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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:21 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:
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    hawkcrazzed wrote:Chris Peterson and there is a list off inventive coaches. But hey lets just keep rolling this crappy team out cause who else can do it.


    Jesus stop with Peterson. He is not going to leave the college game.


    Yeah, Paul Allen probably couldn't afford him.


    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:22 am
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    6 years ago we had the talent to do it. Now we don't, but that doesn't deter Pete from sticking with the same old plan although its not working. That's the problem. If something isn't working, you try something else. Pete refuses to do that.


    He brought the talent to the system though.

    Fine if you dont think he can do it again. But he didnt inherit the team fans remember so fondly

    Most coaches are pretty inflexible. Just depends on patience and trust at this point


    Yes, he brought in the talent. Who has he brought in who has been an elite player since the 2012 draft?

    1. Frank Clark (elite flashes but inconsistent)
    2. BMac (elite so far this year)
    3. Coleman (top slot corner)

    Who do we have left who is an elite player?

    1. Russell Wilson
    2. Bobby Wagner
    3. KJ Wright (missed a quarter of the season already)
    4. Doug Baldwin (also hurt)

    Does PCJS track record from 2015 to now inspire confidence? With the four draft picks (1, 3, 4, 5) that we have in 2019? We aren't getting anything for Earl now. So we trade down and maybe get another third. Depends on how high we pick this year, to be honest. But that means we likely miss out on the top tier DL talent at the top of the first.

    Talent is going to be hard to find. It's time to evolve the offensive philosophy and the scheme.


    So just as we start being able to run the ball and control the clock, abandon it to a pass happy team that can't pass block with defenders having their ears back and teeing off every snap and expect good results?

    Sounds like a winner to me.

    "Evolving the offensive scheme" doesn't necessarily mean becoming a pass heavy team. Our team is running some really simple route concepts. We're talking techmo bowl simple in some cases. We go many games without utilizing the whole route tree. Our offensive playcalling is also horribly inept at situational football. Calling four go routes on third and short is like throwing your whole paycheck on black on the roulette wheel. Most of the time you're going to lose, and maybe once in a blue moon you'll have a huge payday. The odds will always be against you.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:46 am
  • hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
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    Jesus stop with Peterson. He is not going to leave the college game.


    Yeah, Paul Allen probably couldn't afford him.


    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

    Source ?


    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:47 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:
    hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
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    Yeah, Paul Allen probably couldn't afford him.


    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

    Source ?


    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao

    I’m talking Peterson , you said several times he WOULD NEVER MAKE THE JUMP
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:23 am
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    hawknation2018 wrote:Dumb

    It’s a transition year after losing a lot of talent due to injury and contract.

    People keep saying "transitional year", but what I saw out there was bad coaching, and a team that looked unprepared, and incompetent. Pete Carroll tried his hardest to lose the game with the way he called it. This has become a trend over the last few seasons.


    What you have is an almost entirely new coaching staff and team trying to figure out how to gel. Patience.


    And yet the same offensive issues plaguing us since the end of 2015 persist. How long are you willing to give Pete to get this offense rolling?


    If Wilson could convert a 3rd down that would help more than firing Pete.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:08 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
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    Spin Doctor wrote:People keep saying "transitional year", but what I saw out there was bad coaching, and a team that looked unprepared, and incompetent. Pete Carroll tried his hardest to lose the game with the way he called it. This has become a trend over the last few seasons.


    What you have is an almost entirely new coaching staff and team trying to figure out how to gel. Patience.


    And yet the same offensive issues plaguing us since the end of 2015 persist. How long are you willing to give Pete to get this offense rolling?


    If Wilson could convert a 3rd down that would help more than firing Pete.


    Honest assessment of this game's offense, there was a SOLID game plan midweek. It was disrupted by the last minute Inactive status of Chris Carson, which moved the 3rd down back into the workhorse position. Not a big deal right? We've got will Dissly to be that big 3rd down tight end and we'll rely on him while pounding the rock with Davis and Penny. Then Dissly goes down (after only 1 3rd down attempt all game up until that point) and Seattle still manages to score. Now what's the answer? Adapt, improvise, overcome and win. Which is exactly what happened.

    It's been said many times that Petes teams play to the level of their opponent. Which I find to be fairly accurate. As such, I expect a well planned and executed HOME game after struggling on some away games and winning the only division game thus far. Here's hoping Tedric Thompson can bring his "A" game, HIS play will likely be the biggest question mark this weekend if we can't keep the pressure on Goff.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:57 am
  • We have both bad coaching and poor talent. It will be on display next week when we get beat by 30.

    The longer we hold onto the past the longer we will suffer. Hope the front office figures this out quick and cuts bait with Pete. Others have shown turn around can be quick in the NFL and others have shown coaching REALLY matters. We can't continue with the offense the way its going yet Pete won't allow for anything remotely creative. Im generally an optimist when it comes to the Hawks but this is obvious.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:04 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Dumb

    It’s a transition year after losing a lot of talent due to injury and contract.


