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  • I mean how is that not the point?

    What if the deal to extend him is a decent one though?
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  • Uncle Si wrote:What if the deal to extend him is a decent one though?

    Why? McDougald played great at FS for us. We averaged 16 PPG with him in vs 17 PPG with Earl. Even if there is a drop off, it is extremely minimal. So what's the price on that? What is that worth? Why would we pay an extra 10 million per year for next to no gain? That doesn't make a lick of business sense.

    I know there are some who don't know the defense that want to say that Earl would have gotten down the deep sideline in that WAS game, but that's a lie. Earl had made 2 plays on the deep sideline in his entire career in pass coverage and that's by design. It's not his responsibility or the FS's responsibility. Nearly every other INT that Earl has gotten on the deep sideline has been tipped to him by Sherm.

    The ROI doesn't make sense here. Net gain of having Earl vs having McDougald does not make up the difference of 10+million dollars and probably not even 8 mil.

    The only real difference is that you're talking about having both shoring up both the FS and SS spots for this year. Earl's game is based on speed more than anything else. He's not the brightest guy in the world, and he's losing his speed. So do you go short sighted for this year/screw yourself long term, or do that actually have confidence in the safeties they drafted last year like JS says?

    Either way, week 1 is likely McDougald at FS and Alexander at SS and that shouldn't look to bad IF the pass rush doesn't suck. Pass rush has proven to be more important anyway. Even with a perfectly healthy LOB, you get cut up if the pass rush allows as much time as they have been.
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  • The NFL is a business... but it works both ways. Players have to look out for themselves and so do the teams.

    Look, it's not like we're going to the Superbowl this year. If that were the case, the team should do everything to keep Earl happy and on the field.

    But that, sadly, is not the case.

    The team should plan to play this year without him. Sorry, Earl, you've made a bad decision.
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  • Yeah, i don't think we NEED Earl Thomas...

    But we certainly either need him or the draft picks. Im saying that the package for ET might make it worth keeping him for 2-3 more years.
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  • Well with Kams contract guaranteeing he gets paid playing or not this year I think Earl wants that safety cushion as well, from the teams side it is dumb to give that type of contract as it has hamstrung us in some ways, giving another to a player almost 30 would be stupid. From a players side yeah I want the money there if I am laying my body on the line every day, they did it for Kam so they should do it for me has to be Earls thoughts.
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  • Earl's instagram post is a framing statement .......................................

    The Earl Thomas statement is nothing more than a now standard player agent provided statement ..... i.e. words to frame the narrative. There is little value in those words just as there was little of value in the words that framed the precedent setting Marshawn Lynch statements. In the end, Marshawn got every dime out of Paul Allen on his way to Oakland.

    The Marshawn Lynch story set the example of how agents work Paul Allen. The Earl Thomas narrative is simply following the Lynch pattern on the way out of town to his beloved Dallas. In fact, hindsight suggests the Legion of Boom came to be degraded into the Legion of Doom with the Kam Chancellor hold out. Indeed, there are other player agents and players who replicate the Lynch example.

    In my eyes, Paul Allen remains hostage to the Lynch precedent. The "timed extortion" of Paul Allen continues to snowball unabated on Allen. Could it further threaten to continue it's destabilizing path by next sweeping up Frank Clark sooner rather than latter?

    The Lynch precedent remains a formidable stumbling block to team planing and continuity. Finding answers is a necessary prerequisite to returning as a competitive team. Will they try once again to kick the can down the road? Or will they reveal a solution?
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  • I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.
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  • If the Seahawks do not budge then it doesn't necessarily mean Earl is making a mistake from his perspective. It will cost him $6m to hold out the first 10 games of the season and he's looking at $20m+ in guaranteed dollars as a UFA in 2019. That can be a solid trade-off for an aging safety depending on the risk of injury, and that's before you factor in ego and the appeal of completely skipping the next five months of football.

    UncleSi wrote:What if the deal to extend him is a decent one though?

