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  • “Per a source with knowledge of the situation,” Florio explains, “The current expectation from Wilson’s perspective is that he’ll finish his current deal and receive the franchise tag in 2020. Based on his 2019 cap number of $25.286 million, it will cost the Seahawks $30.34 million to keep him for another season after the expiration of his current deal.”

    Florio notes if Wilson does choose to go the franchise tag route as Cousins did in Washington, it gets very expensive for Seattle. A second straight franchise tag will cost the Seahawks $36.41 million for 2021, and a third for 2022 would be worth $52.43 million.

    Before beginning any kind of negotiations with Seattle, it’s highly likely Wilson is waiting for one important domino to fall – Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Although Rodgers has two years remaining on his current deal as well, he is expected to sign a new record-setting contract this offseason.
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  • My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.
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  • chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.


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    That being said, with a 100 million guaranteed contract already being out there, rest assured, Wilson won’t be cheap to keep.
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  • $119 million for 3 years if he goes that way ..That is pretty ugly and no way is he going to be worth that..
    One million off my figures in past posts that he will be going for ha ha..
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  • So time to start thinking about our next QB???
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  • Yeah CornFlorio is already starting his rumor fest on the Seahawks it seems, with Earl and now Russell.
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  • So the Hawks have RW under their control for 3 more years for "reasonable money". That gives them plenty of time to find a replacement.
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  • With the CBA up after the 2021 season (I think) It could pay serious dividends to have Russ play on the franchise tag for 2020 and 2021.

    Sure, it'll cost a bit more in the short term, but who knows what the CBA will bring this time around?

    When I sat down and really thought about it, I'd be very surprised if they got a long term deal done in the mean time. I guess they could agree a 3 year extension after this season as well, but I'd be very shocked if they lock him up past the 2021 season until they know what the wording in the CBA is.
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  • original poster wrote:With the CBA up after the 2021 season (I think) It could pay serious dividends to have Russ play on the franchise tag for 2020 and 2021.

    Sure, it'll cost a bit more in the short term, but who knows what the CBA will bring this time around?

    When I sat down and really thought about it, I'd be very surprised if they got a long term deal done in the mean time. I guess they could agree a 3 year extension after this season as well, but I'd be very shocked if they lock him up past the 2021 season until they know what the wording in the CBA is.


    Yeah, by that time they could rule that the cap rules aren't applicable to robots and we can pay Russ whatever we want without it counting against the cap.
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  • Seanhawk wrote:
    original poster wrote:With the CBA up after the 2021 season (I think) It could pay serious dividends to have Russ play on the franchise tag for 2020 and 2021.

    Sure, it'll cost a bit more in the short term, but who knows what the CBA will bring this time around?

    When I sat down and really thought about it, I'd be very surprised if they got a long term deal done in the mean time. I guess they could agree a 3 year extension after this season as well, but I'd be very shocked if they lock him up past the 2021 season until they know what the wording in the CBA is.


    Yeah, by that time they could rule that the cap rules aren't applicable to robots and we can pay Russ whatever we want without it counting against the cap.


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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Turtles, I like them


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  • chris98251 wrote:Yeah CornFlorio is already starting his rumor fest on the Seahawks it seems, with Earl and now Russell.


    Exactly. We don't even know if Pete and John will be here in 2020 yet we are suppose to "worry" about Russell gettting franchise tagged? Lame narrative IMO, there are better stories to "dream up" than this lame piece of crap for work.

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  • I'm gonna go ahead and not give a single crap about this for at least another year.
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  • Chapow wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and not give a single crap about this for at least another year.


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  • Franchise tag is a very real possibility.

    I don't think John and Pete, for as much as they love Russell are very excited about giving him a Matt Ryan extension at 32M+ a year for the next 5-6 years.

    So it makes sense to franchise Russell and see if we can find another QB in the draft over the next couple years.

    But like I've said numerous times, you don't let Russell go without having his replacement ready to take over the offense, and right now that doesn't exist.................so franchise.
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  • Florio spends every day trying to either make crap up, or create some drama that flat out doesn't exist.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Franchise tag is a very real possibility.

