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Re: Do you believe?
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:57 pm
  • Some of you guys need to take a real look at what the 2017 Seahawks accomplished. They had the LOWEST TOTAL RUSHING YARDS BY RUNNING BACKS IN A 16 GAME SEASON. That's right the Seahawks running back contributed NOTHING. The 2017 Seattle Seahawks played offense with 10 players every play and still won 9 games. Some of you need to realize how incredible it was that this team won 9 games. They will be better offensively next season.

    Tom Cable is the worst coach in organized football. The next few seasons we are all going to see that the Seahawks have been playing with one hand behind there back because that doofus sucked the life out of the team. I am willing to bet Tom Cable cost the team 3 or 4 wins every season.

    Brian Schottenheimer's offenses help defenses. Go back and look at the "talent" on those 2008-12 Jets teams, they were number one in total defense because Shotty's offense was averaging 170 yards rushing a game. The 2013 Seahawks averaged 136 yards rushing per game.

    Last season was disappointing, but the team is not devoid of talent.

    The Rams added locker room cancer and the league has a whole season of tape on Goff.

    The Cardinals have no QB and a new head coach.

    The 49ers are a complete unknown with a new QB.
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Re: Do you believe?
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:58 pm
  • So for you Pitt it’s a preemptive disparagement?

    The team sucks so much that 8-8 is their sad reality at best. Why even watch? Why even follow their tribulations? So says you, so we all have our heads up our rears if we think a bit less pessimistically than you? OK, but it seems to me I can still see the light. :rumble:

    Your negativity is tedious, what if some of back up younger players playing behind all these lost talents turn out to be as the team hoped, i.e.: actually good? They can’t all be second raters can they? Oh wait, that’s your glass half empty view isn’t it? The real talent has left the building and their replacements are no talent bums. The FO has failed and the team is mediocre, pedestrian, untalented, and could not stand up to the Uber talented Rams, 49ers, or the Cardinals.

    I doubt PC ot JS would agree with your viewpoií.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Do you believe?
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 pm
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
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    TwistedHusky wrote:If that team had Luck instead of Wilson you honestly think we wouldn't have won?

    We won because of a great defense and HOF quality RB. Not because of a rookie QB.

    He helped but so Luck would have done fine for us too.


    You don't know that for a fact...Wilson was able to scramble for a few hundred yards and bolster the run game, & that's just ONE of the differences that he brings to the game, PLUS, he's shown durability, and Luck?, not so much.
    It takes more than just having a good arm.
    Wilson has survived shitty Pass protection, + he was the Seahawks top rusher last season.

    RW had a Luck like season last year on a Luck like team, albeit still having a better than average defense (11th in yards, 13th in pts).

    Doesn't get you anywhere and if they were to keep playing hero ball, RW will end up just like him.

    There's literally no point in trying to make a point about how good he is while playing on a losing team with bad, desperate team philosophy. That's Colt fan-esque and that actually IS the point. It's self demise.


    Hero Ball, Schmero Ball...With a shit run game, Wilson was still keeping games within reach, now imagine what the W/L would have looked like had the Run game and Blair Walsh had just been a fraction better.
    Cable's Crap Coaching of the O-Line (limiting Bevell's Play Calls) produced a nonexistent Run Blocking/Pass Protection.
    The way I see it, the Offensive Line with Solari, is going to get better (can't possibly get any worse), and under Schottenheimer, Creativity, a better Run Game & a more opened playbook, WILL give Russell Wilson a huge advantage......
    I'm NOT putting Wilson on a pedestal, but one has to marvel at how much Crap that he's had to endure over the last 4+ seasons, and still be considered one of the Top Three Quarterbacks in the League, so, I am going to give him props for playing savvy Football, and "turning chicken shit into chicken salad".

    You and I aren't even talking about the same thing at this point. I'm talking about team football and you're talking about players because somehow RW fanatics take offense at ideology that makes RW more successful. Then again, I did reply to a "who's coming with me?" beleiver thread.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:45 am
  • sdog1981 wrote:Some of you guys need to take a real look at what the 2017 Seahawks accomplished. They had the LOWEST TOTAL RUSHING YARDS BY RUNNING BACKS IN A 16 GAME SEASON. That's right the Seahawks running back contributed NOTHING. The 2017 Seattle Seahawks played offense with 10 players every play and still won 9 games. Some of you need to realize how incredible it was that this team won 9 games. They will be better offensively next season.

