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  • Really, really hate to see this. Kam 2.0. :34853_doh:
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  • It'll be interesting to see what happens. Honesty I don't see the Hawks giving in.
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  • We were all worried about this for good reason but it's still very disappointing. Kam's holdout really hurt our 2015 season and I'm pessimistic that Earl's holdout will end up a similar way.
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  • or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.
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  • The difference between earl and kam is that kam had more than 1 year left. Hawks have been willing to renegotiate with 1 year left... so they wouldn't be breaking precedent to extend him.
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  • lukerguy wrote:The difference between earl and kam is that kam had more than 1 year left. Hawks have been willing to renegotiate with 1 year left... so they wouldn't be breaking precedent to extend him.


    exactly... Thomas is taking a great risk entering into the year. This is a big difference than Kam

    I can see Seattle renegotiating, or trading. But it will be resolved soon enough
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  • Give him a one year extension with performance bonuses.
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  • AgentDib wrote:We were all worried about this for good reason but it's still very disappointing. Kam's holdout really hurt our 2015 season and I'm pessimistic that Earl's holdout will end up a similar way.

    Wasn’t it Earl who said in a post game interview after going 0-2 something to the effect of “he needs to be out here with us”. Basically calling Kam selfish for holding out without saying it? Now he is going to do the same thing...
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  • Seahaaaawks wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:We were all worried about this for good reason but it's still very disappointing. Kam's holdout really hurt our 2015 season and I'm pessimistic that Earl's holdout will end up a similar way.

    Wasn’t it Earl who said in a post game interview after going 0-2 something to the effect of “he needs to be out here with us”. Basically calling Kam selfish for holding out without saying it? Now he is going to do the same thing...


    its not the same thing though...

    that extra year makes a significant difference.
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  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Give him a one year extension with performance bonuses.


    surely a future Hall of Famer who thinks he's still in his prime and now sees he is the leader of this team's defense will jump all over that
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  • Paul Allen forbade a new contract with Kam's holdout. It's not going to happen in this manner.
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  • I loved earl, but screw him. Let Sherman be his agent I liked his deal in SF. I say wait it out and franchise him next year.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Give him a one year extension with performance bonuses.


    surely a future Hall of Famer who thinks he's still in his prime and now sees he is the leader of this team's defense will jump all over that


    Yeah, no way he's going to take that.
    If Seattle wants t keep him, this could be quickly resolved, but I am not sure they do, especially for what he demands. :?
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  • 425HawkSpark wrote:I loved earl, but screw him. Let Sherman be his agent I liked his deal in SF. I say wait it out and franchise him next year.


    Thats a waste of time and money

    Earl is nearing 30 and has one year left on his deal. He wants a bit more security. It's not a reflection of anything but that.
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  • Seattle will not receive a first round pick for Earl. Let's get that out of the way, first and foremost.

    No team not even Earl's beloved Cowboys will pay that king's ransom. Probably won't even offer a second round. I wouldn't.

    The Cowboys know Earl wants to play for Dallas, hence, leverage.

    Other teams know Earl wants to play for Dallas, so why should they offer anything? Much less a first rounder. The Seahawks saw how this already played out preceding/during the draft. Nothing happened.

    If/when Earl becomes a free agent, teams know he does not want to entertain them for his services unless they are the Dallas Cowboys. No one wins with Thomas making these claims, other than possibly/maybe the Cowboys, cause inevitably, Dallas
    may "get" Thomas for cheap.

    This is a lose/lose situation for Seattle and Earl.

    I personally still like Earl, but, Earl saw what happened to Kam and Sherm and wants to lock something in now before it's too late and he possibly gets a big injury ending his season right before his current contract is set to expire and his now getting way older.

    I get why Thomas is doing this and harbor him no ill will.

    If this is the prelude to the end of Earl in a Seattle uniform, it has been an absolute pleasure to have watched him play and win the one and only SuperBowl for Seattle. I absolutely thank him and will watch his Hall of Fame induction.

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  • Let him sit out, do not cave. The time to trade already passed.
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    This is a lose/lose situation for Seattle and Earl.

    I personally still like Earl, but, Earl saw what happened to Kam and Sherm and wants to lock something in now before it's too late and he possibly gets a big injury ending his season right before his current contract is set to expire and his now getting way older.

    I get why Thomas is doing this and harbor him no ill will.



