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Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:01 am

Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:11 am
  • Earl can shove it where the sun doesn't shine as far as I'm concerned. Pay Brown and Clark and let Earl walk....for nothing for all I care. He showed his colors with Wagner and Garrett and that is enough for me to say goodbye (after 1 more year of whining about more $$ like Bennett).
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:13 am
  • This could go a lot of ways, signing him to an extension also makes him more tradable since it won't just be a one year rental for a team, secondly depending how it is structured they could give themselves room by adding a bonus into a more cap friendly year, lots of maneuvering could be done there.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:16 am
  • Seymour wrote:Earl can shove it where the sun doesn't shine as far as I'm concerned. Pay Brown and Clark and let Earl walk....for nothing for all I care. He showed his colors with Wagner and Garrett and that is enough for me to say goodbye (after 1 more year of whining about more $$ like Bennett).
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:16 am
  • Earl never did anything to Wager. He was asked a question in an interview and said Wagner probably should not have played in the Rams debacle because he was still hurt. If anything, that was a defense of Wagner.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:20 am
  • I dont care what he did, Earl is one of the best safeties in the league and i'm happy he's still here. I think the chances of resigning him to an extension is almost nonexistent though.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:38 am
  • chris98251 wrote:This could go a lot of ways, signing him to an extension also makes him more tradable since it won't just be a one year rental for a team, secondly depending how it is structured they could give themselves room by adding a bonus into a more cap friendly year, lots of maneuvering could be done there.


    I have to agree with you. I think the biggest thing stopping us from getting a bigger payoff from Earl is the fact that he was so adamant about playing for the Cowboys which really strangled our hopes from trading him to another team willing to roll the dice on keeping him longer than his year and no one wanted to take that chance. If we extend him and THEN trade him, I feel like a 2nd and 4th MINIMUM from next year's draft won't be such a reach.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:53 am
  • He screwed himself. We couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for him (I wouldn't either). If there is extension, it better not be near the realm of highest paid safety. Hawks hold the cards now, not him.

    There are still reports/speculation that Dallas is still trying to get him though. Nothing is certain yet.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 11:54 am
  • vin.couve12 wrote:He screwed himself. We couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for him (I wouldn't either). If there is extension, it better not be near the realm of highest paid safety. Hawks hold the cards now, not him.

    There are still reports/speculation that Dallas is still trying to get him though. Nothing is certain yet.


    I don't think Earl ever wanted to be traded. He was concerned that he would be.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 12:24 pm
  • If Earl is extended I’ll be keeping everything possible crossed that it turns out to be a good contract that he plays to or above.

    I really wouldn’t expect (legitimate) trade talks to flair up if he is extended, though. The chance if there being a pretty hefty signing bonus is a given and if he was traded, Seattle would be on the hook for said signing bonus.

    If he’s extended, he’s staying. Seems odd that this needs clarifying but there’s been so much floating around it’s worth pointing out.

    It’s hard not to be excited that we possibly get an All Pro safety locked up for a few more years. Although I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t slightly concerned given the string of luck we’ve had with 3rd contracts of late.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 12:31 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:He screwed himself. We couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for him (I wouldn't either). If there is extension, it better not be near the realm of highest paid safety. Hawks hold the cards now, not him.

    There are still reports/speculation that Dallas is still trying to get him though. Nothing is certain yet.


    If you're a GM, and think you're SB window is open? Why the hell wouldn't you think a top 5 safety is worth a 2nd round pick?

    Makes me think the Hawks wanted more than just a 2nd rounder for Earl, or else the Cowboys or another team would have pulled that trigger, even if it was just a one year rental.

    But no, I've said from day one, no way in hell I'm giving Earl an Eric Berry-esque monster extension, which is what's reported he wants. Two year incentive laden extension to prove he's not going to keep missing large chunks of the season due to injury? Sure, I'm down with that.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 12:36 pm
  • ET is one of the best, if not THE best player on the roster. Pay the man.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 12:50 pm
  • I love Earl but the fact is, his market value is not worth what he wants. Let him play out his contract this year and then do a franchise or sign and trade next year.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 12:50 pm
  • Zowert wrote:ET is one of the best, if not THE best player on the roster. Pay the man.

