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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:05 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:If he ends up with 500+ yards and/or 5+ TDs, this was a steal.


    That seems a lot more like somewhere in the range of decent to good value than a steal to me.


    For $2 million max (with incentives)? Yeah, that would be a steal.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:11 pm
  • Camp body...TO experiment part 2. Probably still better than Macevoy though...if ge makes the team he is likely to complain about his playing time and ask for his release by week 6.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:19 pm
  • If he makes the team, his run-blocking could be a huge boost to our run game... don't overlook that aspect of his game.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:21 pm
  • Has always been a good blocker
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:22 pm
  • Cyrus12 wrote:Camp body...TO experiment part 2. Probably still better than Macevoy though...if ge makes the team he is likely to complain about his playing time and ask for his release by week 6.


    Not really. Owens was 38 years old, coming off knee surgery, and hadn't played in the league in more than a year when he signed with the Seahawks.

    The Marshall situation seems different in those ways: four years younger, no knee surgery (though he did have a knee sprain a few years ago), fully recovered from ankle surgery, highly productive two seasons ago, better blocker at this stage.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:37 pm
  • Win, Win, if he can keep his head on straight, he will bring a Nasty that Doug has as well, why do good blockers also have that edge to them? But if nothing else he will bring that edge that we can hope rubs off on the other guys also and watching him block and set up is also only going to help our young guys. He can be cut with almost no major impact so that will push him as well. The Cancer aspect of his mood swings is our biggest worry and if that could leak over to other guys. He will call guys out for not working hard as well.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:52 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:Camp body...TO experiment part 2. Probably still better than Macevoy though...if ge makes the team he is likely to complain about his playing time and ask for his release by week 6.


    Not really. Owens was 38 years old, coming off knee surgery, and hadn't played in the league in more than a year when he signed with the Seahawks.
    The Marshall situation seems different in those ways: four years younger, no knee surgery (though he did have a knee sprain a few years ago), fully recovered from ankle surgery, highly productive two seasons ago, better blocker at this stage.


    Andre Johnson might have made a better comparison ........
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:53 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Win, Win, if he can keep his head on straight, he will bring a Nasty that Doug has as well, why do good blockers also have that edge to them? But if nothing else he will bring that edge that we can hope rubs off on the other guys also and watching him block and set up is also only going to help our young guys. He can be cut with almost no major impact so that will push him as well. The Cancer aspect of his mood swings is our biggest worry and if that could leak over to other guys. He will call guys out for not working hard as well.


    This is my main concern..
    But I'd worry about this with Dez too..
    I think this guy can suck it up for one season..Please
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 12:54 pm
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    hawknation2018 wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:Camp body...TO experiment part 2. Probably still better than Macevoy though...if ge makes the team he is likely to complain about his playing time and ask for his release by week 6.


    Not really. Owens was 38 years old, coming off knee surgery, and hadn't played in the league in more than a year when he signed with the Seahawks.
    The Marshall situation seems different in those ways: four years younger, no knee surgery (though he did have a knee sprain a few years ago), fully recovered from ankle surgery, highly productive two seasons ago, better blocker at this stage.


    Andre Johnson might have made a better comparison ........


    Better in terms of age, for sure, not as good in terms of health, physicality, blocking, etc.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:10 pm
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:17 pm
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    This is really what it's all about, can Marshall stay healthy.

    We'll see if the season ending ankle ligament surgery was successful, and he can stay healthy through camp. If so, he could be a decent signing.

    Let's face it, our WR depth chart is pretty damn scary right now with how thin it is. Couldn't even tell you who our starting 3rd receiver is...................Brown? McEvoy? Johnson?
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:18 pm
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    This is really what it's all about, can Marshall stay healthy.

    We'll see if the season ending ankle ligament surgery was successful, and he can stay healthy through camp. If so, he could be a decent signing.

    Let's face it, our WR depth chart is pretty damn scary right now with how thin it is. Couldn't even tell you who our starting 3rd receiver is...................Brown? McEvoy? Johnson?


    Brown, Darboh, or Marshall.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:20 pm
  • Will be interesting to see how many 3 WR sets we use with the focus on the run and having a FB and a real TE in the scheme also.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:22 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:



    This is really what it's all about, can Marshall stay healthy.

    We'll see if the season ending ankle ligament surgery was successful, and he can stay healthy through camp. If so, he could be a decent signing.

    Let's face it, our WR depth chart is pretty damn scary right now with how thin it is. Couldn't even tell you who our starting 3rd receiver is...................Brown? McEvoy? Johnson?


    Brown, Darboh, or Marshall.


