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    original poster wrote:I cannot believe people are questioning if Russell Wilson should be extended.

    I'm all for the franchise tag in 2020 and 2021 but not because I don't want to see Russ get a long term deal, I'm all for it purely down to agreeing it's best to see exactly what happens with the new CBA.

    I doubt player salaries will be capped, but even if they are it will grow by a certain amount or percentage each year. It could well pay off though to have him tagged in 2020 and 2021.


    There is a point of diminishing return on the dollar for every player, Russell included. Russell is my favorite Hawk, but that does not mean to me that there is not a cost that is too high to pay him. We are approaching that real quick, so I have no problem questioning the cost at a certain point myself.

    2021 franchise tag would cost us $36.4M. Nope....Bye Russell.

    More proof of "the problem"....
    The top of the quarterback market has seen remarkable growth in the last year, with deals rising by approximately 22 percent during this span. By contrast, high-end quarterback contracts increased by just under 23 percent in the first 52 months after Aaron Rodgers became the NFL's highest paid player in April 2013 with a five-year, $110 million extension.


    I can't believe I'm saying this since I love Russ and what he brings to the team, but I agree with Seymour here. There is a price that we should not pay as it dilutes the rest of the team. Top QBs always make their team competitive, and usually end up in the post-season frequently. But top teams win Super Bowls.
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  • Wilson wants to own a sports team one day. No way in hell does he take a single dime less than he thinks he is worth.
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  • You could Franchise Tag him. You can't really let him go until you get something better lined up. I like Russell Wilson a lot. But is he worth these crazy $30 million a year contracts they are now throwing around for a long term deal? IDK? And this is coming from somebody who actually likes him. I follow the Wisconsin Badgers and am a fan of them. He played QB there. I've known of Russell Wilson for a long time and liked his game. He is talented and has won. Albeit with a great, great defense backing him up. I don't know if he is the type of guy to put the team on his back and carry them to the Super Bowl like Tom Brady. He did get there with a super elite defense and a Beast mode RB. But I don't think that is the same thing as carrying the team by yourself to the Super Bowl. Don't get me wrong. I like Russell Wilson and think he is very talented in some ways. It's just is he worth these huge long term deals they are throwing around now a days?
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  • I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.
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  • ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    All the Eagles showed is that if you have a great young QB still on his rookie deal that you can afford to pay a backup like Foles 7-8M...............as we did when Russell was on his rookie deal, we could afford a backup like Jackson.
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  • ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    Yes I agree with a lot of this. But....... Foles is an EXTREMELY HIGH END BACKUP. You have to remember he was at a Pro Bowl level and is 6'5" 240 lbs. with a big league arm. He was the next big thing before he dropped off and struggled. But at one time he was playing at a super high level. So maybe sitting down got him out of his bad habits, got the second guessing out of his mind and he just played ball when he got back in there. I'm just saying Foles when playing at his top level best play is far better than most backups in this league. He certainly was playing his best in the playoffs. I thought his NFC Championship game and Super Bowl he was outstanding and playing at an elite level.

    With all that said I don't think Wilson is the type of guy who can put a team on his back and take them to the Super Bowl. He made Super Bowls but he had a SUPER ELITE DEFENSE backing him up and holding the other team down. Plus he had a Beast Mode RB who can carry 5 guys on his back on his way to the first down and moving the chains. Plus in those years I think his O Line was certainly much better than what he has now and his WR's were better than what he has now. The bottom line is he had lots and lots of help. He didn't do it by himself.

    Brady on the other hand has literally had years where his defense is ranked like in the 20's. Plus no elite WR's other than Randy Moss. But with the exception of Moss he had a bunch of marginal guys who he made look good with his pin point accuracy. Yes he has Gronk at TE. But he didn't always have that either earlier in his career. The point is with a few exceptions his 5 - 3 (8 times in the Super Bowl) lacked very elite defenses for the most part. It also lacked very elite WR's with the exception of Moss for a while. He also NEVER had a Beast Mode RB. He kind of would drag his teams into the Super Bowl because he is that good although people don't like to admit it. But I don't see how anybody could deny it anymore at this point. I used to even deny it early in his career. It just doesn't make sense to deny it anymore. It's a lot of Brady. A huge amount of Brady is why they had that run obviously.
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  • I don't think there's a question about whether Russ is talented enough to "carry at team." He is, and can do much more than simply pass the ball like Brady.