    Why is this a "lose/lose?"

    are you saying there is no contract that can be negotiated that suits both parties?

    hard to believe it doesnt exist, Seattle wouldn't offer it and Earl wouldnt sign it.
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  • No worries. We have Tedric Thompson and Delano Hill on the roster :lol:
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  • We're not about to pay Earl what he is probably thinking he's worth. He's on a contract and needs to honor it, otherwise, kick rocks. Earl has seen how the guys that didnt believe in the system have been shipped out and that is the only reason he is saying that he still wants to be a Seahawk, it's obvious that he wants one last payday and believes he still has value in Seattle. His heart isnt with this team, hes proven that with his comments. His boys are gone and hes just trying to get paid.
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  • This is so not surprising. And he only is saying he wants to be a seahawk because that is the professional thing to do. I doubt he wants to actually be a Seahawk
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    This is a lose/lose situation for Seattle and Earl.

    I personally still like Earl, but, Earl saw what happened to Kam and Sherm and wants to lock something in now before it's too late and he possibly gets a big injury ending his season right before his current contract is set to expire and his now getting way older.

    I get why Thomas is doing this and harbor him no ill will.



    Why is this a "lose/lose?"

    are you saying there is no contract that can be negotiated that suits both parties?

    hard to believe it doesnt exist, Seattle wouldn't offer it and Earl wouldnt sign it.

    We'll see.

    But I imagine Earl does not want his possible last deal to be a "team friendly" discount.

    Why would he choose to sign something for less than he's worth?

    Earl is a HOF and he still plays like an All-Pro (or least Pro-Bowl) level and should be top 3 highest paid Safeties in the league. Yes, Earl is that good!

    Earl doesn't play, Seattle may possibly be 6-10 this year.
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  • Please trade the final distraction on this team. No way can he be signed long term. We would have buyers remorse at max 2 yes. Then just get stuck with a giant contract and diminishing skills with more risk of injury. Time to unload him for what we can get which isn't much....
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    TheLegendOfBoom wrote:
    This is a lose/lose situation for Seattle and Earl.

    I personally still like Earl, but, Earl saw what happened to Kam and Sherm and wants to lock something in now before it's too late and he possibly gets a big injury ending his season right before his current contract is set to expire and his now getting way older.

    I get why Thomas is doing this and harbor him no ill will.



    Why is this a "lose/lose?"

    are you saying there is no contract that can be negotiated that suits both parties?

    hard to believe it doesnt exist, Seattle wouldn't offer it and Earl wouldnt sign it.

    We'll see.

    But I imagine Earl does not want his possible last deal to be a "team friendly" discount.

    Why would he choose to sign something for less than he's worth?

    Earl is a HOF and he still plays like an All-Pro (or least Pro-Bowl) level and should be top 3 highest paid Safeties in the league. Yes, Earl is that good!

    Earl doesn't play, Seattle may possibly be 6-10 this year.



    But that's the reality of any contract.

    If he is what he is, All Pro but aging, there is certainly a contract that suits both
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  • Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.
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  • rcaido wrote:Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.


    So Lets say he is demanding top safety money (resetting market), at five years and 70% guaranteed, we should just do that to avoid this hold out? Nah.

    Earl is desperate, and getting bad advice. Let’s see if he is really willing to miss actual games, and game checks, not just mini camp. Even if he is, yes it hurts the team, but it hurts him even more. Best thing for him is to not talk (because he says dumb things) and continue to be great on the field.
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  • Hawks have all the leverage here since we already know that we aren’t getting anything for him in trade. Let him hold out as long as he wants. He either plays a season for us, or he never plays another down in the NFL (unless the new/2021 CBA changes the rules for accrued seasons).

    This announcement confirms that the Hawks have already had discussions with Thomas, and have made whatever offer (possibly nothing) they are going to make. They should stick to their guns.

    The loss of Earl won’t be as problematic with a full offseason to plan and practice for life without him as it would be if we lost him mid season.