    Tom Cable is the worst coach in organized football. The next few seasons we are all going to see that the Seahawks have been playing with one hand behind there back because that doofus sucked the life out of the team. I am willing to bet Tom Cable cost the team 3 or 4 wins every season.

    Brian Schottenheimer's offenses help defenses. Go back and look at the "talent" on those 2008-12 Jets teams, they were number one in total defense because Shotty's offense was averaging 170 yards rushing a game. The 2013 Seahawks averaged 136 yards rushing per game.



    Awesome post SDog!

    Every time (well almost everytime) Fat Eddy Lacy was on the field or a running play was called it either cost yards, resulted in a penalty, or went for zip. The other RBs weren’t very special either. D’s started to ignore Play Action too putting more pressure on RW who was forced to carry the O, with a non-existent running game and while under constant immediate pressure. Wilson with a porous OLine was discussed as the MVP for a time. The only bright spark in the running game all year was Carson early and he got hurt, Cable’s schemes here didn’t help the RBs much or protect them. He will get Lynch hurt again in Oakland this year too, just watch. Gruden will tolerate him for a season and then Cable will get canned there again. The changes on O with Schotty will shock a few who expect little.

    Disagree with some of your comments about SF and AZ, yet doubt the hype about the Digits, and the Cardinals new coach and ex-1st round bust QB will struggle as normal for that QB. Without much encouraging the Rams may turn into the Chip Kelly Eagles Super Team, too many egos all at work against each other, that is a team not built to last. Many parts of it won’t be able to fit under the cap when Goff gets paid. Meanwhile a few experts will wake up from sleeping on Seattle and what they thought was a pedestrian team.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:39 am
  • sdog1981 wrote:Tom Cable is the worst coach in organized football. The next few seasons we are all going to see that the Seahawks have been playing with one hand behind there back because that doofus sucked the life out of the team. I am willing to bet Tom Cable cost the team 3 or 4 wins every season.



    All you have to do is look at what the offensive linemen have been saying in interviews so far, because it's by nature a comparison with last year. They've been saying that the new scheme is going to play to their physicality (and a lot of these guys are big strong maulers). But that means nothing without consistency and technique. The second thing that they've been saying is that they have to repeat technique over and over and over until they get it right. By comparison, they're implying that Cable's scheme did not play to their physical strengths, nor where they even well-coached in it.

    The Seahawk offensive line is practically a league "meme" at this point. So when they inevitably improve this year (and I believe it'll be substantially), it will be the ultimate indictment of Cable. Particularly when a highly thought of Raiders line (even if it didn't perform as well last year) absolutely tanks. I still don't think Cable has received his share of league wide criticism yet with most of the blame being levied at talent. I mean he did almost instantly find a new job, and analysts on NFL Radio call him a good coach.

    Another thing is that our line was so bad last year, it's easy to lose sight of how mediocre most lines actually are around the league. Watch replays and you'll see usually see at least one guy getting blown up, or a rapidly collapsing pocket. Listen to NFL Radio, and almost every team has callers worried about their offensive line.

    Since we already have a "top-3" franchise QB, this team is a complete sleeper right now.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:07 am
  • I am actually excited for all the change no matter what the result because there are going to be some growing pains.

    1. We have all new philosophy on oc ol and DC coaching staff. Imo we got rid of 2 major issues in Cable and still unemployed Bevell.

    2. We are rid of a major distraction and idiot in Bennett. Also players that undermined the head coach...Sherman Kam Avril and a few others are also gone which means a major influx of some young guys on defense. We held onto the old core too long and it cost us. I personally think Earl has to go. It's time to rebuild and not cling to the past on a guy that doesn't want to be here. I would like to see the defense have a complete fresh start with Wagner as the obvious leader. I do think most of the issues we will see this year will be in the secondary but again it's part of growing. Let the young guys play. Frank Clark needs to step up this year.

