the key there.
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  • Seanhawk wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:Great post! The beautiful thing about hitting rock bottom is that it forces you pick yourself back up.

    I just saw the over/under in Vegas is 8 wins for the Seahawks. Take the over if you're a betting man! Seahawks are going to surprise some people with how quickly they rebound.

    Go Hawks!


    Rock bottom? You have got to be kidding.


    Agreed.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Oh good God, get over it already.


    Why should he? Earl is still here and the point he was disputing is... "they were all gone". His point is valid IMO.

    No the POINT the OP was making, was Yes, we pretty much HAD a crap season in 2017, now, we can choose to wallow around in negativity, OR, put the shit behind us and move on.
    Or for some negative nellies? try'n find something new to be bummed about.


    Weird post. It was not even to the OP that he responded to. Also, we always get to make that choice, not just in 2018. :roll: Expressing opinion on Earl staying is not "wallowing in the negative". He's a top level all pro level player. But keeping a player around that thumbs his nose at the team and fans is going to bring controversy.....period.

    So, hmm, you're admitting that y'all are being CONTRARY, and got completely AWAY from the OP's OP? :roll: interesting indeed. :141847_bnono:
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  • If 9-7 is rock bottom, then we have truly become spoiled. I thought rock bottom was Mirer.
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    This may sound crazy, but here is what I miss the most. The belief/feeling that no matter what the circumstances were on the field that we would still have a chance to win every game. I look forward to regaining some of that magic this year.
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  • Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.
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  • Over 40 years of SEAHAWK football so I'm in it for the long haul and last year wasn't even close to some of the things hawk fans have endured like the vinny testaverde five foot away from the goal line and the refs called it a TD
    That's the reason we have replay becauase of that play , not even gonna talk about SB 40 and many others
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  • AgentDib wrote:Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.


    And that is EXACTLY what I am trying to improve.

    Not just after games, though. All the time.

    I want less of the 'doom and gloom' and more of the 'friendly atmosphere' around here. :2thumbs:
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  • original poster wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.


    And that is EXACTLY what I am trying to improve.

    Not just after games, though. All the time.

    I want less of the 'doom and gloom' and more of the 'friendly atmosphere' around here. :2thumbs:

    Nice post OP..
    I notice in the first pic it looks like Aros to me in there(maybe not) and some of the other pics
    are pretty cool.The Seahulk one made me laugh(Is he retired)?
    I understand the gloom and toxic part ect .It seemed to pick up after those 2 SB years and I'm
    not sure how much could have been done but really it has improved since then.
    I'm looking foward to this season so we can shock some people but I'm not expecting a SB
    and I will try to save any downer thoughts for after season.GO HAWKS!!!
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  • original poster wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.


    And that is EXACTLY what I am trying to improve.

    Not just after games, though. All the time.

    I want less of the 'doom and gloom' and more of the 'friendly atmosphere' around here. :2thumbs:


    Then you must be taking happy pills, this board has always been this way to a variable of degrees, there no success that can't be dissected to find a fault and no failure that can't have a group find a positive in it and argue both till it has been beat to death.

    But that also is why we get great posts with detailed breakdowns supporting aspects of arguements and help with better understanding of the team.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    AgentDib wrote:Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.


    And that is EXACTLY what I am trying to improve.

    Not just after games, though. All the time.

    I want less of the 'doom and gloom' and more of the 'friendly atmosphere' around here. :2thumbs:


    Then you must be taking happy pills, this board has always been this way to a variable of degrees, there no success that can't be dissected to find a fault and no failure that can't have a group find a positive in it and argue both till it has been beat to death.

    But that also is why we get great posts with detailed breakdowns supporting aspects of arguements and help with better understanding of the team.


    So because it's always been like that we should just carry on as we are?

    I disagree. Strongly.

    Of course I don't have a problem with differing opinions, that's life. But in the words of many, this place has become toxic and just not 'fun'.

    You can either join me in trying to improve it or you can sit down and shut up (figuratively speaking) and have no place to moan when more and more good posters leave and the place is left as a shadow of its former self.

    This forum has a bad reputation. It has a reputation largely due to the negativity and seemingly people moaning for the sake of moaning. If you don't want this place to become the number 1 place for Seahawks fans to talk, discuss and debate about Seahawks related topics, you're probably part of the problem why it currently isn't the number 1 place to talk, discuss and debate.
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  • original poster wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:Plenty of that stuff was indeed very bad, but come on we were still 9-7 and a couple of kicks away from 11-5. If that's rock bottom then we are ridiculously spoiled. I'm all for high expectations and optimism but having realistic expectations would go a long ways to making this place less toxic when we lose a game.


    And that is EXACTLY what I am trying to improve.

    Not just after games, though. All the time.

