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  • They should extend him ... but not until he shows up. Until then, negotiations should be off. Focus on the players who are here, like K.J.
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  • Between his Dallas shenanigans, and his other behavior last season, I say let him sit out. He has not been a team player for at least one season. Let him rot on the bench as he attempts to get paid. As this off season has proved, right now free safeties aren't exactly a big priority around the league. No one was willing to give up a first when we were actively shopping him. Right now his market isn't that great, he is an absolute fool to sit out at this point. He does not have any leverage to speak of here. He is going to lose a lot of money over his petty behavior.
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  • Earl is still the best safety in the league so I wouldn't mind seeing him get extended for 2 more years. I wouldn't give in to him though, take care of the people that show up and let him know you'll take care of him when he shows up.
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  • Compensatory picks are not automatic if you have been watching this season. The team lost some talent losing Graham, both of the Richardson’s, among others without any compensatory pick. It simply depends on how many other players get signed in FA. There is zero guarantee the team will get diddly squat for Thomas if he becomes a FA. Banking on getting anything for Thomas is very uncertain.

    I suspect it is quite unlikely the team will pay what Thomas wants, in fact I suspect the team has made that clear and the market value for FS around the league has been falling sharply. This certainly looks to be a situation that may not resolve happily. The less said by the team in their response and reply at this stage is likely best. Once KC foolishly overpaid Eric Berry a situation was created that many other teams are trying to reverse. I just can’t see the Hawks paying that huge contract money to Thomas with other pots on the stove starting to heat up and the something for nothing deal they are eating with Kam. Earl’s comments after that KC deal was announced went from retirement, to “I want some of that”, then commenting on Kam, then to “come get me”, then I’m holding out, I’m not holding out, now his real position is clear. The 12 stuff to me is BS, he doesn’t give a crap, and would rather be in Dallas. Show me the money!

    I love Thomas as a player and think he fits our system better than any other. I think he is a All Pro. That said I would NOT pay him Eric Berry money. The team needs to be careful here as there are other expensive deals that need to get done and those players are watching. This situation looks to be one that won’t resolve quickly.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • SpokaneHawks wrote:We're not about to pay Earl what he is probably thinking he's worth. He's on a contract and needs to honor it, otherwise, kick rocks. Earl has seen how the guys that didnt believe in the system have been shipped out and that is the only reason he is saying that he still wants to be a Seahawk, it's obvious that he wants one last payday and believes he still has value in Seattle. His heart isnt with this team, hes proven that with his comments. His boys are gone and hes just trying to get paid.


    Ummmm... he's the best Safety in the game and a HoFer. He IS worth what he's thinking he's worth, lol...

    I don't get the mentality of not wanting Earl Thomas to be a Seahawk at all costs. Pay the man... lol

    If I'm Earl Thomas... I'd be pissed that we weren't trying to extend him before it got to this point and showing him we value him by making sure he has that security. What were we waiting for? He's one of the most important players on this team...
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    SpokaneHawks wrote:We're not about to pay Earl what he is probably thinking he's worth. He's on a contract and needs to honor it, otherwise, kick rocks. Earl has seen how the guys that didnt believe in the system have been shipped out and that is the only reason he is saying that he still wants to be a Seahawk, it's obvious that he wants one last payday and believes he still has value in Seattle. His heart isnt with this team, hes proven that with his comments. His boys are gone and hes just trying to get paid.


    Ummmm... he's the best Safety in the game and a HoFer. He IS worth what he's thinking he's worth, lol...

    I don't get the mentality of not wanting Earl Thomas to be a Seahawk at all costs. Pay the man... lol

    If I'm Earl Thomas... I'd be pissed that we weren't trying to extend him before it got to this point and showing him we value him by making sure he has that security. What were we waiting for? He's one of the most important players on this team...


    So what happens if Wagner or Duane Brown or even Russell Wilson holds out when they still have a year or 2 left on their contract? Do we pay everyone also? The Seahawks gave Kam Chancellor a extension after his 2015 holdout, and that contract extension sure did backfire on them. I bet earl doesn’t get an extension and he holds out this season losing money
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  • Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
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  • poly1274 wrote::180670:
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    SpokaneHawks wrote:We're not about to pay Earl what he is probably thinking he's worth. He's on a contract and needs to honor it, otherwise, kick rocks. Earl has seen how the guys that didnt believe in the system have been shipped out and that is the only reason he is saying that he still wants to be a Seahawk, it's obvious that he wants one last payday and believes he still has value in Seattle. His heart isnt with this team, hes proven that with his comments. His boys are gone and hes just trying to get paid.