    3. The o line imo looks slightly improved and I am hoping a new coach finally gets us out of hearing how bad it is. Wilson has miraculously escaped major injury over the years but that won't last with a bad o line.

    4. The running game I am very excited about with the tandem of Carson and Penny. If these guys get going opposing team defenses are going to have to respect it again which opens up more play action and options downfield for Wilson. Last year it sucked bad.

    5. Our wr crew imo will be okay as well even without prich. Lockett is going to be better and I think Brown could be this years Bobby engram.
    On TE wr mo longer have to worry about forcing Jimmy G to get in the game. I'm hoping Dickson is more of a Zach Miller as opposed to a Jimmy. This also Vannetts year to shit or get off the pot. ABD will still be angry. I'm not convinced Marshall makes the team but if so a big body presence will help.

    6. We dont have Blair Walsh...nuff said. I just hope Seabass has one good non injury plagued year left. There will be other kickers out there.

    As for a prediction it's tough to say this time of year. I usually like to see the first 3 games of the pre season. This year at this time I really can't pick any one team that's a sure deal. The Rams imo will win the division no doubt imo. I think we compete with the niners for 2nd. I would have to say 9 and 7 at this point if the team stays healthy. Major changes all around this year will have some good and bad. On the low end I say 7 and 9 if the o line sucks and the young d struggle.

    One thing I really want to see this year is this teams ability to play 4 quarters. I am tired of this showing up in the 2nd half bullshit. Sorry but the defense isn't going to be able to hold teams to 7pts anymore. The offence has to step up bigtime. I am cautiously optimistic but overall I just wanna see the team compete harder than they did last year without all the bs distractions that divided the locker room.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:17 am
  • Jac wrote:The Seahawk offensive line is practically a league "meme" at this point. So when they inevitably improve this year (and I believe it'll be substantially), it will be the ultimate indictment of Cable. Particularly when a highly thought of Raiders line (even if it didn't perform as well last year) absolutely tanks. I still don't think Cable has received his share of league wide criticism yet with most of the blame being levied at talent. I mean he did almost instantly find a new job, and analysts on NFL Radio call him a good coach.


    That's the kicker for me. For some unknown reason Tom Cable is still HIGHLY respected as some sort of OL guru by national media and football minds. Despite the overwhelming evidence of the contrary in his time spent with us. His apologists will no doubt say "Well look at what he had to work with...Converting lineman from completely different positions." But even if he wasn't given the best base players to work with, a GURU would whip them into shape and make them at least middle-of-the-pack, which he could never do.

    Cable has got to be the most overrated coach in the NFL (by the national mediots, not us fans).
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:03 am
  • jammerhawk wrote:So for you Pitt it’s a preemptive disparagement?

    The team sucks so much that 8-8 is their sad reality at best. Why even watch? Why even follow their tribulations? So says you, so we all have our heads up our rears if we think a bit less pessimistically than you? OK, but it seems to me I can still see the light. :rumble:

    Your negativity is tedious, what if some of back up younger players playing behind all these lost talents turn out to be as the team hoped, i.e.: actually good? They can’t all be second raters can they? Oh wait, that’s your glass half empty view isn’t it? The real talent has left the building and their replacements are no talent bums. The FO has failed and the team is mediocre, pedestrian, untalented, and could not stand up to the Uber talented Rams, 49ers, or the Cardinals.

    I doubt PC ot JS would agree with your viewpoií.