    What in your opinion is a decent deal for both parties?

    vin.cover12 wrote:Conversely, if a trade is back on the table, do they not have to beat the price of that 3rd rounder or whatever would be in the cards for a comp pick? That's the way I'm looking at it now. A trade would have to meet or exceed the comp pick next year.

    We'd probably get a 2020 third. Knock the round down one to get the pick a year earlier, and since comp picks occur at the end of the round it drops another half round. So the trade equivalent to that comp pick is probably a 2019 late fourth.

    I think it's more complicated than that, however, because there is benefit to Earl in being traded to a team he wants to play for. I'm not typically in favor of worrying about precedents but they do matter in cases like these, and a 2019 late fourth may not be worth future headaches created.
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  • Seahaaaawks wrote:
    AgentDib wrote:We were all worried about this for good reason but it's still very disappointing. Kam's holdout really hurt our 2015 season and I'm pessimistic that Earl's holdout will end up a similar way.

    Wasn’t it Earl who said in a post game interview after going 0-2 something to the effect of “he needs to be out here with us”. Basically calling Kam selfish for holding out without saying it? Now he is going to do the same thing...

    Mini-camp doesn’t = missing games.
    If he misses games then your point stands, if not, it’s moot.
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  • He has to be eyeing Berry’s contract (he mention it at the time in ‘17)

    “The Chiefs signed Eric Berry to a six year, $78 million contract on February 28, 2017. Berry received $40 million in guarantees including a $20 million signing bonus and the base salary of the first two years of his contract.”

    They are only 3 million apart now, so it’s not an impossible reach.

    The guarantees have to be the sticking point, and after the Kam contract (more specifically the guarantees given), I’m not sure how much of an appetite there is to end up in a similar situation.

    As an aside, Kam will be getting paid 2 million (guaranteed) more than Earl this year and may not play.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:OK, to clarify, Earl's representatives told JS that he wouldn't hold out. That's when Pete got fired up on camera saying, "Heck yeah, I don't know what everyone's talking about. He's on our roster and we're counting on him," etc, etc, etc.

    Then Pete pretty much said the same after he wasn't traded after the draft.

    Should have traded him, fools.


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  • For those who haven't looked into this, each missed game check will cost Earl a cool half million.
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  • Any seller wanting to get more for his services, product, etc MUST make whatever he is pitching more attractive to potential buyers. Once every buyer wanted to buy, than one have leverage to play one against another to get the highest result.

    Our Earl with input perhaps from Sherm has done the just the opposite:

    Piss off one buyer, Hawks, by “come get me” and “I’ll come to camp” then no show.

    Surrender leverage on another buyer, Cowboys, by “come get me”.

    Make himself undesirable to all other suitors with “come get me”. If you were a HC, would you risk on a player who may one day make you look like you have lost the locker room?

    With such moves, all designed to make himself less desirable, our hall of fame FS in or close to his prime, couldn’t even attract a second round pick on own market, Whoever advising for those moves is costing him millions.




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  • toffee wrote:Any seller wanting to get more for his services, product, etc MUST make whatever he is pitching more attractive to potential buyers. Once every buyer wanted to buy, than one have leverage to play one against another to get the highest result.

    Our Earl with input perhaps from Sherm has done the just the opposite:

    Piss off one buyer, Hawks, by “come get me” and “I’ll come to camp” then no show.

    Surrender leverage on another buyer, Cowboys, by “come get me”.

    Make himself undesirable to all other suitors with “come get me”. If you were a HC, would you risk on a player who may one day make you look like you have lost the locker room?

    With such moves, all designed to make himself less desirable, our hall of fame FS in or close to his prime, couldn’t even attract a second round pick on own market, Whoever advising for those moves is costing him millions.




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    Except if he gets a contract he is securing millions whether he can play or not if he is targtetting the Kam type contract. Remember most these no shows are forgiven in their fines once they settle.
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  • I want Earl to be re-signed but threats are the wrong way to go about it.