    Ummmm... he's the best Safety in the game and a HoFer. He IS worth what he's thinking he's worth, lol...

    I don't get the mentality of not wanting Earl Thomas to be a Seahawk at all costs. Pay the man... lol

    If I'm Earl Thomas... I'd be pissed that we weren't trying to extend him before it got to this point and showing him we value him by making sure he has that security. What were we waiting for? He's one of the most important players on this team...


    So what happens if Wagner or Duane Brown or even Russell Wilson holds out when they still have a year or 2 left on their contract? Do we pay everyone also? The Seahawks gave Kam Chancellor a extension after his 2015 holdout, and that contract extension sure did backfire on them. I bet earl doesn’t get an extension and he holds out this season losing money


    But Earl Thomas doesn't have a years left on his contract. He's going into his last year. If they are valuable parts of the team, especially a player like ET, you extend them before it even gets to this point.
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  • Jville wrote:Earl's instagram post is a framing statement .......................................

    The Earl Thomas statement is nothing more than a now standard player agent provided statement ..... i.e. words to frame the narrative. There is little value in those words just as there was little of value in the words that framed the precedent setting Marshawn Lynch statements. In the end, Marshawn got every dime out of Paul Allen on his way to Oakland.

    The Marshawn Lynch story set the example of how agents work Paul Allen. The Earl Thomas narrative is simply following the Lynch pattern on the way out of town to his beloved Dallas. In fact, hindsight suggests the Legion of Boom came to be degraded into the Legion of Doom with the Kam Chancellor hold out. Indeed, there are other player agents and players who replicate the Lynch example.

    In my eyes, Paul Allen remains hostage to the Lynch precedent. The "timed extortion" of Paul Allen continues to snowball unabated on Allen. Could it further threaten to continue it's destabilizing path by next sweeping up Frank Clark sooner rather than latter?

    The Lynch precedent remains a formidable stumbling block to team planing and continuity. Finding answers is a necessary prerequisite to returning as a competitive team. Will they try once again to kick the can down the road? Or will they reveal a solution?


    I completely agree, but in the Lynch case the fans wanted a new deal to be made. Your post is absolutely right however. The released statement is BS and a stock agent produced discussion material to promote fan support. Here Earl has pee’d on the team’s shoes with the Dallas come get me comment, lied about showing up, and has destroyed his value. I suspect the majority view is to not budge on renewal with the natural pay the man opponents speaking loud.

    I agree with Fade’s comment that the correct response from the team is to freeze him out. Thomas is not underpaid by any stretch.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson


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  • Not sure how it's even up for debate. Clearly a HOF player.
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  • That assessment which I agree with is based upon his past performance and like Kam he has started to lose time to injuries. Can the team expect him to stay healthy over the next four years or so, is any FS worth $75 million with $40 million or more guaranteed? To me he’s sabotaged his own value with this holdout and his offfield behaviour, he certainly at best hasn’t done anything to enhance his value. HOF player or not, sometimes the price to retain is too high. The team saw that with RS and MB and the situation with Kam has brought the 3rd contract thing into a clearer focus.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • "I want to have certainty in regards to the upcoming years of my career.”

    No kidding Earl....don't we all!!

    Well I bet that Peter, Paul, and John want some certainty that we do not become the laughing stock of the league for paying top $$ for declining players that either can no longer play, no longer be counted on being healthy, or paying for a player that cannot play to the level he is being compensated to perform to.

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  • poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson


    Not a fair comparison, Woodson was a CB for his entire career until 2012. So of course his stats are going to reflect being a corner, more tackles, more picks, etc.

    IMO Earl needs 3-4 more productive healthy years to be a HOF shoe in. Right now he's just an amazingly gifted safety who's career wasn't as good as it could have been if he stayed healthy.

    He still could get in, because he is a great safety, and is well respected by the league and his peers.
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    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk which was the smartest move of all time, too bad it didnt sink enough for them to understand how to be responsible for their own choices and actions.