    Darboh just got bumped down to 5th or 6th receiver with this signing, he better get his poop together or he might get cut if Marshall plays well in camp and pre-season.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:44 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I would have rather paid a little more for Maclin or Bryant if we're going to add a veteran WR.

    But maybe this is good for both sides. Marshall is cheap and knows he has to behave and perform if he wants to make any more money playing football.

    Dez Bryant makes Sherm look like a choirboy. If you don’t like Sherm yelling at coaches you’ll hate Dez’s sideline antics.


    Plus we’d have to hire a babysitter just to keep him away from trouble in his off time. ....and that doesn’t include the drop off in his play. Wanna see a reason on the field to not get Dez, go back and watch his game vs the Hawks on X-mas eve. He had a bad game and a hard time getting open vs our JV secondary.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 1:53 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:



    This is really what it's all about, can Marshall stay healthy.

    We'll see if the season ending ankle ligament surgery was successful, and he can stay healthy through camp. If so, he could be a decent signing.

    Let's face it, our WR depth chart is pretty damn scary right now with how thin it is. Couldn't even tell you who our starting 3rd receiver is...................Brown? McEvoy? Johnson?


    Brown, Darboh, or Marshall.


    Darboh just got bumped down to 5th or 6th receiver with this signing, he better get his poop together or he might get cut if Marshall plays well in camp and pre-season.


    Darboh was the one WR Russell was really talking up during OTAs. There seems to be some comfort developing there, which is good.

    Not sure how to order Brown, Darboh, or Marshall at this point in time. I like the potential of Brown the most of the three, but he could also fail to adjust to a new system/struggle with route running/etc. At least there is some competition now from a veteran like Marshall.

    I know there are people very high on Moore. Stringfellow is a high ceiling guy trying to fight his way up from the bottom of the roster. Darboh is pretty roster safe, unless someone like Moore, Stringfellow, Johnson, etc. shows more consistency.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:00 pm
  • OkieHawk wrote:We have been burned too many times by free agent receivers in the past.


    Like who ? And how far back are you going?
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:01 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:

    This is really what it's all about, can Marshall stay healthy.

    We'll see if the season ending ankle ligament surgery was successful, and he can stay healthy through camp. If so, he could be a decent signing.

    Let's face it, our WR depth chart is pretty damn scary right now with how thin it is. Couldn't even tell you who our starting 3rd receiver is...................Brown? McEvoy? Johnson?


    Brown, Darboh, or Marshall.


    Darboh just got bumped down to 5th or 6th receiver with this signing, he better get his poop together or he might get cut if Marshall plays well in camp and pre-season.


    Darboh was the one WR Russell was really talking up during OTAs. There seems to be some comfort developing there, which is good.

    Not sure how to order Brown, Darboh, or Marshall at this point in time. I like the potential of Brown the most of the three, but he could also fail to adjust to a new system/struggle with route running/etc. At least there is some competition now from a veteran like Marshall.

    I know there are people very high on Moore. Stringfellow is a high ceiling guy trying to fight his way up from the bottom of the roster. Darboh is pretty roster safe, unless someone like Moore, Stringfellow, Johnson, etc. shows more consistency.


    Well we have to take into consideration what Schotty wants in the three positions, Wide out, Slot, and the Combo as well as options for 3rd down and Redzone. It may not be what were used to seeing, we have a lot of body types and speed types now. We may have much more situational player compositions.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:47 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I would have rather paid a little more for Maclin or Bryant if we're going to add a veteran WR.

    But maybe this is good for both sides. Marshall is cheap and knows he has to behave and perform if he wants to make any more money playing football.

    Dez Bryant makes Sherm look like a choirboy. If you don’t like Sherm yelling at coaches you’ll hate Dez’s sideline antics.


    Plus we’d have to hire a babysitter just to keep him away from trouble in his off time. ....and that doesn’t include the drop off in his play. Wanna see a reason on the field to not get Dez, go back and watch his game vs the Hawks on X-mas eve. He had a bad game and a hard time getting open vs our JV secondary.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:51 pm
  • It really should be obvious.

    Of course this is great.

    What did we suck at? Scoring TDs.

    What does Brandon Marshall give us? A guy that can catch TDs in the EZ not named Baldwin.

    I don't care he catches a pass between the 20s at all. (He will though) But he is very good at catching TDs. The alternative is shoving Baldwin out there into quintuple coverage since nobody else is really a threat to the defense. Hell yes this helps.

    And of course his numbers are down, HE PLAYED FOR THE JETS. Would you like to review their roster just to clarify who these QBs were?

    This was very good news for a team that needed some.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:51 pm
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    OkieHawk wrote:We have been burned too many times by free agent receivers in the past.


    Like who ? And how far back are you going?