    And this is coming from someone who’s favorite Hawk has been Thomas ever since he came into the league.
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  • If he misses time, he gets nothing. True hold outs are rare in the NFL because the player just ends up shooting himself in the foot while screwing over his team. Earl is making millions of dollars and will make millions more after this contract if he wants it. I have zero compassion for his “situation.” Do your job.
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  • The Seahawks need Earl more than Earl needs them. Especially now that they are without Kam. They are very young at corners with Griffin and Flowers. Having a future HOF like Thomas would help. He hasn’t shown a decline in play even after a coming back after a tough injury. He has earned the right to top money. Earl is about as irreplaceable as Russell Wilson is.
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  • The Seahawks needed to reload or rebuild. Injuries forced them to rebuild but the Seahawks FO is too stubborn to do so. Earl was the last piece to deal to go into full rebuild mode. Now, they are dealing with yet another distraction that could have been avoided.

    In order to not be a distraction, the Seahawks should cut off all communications with him and his agent now. The Seahawks need to call around to every team in the NFL. Contact every team and take the best deal available. I don't care if it is a 7th round pick.

    I have always loved Earl as a player but the Dallas moment was embarrassing and a precursor to this foreseen development.
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  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:
    rcaido wrote:Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.


    So Lets say he is demanding top safety money (resetting market), at five years and 70% guaranteed, we should just do that to avoid this hold out? Nah.

    Earl is desperate, and getting bad advice. Let’s see if he is really willing to miss actual games, and game checks, not just mini camp. Even if he is, yes it hurts the team, but it hurts him even more. Best thing for him is to not talk (because he says dumb things) and continue to be great on the field.


    But he is not capable of not talk or so the “come get me” kind of things.


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  • hawknation2018 wrote:If he misses time, he gets nothing. True hold outs are rare in the NFL because the player just ends up shooting himself in the foot while screwing over his team. Earl is making millions of dollars and will make millions more after this contract if he wants it. I have zero compassion for his “situation.” Do your job.
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  • The Seahawks should not be held hostage, both for now and future players. Let him sit no-play no-pay. Move on. Let him miss out on 8 million dollars. I am done with him. Thanks Earl to bad you lost it at the end.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Why is this a "lose/lose?" are you saying there is no contract that can be negotiated that suits both parties? hard to believe it doesnt exist, Seattle wouldn't offer it and Earl wouldnt sign it.

    I like your optimism here. However, it's very believable that the guaranteed dollars Earl is asking for is a much higher sum than what the Hawks are comfortable paying. Players hold out when there is a significant difference in opinion, not when they are very close to a deal.
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  • I hate being right sometimes. Bargaining power just went to the basement with other teams now. Looks like McDougald, who is listed as a FS, is actually playing FS this year. Competition for SS is where it's at. My guess is it's Alexander.

    Should have gotten what you could have gotten for him before, damn it. Sooooo stupid.
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  • There's no way of knowing what the Hawks were offered earlier. The first rounder+ was obviously fake news, and that should call into question why other twitter rumors are being accepted as fact. If Dallas was offering a third round pick then that's what we'll probably end up with for Earl anyway via the compensatory system. If they even offered that; there's not much need for Dallas to trade anything valuable for a player who they can just sign as a free agent next off-season.
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  • AgentDib wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Why is this a "lose/lose?" are you saying there is no contract that can be negotiated that suits both parties? hard to believe it doesnt exist, Seattle wouldn't offer it and Earl wouldnt sign it.

    I like your optimism here. However, it's very believable that the guaranteed dollars Earl is asking for is a much higher sum than what the Hawks are comfortable paying. Players hold out when there is a significant difference in opinion, not when they are very close to a deal.



    Maybe optimistic, but trying to be more level with my thoughts on it, as many are just driving the negative.

    Him begging for unreasonable terms leaves him entering his final year of his contract without an extended deal.

    We have no idea if he's been offered any terms. I can't see him holding out playing, at 29.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:I hate being right sometimes. Bargaining power just went to the basement with other teams now. Looks like McDougald, who is listed as a FS, is actually playing FS this year. Competition for SS is where it's at. My guess is it's Alexander.

    Should have gotten what you could have gotten for him before, damn it. Sooooo stupid.



    Pretty sure most people on here saw a holdout of some kind coming. It's the logical step for most players in his position
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  • SpokaneHawks wrote:We're not about to pay Earl what he is probably thinking he's worth. He's on a contract and needs to honor it, otherwise, kick rocks. Earl has seen how the guys that didnt believe in the system have been shipped out and that is the only reason he is saying that he still wants to be a Seahawk, it's obvious that he wants one last payday and believes he still has value in Seattle. His heart isnt with this team, hes proven that with his comments. His boys are gone and hes just trying to get paid.