    I don't think John and Pete, for as much as they love Russell are very excited about giving him a Matt Ryan extension at 32M+ a year for the next 5-6 years.

    So it makes sense to franchise Russell and see if we can find another QB in the draft over the next couple years.

    But like I've said numerous times, you don't let Russell go without having his replacement ready to take over the offense, and right now that doesn't exist.................so franchise.


    These dumb ass contracts are going to change how teams think. It will no longer be automatic to re-sign franchise QB's. It is no coincidence that many SB's are being won by QB's on their rookie deals, or under payed "lessor" QB's. They can spend money other places and be dominant. (Steelers, Ravens. Seahawks, Eagles.....ect).

    Contracts like that (Ryan / Cousins) are going to ruin the game, and bring HATE to the franchise QB near you. Write that story CornFlorio!! :17:
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Franchise tag is a very real possibility.

    I don't think John and Pete, for as much as they love Russell are very excited about giving him a Matt Ryan extension at 32M+ a year for the next 5-6 years.

    So it makes sense to franchise Russell and see if we can find another QB in the draft over the next couple years.

    But like I've said numerous times, you don't let Russell go without having his replacement ready to take over the offense, and right now that doesn't exist.................so franchise.


    These dumb ass contracts are going to change how teams think. It will no longer be automatic to re-sign franchise QB's. It is no coincidence that many SB's are being won by QB's on their rookie deals, or under payed "lessor" QB's. They can spend money other places and be dominant. (Steelers, Ravens. Seahawks, Eagles.....ect).

    Contracts like that are going to ruin the game, and bring HATE to the franchise QB near you. Write that story CornFlorio!! :17:


    It certainly is changing how teams think.

    Rodgers is arguably the best QB in the league, and the Packers still haven't given him his extension. The Ravens just spent a #1 on Jackson cause they already got burned with one Flacco extension, and don't want to do another. Skins refused to give Cousins a monster extension, and I betcha they'll be just as good without him.

    The data is out there, and it isn't good. Teams that break the bank giving their "elite" QB's huge extensions have't fared well after trying to piece together a SB caliber roster with their QB soaking up almost 20% of the cap.
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  • Wow, we are talking about a situation that hasn't happened as if it might be true, based upon an unnamed source believed to have knowledge of the situation? OK, right, whatever? Wake me up please when this becomes a real problem.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Franchise tag is a very real possibility.

    I don't think John and Pete, for as much as they love Russell are very excited about giving him a Matt Ryan extension at 32M+ a year for the next 5-6 years.

    So it makes sense to franchise Russell and see if we can find another QB in the draft over the next couple years.

    But like I've said numerous times, you don't let Russell go without having his replacement ready to take over the offense, and right now that doesn't exist.................so franchise.


    These dumb ass contracts are going to change how teams think. It will no longer be automatic to re-sign franchise QB's. It is no coincidence that many SB's are being won by QB's on their rookie deals, or under payed "lessor" QB's. They can spend money other places and be dominant. (Steelers, Ravens. Seahawks, Eagles.....ect).

    Contracts like that are going to ruin the game, and bring HATE to the franchise QB near you. Write that story CornFlorio!! :17:


    It certainly is changing how teams think.

    Rodgers is arguably the best QB in the league, and the Packers still haven't given him his extension.
    The Ravens just spent a #1 on Jackson cause they already got burned with one Flacco extension, and don't want to do another. Skins refused to give Cousins a monster extension, and I betcha they'll be just as good without him.

    The data is out there, and it isn't good. Teams that break the bank giving their "elite" QB's huge extensions have't fared well after trying to piece together a SB caliber roster with their QB soaking up almost 20% of the cap.