    Lol, whats so wrong with expecting a .500 record for a team thats rebuilding? What should somebodys expectations be? Why would a fan not watch his team when so many areas are going to unfold? I'm super interested to see what happens and how it happens this year even though i'm not super pumped about our final outcome. This season is a building year. Next season is when we should be expecting real results. Also, its silly thinking that the players we signed this season are equal to the talent of the guys let go. For the life of me, I dont know why some are so determined in convincing themselves otherwise. The team had no money and signed who they could. They had an alright draft to go along with that, so yeah, theres going to be some mediocre, pedestrian players out there this season. Should be expected, but some cant accept it for one reason or another. When the team does finish around the .500 mark like I predicted, all the people who are clamoring that the team is awesome right now and will compete will just say that it was a rebuilding year and thats ok, while thats all i'm saying right now.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:36 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
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    pittpnthrs wrote:I've said 8-8 for awhile now. I just cant see the team reaching the heights of a division title or even a wild card when the talent we gave up was replaced with lesser, cheaper players. So many question marks. Will the Oline be worth a darn, will we be able to run the ball at an average rate, will the defense be decent, will our kicker be with us for the season and can he still kick, can the new coaches push us forward, etc,,,. All of this and we play in the same division as the loaded Rams. I also still think Pete bails after the 2019 season when his contract is up. This season,,,I do not believe.

    You give no value to changes in our kicking game, punting game, running game, OL coach change, OC coach change, draft, or the launching of 2 of our loudest, highly paid detractors.
    Some folks can only see the negative angle. It is their agenda.


    And you just listed a bunch of question marks that i'm concerned with. How many of those areas are going to work out and how many wont? I promise you not all of them will. Also, as i've said before, sure we got rid of 2 loud, drama queens, but we didnt clear the slate. Theres still players here that will cause plenty of drama and issues. Heck, Earls already doing it. I guarantee Kam is going to run his mouth about something this year too and he's not even going to play. All that being said, we may have replaced those couple of detractors with other bodies, but we didnt replace their talent. See how that works? Regardless of all that, why dont you offer up your own opinion instead of crapping on somebody elses? I'm sure we'll be enlightened.

    I thought I gave an opinion. You say out of our new K game, P game, run game, OL coach change, OC change, or draft some of these won't work out. Which department won't benefit from the newbies?
    My opinion is each of those mentioned will add to this team.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:47 am
  • I don't have much hope that we'll pressure the Rams for the division, unless they absolutely get their asses kicked by injury, but I think there's enough here to seriously contend for a wildcard.

    Even if we're "rebuilding", it is difficult for me to see a Russell Wilson-led team finishing with just 4-6 wins. Defense could take a small step back into the league's Tier 2, I wish we had more weapons in the passing game, and the OL is an ultimate wildcard. Running game should be much improved though, and there is still a fair amount of talent on D. Special teams should be considerably better. Players are saying the right things right now, but they do that every offseason. I rarely allow myself to get carried away with that stuff.

    I don't know if that's "believing". This looks like a 9-7 team to me, but I would hardly be shocked if we do one or two wins better than that. I'm excited to watch, even if I don't think the season ends with a Lombardi Trophy.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:49 am
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    You don't know that for a fact...Wilson was able to scramble for a few hundred yards and bolster the run game, & that's just ONE of the differences that he brings to the game, PLUS, he's shown durability, and Luck?, not so much.
    It takes more than just having a good arm.
    Wilson has survived shitty Pass protection, + he was the Seahawks top rusher last season.

    RW had a Luck like season last year on a Luck like team, albeit still having a better than average defense (11th in yards, 13th in pts).

    Doesn't get you anywhere and if they were to keep playing hero ball, RW will end up just like him.

    There's literally no point in trying to make a point about how good he is while playing on a losing team with bad, desperate team philosophy. That's Colt fan-esque and that actually IS the point. It's self demise.


    Hero Ball, Schmero Ball...With a shit run game, Wilson was still keeping games within reach, now imagine what the W/L would have looked like had the Run game and Blair Walsh had just been a fraction better.
    Cable's Crap Coaching of the O-Line (limiting Bevell's Play Calls) produced a nonexistent Run Blocking/Pass Protection.
    The way I see it, the Offensive Line with Solari, is going to get better (can't possibly get any worse), and under Schottenheimer, Creativity, a better Run Game & a more opened playbook, WILL give Russell Wilson a huge advantage......
    I'm NOT putting Wilson on a pedestal, but one has to marvel at how much Crap that he's had to endure over the last 4+ seasons, and still be considered one of the Top Three Quarterbacks in the League, so, I am going to give him props for playing savvy Football, and "turning chicken shit into chicken salad".

