Blitzer88 wrote:Sign Eric Reid now!
Someone buy this man a beer
Blitzer88 wrote:Sign Eric Reid now!
Seymour wrote:jammerhawk wrote:OK, but at what cost?
Do you think Thomas' agent will settle on a deal that pays him less than Eric Berry money? Somehow with Clark and Wilson waiting in the wings for new deals I can't see the team and Thomas being able to come to an agreement on a new deal as I doubt the team is going to give him a 4 yr, $75 million/$30 million plus guaranteed deal.
Bingo!! Winner!!
Also throw Wagner in there above Clark on the big $$ signing priority list.
chris98251 wrote:Again it's not stats, what scheme does Nelson play in and what are his responsibilities? Earl is not playing in a two deep or Tampa 2, he roams alone back there protecting against the deep ball and supports the Edge. QB's just don't test him much and when they do it's a incompletion or a pick when they did it his rookie year.
I think his peers and other coaches respect his abilities a lot more then you do.
Bigpumpkin wrote:Bottom line.....Does Earl get a new contract with the Hawks before September 9th or not?
vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
FinNasty wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
I really don’t know what to do with this...
Reggie Nelson? Really?
hawknation2018 wrote:FinNasty wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
I really don’t know what to do with this...
Reggie Nelson? Really?
Earl Thomas is a HoFer. Period. Full Stop.
The best player on a team that led the NFL in scoring defense for four-consecutive years.
vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
themunn wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
Reggie Nelson made the pro bowl twice, and was 2nd team all-pro once, in his entire career.
Earl Thomas has 6 pro bowls, 3 first team all-pros and 2 2nd team all pros in 8 years.
Similar comparison? Well, Brian Dawkins after 8 seasons had 3 pro bowls, 2 first team all-pros, 1 2nd team all-pro, 21 interceptions, at age 30. So Earl Thomas is ahead of a 2018 inducted Hall of Famer in every respect at the same stage of his career.
Of course, Dawkins went on to get another 6 pro bowl selections, and 3 first team all-pro selectiosn AFTER he turned 30, missing just 14 games over the next 8 years (7 of those in his last 2 seasons at the ripe old age of 37). So now is definitely the time to ditch Thomas and watch him play at a high level for another half decade.
Blitzer88 wrote:Sign Eric Reid now!
Sox-n-Hawks wrote:themunn wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
Reggie Nelson made the pro bowl twice, and was 2nd team all-pro once, in his entire career.
Earl Thomas has 6 pro bowls, 3 first team all-pros and 2 2nd team all pros in 8 years.
Similar comparison? Well, Brian Dawkins after 8 seasons had 3 pro bowls, 2 first team all-pros, 1 2nd team all-pro, 21 interceptions, at age 30. So Earl Thomas is ahead of a 2018 inducted Hall of Famer in every respect at the same stage of his career.
Of course, Dawkins went on to get another 6 pro bowl selections, and 3 first team all-pro selectiosn AFTER he turned 30, missing just 14 games over the next 8 years (7 of those in his last 2 seasons at the ripe old age of 37). So now is definitely the time to ditch Thomas and watch him play at a high level for another half decade.
That would be a Charles Woodson trajectory. I wonder if Earl is durable enough for that? Part of me says yes. I mean heck, he came back from destroying his leg.
Spin Doctor wrote:hawknation2018 wrote:FinNasty wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
I really don’t know what to do with this...
Reggie Nelson? Really?
Earl Thomas is a HoFer. Period. Full Stop.
The best player on a team that led the NFL in scoring defense for four-consecutive years.
Really hard to tell if he was the best player. I think he does have a few legitimate issues that voters will probably mull over. For example, every player in that secondary was outstanding. Even Bryon Maxwell, and Browner looked like top corner backs in our system. He certainly was a big part, but I do think his lack of bulk stats will hurt him when his name is eligible. I think they will acknowledge that he was a special player -- but at this rate I'm not so sure he'll be a first ballet. He may be waiting for a little while like Easley did. We also need to consider how much longer does he have elite play in him. That will also play a part in how the voters will view him come voting time. As good as Thomas is, I certainly don't think he was quite at Reed or Dawkins levels. My memory may be a bit hazy, but it took a bit for Dawkins to get in if I'm remembering correctly (correct me if Im wrong).
In lieu of that I think he has a good chance to go in as a hall of famer, he definitely has a few credentials that make his induction plausible, but again I think the lack of bulk stats and turnovers will come back to bite him. I think that the first member of our vaunted secondary to get in will actually be Sherman. He had some really memorable moments, and his out spoken nature/ball hawkish nature will make him very hard to forget.
themunn wrote:
I see no reason why it can't be the same for Thomas.
Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Trading now would be for absolute peanuts. We have the players and cap space to withstand a holdout. Just telling us up front actually allows the team to better prepare even. So why sell impossibly low? His value has likely only declined since the draft. Still not sure who would even want to pony up a pick and pay Eric berry money - when the safety market is super depressed, the value isn’t there.
hawknation2018 wrote:What exactly does Earl gain from a holdout? People speculated during Kam Chancellor’s holdout that he was doing it because he needed time to heal up his knees. Earl appears to be healthy, so how does this benefit him?
adeltaY wrote:Chancellor has no shot at the hall. He has no first team all pros. Sherm and Earl are the only ones who do (besides Bobby), so they have the best shot out of the LoB guys.
hawknation2018 wrote:adeltaY wrote:Chancellor has no shot at the hall. He has no first team all pros. Sherm and Earl are the only ones who do (besides Bobby), so they have the best shot out of the LoB guys.
Because the voters never wanted both First Team safeties to be Seahawks.
Ask any opponent, though, and they would say that Kam Chancellor was the most feared player in the game.
He somehow accomplished that distinction, with clean hits, despite playing in an era of increasing penalization of hard hits.
adeltaY wrote:hawknation2018 wrote:adeltaY wrote:Chancellor has no shot at the hall. He has no first team all pros. Sherm and Earl are the only ones who do (besides Bobby), so they have the best shot out of the LoB guys.
Because the voters never wanted both First Team safeties to be Seahawks.
Ask any opponent, though, and they would say that Kam Chancellor was the most feared player in the game.
He somehow accomplished that distinction, with clean hits, despite playing in an era of increasing penalization of hard hits.
Yes, but that won't matter when it comes to HoF voting. It's tough for safeties anyway, idk if Earl will make it. Kam won't. Sherm has the best shot if he can get at least three more pro bowl seasons.
themunn wrote:vin.couve12 wrote:poly1274 wrote:Question do people really believe Earl Thomas as hofer?? I looked at the numbers he ain’t Charles Woodson
No.
He's statistically similar to Reggie Nelson over his first 8 years and then Reggie Nelson had 14 INTs over years 9 through 11. He won't catch Reggie Nelson, let alone get into the hall. Kenny Easley had 32 picks in 7 years and it took him 25 years to get in. If he gets in, it will be because of name more than play and it won't be for an extremely long time, but likely not at all.
Reggie Nelson made the pro bowl twice, and was 2nd team all-pro once, in his entire career.
Earl Thomas has 6 pro bowls, 3 first team all-pros and 2 2nd team all pros in 8 years.
Similar comparison? Well, Brian Dawkins after 8 seasons had 3 pro bowls, 2 first team all-pros, 1 2nd team all-pro, 21 interceptions, at age 30. So Earl Thomas is ahead of a 2018 inducted Hall of Famer in every respect at the same stage of his career.
Of course, Dawkins went on to get another 6 pro bowl selections, and 3 first team all-pro selectiosn AFTER he turned 30, missing just 14 games over the next 8 years (7 of those in his last 2 seasons at the ripe old age of 37). So now is definitely the time to ditch Thomas and watch him play at a high level for another half decade.
Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Trading now would be for absolute peanuts. We have the players and cap space to withstand a holdout. Just telling us up front actually allows the team to better prepare even. So why sell impossibly low? His value has likely only declined since the draft. Still not sure who would even want to pony up a pick and pay Eric berry money - when the safety market is super depressed, the value isn’t there.
Bigpumpkin wrote:Bottom line.....Does Earl get a new contract with the Hawks before September 9th or not?
bigskydoc wrote:I think his open market value is a pretty good reflection of his HOF chances.
Sgt. Largent wrote:bigskydoc wrote:I think his open market value is a pretty good reflection of his HOF chances.
I don't see how these two things are tied together at all.
HOF is a career defining evaluation of talent. What's going on now in the open market is every other team has the same opinion of Earl as we do..............amazingly talented free safety, but with too many health concerns to give a massive contract extension.
SpokaneHawks wrote:I believe Earl may have somebody that has bitter feelings towards the Seahawks in his ear..........hmmm?
adeltaY wrote:SpokaneHawks wrote:I believe Earl may have somebody that has bitter feelings towards the Seahawks in his ear..........hmmm?
Jville wrote:adeltaY wrote:SpokaneHawks wrote:I believe Earl may have somebody that has bitter feelings towards the Seahawks in his ear..........hmmm?
Jville wrote:
Every year we enter the stupid season. Sherm's is as good of warning as any that it has returned once again. Lazy disinformation.
hawkfan68 wrote:Earl Thomas is the 6th highest paid safety in the NFL. There's an argument that 4 of those being paid more can't hold his jock when it comes to their play....Reshad Jones, LaMarcus Joyner anyone...please. He has a legit gripe in my book. He should and deserves to be paid at the minimum Kam Chancellor type of money. Kam earns $12M/yr per Sporttrac.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/safety/
hawkfan68 wrote:Earl Thomas is the 6th highest paid safety in the NFL. There's an argument that 2 of those being paid more can't hold his jock when it comes to their play....Reshad Jones, LaMarcus Joyner anyone...please. He has a legit gripe in my book. He should and deserves to be paid at the minimum Kam Chancellor type of money. Kam earns $12M/yr per Sporttrac.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/safety/
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