    But it requires a coaching staff that will call plays that take advantage of his strengths, and what the Defense is giving them. When Russ was passing a lot in 2015, he carried the team. He's shown he can do it. It's the play-calling that has diminished his opportunities. The problem isn't Russ.
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  • We are going to see if he can carry this team for the next year or two. The FO will have a lot of evidence on way or the other.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    All the Eagles showed is that if you have a great young QB still on his rookie deal that you can afford to pay a backup like Foles 7-8M...............as we did when Russell was on his rookie deal, we could afford a backup like Jackson.


    And we won how many playoff games and Super Bowls with Jackson?
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    original poster wrote:I cannot believe people are questioning if Russell Wilson should be extended.

    I'm all for the franchise tag in 2020 and 2021 but not because I don't want to see Russ get a long term deal, I'm all for it purely down to agreeing it's best to see exactly what happens with the new CBA.

    I doubt player salaries will be capped, but even if they are it will grow by a certain amount or percentage each year. It could well pay off though to have him tagged in 2020 and 2021.


    You're contradicting yourself.

    You say you can't believe people might not want to see Russell get extended, but then you're OK with franchising him. Those are two very different things, both roster and cap wise.

    Personally I don't think we have a choice with Russell until we draft or acquire another above average to elite QB..............OR Pete and John assemble another all time great defense where we could win another SB with an average QB and kick ass run game.

    Because right now? This team is a 4-5 win team without Russell, and even that might be generous.


    People are not questioning if Russ should get an extension for the same reason as I am.

    They are questioning if he is worthwhile at a given price to the team. I am questioning if it makes more sense to hold off of an extension until the CBA has been finalised.

    If the CBA wasn't being renewed shortly I would be 100% on board with paying Russ whatever it takes.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    The data is out there, and it isn't good. Teams that break the bank giving their "elite" QB's huge extensions have't fared well after trying to piece together a SB caliber roster with their QB soaking up almost 20% of the cap.


    Can you specify what this means? The data set is very limited on this and Matt Ryan was as close as can be to winning with a 16%+ cap hit. Do we think Atlanta blew that b/c they could have signed 1 more bench guy for 500k if Ryan had gone under 15%? I don't. Out of the divisional round playoff teams (top 8 teams) last year 4 spent over 12.9% on QB. ATL, MIN, NO and PIT. Did those 4 teams have teams good enough to contend? Because that should be the question not 'Did they win the SB?'. Limiting it to just the SB winner shrinks the data set too much to make any even halfway good causation analysis. Wilson for instance in the back end of his current contract only gets up to 13.5%. No crazy aberration as it relates to the % of high quality playoff teams. The year before 6 of the top 8 teams had over 12.6% QB cap hits and ATL who were up 28-3 had the highest hit at 16.6%.


    I'm not saying paying a QB big dollars doesn't hurt, but when you refer directly to "data" I just wish it was made more specific what you mean because it makes it sound real official but then didn't actually state what you meant or what the data was.

    Unfortunately there is 1 Patriots and it's a tough act to replicate what other teams have had recent long stretches of sustained success with low paid QB's other than the Seahawks in 2012-2014? A couple teams came up last year with cheap QB's after a decade of miserable play. Maybe Philadelphia is the answer to my question but they had some pretty lean years. The teams that appear in the playoffs regularly outside of Pats seem to have pretty established well paid QB's.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:
    ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    Yes I agree with a lot of this. But....... Foles is an EXTREMELY HIGH END BACKUP. You have to remember he was at a Pro Bowl level and is 6'5" 240 lbs. with a big league arm. He was the next big thing before he dropped off and struggled. But at one time he was playing at a super high level. So maybe sitting down got him out of his bad habits, got the second guessing out of his mind and he just played ball when he got back in there. I'm just saying Foles when playing at his top level best play is far better than most backups in this league. He certainly was playing his best in the playoffs. I thought his NFC Championship game and Super Bowl he was outstanding and playing at an elite level.

    With all that said I don't think Wilson is the type of guy who can put a team on his back and take them to the Super Bowl. He made Super Bowls but he had a SUPER ELITE DEFENSE backing him up and holding the other team down. Plus he had a Beast Mode RB who can carry 5 guys on his back on his way to the first down and moving the chains. Plus in those years I think his O Line was certainly much better than what he has now and his WR's were better than what he has now. The bottom line is he had lots and lots of help. He didn't do it by himself.

