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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:38 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Rawls was not a second rate talent, he was recruited highly by Michigan State, transferred to Michigan Central because of a clash of personality with the Coach and had got into some trouble, his first season should have qualified his ability.

    The lousy line and no FB use for him to cut off of was his problem, when Reese was lead blocking he had a lot of success.

    I agree with you here. My concern with Carson is the same with Rawls. They haven't shown they can stay healthy. Carson has never carried the load and his running style seems to invite the exact type of injury he sustained last year.


    Completely disagree with. His leg got rolled up on by a guy making a tackle on him and swinging around trying to take him down while in traffic. Carson tried to keep his legs moving and the tackler's body weight lands right on his knee/leg, planting his foot into the ground and bending it in horrific fashion.

    IMO it's a freak injury that happens in the game of football. I don't blame linemen's technique and footwork when they get rolled up on from behind and blow out their knees.
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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:14 am
  • Phfsh, I you think Carson is like Rawls then you're nuckin futz. Sorry, I know that's harsh, but wooooow....just wow. They are entirely different athletes, one being head and shoulders above the other with better training habits, diet habits, life habits, better overall 3 facets of the game, smarter, etc. There is no comparison. If you fell for Rawls when our run blocking was at it's absolute best since the Alexander era then that's on you. Go back and watch that stretch in 2015 and look at the holes he's running through. He's got some sweet independent runs here and there, but a lot of it is just running to daylight that's provided for him despite him. It was telling how many people were saying he was better than Lynch.
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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:07 am
  • What boosted Carson in my mind was his pass protection. He was an ace at it, and that's 50% of an automatic ticket to the starter position in the NFL, provided you can actually run, too.

    The lack of durability and low production in college are legitimate knocks. But while his four games in the NFL are a low sample size, they're also a significant outperformance of most 7th-round draft picks' expected value, just by themselves.
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  • Chris Carson continues to have an impressive OTA, generally appearing to go first in the tailback rotations followed by Rashaad Penny and Mike Davis (with J.D. McKissic and C.J. Prosise getting lots of work in the third-down/two-minute role). Brown said he’s like what he has seen so far from Penny. “Rashaad has looked great so far,” he said. “We don’t have pads on but from what I’ve seen, he has great vision, runs behind his pads well.”

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    RB Rashaad Penny. Maybe the biggest hurdle Penny faces as he tries to pry the starting job from Chris Carson is getting up to speed in pass protection. The Seahawks have made no secret of the fact that Penny has a ways to go in that part of his game, and there's only so much that can be gleaned about his progress right now since contact isn't allowed during OTAs. Training camp will provide a better setting to gauge how ready Penny is to save Russell Wilson from blitzing defenders. For now, he's working behind Carson, who's still the most physically impressive of Seattle's running backs. Status: Too soon to tell. -- Brady Henderson

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  • (On if there is anyone who impressed him with how they looked coming back this offseason) “What has really jumped out is Chris Carson. Chris has looked incredible the whole time, the entire offseason. He hasn’t missed one snap of anything. He just looks so fit, he’s just so cut and quick and explosive and all that. He might be the guy, when you look at everybody, who jumps out in that regard.

    (On if Carson is back to full steam) “He’s absolutely full steam. He has just had a great offseason. He was really frustrated about not being able to finish us last year, and he put it to work. He did it. I’m excited to see how he goes. He’s going to play really good for us when we get back.”

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  • One thing they didn't put in the transcript is this, which is a ridiculous notion.

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  • Carson put on 10 lbs of muscle, mostly in lower body, during off-season.

    He notes that Brian Schottenheimer has expanded the playbook, giving the RBs routes out of the backfield that they didn't have last season. He says Schottenheimer is a lot more vocal and engaged with his players.
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  • That would be the second time I've heard where Schotty is more engaged with players, particularly at an individual level.

    This sort of pisses me off, in a way. How can you execute with less than satisfactory clarity on what you want from each player as it pertains to execution? When I think about how completely and utterly sloppy the Hawks have been on offense over the last two years, that is a key indicator. The "system" doesn't take care of expectations and responsibilities. You have to engage and teach.

    Wagner had something similar to say about Norton.

    (On Norton’s intensity) “It’s fun to be around. I definitely missed that. When you have days when it’s raining you got a guy that comes in and brings some light in to the room. It’s always a pleasure to have. You see him out here on the field always yelling and saying something to somebody. He just brings a certain energy, a certain passion to the game. He’s an amazing leader, he brings a lot out of you. I feel like he gets the best out of everybody because he takes time with that connection and gets to know everybody.”

    Anyway, the previous coaching staff on the offensive side....well, it's a very good thing that they're gone.
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  • +1 vin.couve12
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  • hgwellz12 wrote:+1 vin.couve12

    +2 vin.couve12 He's bucking for poster of the year. :)


    Here's a fun video of Chris Carson vs TCU. I can see what Pete liked about him, especially in the very last run. He trucks some dudes. He seems to have a habit of dragging people along.


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  • He won this game for us. Some great runs in there.


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  • Seeing who is on the OLine, and the blocking, was painful to watch, but CC acquits himself nicely.


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  • ivotuk wrote:He won this game for us. Some great runs in there.




    That's a real NFL RB.

    So what stood out during OTAs, Pete Carroll?

    “What has really jumped out is Chris Carson,” Carroll said. “Chris has looked incredible the whole time, the entire offseason. He hasn’t missed one snap of anything. He just looks so fit, he’s just so cut and quick and explosive and all that. He might be the guy, when you look at everybody, who jumps out in that regard.”

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  • A really understated play in that game was getting down to make sure he stayed in bounds with 4:44 left in the game. The clock kept rolling and then dude just churned out first downs to run it out.

