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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 8:41 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    NINEster wrote:Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

    Incredible hands.


    Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

    Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.


    Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

    He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

    His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 8:53 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    NINEster wrote:Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

    Incredible hands.


    Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

    Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.


    Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

    He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

    His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.


    Maybe, he said the reason for the big dropoff between 2015 and 2016 was the nagging foot injury that slowed him down. Then he got hurt again last year.

    So we'll see, 34 IMO isn't old for a WR of his skill set. He's not a speedster or a player that relied on his speed and quickness..........and no he's not finally healthy, he admitted as much yesterday.

    He said it'll take him well into preseason to get back into game shape.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:04 am
  • Fade wrote:If he flops they won't bat an eye in cutting him. They will only be out $1M.

    I didn't read or hear anything that he got a $1M signing bonus... did he?

    If not, he can be cut during TC and not cost the team a dime against the cap.

    EDIT: Marshall received a $90,000 signing bonus, as posted below... so not the $1M figured posted by Fade... so very little exposure to the team's cap if Marshall doesn't impress in TC and the preseason.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:20 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    NINEster wrote:Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

    Incredible hands.


    Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

    Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.


    Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

    He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

    His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.


    Maybe, he said the reason for the big dropoff between 2015 and 2016 was the nagging foot injury that slowed him down. Then he got hurt again last year.

    So we'll see, 34 IMO isn't old for a WR of his skill set. He's not a speedster or a player that relied on his speed and quickness..........and no he's not finally healthy, he admitted as much yesterday.

    He said it'll take him well into preseason to get back into game shape.


    I really wonder sometimes where these comments like these even come from??

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:23 am


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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:29 am
  • Officially a confirmed good signing now IMO.
    I'm surprised he took it, but he's said more than once he'd like to play here, even on NFL live I heard him say that. :2thumbs:
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:31 am
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    kidhawk wrote:These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.


    There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.


    I wouldn't complain at all if Darboh shows so much that keeping Marshall becomes unnecessary due to Darboh's talent. I would also be happy if Marshall gets a second wind and shows that he's still got his red zone skills and can be a solid contributor to us this year. Either of these scenarios would benefit us tremendously.

    On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

    For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:46 am
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    kidhawk wrote:These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.


    There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.


    I wouldn't complain at all if Darboh shows so much that keeping Marshall becomes unnecessary due to Darboh's talent. I would also be happy if Marshall gets a second wind and shows that he's still got his red zone skills and can be a solid contributor to us this year. Either of these scenarios would benefit us tremendously.

    On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

    For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.


    Exactly why I am speaking out on this! That highlighted scenario could easily happen IMO. A good run game can go a long ways to help that though, and they've done more to make that happen then make up for the 16 passing TD's they let walk. (I'm giving Solari the benefit of the doubt that he helps the running game)
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 9:59 am
  • I dont mind the signing, really doesn't matter if the offensive line issues aren't any better this season and Russ will be running for his life again.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 10:03 am
  • Marshall seems genuinely happy to be a Seahawks. He hasn’t been a locker room issue in recent years, in fact calling out slacking teammate was good, doing it via media was not but we don’t know the full story on that one.

    Quite sure he joined us in pursue of joining the 1000 catch club, then call it a career. So he is a very motivated man knowing this is his last chance to join that exclusive club.

    He still has some carryover injuries and he is old. I am still liking the signing, Marshall have months to recover from his injury and work in his conditioning.

    His willingness to call out slackers would be God but send to push our 22-24 years old WRs.


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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 10:03 am
  • hawker84 wrote:I dont mind the signing, really doesn't matter if the offensive line issues aren't any better this season and Russ will be running for his life again.


    If Marshall can give Wilson somewhere to go with the ball, he won't have to run as much.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 10:04 am
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    Hard to gauge much from that but I still like seeing it.

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 10:09 am
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    kidhawk wrote:
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    kidhawk wrote:These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.


    There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.


    I wouldn't complain at all if Darboh shows so much that keeping Marshall becomes unnecessary due to Darboh's talent. I would also be happy if Marshall gets a second wind and shows that he's still got his red zone skills and can be a solid contributor to us this year. Either of these scenarios would benefit us tremendously.

    On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

    For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.


    Exactly why I am speaking out on this! That highlighted scenario could easily happen IMO. A good run game can go a long ways to help that though, and they've done more to make that happen then make up for the 16 passing TD's they let walk. (I'm giving Solari the benefit of the doubt that he helps the running game)


    The best part about the signing though, is it adds to the positive options while leaving the negative option the same. If we hadn't signed Marshall, we'd only have Darboh. Right now, we have Darboh and we have Marshall and for only a 90k signing bonus, it's well worth it to see what he can bring. Even if he just teaches Darboh a thing or two in camp, it's my opinion that the possibilities far outweigh the risks involved.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 12:37 pm
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    kidhawk wrote:On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

    For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.