    Brady on the other hand has literally had years where his defense is ranked like in the 20's. Plus no elite WR's other than Randy Moss. But with the exception of Moss he had a bunch of marginal guys who he made look good with his pin point accuracy. Yes he has Gronk at TE. But he didn't always have that either earlier in his career. The point is with a few exceptions his 5 - 3 (8 times in the Super Bowl) lacked very elite defenses for the most part. It also lacked very elite WR's with the exception of Moss for a while. He also NEVER had a Beast Mode RB. He kind of would drag his teams into the Super Bowl because he is that good although people don't like to admit it. But I don't see how anybody could deny it anymore at this point. I used to even deny it early in his career. It just doesn't make sense to deny it anymore. It's a lot of Brady. A huge amount of Brady is why they had that run obviously.

    Brady over the last 2 contracts or so chooses to be underpaid so his team enjoys a stronger team
    overall.
    The Patriots also got caught cheating in earlier SB years so there is that as well.
    Without the lower contract Brady gets,I doubt the Pats make the SB like they have and Brady still plays today
    as he probaly would have gotten injured by cheap players protecting him.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
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    ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    Yes I agree with a lot of this. But....... Foles is an EXTREMELY HIGH END BACKUP. You have to remember he was at a Pro Bowl level and is 6'5" 240 lbs. with a big league arm. He was the next big thing before he dropped off and struggled. But at one time he was playing at a super high level. So maybe sitting down got him out of his bad habits, got the second guessing out of his mind and he just played ball when he got back in there. I'm just saying Foles when playing at his top level best play is far better than most backups in this league. He certainly was playing his best in the playoffs. I thought his NFC Championship game and Super Bowl he was outstanding and playing at an elite level.

    With all that said I don't think Wilson is the type of guy who can put a team on his back and take them to the Super Bowl. He made Super Bowls but he had a SUPER ELITE DEFENSE backing him up and holding the other team down. Plus he had a Beast Mode RB who can carry 5 guys on his back on his way to the first down and moving the chains. Plus in those years I think his O Line was certainly much better than what he has now and his WR's were better than what he has now. The bottom line is he had lots and lots of help. He didn't do it by himself.

    Brady on the other hand has literally had years where his defense is ranked like in the 20's. Plus no elite WR's other than Randy Moss. But with the exception of Moss he had a bunch of marginal guys who he made look good with his pin point accuracy. Yes he has Gronk at TE. But he didn't always have that either earlier in his career. The point is with a few exceptions his 5 - 3 (8 times in the Super Bowl) lacked very elite defenses for the most part. It also lacked very elite WR's with the exception of Moss for a while. He also NEVER had a Beast Mode RB. He kind of would drag his teams into the Super Bowl because he is that good although people don't like to admit it. But I don't see how anybody could deny it anymore at this point. I used to even deny it early in his career. It just doesn't make sense to deny it anymore. It's a lot of Brady. A huge amount of Brady is why they had that run obviously.

    Brady over the last 2 contracts or so chooses to be underpaid so his team enjoys a stronger team
    overall.
    The Patriots also got caught cheating in earlier SB years so there is that as well.
    Without the lower contract Brady gets,I doubt the Pats make the SB like they have and Brady still plays today
    as he probaly would have gotten injured by cheap players protecting him.


    The Pats also play in a crap division which pretty much guarantees they make the playoffs with home field advantage. More opportunities mean more championships, if teams are similar in talent.
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  • SanDiego49er wrote:You could Franchise Tag him. You can't really let him go until you get something better lined up. I like Russell Wilson a lot. But is he worth these crazy $30 million a year contracts they are now throwing around for a long term deal? IDK? And this is coming from somebody who actually likes him. I follow the Wisconsin Badgers and am a fan of them. He played QB there. I've known of Russell Wilson for a long time and liked his game. He is talented and has won. Albeit with a great, great defense backing him up. I don't know if he is the type of guy to put the team on his back and carry them to the Super Bowl like Tom Brady. He did get there with a super elite defense and a Beast mode RB. But I don't think that is the same thing as carrying the team by yourself to the Super Bowl. Don't get me wrong. I like Russell Wilson and think he is very talented in some ways. It's just is he worth these huge long term deals they are throwing around now a days?


    Def a fair assessment, but to the Brady point he did have the #1 points allowed defense for his last SB. Now they werent as good as that ranking suggests, but they weren't that bad.
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  • chris98251 wrote:And we won how many playoff games and Super Bowls with Jackson?

    Non-sequitur. The fact that we had someone to backup Wilson is not negated by the fact we didn't have to use him.