    This makes me want to see K.J. Wright be re-signed first. Showing up is important.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    toffee wrote:Any seller wanting to get more for his services, product, etc MUST make whatever he is pitching more attractive to potential buyers. Once every buyer wanted to buy, than one have leverage to play one against another to get the highest result.

    Our Earl with input perhaps from Sherm has done the just the opposite:

    Piss off one buyer, Hawks, by “come get me” and “I’ll come to camp” then no show.

    Surrender leverage on another buyer, Cowboys, by “come get me”.

    Make himself undesirable to all other suitors with “come get me”. If you were a HC, would you risk on a player who may one day make you look like you have lost the locker room?

    With such moves, all designed to make himself less desirable, our hall of fame FS in or close to his prime, couldn’t even attract a second round pick on own market, Whoever advising for those moves is costing him millions.




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    Except if he gets a contract he is securing millions whether he can play or not if he is targtetting the Kam type contract. Remember most these no shows are forgiven in their fines once they settle.
    by narrowing his market appeal, he wouldn’t get what he could.


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  • I personally don't want to see this happen at all, but what if they just cut him? If the culture change/realignment is as prominent as some are saying, wouldn't that be a powerful move? They gave away Mike B for very little compensation and cut Sherman straight up (injuries played a factor with him, though). There's no dead money for releasing ET now, right?

    Our other options are to trade, extend, franchise tag, or let him walk. Setting aside franchise tag (never done it before) and extending (could happen?), our options yield limited rewards. We hope we can get a 3rd round comp pick in 2020, but we told ourselves that about Sheldon and Jimmy and we got nothing. It depends on what FAs we sign and the contract Earl signs with his new team. Trading him now, I don't see us getting more than a 2019 4th.

    So, if we cut him, the FO sends a strong message at the cost of a 2020 3rd (optimistic projection) or a 2019 4th and we incur no dead money (or 500K? not sure). Would that be worth it?
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  • ^^^

    Per OTC ....... the dead cap money that would be incurred via outright release would be $1,900,000.
    However, the accompanying cap savings to be realized would be $8,500,000.

    Seattle easily leads all other teams in position cost at safety at $27,672,136.

    Earl Thomas is currently scheduled to receive $1,700,000 more in salary checks this year than Kam Chancellor.

    It's early in the process. We are only talking about a couple upcoming OTAs. A great opportunity for 4 alternatives to get additional coaching.
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  • adeltaY wrote:So, if we cut him, the FO sends a strong message at the cost of a 2020 3rd (optimistic projection) or a 2019 4th and we incur no dead money (or 500K? not sure). Would that be worth it?

    What message are you talking about? That if you don't like your current contract you just have to not show up and then we'll tear it up for you? Earl would much rather be a UFA right now than have a single non-guaranteed year in which he could get injured.
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  • Every sentence in his letter starts with the word I. Guess what Earl, no team is knocking down the door to make you the highest paid safety in the league. Hope you come to your senses before you lose a bunch of money and come crawling back to the field and get yourself injured due to holding out.
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  • Jville wrote:^^^

    Per OTC ....... the dead cap money that would be incurred via outright release would be $1,900,000.
    However, the accompanying cap savings to be realized would be $8,500,000.

    Seattle easily leads all other teams in position cost at safety at $27,672,136.

    Earl Thomas is currently scheduled to receive $1,700,000 more in salary checks this year than Kam Chancellor.

    It's early in the process. We are only talking about a couple upcoming OTAs. A great opportunity for 4 alternatives to get additional coaching.


    This isn't a bad idea.. the cap savings is worth it. Not like he's re signing here anyway. We should be able to get a 3rd and 4th rd for him though . Hopefully they get a trade done and get the last distraction off this team.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:For those who haven't looked into this, each missed game check will cost Earl a cool half million.

    That’s why he won’t be missing any games.
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  • toffee wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:OK, to clarify, Earl's representatives told JS that he wouldn't hold out. That's when Pete got fired up on camera saying, "Heck yeah, I don't know what everyone's talking about. He's on our roster and we're counting on him," etc, etc, etc.