    Overall though for the last 5 years he's let the players dictate his politics. So maybe deep down inside he's more conservative-leaning but for his players sake he's been all about the SJW movement which to many has grown tiresome and pathetic, as it is.

    JP is a straight shooter so if you ain't buying that, you got some problems.


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  • So, this is how the LOB-era ends, as it started, with a Holdout.

    Even with Earl Thomas, this defense wasn't going to be better than middle-of-the-road anyway, and his participation was dependent upon his remaining injury-free for a whole season.

    Pete and John have cut every other discontented cord this offseason....looks like they have one more to go.

    I love Earl. I love Sherm. I love Kam. But those glory days are long behind us now, and it's time to move forward, the sooner, the better. Give his spot to a youngin', and see if they can even begin to fill his shoes, or at least the team will know it needs to invest in that position in next year's draft.
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  • MagnificentSeven wrote:So, this is how the LOB-era ends, as it started, with a Holdout..


    Oh I think it's just beginning.

    The Hawks are not going to blink this time. If we couldn't get whatever we wanted for Earl before and during the draft? This changes nothing.

    It's not like Pete and John are surprised by this, Earl's discontent over not being given an extension has been brewing for a year.

    Plan A was trade Earl for a couple high picks.

    Plan B is let him holdout, come back mid season and then franchise his ass..........and this whole circus starts again next off season.

    IMO all Earl is hurting is himself. The chances of him coming back in week 6 and playing lights out, not getting hurt and increasing his trade value are slim to none. So all he's doing is lowering his trade value, and guaranteeing this standoff will continue into next year, and maybe even two years. The franchise tag is very team friendly for safeties, it's barely more than he makes now.
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  • Seymour wrote:"I want to have certainty in regards to the upcoming years of my career.”

    No kidding Earl....don't we all!!

    Well I bet that Peter, Paul, and John want some certainty that we do not become the laughing stock of the league for paying top $$ for declining players that either can no longer play, no longer be counted on being healthy, or paying for a player that cannot play to the level he is being compensated to perform to.

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    And you feel this describes Earl Thomas???
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  • Uncle Si wrote:or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.


    I'd lean heavy towards this. Kam held out with 2 years to go. The Seahawks don't renew contracts with more than a year, so it became prolonged. Earl only has one year left on his deal, so previous history suggests they should be willing to extend his deal. The only thing that would stop them from doing so is if they don't plan to keep him around. Personally I find that scenario far less likely than him getting an extension.
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  • OK, but at what cost?

    Do you think Thomas' agent will settle on a deal that pays him less than Eric Berry money? Somehow with Clark and Wilson waiting in the wings for new deals I can't see the team and Thomas being able to come to an agreement on a new deal as I doubt the team is going to give him a 4 yr, $75 million/$30 million plus guaranteed deal.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • jammerhawk wrote:OK, but at what cost?

    Do you think Thomas' agent will settle on a deal that pays him less than Eric Berry money? Somehow with Clark and Wilson waiting in the wings for new deals I can't see the team and Thomas being able to come to an agreement on a new deal as I doubt the team is going to give him a 4 yr, $75 million/$30 million plus guaranteed deal.


    Why would they not pay him Eric Berry money? He deserves it...
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  • kidhawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.


    I'd lean heavy towards this. Kam held out with 2 years to go. The Seahawks don't renew contracts with more than a year, so it became prolonged. Earl only has one year left on his deal, so previous history suggests they should be willing to extend his deal. The only thing that would stop them from doing so is if they don't plan to keep him around. Personally I find that scenario far less likely than him getting an extension.


    Huh?
    The most recent previous history indicates they would rather trade than extend him (just not for dirt cheap offers).
    Also, most recent previous "lessons" learned on 3rd contracts say the same thing.
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  • kidhawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.


    I'd lean heavy towards this. Kam held out with 2 years to go. The Seahawks don't renew contracts with more than a year, so it became prolonged. Earl only has one year left on his deal, so previous history suggests they should be willing to extend his deal. The only thing that would stop them from doing so is if they don't plan to keep him around. Personally I find that scenario far less likely than him getting an extension.


    Kam was renewed when our FO thought we could still go for broke and make another SB run.