    I agree....... He wants a new contract, or he will hold out, and NOT honor his CURRENT contract?
    He says he wants to be a Seahawk for the long term, because he wants the 12s to plead his case, well, if that's true, why did he go to Garrett and plead for him to "Come Get Me"?
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:I hate being right sometimes. Bargaining power just went to the basement with other teams now. Looks like McDougald, who is listed as a FS, is actually playing FS this year. Competition for SS is where it's at. My guess is it's Alexander.

    Should have gotten what you could have gotten for him before, damn it. Sooooo stupid.



    Pretty sure most people on here saw a holdout of some kind coming. It's the logical step for most players in his position

    Not really. It was questionable until he told Pete that he would not hold out the week before the draft. He flat out lied to him and everyone else. Some took a sigh of relief at that point, others didn't take him at his word. You either believed him or you didn't.
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  • Hell, it's even possible that we might have drafted different at that point.
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  • OK, to clarify, Earl's representatives told JS that he wouldn't hold out. That's when Pete got fired up on camera saying, "Heck yeah, I don't know what everyone's talking about. He's on our roster and we're counting on him," etc, etc, etc.

    Then Pete pretty much said the same after he wasn't traded after the draft.

    Should have traded him, fools.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:I hate being right sometimes. Bargaining power just went to the basement with other teams now. Looks like McDougald, who is listed as a FS, is actually playing FS this year. Competition for SS is where it's at. My guess is it's Alexander.

    Should have gotten what you could have gotten for him before, damn it. Sooooo stupid.



    Pretty sure most people on here saw a holdout of some kind coming. It's the logical step for most players in his position

    Not really. It was questionable until he told Pete that he would not hold out the week before the draft. He flat out lied to him and everyone else. Some took a sigh of relief at that point, others didn't take him at his word. You either believed him or you didn't.



    I think its easier to believe the situation..

    a football player with one year on his contract is likely to use what ever leverage there is to extend that contract.

    most assumed this. and he it is.

    you nailed it. I thought they shouldve traded him on draft day. I'm assuming they didnt get a good offer.
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  • Hopefully Seahawks don't make the same mistake they did with Kam and overpay. Earl's production has fallen off a cliff yet I guarantee he want's top 3 young Safety money basically rewarding him for how good he was 3 years ago. Obviously no other team wanted to pay him that much either and make a trade. I'd let his ass sit and either play out his contract or retire. Pete and this front office's caused this mess. Now they can lie in it.
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  • And there it is. Selfish money-grabber. He knew what he signed when he signed his contract a few years ago. If he didn't like it, he should not have signed it. It's not just an extension he's looking for, he has made it clear he wants to be the highest paid safety in the league, but the team cannot allow themselves to be forced to handcuff themselves to him in that way.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
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    vin.couve12 wrote:I hate being right sometimes. Bargaining power just went to the basement with other teams now. Looks like McDougald, who is listed as a FS, is actually playing FS this year. Competition for SS is where it's at. My guess is it's Alexander.

    Should have gotten what you could have gotten for him before, damn it. Sooooo stupid.



    Pretty sure most people on here saw a holdout of some kind coming. It's the logical step for most players in his position

    Not really. It was questionable until he told Pete that he would not hold out the week before the draft. He flat out lied to him and everyone else. Some took a sigh of relief at that point, others didn't take him at his word. You either believed him or you didn't.



    I think its easier to believe the situation..

    a football player with one year on his contract is likely to use what ever leverage there is to extend that contract.

    most assumed this. and he it is.

    you nailed it.

    That's not really the point. We should have gotten the most we could for him, maybe drafted one of two safeties in the draft or signed one of three vets, and have roster clarity right now heading into camp. This was handled poorly.

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    On the other hand, 3 of the 4 of these guys have to be licking their chops.

    So let's say that the Hawks are waking up to the fact that they need to plan for getting the most out of this deal. What sort of compensation do the Hawks get if they let him walk in FA next year? Is that a 3rd? What is that dependent on? Conversely, if a trade is back on the table, do they not have to beat the price of that 3rd rounder or whatever would be in the cards for a comp pick?

    That's the way I'm looking at it now. A trade would have to meet or exceed the comp pick next year. If he can't be traded for that price, then let him rot and move on as if he isn't there. Don't address it one bit otherwise.
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