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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:03 pm
  • You have to pay your core players! Earl is a core player! Extend him or just franchise him until he's too expensive to franchise. He is too good of a player for just a 2nd round pick.

    The hypocrisy of these butthurt fans still being upset with Earl needs to get over it...Look what they did to Sherman.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:12 pm
  • Anything more than 2yrs would come back and bite us in the ass. I say let him walk.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:14 pm
  • I'm glad the club makes these decisions an not the fans. If he's worth an extension he'll get one. If the Hawks can get a 3rd round comp to let him go elsewhere and get over paid then it will happen.

    I like the fact he's in a contract year and hopefully he plays like it and stays healthy. The Hawks will benefit from that.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:30 pm
  • Will land somewhere between the nice safe 2-year extension this thread suggests (and which I'd agree with) and the monster extension Earl wants.

    Basically, it'll land in exactly the right spot to ensure the debate continues to rage on .NET.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:35 pm
  • I would still try to trade him if at all possible. If we aren't going to get good value, then I am fine with playing hardball. He wants an extension, or he wants to hold out? Good luck buddy, we hold all of the power here. Given previous tweets, the cowboys locker room fiasco --- and his passive aggressive stance towards a few teammates, I think it is safe to say that he has mentally checked out long ago.

    If he wants to hold out, I say let him. When he holds out for long enough, and the league bleeds him dry with penalties he will come running back. We could even drag this out with the franchise tag if he wants to be difficult. The Seahawks, and Pete Carroll need to assert their dominance here. We shouldn't trade him for mere scraps, and we also shouldn't just cave in and give him what he wants if he is being unreasonable.

    Earl Thomas can't afford to play a war of attrition with the Seahawks. If we do end up trading him, I sincerely hope that he goes to the Cleveland Browns. Both out of spite, and the prospect of having an advantageous spot in the draft.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 1:38 pm
  • So are we generally averse to third contracts for all players? I've even seen a fair few here who are against re-signing Russell Wilson.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 2:02 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:I would still try to trade him if at all possible. If we aren't going to get good value, then I am fine with playing hardball. He wants an extension, or he wants to hold out? Good luck buddy, we hold all of the power here. Given previous tweets, the cowboys locker room fiasco --- and his passive aggressive stance towards a few teammates, I think it is safe to say that he has mentally checked out long ago.

    If he wants to hold out, I say let him. When he holds out for long enough, and the league bleeds him dry with penalties he will come running back. We could even drag this out with the franchise tag if he wants to be difficult. The Seahawks, and Pete Carroll need to assert their dominance here. We shouldn't trade him for mere scraps, and we also shouldn't just cave in and give him what he wants if he is being unreasonable.

    Earl Thomas can't afford to play a war of attrition with the Seahawks. If we do end up trading him, I sincerely hope that he goes to the Cleveland Browns. Both out of spite, and the prospect of having an advantageous spot in the draft.


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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 2:19 pm
  • Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 5:50 pm
  • Earl has always been an emotional guy. He's contemplated retirement due to injury and then realized he didn't actually want to retire. He told Dallas to "come get me" because he thought the Hawks might kick him to the curb, then had to publicly explain that's what he meant.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 6:00 pm
  • Get it done, having Earl patrol the back end is more important then ever. This defense still has a chance to be really good, I'm not saying that if Earl is gone.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 6:28 pm
  • The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 7:11 pm
  • We have to be able to play Jerry Jones. Guy is full of himself. Lets get a first and a third over two years.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 8:28 pm
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



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Re: Extension for Earl?
Wed May 02, 2018 9:52 pm
  • rcaido wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



    Did you watch the video?

    https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... =cbssports

    Yes I did. He shouldn't have said anything about Wagner to the media, end of story, period. Good safety, but at this point I won't be sad to see him go for the right price. The guy has conducted himself in a way not befitting of the team nor himself this season.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 4:44 am
  • If he wants out fine but we need to get something for him, the Hawks can't let him walk for nothing.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 4:52 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
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    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



    Did you watch the video?

    https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... =cbssports

    Yes I did. He shouldn't have said anything about Wagner to the media, end of story, period. Good safety, but at this point I won't be sad to see him go for the right price. The guy has conducted himself in a way not befitting of the team nor himself this season.