    That window is closed, or if that's too negative for you, we're turning the roster over getting younger and hungrier again. So for as much as we all love Earl, giving him an insane Eric Berry contract doesn't make sense at all at this point in time.

    If you're being realistic, and Pete and John are realistic people, they know they're probably another 2-3 years away from competing for a Lombardi IF they make the correct decisions with extensions and drafts, and get the talent and depth back to where it was 5-6 years ago.

    Why pay Earl 15M+ for the next 4-5 years, strap your cap situation and risk another Kam situation where you're paying an aging player to sit on the bench.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:OK, but at what cost?

    Do you think Thomas' agent will settle on a deal that pays him less than Eric Berry money? Somehow with Clark and Wilson waiting in the wings for new deals I can't see the team and Thomas being able to come to an agreement on a new deal as I doubt the team is going to give him a 4 yr, $75 million/$30 million plus guaranteed deal.


    Bingo!! Winner!!

    Also throw Wagner in there above Clark on the big $$ signing priority list.
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  • FinNasty wrote:
    Seymour wrote:"I want to have certainty in regards to the upcoming years of my career.”

    No kidding Earl....don't we all!!

    Well I bet that Peter, Paul, and John want some certainty that we do not become the laughing stock of the league for paying top $$ for declining players that either can no longer play, no longer be counted on being healthy, or paying for a player that cannot play to the level he is being compensated to perform to.

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    And you feel this describes Earl Thomas???


    #2 sure does!

    His first 6 seasons he starts all 16 games every year.
    Last 2 he starts 11 then 14.

    That would indicate the beginning of a less reliable Earl.

    Also....1st 6 years Earl averages 61 tackles per season.
    Last 2 he averages 40.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Uncle Si wrote:or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.


    I'd lean heavy towards this. Kam held out with 2 years to go. The Seahawks don't renew contracts with more than a year, so it became prolonged. Earl only has one year left on his deal, so previous history suggests they should be willing to extend his deal. The only thing that would stop them from doing so is if they don't plan to keep him around. Personally I find that scenario far less likely than him getting an extension.


    Huh?
    The most recent previous history indicates they would rather trade than extend him (just not for dirt cheap offers).
    Also, most recent previous "lessons" learned on 3rd contracts say the same thing.


    People are comparing this to Kam's holdout, but our recent history shows that Pete/John are willing to extend deals that only have one year left on them. This is not really similar to Kam holding out with 2 years left. I'm not sure why that seems to confuse people. It's apples/oranges with Kam/Earl
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    Uncle Si wrote:or... they could just renegotiate his contract quickly and move forward.


    I'd lean heavy towards this. Kam held out with 2 years to go. The Seahawks don't renew contracts with more than a year, so it became prolonged. Earl only has one year left on his deal, so previous history suggests they should be willing to extend his deal. The only thing that would stop them from doing so is if they don't plan to keep him around. Personally I find that scenario far less likely than him getting an extension.


    Kam was renewed when our FO thought we could still go for broke and make another SB run.

    That window is closed, or if that's too negative for you, we're turning the roster over getting younger and hungrier again. So for as much as we all love Earl, giving him an insane Eric Berry contract doesn't make sense at all at this point in time.

    If you're being realistic, and Pete and John are realistic people, they know they're probably another 2-3 years away from competing for a Lombardi IF they make the correct decisions with extensions and drafts, and get the talent and depth back to where it was 5-6 years ago.

    Why pay Earl 15M+ for the next 4-5 years, strap your cap situation and risk another Kam situation where you're paying an aging player to sit on the bench.


    They could have likely traded Thomas and got something in return for him had they wanted to be rid of him. Obviously they valued him more than others were offering us. Earl wanting a new deal isn't something that suddenly came up. We've all been aware of it, so you have to know that the front office has been well aware of it, yet they chose to keep him around. This in itself is a sign that they are willing to negotiate a deal with him. They may not come to terms, but the team seems to want to keep him around more than they wanted to just ship him off to get younger.
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  • Shopping a player for trade is not showing "they are willing to extend". I'm not talking about Kam holding out with 2 years left. I'm talking about the end result becoming a disaster for the team.
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  • FinNasty wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:OK, but at what cost?