    Harvin and Graham recently. Yes, Graham was a TE but he was really a receiver. He didn't do squat here for what we gave up for him. Do you need me to go back even further?
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:52 pm
  • Sherman was Marshall's (insert naughty word here). Love this signing on the cheap.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 2:58 pm
  • OkieHawk wrote:
    kobebryant wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:We have been burned too many times by free agent receivers in the past.


    Like who ? And how far back are you going?


    Harvin and Graham recently. Yes, Graham was a TE but he was really a receiver. He didn't do squat here for what we gave up for him. Do you need me to go back even further?


    Harvin and Graham weren't free agents.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:13 pm
  • We gave up a lot for Harvin and we gave up a lot for Graham. We're giving up nothing for Marshall other than a very modest 1 year contract and it could end up being basically nothing if he doesn't make the final roster. This is why I don't mind the signing at all even though I'm not expecting much. If he has anything left in the tank at all and can stay healthy it'll almost certainly be worth it. If not, no big deal.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:15 pm
  • I am just happy that now the fade into the end zone might land in a pair of hands and not on the ground.....
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:16 pm
  • kobebryant wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:
    kobebryant wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:We have been burned too many times by free agent receivers in the past.


    Like who ? And how far back are you going?


    Harvin and Graham recently. Yes, Graham was a TE but he was really a receiver. He didn't do squat here for what we gave up for him. Do you need me to go back even further?


    Harvin and Graham weren't free agents.


    Nope it was worse than that. The team traded first round picks + for both of them. Imagine if either first round pick had worked out the team would be in much better shape capsize and would have a solid player still on the team. Instead the team went for it and got Harvin who the team traded away for a bag of chips, and Graham who they overpaid and didn't get value for the pick and player traded until his final season in Seattle. Unfortunately both player spent a lot of time on well paid IR as well.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:18 pm
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    Sgt. Largent wrote:I would have rather paid a little more for Maclin or Bryant if we're going to add a veteran WR.

    But maybe this is good for both sides. Marshall is cheap and knows he has to behave and perform if he wants to make any more money playing football.

    Dez Bryant makes Sherm look like a choirboy. If you don’t like Sherm yelling at coaches you’ll hate Dez’s sideline antics.


    Plus we’d have to hire a babysitter just to keep him away from trouble in his off time. ....and that doesn’t include the drop off in his play. Wanna see a reason on the field to not get Dez, go back and watch his game vs the Hawks on X-mas eve. He had a bad game and a hard time getting open vs our JV secondary.


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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:19 pm
  • kobebryant wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:
    kobebryant wrote:
    OkieHawk wrote:We have been burned too many times by free agent receivers in the past.


    Like who ? And how far back are you going?


    Harvin and Graham recently. Yes, Graham was a TE but he was really a receiver. He didn't do squat here for what we gave up for him. Do you need me to go back even further?


    Harvin and Graham weren't free agents.


    True, but we still got burned on those trades. I misremembered the Harvin signing (forgot it was a trade) and I'm still upset over the Graham trade.

    I should have said veteran signings instead of free agents, but my point still stands that we've been burned more often than not it. I could be misremembering, but that is what it seems.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 3:44 pm
  • This move helps fill a big need in the red zone that Graham has since evacuated, which is good.

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    I like David Moore a lot too. I would like to think Marshall knows the situation and can accept it.

    Good move if that is the case.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 4:03 pm
  • I bet Marshall is quaking in his boots over having to compete against Darboh, Brown and Moore
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 4:12 pm
  • Marshall should be trying to compete with Lockett for time in two-WR sets. He gives them a bigger body, better blocker on the line of scrimmage as a split end. With Baldwin/Marshall at WR, Dissly at TE, Jalston or Hill at FB, they better be able to run the ball.

    He is 41 receptions away from 1k in his career. 959 catches for 12,215 yards and 82 TDs in his career. 23 receptions behind Randy Moss, which seems possibly doable:
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 4:31 pm
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 4:36 pm
  • With the change in kickoffs we are likely to carry one or two more guys from the receiver, linebacker, and secondary positions than we're used to seeing on the roster, at the expense of backup linemen.

    To add Marshall we may not have to cut any receivers we otherwise wouldn't have, provided they can play special teams.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 5:13 pm
  • hmmm...the timing of this is interesting. It seems that maybe what PC saw of the young receivers in OTAs wasn't impressive. Hopefully Marshall can get back to his 2015/2016 form. Who gets the ax from the roster to make room for Marshall?
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 5:16 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:hmmm...the timing of this is interesting. It seems that maybe what PC saw of the young receivers in OTAs wasn't impressive. Hopefully Marshall can get back to his 2015/2016 form. Who gets the ax from the roster to make room for Marshall?