    Then Pete pretty much said the same after he wasn't traded after the draft.

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    Wow, over react much?
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  • Screw Earl Thomas. He's a hypocrite. "I care about Seattle and want to finish my career here."

    Then why did you follow the Dallas Cowboys in to their locker room and say "come get me!"

    This is just a money grab with Richard Sherman in his ear. Sherman only has one goal, hurt the Seahawks as much as possible. He doesn't care that Earl is only going to lose money.

    And that BS about looking out for his family and future doesn't fly either. Everytime we've given in and renewed a contract early, we've gotten the shaft. Actually, the other players other on the team get the shaft because that's less money for the players that are still here.

    There's only so much money in the cap, and when one player takes an unfair portion, that's less for the other 52 players on the roster.

    And the idea that they need to be paid up front to protect their future is a manufactured argument. Where is the money to take care of Ricardo Lockette?

    What about all of those high school and college players (men and women, ALL sports) who very injured?

    Earl already has millions in the bank, why does he deserve more "protection" than most of the other players on the roster.

    Plus, he lied. He told his team mates he would be there. Now he's willing to put their successful season at risk so that he can get more of the financial pie than most of the other players on the team?

    He saw how Kam's hold out screwed the players and their season. That could have been Superbowl year, but instead we started out 2 - 4! He told his team mates he would come back if they started losing games. And he did. Too little too late.

    Kam lost money, and when he came back, he apologized to his team mates.

    And the while time he was out, Earl was pining "Kam! Come back!" "I'm lost out there because Kam always studied the film and put us in position!"

    No, Earl can suck it. Maybe if he hadn't abandoned his team mates and run in to an opposing teams locker room (while his team mates filed in to theirs), and told the opposing team, "Come get me" I might have some sympathy, but not now.

    Ever since then I've wondered, just how hard is Earl playing out there now? Is he pulling up on. Jason Witten so that he doesn't hurt his future team mate?

    And screw you Richard Sherman! Don't make excuses and shirk responsibility for your selfish side line actions by blaming being cut on a heartless team dumping an injured player.

    If you hadn't shown so much of your ass on the side lines during games, and at press conferences threatening Jim Moore (which he refused to take responsibility for), then ignoring your head coach when he asked you to apologise, you might still be here.
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  • onanygivensunday wrote:For those who haven't looked into this, each missed game check will cost Earl a cool half million.

    That’s why he won’t be missing any games.
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  • Wow, we’re all of you that are this outraged over ET missing mini-camp this pissed when HOF’er Walter Jones did the same thing just about EVERY year? Just curious.
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  • Should have traded him. Sick of Seahawk players doing this crap.

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  • When did Earl Thomas himself tell his teammates he was going to come to camp? I know his reps told Schneider he would but that's not the same at all. Earl and Kam holdouts aren't the same. Kam had two years left and Earl has one. Kam was trying to get the Seahawks to break their rule about extensions and ET is not. Huge difference.

    Sherman conspiring to hurt the Seahawks??? LOL that's a good one. He's made similar statements about holdouts plenty of times before.

    Show a play where Earl pulled up on a Cowboy player or anyone. Strong jilted lover vibes man. How we gonna hate so hard on these guys who brought us our only championship and one of the best defenses of all time? I don't get it.
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  • Wow, we’re all of you that were this outraged over ET missing mini-camp this pissed when HOF’er Walter Jones did the same thing? Just curious.
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  • adeltaY wrote:When did Earl Thomas himself tell his teammates he was going to come to camp? I know his reps told Schneider he would but that's not the same at all. Earl and Kam holdouts aren't the same. Kam had two years left and Earl has one. Kam was trying to get the Seahawks to break their rule about extensions and ET is not. Huge difference.

    Sherman conspiring to hurt the Seahawks??? LOL that's a good one. He's made similar statements about holdouts plenty of times before.