    Do you think Thomas' agent will settle on a deal that pays him less than Eric Berry money? Somehow with Clark and Wilson waiting in the wings for new deals I can't see the team and Thomas being able to come to an agreement on a new deal as I doubt the team is going to give him a 4 yr, $75 million/$30 million plus guaranteed deal.


    Why would they not pay him Eric Berry money? He deserves it...

    First of all, no he doesn't. I'm saying this due to recent Free Safety contracts. Earl will get what the market says he will get. It is also worth mentioning that Eric Berry was much younger than Thomas when he got his huge contract. Berry also did not make comments about retiring, or pull the same kind of stunts that Thomas pulled in Dallas. Earl Thomas talked about retiring than all of the sudden he pulls back when he sees what Berry got paid. If I'm a GM I would be hesitant given remarks about retiring, and such on twitter. Moreover we were actively trying to get rid of him this offseason and we had no takers. It is rare that Pete Carroll or the Seahawks publicly announce that they are trying to deal a certain player. That to me is a signal that there is some sort of disconnect between Thomas and the organization. To make matters worse for Thomas, the FS contracts in free agency have been tepid at best. In the draft we also saw safeties fall down the boards, and we saw teams unwilling to make a deal for what is considered the best safety in the league at the moment in Thomas.

    His age also is going to play a factor. Thomas is going to turn 30 soon, and last season he seemed to be showing some signs of slowing down. He did not have quite the range that Thomas was known for having in his prime. As a fan of the organization, I do not know the full story. That being said, the willingness of Pete Carroll to try and deal one of his corner stone players, and comments made in the past about retiring, and a few debacles such as the Dallas one makes me question him as a player. Does he even buy into what our coach is selling at this point, and if so what is his devotion to the game like? These are all pertinent questions that would give me pause if I was Jon Schneider or Pete Carroll.

    Even if Earl Thomas were to hit the FA market tomorrow I highly doubt he would receive anything near what Eric Berry got. The circumstances are different from when Berry signed that contract. Giving Earl that kind of contract would be a risky proposition given his age, actions he took, and things he's said in the twitterverse. I'm sad that the situation is what it is, but I think it is time that we said goodbye to Thomas, and welcome in a new era. He was one of my favorite Hawks and he anchored what is one of the best, if not THE best secondary of all time.
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  • Seymour wrote:Shopping a player for trade is not showing "they are willing to extend". I'm not talking about Kam holding out with 2 years left. I'm talking about the end result becoming a disaster for the team.


    They also reportedly had offers, and declined to accept them. They have known this entire off season that he wanted an extension. This is not a surprise move on his behalf. If they weren't willing to discuss an extension, they'd have accepted what was on the table for him. Having Earl disgruntled for half a season isn't worth the hassle.

    I understand why people may not want to extend him (although I'm not in agreement), but that doesn't mean the team has just ignored the fact that he wants an extension this entire off season. It really doesn't make sense to have kept him around with the knowledge that he wanted an extension, if they didn't plan on at the very least, negotiating said extension in good faith.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Seymour wrote:"I want to have certainty in regards to the upcoming years of my career.”

    No kidding Earl....don't we all!!

    Well I bet that Peter, Paul, and John want some certainty that we do not become the laughing stock of the league for paying top $$ for declining players that either can no longer play, no longer be counted on being healthy, or paying for a player that cannot play to the level he is being compensated to perform to.

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    And you feel this describes Earl Thomas???


    #2 sure does!

    His first 6 seasons he starts all 16 games every year.
    Last 2 he starts 11 then 14.

    That would indicate the beginning of a less reliable Earl.

    Also....1st 6 years Earl averages 61 tackles per season.
    Last 2 he averages 40.


    Which given Kam's circumstance should render the team very cautious and even unlikely to offer a large guaranteed 3rd contract to Thomas, notwithstanding his past performance as it is the expectation of his performance going forward.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • kidhawk wrote:
    Seymour wrote:Shopping a player for trade is not showing "they are willing to extend". I'm not talking about Kam holding out with 2 years left. I'm talking about the end result becoming a disaster for the team.


    They also reportedly had offers, and declined to accept them. They have known this entire off season that he wanted an extension. This is not a surprise move on his behalf. If they weren't willing to discuss an extension, they'd have accepted what was on the table for him. Having Earl disgruntled for half a season isn't worth the hassle.