    Rodgers still has 2 years left just like Russell, that is more media hype....no rush on him. Not everyone is buying into the "scalp the team if you are a franchise QB" either!
    Drew Brees signed a 2 year, $50,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including a $10,500,000 signing bonus, $27,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2018, Brees will earn a base salary of $10,200,000, a signing bonus of $13,500,000 and a roster bonus of $3,300,000, while carrying a cap hit of $24,000,000 and a dead cap value of $45,000,000.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Rodgers still has 2 years left just like Russell, that is more media hype....no rush on him. Not everyone is buying into the "scalp the team if you are a franchise QB" either!
    Drew Brees signed a 2 year, $50,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including a $10,500,000 signing bonus, $27,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2018, Brees will earn a base salary of $10,200,000, a signing bonus of $13,500,000 and a roster bonus of $3,300,000, while carrying a cap hit of $24,000,000 and a dead cap value of $45,000,000.


    Yep, if you have a QB like Brady or Brees that isn't hell bent on breaking salary records you can still be competitive.

    But is Russell in the Brady/Brees camp? Or is he in the Flacco/Ryan/Rodgers camp? Russell's already altered his contract to help the team, so I hope he's more in the Brady/Brees camp, but we won't know.

    Because that difference of 10M per year is 1-2 impact players.
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  • It make sense that'd he would wait for Rodgers since Jameis and Mariota havent shown enough to get record breaking deals. Last go round Russel and his agent waited for Cam Newton to get paid first since they use to share the same agent, since Cam and Luck wont be FA till 2021 he cant use them.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Rodgers still has 2 years left just like Russell, that is more media hype....no rush on him. Not everyone is buying into the "scalp the team if you are a franchise QB" either!
    Drew Brees signed a 2 year, $50,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including a $10,500,000 signing bonus, $27,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $25,000,000. In 2018, Brees will earn a base salary of $10,200,000, a signing bonus of $13,500,000 and a roster bonus of $3,300,000, while carrying a cap hit of $24,000,000 and a dead cap value of $45,000,000.


    Yep, if you have a QB like Brady or Brees that isn't hell bent on breaking salary records you can still be competitive.

    But is Russell in the Brady/Brees camp? Or is he in the Flacco/Ryan/Rodgers camp? Russell's already altered his contract to help the team, so I hope he's more in the Brady/Brees camp, but we won't know.

    Because that difference of 10M per year is 1-2 impact players.


    I prefer to avoid that part of the Florio hype, not there yet. But to be clear, Russell sacrificed nothing "to help the team", he just had money converted to bonus which actually gave him more cash last year that got pushed back to "help" kill the cap later. He also was not easy to sign to his first extension....so I'm 50/50 on him giving for the team.
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  • pmedic920 wrote:
    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.


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    That chic says that we won’t know anything about future contracts until we know about them.

    That being said, with a 100 million guaranteed contract already being out there, rest assured, Wilson won’t be cheap to keep.

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  • Seymour wrote:
    I prefer to avoid that part of the Florio hype, not there yet. But to be clear, Russell sacrificed nothing "to help the team", he just had money converted to bonus which actually gave him more cash last year that got pushed back to "help" kill the cap later. He also was not easy to sign to his first extension....so I'm 50/50 on him giving for the team.


    Yep, that's about where I am.

    Also remember as everyone brings up QB's like Brady and Brees, they're on their what? 3rd or 4th extension? Hell in Brady's case, it might be 5th or 6th extension.

    Russell's had one big payday, so I highly doubt this is the point in his prime that he accepts less to help the team. Because he knows if we don't pay him, someone else with far more cap and is desperate to turn their team around will.
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  • Interesting reading. I'm betting we franchise Russell for a few years.


    I get it. The NFL is a quarterbacks league. You can’t win without a good one, and you can’t get a good one without paying A LOT of money for him. That’s why good-but-not-great quarterbacks like Matthew Stafford sign for record money and everybody celebrates the deal. That’s why the Redskins get ripped for refusing to give an above average quarterback the biggest contract in NFL history.

    Here’s the problem with that sentiment: There is no proof that paying for a quarterback leads to winning. In fact, there is basically no correlation between a quarterback’s compensation and how many games he wins. We did the math.


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  • Hawkfish wrote:Interesting reading. I'm betting we franchise Russell for a few years.