    You and I aren't even talking about the same thing at this point. I'm talking about team football and you're talking about players because somehow RW fanatics take offense at ideology that makes RW more successful. Then again, I did reply to a "who's coming with me?" beleiver thread.
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    You are not very good at condescension...We ARE indeed talking about the same thing...BETTER O-Line COACHING, BETTER Supporting cast Etc.
    I don't believe that there's going to be a sharp drop-off in Defensive talent, like many in here are expounding.
    I'm first and foremost a TEAM SEAHAWKS fan, but I'm not going to deny that I'm a big Russell Wilson fan...He's earned every single accolade he's getting from his fans.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:55 am
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:So for you Pitt it’s a preemptive disparagement?

    The team sucks so much that 8-8 is their sad reality at best. Why even watch? Why even follow their tribulations? So says you, so we all have our heads up our rears if we think a bit less pessimistically than you? OK, but it seems to me I can still see the light. :rumble:

    Your negativity is tedious, what if some of back up younger players playing behind all these lost talents turn out to be as the team hoped, i.e.: actually good? They can’t all be second raters can they? Oh wait, that’s your glass half empty view isn’t it? The real talent has left the building and their replacements are no talent bums. The FO has failed and the team is mediocre, pedestrian, untalented, and could not stand up to the Uber talented Rams, 49ers, or the Cardinals.

    I doubt PC ot JS would agree with your viewpoií.


    Lol, whats so wrong with expecting a .500 record for a team thats rebuilding? What should somebodys expectations be? Why would a fan not watch his team when so many areas are going to unfold? I'm super interested to see what happens and how it happens this year even though i'm not super pumped about our final outcome. This season is a building year. Next season is when we should be expecting real results. Also, its silly thinking that the players we signed this season are equal to the talent of the guys let go. For the life of me, I dont know why some are so determined in convincing themselves otherwise. The team had no money and signed who they could. They had an alright draft to go along with that, so yeah, theres going to be some mediocre, pedestrian players out there this season. Should be expected, but some cant accept it for one reason or another. When the team does finish around the .500 mark like I predicted, all the people who are clamoring that the team is awesome right now and will compete will just say that it was a rebuilding year and thats ok, while thats all i'm saying right now.

    There is nothing wrong with predicting a .500 record for this year. I seem to notice that for the most part, you present a negative slant that stands out.
    If someone wishes to, they could easily find many mistakes we made in our SB blowout over Denver.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:14 am
  • LudwigsDrummer wrote:If someone wishes to, they could easily find many mistakes we made in our SB blowout over Denver.


    Indeed! After all, we allowed them to score 8 points! :stirthepot:
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:21 am
  • I believe the Seahawks need to play the young guys to give them experience and develop them.

    This years "core" players are in my opinion: Wilson, Britt, Brown, Lockett, Reed, Clark, Wagner, Wright, Shaquill, and Coleman.

    I'm not including Earl because he is holding out and we don't know when he'll return or not and rookies.

    IMO you have to go .500 or less when you are developing new players before they hit their "stride" and build chemistry and start winning a lot of games.

    Why is not expecting the Seahawks to go 12-4 or even 10-6 a bad thing?

    It's inevitable if your "rebuilding" and building a "new" core for the future, you will go through growing pains and lose games.

    My prediction is 8-8, but I don't think being 8-8 is such a "negative" thing to say.

    But that's just me.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:33 pm
  • Luck would have checked out early on our team just like he does to his own team every year. So really the comparison is mute. Rw will win us at least 9 games....all by himself.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:42 pm
  • The record may not reflect it but I believe the 2018 Seahawks will be a better team overall than 2017 Seahawks. The simple fact is they got rid of 3 in over their heads coaches - Cable, Bevell, and Richard. Richard is a superb DB coach but not a good DC. That's improvement by attrition.

    While Walsh is a terrible kicker, looking back it was the best thing that happened. Had he made those FGs, the Seahawks would have likely won couple of more games and made the playoffs. That would have been nice but Cable, Bevell, and Richard would still be on the Seahawk payroll in their same positions. That wouldn't have been good.