    But for the record, we won 5 playoff games and a Super Bowl with Jackson backing up Wilson.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:And we won how many playoff games and Super Bowls with Jackson?

    Non-sequitur. The fact that we had someone to backup Wilson is not negated by the fact we didn't have to use him.

    But for the record, we won 5 playoff games and a Super Bowl with Jackson backing up Wilson.



    Doesn't count, we are talking Foles and Keenum, they actually won games.
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  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:And we won how many playoff games and Super Bowls with Jackson?

    Non-sequitur. The fact that we had someone to backup Wilson is not negated by the fact we didn't have to use him.

    But for the record, we won 5 playoff games and a Super Bowl with Jackson backing up Wilson.


    But he was talking about Foles, who actually started all their playoff games and obviously won them all and he's asking whether we would have had that success with TJack, which I highly doubt.
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  • chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.
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    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.
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  • original poster wrote:
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    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Yeah that was before he married Ciara, I think he could almost afford it now at least as a partner.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Yeah that was before he married Ciara, I think he could almost afford it now at least as a partner.


    Um you might be confused. This is nowhere near a Brady Giselle situation. I'm not dissing Ciara she isn't desperate for money or anything but Russ just from his first big contract eclipses her likely net worth by a lot. Brady's wife is in the 500 mil / 20 mil a year type of range from what I've heard. Ciara is not a huge factor in any contract talks or money aspirations most likely.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
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    ZagHawk wrote:I think you pay a QB that kind of salary if they can legitimately carry a team like Rodgers (when he is not injured), but as good as RW is...I don't think he's good enough to carry the team. I'm not saying RW isn't great, I just don't think he's the 1 of 3 QBs that can carry a team and therefore should not get paid like one. But he'll probably want that money and sadly I'd rather watch the Hawks move on and have an overall greater team than be top heavy with 1 extremely good mobile QB.

    If the Eagles have shown anything with their BACKUP QB winning it all, maybe the QB position shouldn't be valued as high as it is provided the coaching and FO can get the team around him appropriate with that saved QB $.


    Yes I agree with a lot of this. But....... Foles is an EXTREMELY HIGH END BACKUP. You have to remember he was at a Pro Bowl level and is 6'5" 240 lbs. with a big league arm. He was the next big thing before he dropped off and struggled. But at one time he was playing at a super high level. So maybe sitting down got him out of his bad habits, got the second guessing out of his mind and he just played ball when he got back in there. I'm just saying Foles when playing at his top level best play is far better than most backups in this league. He certainly was playing his best in the playoffs. I thought his NFC Championship game and Super Bowl he was outstanding and playing at an elite level.

    With all that said I don't think Wilson is the type of guy who can put a team on his back and take them to the Super Bowl. He made Super Bowls but he had a SUPER ELITE DEFENSE backing him up and holding the other team down. Plus he had a Beast Mode RB who can carry 5 guys on his back on his way to the first down and moving the chains. Plus in those years I think his O Line was certainly much better than what he has now and his WR's were better than what he has now. The bottom line is he had lots and lots of help. He didn't do it by himself.

    Brady on the other hand has literally had years where his defense is ranked like in the 20's. Plus no elite WR's other than Randy Moss. But with the exception of Moss he had a bunch of marginal guys who he made look good with his pin point accuracy. Yes he has Gronk at TE. But he didn't always have that either earlier in his career. The point is with a few exceptions his 5 - 3 (8 times in the Super Bowl) lacked very elite defenses for the most part. It also lacked very elite WR's with the exception of Moss for a while. He also NEVER had a Beast Mode RB. He kind of would drag his teams into the Super Bowl because he is that good although people don't like to admit it. But I don't see how anybody could deny it anymore at this point. I used to even deny it early in his career. It just doesn't make sense to deny it anymore. It's a lot of Brady. A huge amount of Brady is why they had that run obviously.

    Brady over the last 2 contracts or so chooses to be underpaid so his team enjoys a stronger team
    overall.
    The Patriots also got caught cheating in earlier SB years so there is that as well.
    Without the lower contract Brady gets,I doubt the Pats make the SB like they have and Brady still plays today
    as he probaly would have gotten injured by cheap players protecting him.


    He has taken less so they can fill out their team with other talented players and depth. He has made a lot of money in his career and has endorsement money too. Plus his wife is a rich model. Together they make tons of money. So a little less is not a big deal to him. Perhaps it would be to some players. Not everybody wants to take a lot less. Especially their first time up for a real big contract which can make them set for life. Sure that has helped them a lot. Other teams and players might not have that luxury based on less endorsements and a less rich marriage partner too.
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  • Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.
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  • original poster wrote:Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.