    I get it. The NFL is a quarterbacks league. You can’t win without a good one, and you can’t get a good one without paying A LOT of money for him. That’s why good-but-not-great quarterbacks like Matthew Stafford sign for record money and everybody celebrates the deal. That’s why the Redskins get ripped for refusing to give an above average quarterback the biggest contract in NFL history.

    Here’s the problem with that sentiment: There is no proof that paying for a quarterback leads to winning. In fact, there is basically no correlation between a quarterback’s compensation and how many games he wins. We did the math.


    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/02/nfl-qu ... ree-agency


    From that article.....this is exactly what I'm talking about.
    Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback I’ve ever seen, yet he hasn’t made it back to a Super Bowl since signing his mega deal. Drew Brees is a top-five quarterback all-time in my book, and he hasn’t been close since cracking the $20-million-per-year barrier. Same goes for Russell Wilson.
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  • The trade-off for every franchise QB is whether to trying to squeeze every penny they can out of their contract OR whether to sign a smaller deal that provides their team with enough cap flexibility to contend, which leads to more endorsement money down the road.

    Brees signed a relatively smaller deal recently ($25 million APY), which has the Saints in a position to contend for a Super Bowl. In comparison, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, etc. are unlikely to contend at their current salary rate. A few million in cap flexibility can go a long way.
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  • Well there it is, not favored in games that don't start for 4 months. May as well pack it in :34853_doh:
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  • No harm in discussing the topic but Florio isn't a source for anything but click-bait conjecture. I know it's the title of the article, but "RW expects Seahawks to franchise tag.." isn't a great title here as inevitably the credulous posters treat it like a real news source.
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  • AgentDib wrote:No harm in discussing the topic but Florio isn't a source for anything but click-bait conjecture. I know it's the title of the article, but "RW expects Seahawks to franchise tag.." isn't a great title here as inevitably the credulous posters treat it like a real news source.


    I don't think anyone is taking what Florio writes as gospel, but it's an interesting conversation none the less.

    Is Russell worth the extension?
    Should we franchise him if it comes to a contract dispute?
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    Strongly agree with Brock. I don't think we have to have the best play action passing game, but if we can employ some of the creativity BoB and Shanahan have shown with the play action game, Russ will do much better. That historically good 2016 Falcons offense used play action very frequently. We don't have the pieces to be that great, but we shouldn't have to be.

    To be really specific, it'd be cool if we copied the exact same play that Watson threw the second TD to Fuller against. Wide receiver motion to play action fake to fake bubble screen (with a pump fake) to corner-route TD pass. As a fan, I'd like to see the Seahawks pull that off at least once. Preferably against the Rams. :stirthepot:
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Franchise tag is a very real possibility.

    I don't think John and Pete, for as much as they love Russell are very excited about giving him a Matt Ryan extension at 32M+ a year for the next 5-6 years.

    So it makes sense to franchise Russell and see if we can find another QB in the draft over the next couple years.

    But like I've said numerous times, you don't let Russell go without having his replacement ready to take over the offense, and right now that doesn't exist.................so franchise.


    These dumb ass contracts are going to change how teams think. It will no longer be automatic to re-sign franchise QB's. It is no coincidence that many SB's are being won by QB's on their rookie deals, or under payed "lessor" QB's. They can spend money other places and be dominant. (Steelers, Ravens. Seahawks, Eagles.....ect).

    Contracts like that (Ryan / Cousins) are going to ruin the game, and bring HATE to the franchise QB near you. Write that story CornFlorio!! :17:

    I totally agree.....The greed is getting totally out of hand, and it's RUINING the game.
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  • I heard from someone from Microsoft that Paul Allen traveled to the future to talk to John Connor. They are planning to send Russel T-2020 to replace the T-2012. The T-2012 got corrupted by women, fame, money, & mostly CaVell. We will get a team friendly contract w/ a prime Wilson. No distractions, no overthrows, & line to protect him.