    Show a play where Earl pulled up on a Cowboy player or anyone. Strong jilted lover vibes man. How we gonna hate so hard on these guys who brought us our only championship and one of the best defenses of all time? I don't get it.

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  • Shocking news.....to some. I called this 2 days ago.

    Seymour wrote:I'll call this right now. Earl is a no show in mini camp. That will be his last showing he is serious and the fines to him are minimal ($4,000 per day). That is a drop in the bucket to him, so I think he skips out.

    No, not a big deal. He's not going to be here past this season anyway IMO (may still work a trade this year too).
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  • ivotuk wrote:Screw Earl Thomas. He's a hypocrite. "I care about Seattle and want to finish my career here."

    Then why did you follow the Dallas Cowboys in to their locker room and say "come get me!"

    This is just a money grab with Richard Sherman in his ear. Sherman only has one goal, hurt the Seahawks as much as possible. He doesn't care that Earl is only going to lose money.

    And that BS about looking out for his family and future doesn't fly either. Everytime we've given in and renewed a contract early, we've gotten the shaft. Actually, the other players other on the team get the shaft because that's less money for the players that are still here.

    There's only so much money in the cap, and when one player takes an unfair portion, that's less for the other 52 players on the roster.

    And the idea that they need to be paid up front to protect their future is a manufactured argument. Where is the money to take care of Ricardo Lockette?

    What about all of those high school and college players (men and women, ALL sports) who very injured?

    Earl already has millions in the bank, why does he deserve more "protection" than most of the other players on the roster.

    Plus, he lied. He told his team mates he would be there. Now he's willing to put their successful season at risk so that he can get more of the financial pie than most of the other players on the team?

    He saw how Kam's hold out screwed the players and their season. That could have been Superbowl year, but instead we started out 2 - 4! He told his team mates he would come back if they started losing games. And he did. Too little too late.

    Kam lost money, and when he came back, he apologized to his team mates.

    And the while time he was out, Earl was pining "Kam! Come back!" "I'm lost out there because Kam always studied the film and put us in position!"

    No, Earl can suck it. Maybe if he hadn't abandoned his team mates and run in to an opposing teams locker room (while his team mates filed in to theirs), and told the opposing team, "Come get me" I might have some sympathy, but not now.

    Ever since then I've wondered, just how hard is Earl playing out there now? Is he pulling up on. Jason Witten so that he doesn't hurt his future team mate?

    And screw you Richard Sherman! Don't make excuses and shirk responsibility for your selfish side line actions by blaming being cut on a heartless team dumping an injured player.

    If you hadn't shown so much of your ass on the side lines during games, and at press conferences threatening Jim Moore (which he refused to take responsibility for), then ignoring your head coach when he asked you to apologise, you might still be here.

    Could not agree more!
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    Jville wrote:^^^

    Per OTC ....... the dead cap money that would be incurred via outright release would be $1,900,000.
    However, the accompanying cap savings to be realized would be $8,500,000.

    Seattle easily leads all other teams in position cost at safety at $27,672,136.

    Earl Thomas is currently scheduled to receive $1,700,000 more in salary checks this year than Kam Chancellor.

    It's early in the process. We are only talking about a couple upcoming OTAs. A great opportunity for 4 alternatives to get additional coaching.


    This isn't a bad idea.. the cap savings is worth it. Not like he's re signing here anyway. We should be able to get a 3rd and 4th rd for him though . Hopefully they get a trade done and get the last distraction off this team.


    Anything could happen. Ya never know when another team might suddenly come around to the thought that they are only one player away from the promise land. Looking at the OTC site, Seattle currently ranks only 30th in position spending for defensive linemen. There is some speculation that Seattle is not done looking for additional pass rush. Since defensive backs are highly dependent on pass rush, much has yet to unfold up front. There are also those other contract extensions to consider on the other side of the line of scrimmage. And, as we have witnessed in the past, John Schneider is always open for business 24/7.
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  • TreeRon wrote:I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.
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  • Trrrroy wrote:It'll be interesting to see what happens. Honesty I don't see the Hawks giving in.