    I do believe.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:26 pm
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    scutterhawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:RW had a Luck like season last year on a Luck like team, albeit still having a better than average defense (11th in yards, 13th in pts).

    Doesn't get you anywhere and if they were to keep playing hero ball, RW will end up just like him.

    There's literally no point in trying to make a point about how good he is while playing on a losing team with bad, desperate team philosophy. That's Colt fan-esque and that actually IS the point. It's self demise.


    Hero Ball, Schmero Ball...With a shit run game, Wilson was still keeping games within reach, now imagine what the W/L would have looked like had the Run game and Blair Walsh had just been a fraction better.
    Cable's Crap Coaching of the O-Line (limiting Bevell's Play Calls) produced a nonexistent Run Blocking/Pass Protection.
    The way I see it, the Offensive Line with Solari, is going to get better (can't possibly get any worse), and under Schottenheimer, Creativity, a better Run Game & a more opened playbook, WILL give Russell Wilson a huge advantage......
    I'm NOT putting Wilson on a pedestal, but one has to marvel at how much Crap that he's had to endure over the last 4+ seasons, and still be considered one of the Top Three Quarterbacks in the League, so, I am going to give him props for playing savvy Football, and "turning chicken shit into chicken salad".

    You and I aren't even talking about the same thing at this point. I'm talking about team football and you're talking about players because somehow RW fanatics take offense at ideology that makes RW more successful. Then again, I did reply to a "who's coming with me?" beleiver thread.
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    You are not very good at condescension...We ARE indeed talking about the same thing...BETTER O-Line COACHING, BETTER Supporting cast Etc.
    I don't believe that there's going to be a sharp drop-off in Defensive talent, like many in here are expounding.
    I'm first and foremost a TEAM SEAHAWKS fan, but I'm not going to deny that I'm a big Russell Wilson fan...He's earned every single accolade he's getting from his fans.

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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:28 pm
  • Atradees wrote:Luck would have checked out early on our team just like he does to his own team every year. So really the comparison is mute. Rw will win us at least 9 games....all by himself.

    It's got nothing to do with Luck.
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Re: Do you believe?
Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:24 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:
    You are not very good at condescension...We ARE indeed talking about the same thing...BETTER O-Line COACHING, BETTER Supporting cast Etc.
    I don't believe that there's going to be a sharp drop-off in Defensive talent, like many in here are expounding.
    I'm first and foremost a TEAM SEAHAWKS fan, but I'm not going to deny that I'm a big Russell Wilson fan...He's earned every single accolade he's getting from his fans.

    No.[/quote]
    "NO" what, A. - you don't understand?, B.- "NO" you're being disagreeable?, C.- "NO" you don't believe that the team devoid of Cable,& Bevell with new coaching in their stead, is going to be > BETTER OFF THAN LAST SEASON< D. - "NO" you don't believe that RW deserves the "Accolades", OR, E. -> ALL THE ABOVE?
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  • LudwigsDrummer wrote:I thought I gave an opinion. You say out of our new K game, P game, run game, OL coach change, OC change, or draft some of these won't work out. Which department won't benefit from the newbies?
    My opinion is each of those mentioned will add to this team.


    I kind of figured this reading your posts. Believing every area of the team is somewhat improved isnt being realistic. The kicking game? Who knows. Its even money that Janakowski doesnt even make the entire season and who knows how effective he'll be even if he does. I know we had to move on from Walsh, but I thought he was a terrible signing. The guys a fossil and had serious issues the past couple of seasons. P game? Kid looks awesome but he's a rookie. We'll see. OL? Elated Cable is gone and expect improvement here. Saying that, I still expect them to be bad. I dont think theres much talent there for Solari to work with. Offense? Nothing makes me happier than Bevell being canned, but its hard to say if Schottenheimer is going to be much of an upgrade. I know the team is bound and determined to run the ball this season and I hope we can with how much we invested to do so. Cant be worse than last season, but as to how good it will actually be is up in the air. Carson and Penny havent done anything in the NFL yet. Unproven and huge question marks. And then theres that Oline again. On defense, i'm still concerned and wondering where our pass rush is going to come from. I think we're going to struggle in that area and I believe the less talented secondary will suffer for it. Its important that Earl plays for this very reason.