    Earl was asked a question after the Rams debacle and noted that Wagner was playing through injury (which we all know, he heroically rushed back from).

    Wagner is the one who had to apologize for overreacting on twitter in the heat of the moment. It was, after all, a simple misunderstanding between teammates that some people refuse to let go.

    And why do some people refuse to let it go? Because they are butthurt over the "come get me" comment.

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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 6:55 am
  • Earl hasn't played a full season in two years, and through those 25 games his INT percentage has dropped from 21% to 16%. According to the draft, he's worth no more than a third round pick, which is likely what we would get in compensation if he walked. And if he holds out the last season of his contract, he will cut his value on the free market in half.

    He's making $10M a year now. I wouldn't offer him anything more than like 3yr/21M.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 7:00 am
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 7:31 am
  • SeaWolv wrote:If he wants out fine but we need to get something for him, the Hawks can't let him walk for nothing.


    We won't, unless Dallas and other teams want to wait two more years until the franchise tag gets cap prohibitive...............or Earl gets a major injury like Richard and we have to cut him.

    But then they're getting a two year older injured Earl, albeit for much cheaper.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 7:38 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



    Did you watch the video?

    https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... =cbssports

    Yes I did. He shouldn't have said anything about Wagner to the media, end of story, period. Good safety, but at this point I won't be sad to see him go for the right price. The guy has conducted himself in a way not befitting of the team nor himself this season.


    I guess that if you are thin skinned, then that would bother you. I say get over it already. The fans and the media just keep dredging this crap up. I mean, c'mon. There are still pages long arguments over crap that happened 4 years ago or more. Whether or not Earl stays, it is past time to put this crap in the rear view, and realize this team is doing exactly what you have all wanted for years. They fired the coaching staff and are rebuilding the roster. Get over it and move on, because all of us in here repeating ourselves for years is doing nothing. That's what this is, years of just repeating ourselves.
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Thu May 03, 2018 8:28 am
  • I don't get why some are so incensed by the Earl/Bobby thing. They are grown men, let them handle it. Earl simply told the truth. Some people viscerally hate RW because he's very political and doesn't rock the boat and yet when a player is candid like Earl was, they chastise him? Does anyone dispute that Wagner shouldn't have played? I respect that he gutted it out, but the coaching staff should've taken him out after seeing he clearly wasn't up to it. To whoever implied Earl shared that on social media, he absolutely did not, it was a locker room interview.

    Complaining about player personalities is just a waste of brain cells IMO. It's up to the coaches and players to deal with that stuff. Same thing with Cowboy fans bitching about Dez, Giants fans who don't like Odell, Steelers fans with AB. These guys just offend people's sensibilities for one reason or another and are fantastic players who make the games more fun to watch. It's just dumb. We're not talking about the Greg Hardy's and Ray Rice's of the NFL here, who are actual criminals.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 am
  • If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:04 am
  • Hawkfish wrote:If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?


    Not sure, but the tags were just released for 2018, and safety is 11.8M.

    Which is what I've been saying, Earl already makes over 10M this year, so bumping him up to 12M to franchise him for 2019, and even 2020 isn't going to be a big cap hit.

    Which believe me, if he plays well this year? He's getting franchised whether he likes it or not.
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:08 am
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    Hawkfish wrote:If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?


    Not sure, but the tags were just released for 2018, and safety is 11.8M.

    Which is what I've been saying, Earl already makes over 10M this year, so bumping him up to 12M to franchise him for 2019, and even 2020 isn't going to be a big cap hit.

    Which believe me, if he plays well this year? He's getting franchised whether he likes it or not.


    I just don't see it happening. PC/JS have had multiple opportunities to franchise tag players during their time and to my knowledge they have never done it before, I doubt they'll do it now. I could be wrong, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:11 am
  • Hawkfish wrote:If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?