    Nor should they. Sit on the Bench Earl, Hawks already got burned once by this, your own loss as your value will plummet.

    Man this team got so cancerous, just wish we could start fresh with the players here now.
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  • mrt144 wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk which was the smartest move of all time, too bad it didnt sink enough for them to understand how to be responsible for their own choices and actions.

    Overall though for the last 5 years he's let the players dictate his politics. So maybe deep down inside he's more conservative-leaning but for his players sake he's been all about the SJW movement which to many has grown tiresome and pathetic, as it is.

    JP is a straight shooter so if you ain't buying that, you got some problems.
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  • Seymour wrote:Shocking news.....to some. I called this 2 days ago.

    Seymour wrote:I'll call this right now. Earl is a no show in mini camp. That will be his last showing he is serious and the fines to him are minimal ($4,000 per day). That is a drop in the bucket to him, so I think he skips out.

    No, not a big deal. He's not going to be here past this season anyway IMO (may still work a trade this year too).


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  • This may work out well for us. Wait for another team's starting safety to tear an achilles in training camp and trade Earl for a desperate price.

    I'm over millionaires whining for more millions. Come work my job. Then miss six weeks and demand a raise. See how that goes, lol.
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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk which was the smartest move of all time, too bad it didnt sink enough for them to understand how to be responsible for their own choices and actions.

    Overall though for the last 5 years he's let the players dictate his politics. So maybe deep down inside he's more conservative-leaning but for his players sake he's been all about the SJW movement which to many has grown tiresome and pathetic, as it is.

    JP is a straight shooter so if you ain't buying that, you got some problems.


    Oh right, I remember why I stopped posting here. This board is full of cranky old men. Well, thankfully the world isn't yours anymore, lawl.
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  • WindCityHawk wrote:This may work out well for us. Wait for another team's starting safety to tear an achilles in training camp and trade Earl for a desperate price.

    I'm over millionaires whining for more millions. Come work my job. Then miss six weeks and demand a raise. See how that goes, lol.


    Athletes live in imaginary worlds. They don't live among common folk. Everyone is tired of it.

    Grow the up kids, you play a game for a living.

    I say let him sit then trade him to a team willing to overpay.

    No hurt feelings here, I'm a fan of the team not single players. :141847_bnono:

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  • 425HawkSpark wrote:I loved earl, but screw him. Let Sherman be his agent I liked his deal in SF. I say wait it out and franchise him next year.


    Correct answer. Under contract this year, and he almost certainly won't miss game checks. One year on the tag if he's still at an All Pro level. Then he can go off to the "promised land" in Dallas or wherever.

    Bring in Reid just for a conversation, or maybe more than that, to stir the pot.
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  • WindCityHawk wrote:
    NFSeahawks628 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk which was the smartest move of all time, too bad it didnt sink enough for them to understand how to be responsible for their own choices and actions.

    Overall though for the last 5 years he's let the players dictate his politics. So maybe deep down inside he's more conservative-leaning but for his players sake he's been all about the SJW movement which to many has grown tiresome and pathetic, as it is.

    JP is a straight shooter so if you ain't buying that, you got some problems.


    Oh right, I remember why I stopped posting here. This board is full of cranky old men. Well, thankfully the world isn't yours anymore, lawl.


    I'm young and not cranky at all. I just live in the real world where Trump is president.

    Sorry I ruffled your panties, but this is life. I have no time to waste on spoiled children, and apparently neither does Pete.

    Yes, please stop posting here, and also stop trying to limit free speech, it ain't gona work out for you man.

    Actually the world is mine, it's a mindset, I piss excellence every day, and the thing is I know it. ;)
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  • KillerB wrote:
    425HawkSpark wrote:I loved earl, but screw him. Let Sherman be his agent I liked his deal in SF. I say wait it out and franchise him next year.


    Correct answer. Under contract this year, and he almost certainly won't miss game checks. One year on the tag if he's still at an All Pro level. Then he can go off to the "promised land" in Dallas or wherever.