    I was thinking the same thing and Marshall only makes sense as a starter because he doesn’t contribute on special teams. Maybe Jaron Brown hasn’t been impressive because I’ve been hearing good things about Lockett? It could also be about run blocking as others have mentioned.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm
  • Maybe Schotty looked at his receivers and said, I have a bunch of inexperienced toothpicks or midgets, we need a possession guy that can catch in traffic and box out defenders for the ball.

    Schotty likes the mid level routes on the sidelines, we don't have a guy that has proven he can do that since Kearse left and he wasn't great at it, Sidney Rice was the last decent sideline pattern guy we had.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 pm
  • He will be a good mentor to the younger guys while we rebuild. He would also be a good contributor if we actually turn out to be better than predicted since he definitely has talent. It is a good pickup.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 6:17 pm
  • So he had a bad 2017? Well Russell Wilson is no Josh McCown or Geno Smith but he might be able to put a few catchable balls near Mr. Marshall.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 6:34 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Maybe Schotty looked at his receivers and said, I have a bunch of inexperienced toothpicks or midgets, we need a possession guy that can catch in traffic and box out defenders for the ball.

    Schotty likes the mid level routes on the sidelines, we don't have a guy that has proven he can do that since Kearse left and he wasn't great at it, Sidney Rice was the last decent sideline pattern guy we had.


    Doug Baldwin can run every route on the field.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 6:42 pm
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    chris98251 wrote:Maybe Schotty looked at his receivers and said, I have a bunch of inexperienced toothpicks or midgets, we need a possession guy that can catch in traffic and box out defenders for the ball.

    Schotty likes the mid level routes on the sidelines, we don't have a guy that has proven he can do that since Kearse left and he wasn't great at it, Sidney Rice was the last decent sideline pattern guy we had.


    Doug Baldwin can run every route on the field.



    But he doesn't have the physical size to Box out a defender on the sidelines that is on him and stand his position. Why don't people learn to read and comprehend.


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    Weight:
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    Now even a Caveman can see the advanatge of having a guy with larger wingspan, height, and weight to establish his position could have. Doesn't mean Doug can't do it, but the success rate or Brandon doing it as well as getting fade routes in the end zone or a corner route with a taller guy could be somewhat helpful.
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  • hawkfan68 wrote:hmmm...the timing of this is interesting. It seems that maybe what PC saw of the young receivers in OTAs wasn't impressive. Hopefully Marshall can get back to his 2015/2016 form. Who gets the ax from the roster to make room for Marshall?

    I would think Tanner McEvoy would be the obvious choice.
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Tue May 29, 2018 7:43 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:hmmm...the timing of this is interesting. It seems that maybe what PC saw of the young receivers in OTAs wasn't impressive. Hopefully Marshall can get back to his 2015/2016 form. Who gets the ax from the roster to make room for Marshall?

    I would think Tanner McEvoy would be the obvious choice.


    Would fill that roll, he isn't a great route runner and there is a knack for setting up defenders to gain the edge and seal to get the ball.
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  • Oh and the Mediots are already condemning his signing and why we didn't sign Bryant.

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Tue May 29, 2018 7:58 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Oh and the Mediots are already condemning his signing and why we didn't sign Bryant.

    Hate the Seahawks in all things is already in full swing again.

    Let em hate. The best thing the National mediots can do for this team is hate on ‘em.

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Tue May 29, 2018 8:18 pm
  • I think Marshall can keep his head straight, Bryant no way in hell that guy is even worth looking at . Pass.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 8:22 pm
  • Seymour wrote:I think Marshall can keep his head straight, Bryant no way in hell that guy is even worth looking at . Pass.



    This makes sense to me. Besides with RW getting him the ball he could well have another good season or two in him left. That's the hope!
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 8:26 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Oh and the Mediots are already condemning his signing and why we didn't sign Bryant.

    Hate the Seahawks in all things is already in full swing again.


    Bryant will be a cancer wherever he ends up.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 8:41 pm
  • jlwaters1 wrote:I'm not too sure I like this move. I was hoping to see Darboh and Moore step up, maybe they aren't ready too. That is disappointing.


    I like thoset guys too, but at worst they go to the practice team. I think they can learn from Marshall though, and he is a passionate and smart player. Watching him on inside the NFL, he's a very smart young man who has learned from his own personal struggles, and that off those around him.

    I think he would be a great addition to the players union.
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Re: Brandon Marshall signing
Tue May 29, 2018 8:50 pm
  • I love it. Even if he doesn't make the final roster, his effort in run-blocking, his feet awareness, and his use of his body and angles to get leverage can't hurt to have around the young guys. Even if he's not a vocal leader, if the young dudes are watching, they'll notice.
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