    The covering the football with both arms/hands when he feels contact is also impressive, if not understated as well.
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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:03 pm
  • I was totally fine with the Penny drafting since the grab-bag approach hadn't been working the last two seasons and the injury history at the position suggested stocking up, but I would say I'm just-as or more excited for Carson to carry the ball next year as I am for Penny. I like everything about Carson and felt his one-cut style actually got something out of the OL last year. I especially want him carrying the ball when we employ zone concepts. And on third down he doesn't tip your hand run or pass.

    Carson is the starter if it were up to me. Love to see Penny come in, be shifty in the wash, and hit home runs which is how I see his running style (similar to Prosise), but having both is a recipe for avoiding another lost season at RB.
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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm
  • hawk45 wrote:I was totally fine with the Penny drafting since the grab-bag approach hadn't been working the last two seasons and the injury history at the position suggested stocking up, but I would say I'm just-as or more excited for Carson to carry the ball next year as I am for Penny. I like everything about Carson and felt his one-cut style actually got something out of the OL last year. I especially want him carrying the ball when we employ zone concepts. And on third down he doesn't tip your hand run or pass.

    Carson is the starter if it were up to me. Love to see Penny come in, be shifty in the wash, and hit home runs which is how I see his running style (similar to Prosise), but having both is a recipe for avoiding another lost season at RB.

    Exactly. Carson, Penny, and Procise are all high end talent. Sure, maybe we don't expect much from Procise because of the last two seasons, but we should have some redundancy none the less.

    To another point, when tackling Carson, a defender needs to be front loaded to take on that collision. However, when approaching a player like Penny, his speed and ability to change angles on a defender tend to make defenders more flat footed, but isn't a small back by any means.

    AKA body blow, body blow, KO. Not necessarily in that order either. And if Procise stays healthy...maybe throw in some jet sweeps to keep it interesting.
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  • “I still have the same mindset,” Carson said Thursday. “My mindset is steady hustling. I always want to come out and prove somebody wrong, because me being a seventh-round pick a lot of people passed up, it’s like you want to come out and prove a lot of people wrong. So my mindset is still the same — try to prove myself each and every day. You never want to be comfortable. They are always trying to find someone to replace you, each and every year.”

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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:29 am
  • As fans, we all want the running game to work for many reasons. The Seahawks just spent the majority of their draft picks to primarily upgrade the running game. Personally, I'd hope that every RB that hits the field for the Seahawks this year has success as I'm sure most here would. Carson has great "potential" that may or may not be shown this season. The same could be said of Penny. Having two RB's with great potential is certainly better than one.

    The reason I'm so high on Penny, is his outstanding performances in college. Penny was the best RB in the Country, not just at SDST, but he also had the best performances of all RB's in his bowl game and in the Senior Bowl. That is statistical history that Carson and many other RB's don't have on their records. Carson is possibly a late bloomer and will show that he can carry the ball as well (or nearly as well) as Penny, wouldn't that really be something neat? I think we will all see what is up soon with perhaps some "re-adjusted" opinions after the preseason games start, ----> based on actual performances on the field.


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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:33 am
  • Anyone want to guess the RB stats for Penny & Carson in their first preseason game? Might be an interesting reveal.


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  • Preseason can’t get here soon enough. We are going to need the run game and offense as a whole to step up this year to mitigate the personnel losses on defense and give the young defensive guys time to learn and improve.

    Still lots of potential with this team. It’s going to be interesting.
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  • I don't expect pre season to tell us a whole lot as we will see a lot of work on the basics for the O line to see what Solari was able to drill into guys and then improvements against competition, also our starting RB's usually get a quarter at most, Davis and McKissic may get a lot more reps, I would almost be scared to put Prosise out there.
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  • I’d be disappointed in Carson if he was behind Penny at this point. Penny is learning the system. Carson has experience from last season. According to previous reports 70% of the plays are remaining the same from last season.
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  • ImTheScientist wrote:Carson is decent but many of you give him WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit based on 4 regular season games.



    That many y's, huh? How so?
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Re: Carson reportedly looking good in OTAs
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:41 pm
  • Jimjones0384 wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:Carson is decent but many of you give him WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much credit based on 4 regular season games.



    That many y's, huh? How so?


    It wasn't just 4 reg games. It was also OTAs, preseason and out classing the entire field which included Alex Collins, Lacy, Rawls, Prosise, Davis, McKissic. Carson and Penney have many of the same qualities but Carson already has a leg up in NFL protections. Plus, he's actually played in NFL games behind a horrible OL. Since he's already done it and has come back looking even better it's not much of a stretch to think he will be successful this season.
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  • Aros wrote:Just. Stay. Healthy.

    My God the amount of injuries to our RB's in recent years is truly unbelievable.


    Now the team has a normal OLine coach and the OC is calling the blocking schemes the team might just have a shot at keeping their RBs healthy. With Cable as OLine coach and Running Game Coordinator our RBs were required to do an awful lot of unblocked running and that is recipe for injuries. Injuries happen, it is a contact sport, but over the past 3 seasons the team suffered an unusually high number of injuries to the RBs, some even had very similar injuries. Others have described here the reasons for the injuries and they make sense. Interestingly when Solari was here previously the RBs stayed somewhat healthy. Run blocking that is within reason effective that the team can actually do w/o penalties and falling down allows the back to be able to find a running lane.

    Having a running game allows the team to use play action, and thus improves RW's ability to move the ball downfield. Having the O score or stay on the field longer helps the D over the course of the season but especially in close games.

    it will be interesting to see if our RBs can stay healthy this season but with the Line actually blocking for them I'd be a believer things will be improved health wise.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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