    I guess that is far from nothing. But I think Tom Brady's wife is worth far more. According to Celebrity Net Worth.

    Tom Brady = $180 Million.

    Gisele Bundchen = $360 Million.

    Total couple Net Worth = $540 Million.

    They are worth more than half a Billion dollars. Obviously he doesn't need the money. So it's difficult to compare others to his situation. There really aren't many other people in his situation.
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  • original poster wrote:Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.


    Give me some of that pathetic, I am sure I could do it well.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    original poster wrote:Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.


    Give me some of that pathetic, I am sure I could do it well.


    Of course, but it's a drop in the ocean when talking about buying a team.
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  • original poster wrote:
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    original poster wrote:Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.


    Give me some of that pathetic, I am sure I could do it well.


    Of course, but it's a drop in the ocean when talking about buying a team.


    Given the price was 2.2 billion for the Panthers yes.

    I think 750 was about what Paul laid down for the Seahawks.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
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    chris98251 wrote:
    original poster wrote:Googled it, Ciara is worth a pathetic $20M.


    Give me some of that pathetic, I am sure I could do it well.


    Of course, but it's a drop in the ocean when talking about buying a team.


    Given the price was 2.2 billion for the Panthers yes.

    I think 750 was about what Paul laid down for the Seahawks.


    I had to Google but apparently it was $194M.
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  • He paid $194 million for the franchise and contributed an additional $130 million toward construction of a new stadium in Seattle. The team is now worth $1.25 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.Jan 30, 2014

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    The 1.25 billion was in January 2014. I couldn't find any updated current numbers. But at least it gives you an idea.
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:He paid $194 million for the franchise and contributed an additional $130 million toward construction of a new stadium in Seattle. The team is now worth $1.25 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.Jan 30, 2014

    Seahawks beat Microsoft as investment for billionaire Paul Allen | The ...
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    The 1.25 billion was in January 2014. I couldn't find any updated current numbers. But at least it gives you an idea.


    Valued at $2.425B as of September 2017 according to Forbes :2thumbs:
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    KitsapGuy wrote:He paid $194 million for the franchise and contributed an additional $130 million toward construction of a new stadium in Seattle. The team is now worth $1.25 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.Jan 30, 2014

    Seahawks beat Microsoft as investment for billionaire Paul Allen | The ...
    https://www.seattletimes.com/.../seahaw ... onaire-p...

    The 1.25 billion was in January 2014. I couldn't find any updated current numbers. But at least it gives you an idea.


    Valued at $2.425B as of September 2017 according to Forbes :2thumbs:


    I'm not in the betting scene so I don't know much but based on all sports talk I've heard in the last week I think that number likely just jumped in a big way. People I listen to on sports seem to think football and baseball benefited most from the gambling legalization decision. I'd say easily 3 billion now and maybe substantially more.
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  • It looks to me like the hawks are trying to line backer and DE tag him.
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  • The_Z_Man wrote:Just a reminder:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDWyeRoHgA&t=6s


    Defense + run game won us...

    NOTHING.

    Marshawn Lynch + Defense + top paid O line = 7-9 and 7-9


    Absolutely.

    A top 10 QB on a team in transition or "rebuilding" means the difference between 9-7 and 4-12. So I am taking that into consideration when I say I think we're in the 9-7 range. Offense hopefully will be OK with the run game and Russell...................... but too many question marks on defense for me to have a lot of faith past 9-7, especially on the D-line.
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  • Sure his wife makes a lot more than Russell does. But both of them combined will be set for life!
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  • Russell does not expect the team to use the tag on him. It's all part of the game. He fully expects to be one of the three highest paid QBs in the NFL, and will probably threaten until the day before camp again. Not buying a minute of any of it.
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  • Gall darnit. What defense won nothing for us? The defense with a rookie Sherman, no Avril and Bennett, no Wagner, a rookie Kam? That defense won nothing for us? Get outta here. I hate to break it to you, but two years later, that team would have won a Super Bowl with Koy Detmer. But I hate to ruin a good narrative.
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  • Tical21 wrote:Russell does not expect the team to use the tag on him. It's all part of the game. He fully expects to be one of the three highest paid QBs in the NFL, and will probably threaten until the day before camp again. Not buying a minute of any of it.