    For safeties this year, the non-exclusive franchise tag was $11.27 million or 120% of previous year's salary. The franchise tag is calculated based on the the average of the five highest salaries at the player’s position. Next year's franchise tag amounts won't be officially known until the scouting combine in or around March 2019. Earl's salary is $8.5 million this year. 120% of his salary would be $10.2 million. Next year's franchise tag amount for safeties will probably be higher than that.

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Thu May 03, 2018 9:13 am
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    Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



    Did you watch the video?

    https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... =cbssports

    Yes I did. He shouldn't have said anything about Wagner to the media, end of story, period. Good safety, but at this point I won't be sad to see him go for the right price. The guy has conducted himself in a way not befitting of the team nor himself this season.


    I guess that if you are thin skinned, then that would bother you. I say get over it already. The fans and the media just keep dredging this crap up. I mean, c'mon. There are still pages long arguments over crap that happened 4 years ago or more. Whether or not Earl stays, it is past time to put this crap in the rear view, and realize this team is doing exactly what you have all wanted for years. They fired the coaching staff and are rebuilding the roster. Get over it and move on, because all of us in here repeating ourselves for years is doing nothing. That's what this is, years of just repeating ourselves.


    Thin skinned? Then 31 ownerships, GM and head coaches are thin skinned as no one is stepping forward to claim our HOF pro bowl FS. Could they be Afraid earl will offend their fan base? May be. Afraid earl will insult the HC, GM, ownership that invested in him? May be. In the end, no one claimed our Earl, even with John’s effort in marketing him. Not even lowly Browns that needs safety. We have to conclude they are all thin skinned. To thin skinned to make a reasonable offer in condition that earl signs long term contract. Darn those 31 thin skin GMs.

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Thu May 03, 2018 9:14 am
  • jmahon316 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Hawkfish wrote:If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?


    Not sure, but the tags were just released for 2018, and safety is 11.8M.

    Which is what I've been saying, Earl already makes over 10M this year, so bumping him up to 12M to franchise him for 2019, and even 2020 isn't going to be a big cap hit.

    Which believe me, if he plays well this year? He's getting franchised whether he likes it or not.


    I just don't see it happening. PC/JS have had multiple opportunities to franchise tag players during their time and to my knowledge they have never done it before, I doubt they'll do it now. I could be wrong, but that's just like, my opinion, man.


    True, but we've never had a player under them that was worthy of being tagged.

    Okung was probably the closest player to having that debate.

    But like I said, if Earl stays healthy and has an All Pro type year? How can we not franchise him, if for nothing else than to try to trade him next off season again.

    Plus our cap space gets a LOT better next year, so there will be plenty of cap room to do it.
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:21 am
  • Eric Berry is getting $19 million in cash this year. I wonder how that will impact next year's franchise tag for safeties.

    I'm confused about what part of the salary factors into the equation.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cash/safety/

    Also, does anyone know whether salary is considered total cash received or just cap hit? If it's cap hit, then 120% of Earl's cap hit would be $12.48 million. If so, that would become the franchise tag floor for Earl.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 9:29 am
  • I really don't understand all the rage towards Earl Thomas.

    Hasn't he played his heart out for this team? He's an all pro safety and people want to ride him out of town because he showed admiration for another team or upset a team mate.

    Seriously?
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Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am
  • Own The West wrote:I really don't understand all the rage towards Earl Thomas.

    Hasn't he played his heart out for this team? He's an all pro safety and people want to ride him out of town because he showed admiration for another team or upset a team mate.

    Seriously?


    No rage on my part, I love Earl...............I just don't want to pay him 80M over 5-6 years with 40M+ guaranteed like he wants.

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Thu May 03, 2018 9:39 am
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    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore.


    It's really not.
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Re: Extension for Earl?
Thu May 03, 2018 9:53 am
  • Spin Doctor wrote:
    rcaido wrote:
    Spin Doctor wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:Pick on him about the Dallas BS all you want. That was Earl being a bit of a dork.


    But what he said about Wagner is true.

    Did anyone watch that game?

    The place where Wagz was supposed to be, is where the Rams ran it.

    EVERY TIME.

    With great success.