    I understand why people may not want to extend him (although I'm not in agreement), but that doesn't mean the team has just ignored the fact that he wants an extension this entire off season. It really doesn't make sense to have kept him around with the knowledge that he wanted an extension, if they didn't plan on at the very least, negotiating said extension in good faith.


    From what I heard they were offered a 3rd by Dallas, and Dallas was reluctant because of contract desires. They still could get a better offer as the season nears from a team in need, or even a 2nd or 3rd and a player they have a need for if the right team comes around.

    I don't mind extending him.....for a bit more than he is making though which is way less than he wants. Times are changing with $30M++ QB contracts taking a higher share. Franchise QB teams are going to be forced into these decisions IMO.

    The offer came when Dallas was sitting there waiting to make the No. 81 selection of the draft, their only third-round pick. According to Shariff, they offered that pick to the Seahawks while on the clock but "didn't hear back" from the Seahawks and decided to turn in the card for Colorado State wide receiver Michael Gallup.


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  • Earl's behavior absolutely destroyed his market value, and led to the situation we are in now.

    He wants top safety money, his play is worthy of top safety money, and there are several teams who would be happy to pay him top safety money on a long contract. Unfortunately, the Hawks aren't one of those teams. We really aren't in the position to give him a top dollar, long-term contract.

    Had Earl quietly gone about the last couple of seasons, doing his job, and keeping his mouth shut, it's likely that one of those teams, who is in a position to pay him top dollar, would have given us a reasonable trade for him. Unfortunately, he made his plan abundantly clear to everyone in the league, and no one is going to make much of a trade for a one year rental (unless someone in strong contention loses their starting safety). The Cowboys would be dumb to give us anything more than a token pick in return for a player that they can get in free agency next year.

    I don't see where Thomas has any leverage here. He destroyed his market value. We all know he will test the market as soon as he hits free agency, and so there is no incentive to give anything up for him now. If he doesn't return to play by the Lions game, his contract tolls and he won't be a free agent until 2020 at the earliest.
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  • bigskydoc wrote:
    I don't see where Thomas has any leverage here. He destroyed his market value. We all know he will test the market as soon as he hits free agency, and so there is no incentive to give anything up for him now. If he doesn't return to play by the Lions game, his contract tolls and he won't be a free agent until 2020 at the earliest.


    You're right on both counts. He has no leverage, and he destroyed his value by announcing to the world that he wants to finish his career in Dallas.

    Doesn't mean other teams aren't interested, but it certainly means those teams aren't going to give the Hawks what we want for compensation if they're getting a one year rent-a-player because he's hell bent on playing in Dallas if we don't give him the monster extension here.

    I compare it to when Griffey announced he only wanted to be traded to the Reds. It's just dumb, and it royally screws your current team, because competition is what drives up a players value. The more teams interested the better.

    One team? Err, not so much. Dallas is perfectly happy to play the waiting game.
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  • poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson

    No.

    He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
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    I don't see where Thomas has any leverage here. He destroyed his market value. We all know he will test the market as soon as he hits free agency, and so there is no incentive to give anything up for him now. If he doesn't return to play by the Lions game, his contract tolls and he won't be a free agent until 2020 at the earliest.


    You're right on both counts. He has no leverage, and he destroyed his value by announcing to the world that he wants to finish his career in Dallas.

    Doesn't mean other teams aren't interested, but it certainly means those teams aren't going to give the Hawks what we want for compensation if they're getting a one year rent-a-player because he's hell bent on playing in Dallas if we don't give him the monster extension here.

    I compare it to when Griffey announced he only wanted to be traded to the Reds. It's just dumb, and it royally screws your current team, because competition is what drives up a players value. The more teams interested the better.

    One team? Err, not so much. Dallas is perfectly happy to play the waiting game.


    I pretty much agree, but this could be a who blinks first situation that Earl is attempting to gain the upper hand in also.

    The Cowboys will argue the leverage has now shifted to their side in trying to acquire Thomas. Why? No team was willing to pay Seattle's price in this draft. That lowers expectations on what the Seahawks can get in return.

    Seattle can counter that the Cowboys still need a safety and refuse to budge.