    This team is a huge unknown right now. I'm excited and interested to see how it all plays out, but this is the first time in a long time that I dont have any expectations. I'm actually somewhat relieved that I dont. I'm going to enjoy the season. If we overachieve and somehow compete for a wildcard this year,,,,,great. If we end up sucking,,,,who cares. Its just the beginning of the process. Next season though,,,,,,,
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Re: Do you believe?
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:06 am
  • Rat wrote:I don't have much hope that we'll pressure the Rams for the division, unless they absolutely get their asses kicked by injury, but I think there's enough here to seriously contend for a wildcard.

    Even if we're "rebuilding", it is difficult for me to see a Russell Wilson-led team finishing with just 4-6 wins. Defense could take a small step back into the league's Tier 2, I wish we had more weapons in the passing game, and the OL is an ultimate wildcard. Running game should be much improved though, and there is still a fair amount of talent on D. Special teams should be considerably better. Players are saying the right things right now, but they do that every offseason. I rarely allow myself to get carried away with that stuff.

    I don't know if that's "believing". This looks like a 9-7 team to me, but I would hardly be shocked if we do one or two wins better than that. I'm excited to watch, even if I don't think the season ends with a Lombardi Trophy.


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Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:24 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:The thought that RW makes us a SB contender might as well make you an Indianapolis Colt. That's what they believe as an organization and as a fan base and they ran Luck into the dirt. In fact, RW was not unlike Luck last year. What you're asking for will be RW's undoing.

    Second thing is that the commitment to a strong and even dominant run game....absolutely constitutes building around RW. Getting back to team football rather than the hero ball we've been playing will net more consistent productivity on offense.

    :ditto:
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:29 pm
  • Atradees wrote:Luck cannot be compared to the Superbowl winning Wilson. Luck may never even get to the Big Show. Wilson will go back to it again.


    You know they did beat us head up that year, rewatch that game. We were the best team in the league that year and luck owned us that game. I’m not a luck guy either
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Re: Do you believe?
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:42 pm
  • scutterhawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:
    You are not very good at condescension...We ARE indeed talking about the same thing...BETTER O-Line COACHING, BETTER Supporting cast Etc.
    I don't believe that there's going to be a sharp drop-off in Defensive talent, like many in here are expounding.
    I'm first and foremost a TEAM SEAHAWKS fan, but I'm not going to deny that I'm a big Russell Wilson fan...He's earned every single accolade he's getting from his fans.

    No.

    "NO" what, A. - you don't understand?, B.- "NO" you're being disagreeable?, C.- "NO" you don't believe that the team devoid of Cable,& Bevell with new coaching in their stead, is going to be > BETTER OFF THAN LAST SEASON< D. - "NO" you don't believe that RW deserves the "Accolades", OR, E. -> ALL THE ABOVE?[/quote]

    None of the above. You're out of your element, Donny.
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:44 pm
  • hawksincebirth wrote:
    Atradees wrote:Luck cannot be compared to the Superbowl winning Wilson. Luck may never even get to the Big Show. Wilson will go back to it again.


    You know they did beat us head up that year, rewatch that game. We were the best team in the league that year and luck owned us that game. I’m not a luck guy either


    Ehhh. Still think we should have won that game. Lot of fluke crap went down that day.

    Can't win them all though and stuff happens during the season.
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Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:30 pm
  • One benefit to embracing uncertainty is it frees you from truncating your opinions so they fit neatly into either optimistic or pessimistic buckets. It's weird to see two sides form on a topic where there are nearly infinite possibilities.

    Past results do not predict future performance very well in the NFL and in my view it's entirely plausible that we could finish anywhere from 5-11 to 12-4 depending on player growth and injuries. The league is exciting because we don't know how individual games are going to go and it's silly to pencil in either wins or losses the week leading up to the game, let alone many months ahead of time before training camp even begins.