    He could not get there. He could not defend the run. We had no chance in hell because of that. They could move the ball at will and they blew us the hell out on our own field. You can't let that happen.

    I don't know what the coaching staff was thinking, but BW was the worst player on the field that day.... Earl was telling the stone cold truth. He shouldn't have been playing.

    Here is the crux of the issue here. It may have been the truth, but Earl Thomas called out Wagner on social media. That is unacceptable, and unprofessional. This is why Wagner got upset, and quite frankly it was a really crappy thing for Earl to do to his teammate. These are the types of things that need to be handled in private --- not the public sphere.

    "That was Earl being a bit of a dork" . Is that what it is now? That is Thomas essentially saying, I don't want to be here anymore. That, with him contemplating retirement kind of speaks volumes of what he thinks about the Seahawks. He is not conducting himself in a professional manor, and while he may be the best safety in the league in the moment, how much is that worth? He is nearing his 30s and his play style is largely predicated on his range. Is it really worth giving this type of player a third contract? Especially under a head coach with Pete Carroll's MO. I, personally don't think he is worth keeping around given his TO like antics last season.

    Some may think he is worth keeping -- and given his body of work I can understand that sentiment. When one throws the recent antics and age, the prospect of keeping him becomes a less desirable proposition. I think the FO would agree with this assessment as well given how actively they were trying to move him. I'm just glad that Pete and Schneider didn't ship him away for pocket change. I hope they hold their ground on this issue, either find somebody that is willing to give up a decent pick or tow a hard line with Earl.



    Did you watch the video?

    https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status ... =cbssports

    Yes I did. He shouldn't have said anything about Wagner to the media, end of story, period. Good safety, but at this point I won't be sad to see him go for the right price. The guy has conducted himself in a way not befitting of the team nor himself this season.


    Wow seriously, after seeing that video, you really think he was trying to put Wagner on blast? You have other players punching each other in practice, players or coaches yelling at each other. They were able to move on but for some reason, someone who has been loyal to the organization throughout his career, having no past incident while being an all pro ended up saying something he shouldn't have(even though it was true) to another player is unforgivable to fans?
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Thu May 03, 2018 12:22 pm
  • Own The West wrote:I really don't understand all the rage towards Earl Thomas.

    Hasn't he played his heart out for this team? He's an all pro safety and people want to ride him out of town because he showed admiration for another team or upset a team mate.

    Seriously?


    I'm with you. When he was hurt, all you would hear around here is how opposing teams TD passes or scores wouldnt have happened if Earl was back there, and now nobody seems to care if he's here or not. I dont want to give him a 5 year contract, but i'd be fine with a 2 or 3 year deal.
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Thu May 03, 2018 12:34 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Hawkfish wrote:If he plays out his contract, what would be the franchise tag number for him in 2019?


    Not sure, but the tags were just released for 2018, and safety is 11.8M.

    Which is what I've been saying, Earl already makes over 10M this year, so bumping him up to 12M to franchise him for 2019, and even 2020 isn't going to be a big cap hit.

    Which believe me, if he plays well this year? He's getting franchised whether he likes it or not.


    I just don't see it happening. PC/JS have had multiple opportunities to franchise tag players during their time and to my knowledge they have never done it before, I doubt they'll do it now. I could be wrong, but that's just like, my opinion, man.


    True, but we've never had a player under them that was worthy of being tagged.

    Okung was probably the closest player to having that debate.

    But like I said, if Earl stays healthy and has an All Pro type year? How can we not franchise him, if for nothing else than to try to trade him next off season again.

    Plus our cap space gets a LOT better next year, so there will be plenty of cap room to do it.


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Re: Extension for Earl?
Fri May 04, 2018 9:53 am
  • Jesus I wish you guys would quit throwing up interception totals as value of a player, If you were playing basketball and had a choice who you were going to play 1 on 1 would you choose Jordan, Lebron, Elgin Baylor or a freshman in college ?

    Then say the other guys suck after you beat the freshman if your fortunate anyway.

    Earl doesn't get challenged one on one, he supports, and makes his reads and pick chances, if he isn't nailing the guy. About the only time a QB will challenge him will be in a red zone throw to a taller receiver.
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