    The wild card is Thomas. He can force the issue by his participation -- or lack of it -- in the Seahawks' offseason program. If he and the club can't agree on an extension, if Seattle becomes convinced it will lose the veteran in free agency next season and get nothing in return, the dynamics change.

    The Cowboys can respond with a conditional pick in next year's draft that escalates based on how many snaps Thomas takes and games he starts.


    https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2018/06/10/earl-thomas-remains-seahawk-after-draft-doesnt-mean-cowboys-done-pursuing
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  • rcaido wrote:Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.

    You don't get a contract you ALREADY earned. You get one that you management anticipates you WILL earn.
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  • bigskydoc wrote:The Cowboys would be dumb to give us anything more than a token pick in return for a player that they can get in free agency next year.

    If the Hawks play hardball with Earl and don't offer him an extension, AND he plays out his contract this year so it doesn't toll, the Hawks can franchise him in 2019... and again in 2020 if they want.
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  • HawkerD wrote:
    rcaido wrote:Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.

    You don't get a contract you ALREADY earned. You get one that you management anticipates you WILL earn.


    I dont see him having a decline anytime soon. We took a chance on Cary Williams 7 million and last year Joekel 8million. i think we can chance Earl having a good 3 years.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:The Cowboys would be dumb to give us anything more than a token pick in return for a player that they can get in free agency next year.

    If the Hawks play hardball with Earl and don't offer him an extension, AND he plays out his contract this year so it doesn't toll, the Hawks can franchise him in 2019... and again in 2020 if they want.


    We are going to need that tag for Russ. I say we should bite the bullet and extend ET three years, just don't guarantee year 3.
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  • rcaido wrote:
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    rcaido wrote:Just pay the guy already, he has certainly earn it. Lets go in the season fresh without distractions for once.

    You don't get a contract you ALREADY earned. You get one that you management anticipates you WILL earn.


    I dont see him having a decline anytime soon. We took a chance on Cary Williams 7 million and last year Joekel 8million. i think we can chance Earl having a good 3 years.


    This is a really, really good point. ETIII would carry a higher risk in terms of more guaranteed money over more years than those guys, but he's obviously a better player. I mentioned in the Lockett thread that Earl was also coming off a broken leg last season and was still a second team All-Pro. I think the recovery he made was underrated here and across the league. He came right back and played at a high level from week one. The hamstring injury is concerning though, not sure if those were related?

    Also, who are we going to spend the money on? The only extension candidates who will or might earn big money on the team prior to the 2017 draft class IMO:

    2015 Draft: Frank Clark and Tyler Lockett
    2016 Draft: Jarran Reed (Ifedi???)

    More seasoned vets: Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Earl Thomas, Duane Brown (Doug Baldwin?)

    It seems feasible to pay Earl Thomas a lot of money and still have money for most of those guys.
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  • crosfam wrote:
    onanygivensunday wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:The Cowboys would be dumb to give us anything more than a token pick in return for a player that they can get in free agency next year.

    If the Hawks play hardball with Earl and don't offer him an extension, AND he plays out his contract this year so it doesn't toll, the Hawks can franchise him in 2019... and again in 2020 if they want.


    We are going to need that tag for Russ. I say we should bite the bullet and extend ET three years, just don't guarantee year 3.


    I would only think that the first year and his bonus would be guaranteed at signing. Further guarantees would be tied to his being on the roster at certain points, so you can alleviate that issue by cutting him before guarantees kick in if they don't want to continue paying him.
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  • From a football standpoint, the big concern would be SS if McDougald is forced to play FS in place of Thomas.

    Hill and Alexander are disasters in covering space. They will improve, but you have to be realistic about how much they can possibly improve by Week 1.

    It sucks that Earl feels like he has to hold the team hostage to force their hand.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson

    No.

    He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.


    Statistics are such a tiny part of the story when it comes to DB's. Earl has already been to 3 times as many pro-bowls as Reggie Nelson. Earl has been a first team all pro 3 times. Nelson never. There isn't a comparison.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson

    No.

    He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.


    Again it's not stats, what scheme does Nelson play in and what are his responsibilities? Earl is not playing in a two deep or Tampa 2, he roams alone back there protecting against the deep ball and supports the Edge. QB's just don't test him much and when they do it's a incompletion or a pick when they did it his rookie year.

    I think his peers and other coaches respect his abilities a lot more then you do.
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