    It's consistent to think the 2018 Hawks have an expected win total around 8 but also a good shot at a playoffs run if things turn out in their favor.
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Re: Do you believe?
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:28 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:
    LudwigsDrummer wrote:I thought I gave an opinion. You say out of our new K game, P game, run game, OL coach change, OC change, or draft some of these won't work out. Which department won't benefit from the newbies?
    My opinion is each of those mentioned will add to this team.


    I kind of figured this reading your posts. Believing every area of the team is somewhat improved isnt being realistic. The kicking game? Who knows. Its even money that Janakowski doesnt even make the entire season and who knows how effective he'll be even if he does. I know we had to move on from Walsh, but I thought he was a terrible signing. The guys a fossil and had serious issues the past couple of seasons. P game? Kid looks awesome but he's a rookie. We'll see. OL? Elated Cable is gone and expect improvement here. Saying that, I still expect them to be bad. I dont think theres much talent there for Solari to work with. Offense? Nothing makes me happier than Bevell being canned, but its hard to say if Schottenheimer is going to be much of an upgrade. I know the team is bound and determined to run the ball this season and I hope we can with how much we invested to do so. Cant be worse than last season, but as to how good it will actually be is up in the air. Carson and Penny havent done anything in the NFL yet. Unproven and huge question marks. And then theres that Oline again. On defense, i'm still concerned and wondering where our pass rush is going to come from. I think we're going to struggle in that area and I believe the less talented secondary will suffer for it. Its important that Earl plays for this very reason.

    This team is a huge unknown right now. I'm excited and interested to see how it all plays out, but this is the first time in a long time that I dont have any expectations. I'm actually somewhat relieved that I dont. I'm going to enjoy the season. If we overachieve and somehow compete for a wildcard this year,,,,,great. If we end up sucking,,,,who cares. Its just the beginning of the process. Next season though,,,,,,,

    Good post!
    I completely agree this year we are a team of unknowns, with many larger than life players no longer on the team.
    IDK if Jan is going to K for us, but like you I don't think our K game will be worse. So, I predict we will be a little better in that department.
    The new P will be an upgrade over Ryan, who many of us adored including me. I think he will WOW us. Upgrade.
    OL...slight improvement at the minimum...Solari>Cable. Slight upgrade 1st year...hoping.
    Shotty...slight improvement over Bev. If we can run, the team will appear instantly better than last year and Shotty will look good to the fans until they get bored with running.
    DL is a downgrade. We dropped off a bit. It will take a year or 2 to replenish.
    LB, I say better. I think when we run a 4-3, Shaqueem>Wilhoite. I have nothing but faith in that call as a 5th round LB usually doesn't replace a marginal vet...but it's 50/50 that happen, IMO.
    DB's, I'm not worried about Maxi and Shaq, sale with Coleman as the nickel. ET will play, whoever plays SS needs to earn that spot.
    I'm here to tell you Carson and Penny together will definitely upgrade our run game. How can we not improve from last year's results?
    For me, I will maintain a positive vibe towards these additions until they prove to me otherwise. So, I'm good with giving them a shot.
    I'm saying we are improving. It will take a couple of years, but I have faith in our FO. I think they learned some stuff this year.
    Team chemistry has improved! Hard to quantify that but it has merit.
    In short summary, I see positive things evolving with our team. I own rose colored glasses but if pressed, I'd predict a 9-7 season.
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Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:49 am
  • The draft was obviously built around the running game that PC wanted to fix. Granted, the defense may give up a few more points per game, however, with an improved running game, perhaps they score a bunch more points per game while also having a more rested defense due to ball control and clock stretching plays. IMO-The kicking game will be improved both in place kicking and especially punting. The return game, IMO, with Penny & Lockett, et. al. will be at or near the best in the league. Or, so I believe. (+ over -)

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  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:The draft was obviously built around the running game that PC wanted to fix. Granted, the defense may give up a few more points per game, however, with an improved running game, perhaps they score a bunch more points per game while also having a more rested defense due to ball control and clock stretching plays. IMO-The kicking game will be improved both in place kicking and especially punting. The return game, IMO, with Penny & Lockett, et. al. will be at or near the best in the league. Or, so I believe. (+ over -)

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