    You think they will extend him regardless of the uncertainty of the CBA?
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  • original poster wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Russell does not expect the team to use the tag on him. It's all part of the game. He fully expects to be one of the three highest paid QBs in the NFL, and will probably threaten until the day before camp again. Not buying a minute of any of it.


    You think they will extend him regardless of the uncertainty of the CBA?

    Absolutely. Schneider believes Russell is the greatest player in the NFL and wants him desperately as the face of his franchise. For the record, I would not pay Russell, but have zero doubt that Schneider will.
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Russell does not expect the team to use the tag on him. It's all part of the game. He fully expects to be one of the three highest paid QBs in the NFL, and will probably threaten until the day before camp again. Not buying a minute of any of it.


    You think they will extend him regardless of the uncertainty of the CBA?

    Absolutely. Schneider believes Russell is the greatest player in the NFL and wants him desperately as the face of his franchise. For the record, I would not pay Russell, but have zero doubt that Schneider will.

    This is JS weakness,I bet he green light the Harvin deal and every bad deal we have made.
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    A record setting contract on an aging RW is just what he would do..Who cares what it looks like
    2-3 years after that..The guy has very short sighted vision..
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    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Couple of things we know about RW:

    1. He's intelligent.
    2. He's a strong Christian.

    Because I know these things about RW I feel confident in saying that he may want to be paid in the top 5 but not necessarily in the top 3. I suspect he will take a page out of Brady's book in order to have money to spend on a serviceable OL and some decent receivers. After all if he decides to be greedy and go for "every penny" as you suggest he may end up inadvertently cutting his career short due to injury from lack of protection and that would certainly derail his ability to be a pro team owner.
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  • "Per a source with knowledge of the situation"

    The janitor? No? What level?
    Journalism is dead, it's been replaced by creative writing aka fake news.
    Critical thinking is pretty much dead too. I miss the hearsay rule.
    The concept of "ethic" has been stripped from the Journalism curriculum.
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  • SeaWolv wrote:
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    SeaWolv wrote:
    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Couple of things we know about RW:

    1. He's intelligent.
    2. He's a strong Christian.

    Because I know these things about RW I feel confident in saying that he may want to be paid in the top 5 but not necessarily in the top 3. I suspect he will take a page out of Brady's book in order to have money to spend on a serviceable OL and some decent receivers. After all if he decides to be greedy and go for "every penny" as you suggest he may end up inadvertently cutting his career short due to injury from lack of protection and that would certainly derail his ability to be a pro team owner.


    Not buying it even for a second personally.

    Football players are all ‘team players’ until it comes to getting paid.

    Not that I have a problem with it at all, why shouldn’t he want to be paid as much as possible? I would.
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  • original poster wrote:
    SeaWolv wrote:
    chawx wrote:My friend works with a guy who's cousin has a kid who was in the hospital in Seattle and actually met Russell when he visited one day said that Russell said he doesn't expect to be franchised and that he's going to take Tom Brady-type pay so the Hawks can sign other guys.



    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Wilson owning a team?

    He can pick up the BC Lions right now if he wants.

    Detroit Lions, far different story even under the best case scenario (i.e. 5 SB rings and a wealthier-than-he-is super model wife or Papa John's Captain of Industry boy).

    As for the franchise talk coming from Wilson himself instead of Schefter, Glazer, etc.......he gets it.
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  • original poster wrote:
    SeaWolv wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    SeaWolv wrote:

    I know this is a joke but I'm of the opinion, from what little I know about RW, that he would most likely be the kind of team player that wouldn't require being the highest paid QB in hopes of having some talent around him that helps him win.


    With his aspirations to own a pro team later in life I'd say he will want every single penny he can get.


    Couple of things we know about RW:

    1. He's intelligent.
    2. He's a strong Christian.

    Because I know these things about RW I feel confident in saying that he may want to be paid in the top 5 but not necessarily in the top 3. I suspect he will take a page out of Brady's book in order to have money to spend on a serviceable OL and some decent receivers. After all if he decides to be greedy and go for "every penny" as you suggest he may end up inadvertently cutting his career short due to injury from lack of protection and that would certainly derail his ability to be a pro team owner.


    Not buying it even for a second personally.

    Football players are all ‘team players’ until it comes to getting paid.

    Not that I have a problem with it at all, why shouldn’t he want to be paid as much as possible? I would.


    Not valid to me (some truth but exaggerated IMO), but this is to some strong Christians.
    The same reason he volunteers to Children's Hospital for free.
    As some believe...."By giving we receive 10 fold"
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