    Exactly why I am speaking out on this! That highlighted scenario could easily happen IMO. A good run game can go a long ways to help that though, and they've done more to make that happen then make up for the 16 passing TD's they let walk. (I'm giving Solari the benefit of the doubt that he helps the running game)

    Hang on - I am really trying to follow the logic here.

    If Darboh isn't any good then adding Marshall is potentially a bad thing because Marshall could also turn out to be not any good.

    Is that a correct summation?

    But if Darboh isn't any good and we passed on Marshall, then wouldn't we be equally screwed? And if Darboh isn't any good but Marshall IS good, that would be a big win, wouldn't it? And if Darboh IS good and Marshall IS good then that's pretty much red zone solved, isn't it?

    Let's say for example that Darboh is 50/50. That's a 50% failure rate.

    Let's say Marshall is also 50/50. Please keep that in mind - in no way am I saying he is 100% success, just 50/50. That means in the 50% Darboh failure, we have a Plan B that is 50% effective, mitigating that 50% failure to a 25% failure.

    So with only Darboh there is 50% chance we have 1 red zone target, and 50% chance we have no red zone target.

    With Darboh + Marshall there is 25% chance we have 2 red zone targets, 50% chance we have 1 red zone target, and only 25% chance we have no red zone targets.

    I'm really struggling to see how this is something to speak out on. The way I see the maths, we are mitigating a risk, which is a good thing, isn't it?
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 1:54 pm
  • @ 90k it is essentially a tryout contract.

    I upgrade this move from good to great. No downside whatsoever for a chance at getting a nice situational contributor, and perhaps spot starter.

    The young guys will play better too, they won't be handed a roster spot by default.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 2:02 pm
  • People are looking at his red zone production and fall off last year, I would like to know how many of you that are knocking him have tried to cut and jump with a messed up big toe and ankle. It limits you. Sometimes the mistake is playing with a injury rather then getting it taken care of. The nice thing is he has a chip, or as he said has been humbled and has something to prove now. I am not selling a guy with his talent short. 34 is still a productive age for a WR.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 2:17 pm
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 2:20 pm
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 2:50 pm
  • Someone's pumped . . .

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 3:03 pm
  • You really get perspective seeing Baldwin next to Marshall, man is pretty big.

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 3:40 pm
  • Only guaranteed $90,000? That's a great signing.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 6:14 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:You really get perspective seeing Baldwin next to Marshall, man is pretty big.

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    Marshall is almost the same size as jimmy graham, and probably more willing to block.


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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 7:04 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:Only guaranteed $90,000? That's a great signing.


    I don’t believe that is accurate. He would be making less than the rookie minimum. Doubt any vet player would sign a contract like that. Here’s the vet min salaries for last year. This year those figures will probably go up.
    http://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 7:15 pm
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    pittpnthrs wrote:Only guaranteed $90,000? That's a great signing.


    I don’t believe that is accurate. He would be making less than the rookie minimum. Doubt any vet player would sign a contract like that. Here’s the vet min salaries for last year. This year those figures will probably go up.
    http://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/


    The $90k he is referring to was the signing bonus paid as posted earlier in the thread >>>> http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?p=2178128#p2178128
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 7:21 pm
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    pittpnthrs wrote:Only guaranteed $90,000? That's a great signing.


    I don’t believe that is accurate. He would be making less than the rookie minimum. Doubt any vet player would sign a contract like that. Here’s the vet min salaries for last year. This year those figures will probably go up.
    http://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/


    He has to make the 53 to get his salary. If he is cut before then he only gets his 90k signing bonus.

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Thu May 31, 2018 8:12 pm
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    Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

    Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.


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    Off Topic, but this paragraph above is a very easy sell for why Rice was the GOAT to those that want to put Moss and others above him.....was still contributing way past 34 years of age. 1000 yard seasons with Rich Gannon past age 40...

    The next 42 year old WR will be.......er, won't be one. :2thumbs:


    Back on topic....the Marshall projections will be impossible to make.

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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:16 pm
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    pittpnthrs wrote:Only guaranteed $90,000? That's a great signing.


    I don’t believe that is accurate. He would be making less than the rookie minimum. Doubt any vet player would sign a contract like that. Here’s the vet min salaries for last year. This year those figures will probably go up.
    http://www.spotrac.com/blog/nfl-minimum-salaries-for-2017/


    The $90k he is referring to was the signing bonus paid as posted earlier in the thread >>>> http://seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?p=2178128#p2178128


    Ahh...thanks. I missed the earlier post. My apologies @pittpnthrs. Nice deal for the Hawks. Good job PC/JS
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