    Bring in Reid just for a conversation, or maybe more than that, to stir the pot.


    No guarantee he won't miss games even for the game checks, but more likely that he doesn't play as hard. I know thats sad to think but thats how people are raised now days when they don't get what they want. No one is going to overpay for a mental midget at the end of his career.
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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:
    KillerB wrote:
    425HawkSpark wrote:I loved earl, but screw him. Let Sherman be his agent I liked his deal in SF. I say wait it out and franchise him next year.


    Correct answer. Under contract this year, and he almost certainly won't miss game checks. One year on the tag if he's still at an All Pro level. Then he can go off to the "promised land" in Dallas or wherever.

    Bring in Reid just for a conversation, or maybe more than that, to stir the pot.


    No guarantee he won't miss games even for the game checks, but more likely that he doesn't play as hard. I know thats sad to think but thats how people are raised now days when they don't get what they want. No one is going to overpay for a mental midget at the end of his career.

    Earl’s not going to dog it on the field, it’s not in his DNA.
    I don’t like the fact he won’t be at the start of training camp and hate hold outs but I understand why he is doing it.
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    The misapplied "you're rich so stop complaining" is frustrating tbh. The player are commodities compared to the owners. Their tens of millions (barely any players actually have this much BTW) pale in comparison to the money the owners and team executives have.

    Many of us sit here and get mad at the players for going after top dollar, meanwhile the organization will cut ties with any player in a heartbeat once he is no longe useful. Personally, I'll side with the player over the org nine times out of ten.

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  • NFSeahawks628 wrote:No guarantee he won't miss games even for the game checks, but more likely that he doesn't play as hard. I know thats sad to think but thats how people are raised now days when they don't get what they want. No one is going to overpay for a mental midget at the end of his career.


    Of course there are no guarantees. But as SH noted, Earl only knows one way to play. Once he arrives he'll be full blast.

    It's a business, and Earl is doing business things. The team should do the same by not offering anything beyond what they may already have, and franchising once after this season.
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  • If The Seahawks are smart they will freeze ET out and ignore him until he reports.

    They tried the whole negotiate tactic while a player is holding out with Kam, and it failed miserably. Paul Allen stepped in a week into the regular season, and stopped negotiations, a week later Kam reported.

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    Now with that out of the way. The Seahawks need to make an example of Earl to stop this repeated behavior, you cannot reward players who hold out, or you will get more players doing it in the future. Stay firm and move on with out him. I don't want it to be this way, but it is what it is. He is a 1 yr rental at this point, whenever he reports.
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  • WindCityHawk wrote:
    NFSeahawks628 wrote:
    mrt144 wrote:
    TreeRon wrote:I don't think Pete is a "liberal" but I get what you are saying. You don't like his touchy feely management style.

    As far as Thomas goes he's got Sherman advising him so what could go wrong. Sherman is the smartest guy in football. Sherman just wants to stick it to Seattle. He's like a scorned lover.

    Sherm's got nothing to lose by advising ET to hold out. I don't think he's even thinking about any negative impact for Thomas and if he did I doubt he cares.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk to the guys. Cmon.


    He had Jordan Peterson come talk which was the smartest move of all time, too bad it didnt sink enough for them to understand how to be responsible for their own choices and actions.

    Overall though for the last 5 years he's let the players dictate his politics. So maybe deep down inside he's more conservative-leaning but for his players sake he's been all about the SJW movement which to many has grown tiresome and pathetic, as it is.

    JP is a straight shooter so if you ain't buying that, you got some problems.


    Oh right, I remember why I stopped posting here. This board is full of cranky old men. Well, thankfully the world isn't yours anymore, lawl.


    No it is ours for another 20 years, you will deal with who we vote for, pay our social security and then our medical costs also. Just deal with it, we spent your inheritence becasue you wouldn't leave the house and wanted to freeload playing your video games in the basement, now your going to complain that we cost you to much to take care of. :)
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