    In all seriousness, they may franchise Russell for one year & then sign him to another big contract. As much as we all focus on winning, sometimes owners would rather make money or have a marquee player. Wilson will be an ambassador of the sport, there would be no one left if he leaves. Seahawks fan will never forgive the Seahawks if they let Wilson in his prime walk.
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  • These owners have dug another hole they will have to “lock out” the players to remedy, just like they had to when they let the rookie deals spiral out of control on the last CBA. Considering how über successful these guys are, it bewilders me that they just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
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  • Well a position cap per year is the only way they are going to stop the insanity and the Players won't like it much.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well a position cap per year is the only way they are going to stop the insanity and the Players won't like it much.



    Could mean more overall money to go around to the other positions though, don’t you think? I mean QB and superstars might hate it, but if less cap money is being utilized on a single position, It’s conceivable that the majority of players could actually benefit.
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  • rjdriver wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well a position cap per year is the only way they are going to stop the insanity and the Players won't like it much.



    Could mean more overall money to go around to the other positions though, don’t you think? I mean QB and superstars might hate it, but if less cap money is being utilized on a single position, It’s conceivable that the majority of players could actually benefit.


    Yes those second teir players O linemen that are not LT's ,Safties, DT'S, etc would get a bigger paycheck.
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  • I cannot believe people are questioning if Russell Wilson should be extended.

    I'm all for the franchise tag in 2020 and 2021 but not because I don't want to see Russ get a long term deal, I'm all for it purely down to agreeing it's best to see exactly what happens with the new CBA.

    I doubt player salaries will be capped, but even if they are it will grow by a certain amount or percentage each year. It could well pay off though to have him tagged in 2020 and 2021.
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  • The NFL has the perfect formula for parity with a rigid team salary cap and no limits on individual pay. As a result, players are paid based on what teams think their actual value will be to the upcoming seasons. The benefit of having a superstar is offset by the cost of paying them like one, and at the end of the day you have to be doing something very wrong to be consistently bad and very right to be consistently good.

    The NBA individual caps are a disaster for parity. For example, LeBron is worth double what he is getting paid, so any team he goes to automatically has a hugely increased chance of winning. That's fun if you just want to see the marquee players group up and win lots of rings but it isn't good for overall balance between the teams.
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  • original poster wrote:I cannot believe people are questioning if Russell Wilson should be extended.

    I'm all for the franchise tag in 2020 and 2021 but not because I don't want to see Russ get a long term deal, I'm all for it purely down to agreeing it's best to see exactly what happens with the new CBA.

    I doubt player salaries will be capped, but even if they are it will grow by a certain amount or percentage each year. It could well pay off though to have him tagged in 2020 and 2021.


    You're contradicting yourself.

    You say you can't believe people might not want to see Russell get extended, but then you're OK with franchising him. Those are two very different things, both roster and cap wise.

    Personally I don't think we have a choice with Russell until we draft or acquire another above average to elite QB..............OR Pete and John assemble another all time great defense where we could win another SB with an average QB and kick ass run game.

    Because right now? This team is a 4-5 win team without Russell, and even that might be generous.
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  • original poster wrote:I cannot believe people are questioning if Russell Wilson should be extended.

    I'm all for the franchise tag in 2020 and 2021 but not because I don't want to see Russ get a long term deal, I'm all for it purely down to agreeing it's best to see exactly what happens with the new CBA.

    I doubt player salaries will be capped, but even if they are it will grow by a certain amount or percentage each year. It could well pay off though to have him tagged in 2020 and 2021.


    There is a point of diminishing return on the dollar for every player, Russell included. Russell is my favorite Hawk, but that does not mean to me that there is not a cost that is too high to pay him. We are approaching that real quick, so I have no problem questioning the cost at a certain point myself.

    2021 franchise tag would cost us $36.4M. Nope....Bye Russell.

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    The top of the quarterback market has seen remarkable growth in the last year, with deals rising by approximately 22 percent during this span. By contrast, high-end quarterback contracts increased by just under 23 percent in the first 52 months after Aaron Rodgers became the NFL's highest paid player in April 2013 with a five-year, $110 million extension.
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