    I want less of the 'doom and gloom' and more of the 'friendly atmosphere' around here. :2thumbs:


    Then you must be taking happy pills, this board has always been this way to a variable of degrees, there no success that can't be dissected to find a fault and no failure that can't have a group find a positive in it and argue both till it has been beat to death.

    But that also is why we get great posts with detailed breakdowns supporting aspects of arguements and help with better understanding of the team.


    So because it's always been like that we should just carry on as we are?

    I disagree. Strongly.

    Of course I don't have a problem with differing opinions, that's life. But in the words of many, this place has become toxic and just not 'fun'.

    You can either join me in trying to improve it or you can sit down and shut up (figuratively speaking) and have no place to moan when more and more good posters leave and the place is left as a shadow of its former self.

    This forum has a bad reputation. It has a reputation largely due to the negativity and seemingly people moaning for the sake of moaning. If you don't want this place to become the number 1 place for Seahawks fans to talk, discuss and debate about Seahawks related topics, you're probably part of the problem why it currently isn't the number 1 place to talk, discuss and debate.


    Yup. It got to the point where people were not interested in discussing facts and solutions. They just wanted to complain . . . about everything. The constant complaining had a chilling effect on the participation and constructive nature of the board.
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  • It did, unfortunately.

    But slowly but surely it seems to be going in the opposite direction and there seems to be far more interesting topics popping up with lots and lots (and lots!) of posters adding genuinely fantastic content. It's great to see, really is.
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  • Yeah, the negativity is next level. But I'm working on spending less time calling out the Debbie Downer crowd and just enjoying the page. One day at a time..... :lol:
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  • original poster wrote:It did, unfortunately.

    But slowly but surely it seems to be going in the opposite direction and there seems to be far more interesting topics popping up with lots and lots (and lots!) of posters adding genuinely fantastic content. It's great to see, really is.


    I agree with you, and while I'd love to know that you, OP, and other Mods have been providing more behind-the-scenes direction to the negative ones on what kind of posts will keep the place exciting to visit, and useful for all things Seahawks, I fear the positive change is the result of several other team changes:
    1. The release of the main focus of negative talk: Bevell and Cable (and other assistants) I'm glad they're gone and we get a fresh start, but their departure brought great rejoicing from some of the most vocally negative, and far less to complain about. Secondary departures like Sherman and Bennett, both of whom are outspoken lightning rods for responses here, has contributed as well.
    2. A new draft year: hope springs eternal in April for even the downerist of Debbies. Because we're not losing games right now, many feel that we have a chance to compete again. Losing games creates bad attitudes.
    3. Pete and John drafted players that seem to harken back to the beginning of their tenure. We have much to be excited about.
    4. The cap situation looks like it is under control, not descending toward deficit spending under large contracts.
    5. Posters having enough with the hyperbole and emotion-based knee-jerk reactions are calling people on it, demanding facts to accompany the complaints. This should happen far more.
    6. We kept Earl Thomas; good for most, bad thing for only a few.

    We can be proud of the past decade of Hawks football, and we seem to be poised to keep the winning years going. I look forward to getting my Seahawk fix here--until we hit another run of poor games, and then it will all pick up again with the blame-game. Human nature, sadly.
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  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    original poster wrote:It did, unfortunately.

    But slowly but surely it seems to be going in the opposite direction and there seems to be far more interesting topics popping up with lots and lots (and lots!) of posters adding genuinely fantastic content. It's great to see, really is.


    I agree with you, and while I'd love to know that you, OP, and other Mods have been providing more behind-the-scenes direction to the negative ones on what kind of posts will keep the place exciting to visit, and useful for all things Seahawks, I fear the positive change is the result of several other team changes:
    1. The release of the main focus of negative talk: Bevell and Cable (and other assistants) I'm glad they're gone and we get a fresh start, but their departure brought great rejoicing from some of the most vocally negative, and far less to complain about. Secondary departures like Sherman and Bennett, both of whom are outspoken lightning rods for responses here, has contributed as well.
    2. A new draft year: hope springs eternal in April for even the downerist of Debbies. Because we're not losing games right now, many feel that we have a chance to compete again. Losing games creates bad attitudes.
    3. Pete and John drafted players that seem to harken back to the beginning of their tenure. We have much to be excited about.
    4. The cap situation looks like it is under control, not descending toward deficit spending under large contracts.
    5. Posters having enough with the hyperbole and emotion-based knee-jerk reactions are calling people on it, demanding facts to accompany the complaints. This should happen far more.
    6. We kept Earl Thomas; good for most, bad thing for only a few.

    We can be proud of the past decade of Hawks football, and we seem to be poised to keep the winning years going. I look forward to getting my Seahawk fix here--until we hit another run of poor games, and then it will all pick up again with the blame-game. Human nature, sadly.


    Very good points, Ad Hawk.

    I guess the state and feeling of the team is going to resonate through this forum given how linked we are to them.

    Good points :2thumbs:
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