    Its not dumb. Look at what McVay did for the Rams vs Fisher. In the NFL you can win with talent...but scheme is just as important. We currently have neither. Yes we are 2-2 but this team isn't making the playoffs. I saw the same thing in this forum during Holmgren's final years. People are holding onto the past....I get it....FANatics. If you objectively look at things its obvious Pete is holding us back offensively due to philosophy. Since that won't change he needs to go.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:47 am
  • hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

    Source ?


    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao

    I’m talking Peterson , you said several times he WOULD NEVER MAKE THE JUMP


    People in Boise believed Petersen would never leave BSU either. (He'd turned down P5 offers before UW)
    Me, I think Petersen would make a fine NFL HC and unless another McVay comes along he'd be my choice.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:29 am
  • In a perfect scenario, Pete would relinquish all of his control over the offense...that I understand and wholeheartedly support.

    But firing Pete? We are going through a nearly total rebuild of the defense, and yet its still a pretty darned good defense. That isn't by accident...it's Coach Pete Carroll.

    If we fire Pete, how do you all propose we manage this defense going forward? Under a "Pete Carroll has been fired" scenario, maybe we gain a little on offense, but the entire defensive philosophy and Pete's coaching abilities need to be replaced as well.

    Firing Pete would truly end this run for a while. We've been in literally every single game except ONE with this man at the helm.

    Release the hold on the offense, absolutely. Please don't fire Pete.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:59 am
  • Here is why you fire Pete: THERE IS NO FUTURE WITH PETE CARROLL FOR THIS FRANCHISE

    Pete is here, at most, another 3 years. Even if you assume he can somehow fix this offense (he cannot), or somehow make a dominating defense (our DL is 32nd ranked right now) - there is not enough time for him to build anything that matters. So what then?

    Hand off to one of his coaching staff? The best HC seed from his coaching tree that is not already a HC is now the sometimes DC in Dallas.

    There literally is no upside in keeping him. None. Your best scenario has him putting in a 10 win season after an easy schedule and then getting decimated in the playoffs after winning a wildcard game. And that scenario will not happen this year. Maybe in one or two years, and then he is gone anyway. Is that one bit of upside worth leaving the team with holes all over the place, no HC, and potentially in cap hell?

    The reality of getting rid of Pete is that you have to.

    We have a giant decision to make on Wilson, and with Pete - Wilson is not a QB you can ride to the playoffs. He is not a QB you can focus your offense on and expect it to produce enough to make up for the holes you create in paying out that giant contract. BUT....with another coach, he might be.

    It is better to find out now, before that decision, than make the investment and find out that Wilson isn't better with the other HC. And having a QB like Wilson gets you a better chance at getting a good HC option because of the chance to work with a great QB.

    It doesn't matter if Pete can be 'better' or 'we need him for the defense'. Pete is gone, now or later. If we fail to fire him, we will find this out in 3 years. We will find out too late to find out if Wilson can be better under someone else. And we will have to make a 30M commitment to a player we don't know can succeed here as the lead horse.

    Pete has been the reason for this team's success but as of now, he brings nothing to the table. He has to go because the only thing he is doing is wasting time you need to evaluate whether this team can be a winner with offense instead of defense.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:20 am
  • hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    bevellisthedevil wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    Jesus stop with Peterson. He is not going to leave the college game.


    Yeah, Paul Allen probably couldn't afford him.


    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

    Source ?


    Source = OKG

    Look into what Peterson wants in OKG's and it stands to reason the chances of bringing that to the NFL are slim to none.

    “We’re not into those guys we just like on Saturdays,” Petersen said. “We need to like them Sunday-Friday as well, that they’re doing all the things right in the classroom and off the field, that they’re growing and becoming a better person, preparing themselves for the rest of their lives.”
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:52 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Here is why you fire Pete: THERE IS NO FUTURE WITH PETE CARROLL FOR THIS FRANCHISE

    Pete is here, at most, another 3 years. Even if you assume he can somehow fix this offense (he cannot), or somehow make a dominating defense (our DL is 32nd ranked right now) - there is not enough time for him to build anything that matters. So what then?

    Hand off to one of his coaching staff? The best HC seed from his coaching tree that is not already a HC is now the sometimes DC in Dallas.

    There literally is no upside in keeping him. None. Your best scenario has him putting in a 10 win season after an easy schedule and then getting decimated in the playoffs after winning a wildcard game. And that scenario will not happen this year. Maybe in one or two years, and then he is gone anyway. Is that one bit of upside worth leaving the team with holes all over the place, no HC, and potentially in cap hell?

    The reality of getting rid of Pete is that you have to.

    We have a giant decision to make on Wilson, and with Pete - Wilson is not a QB you can ride to the playoffs. He is not a QB you can focus your offense on and expect it to produce enough to make up for the holes you create in paying out that giant contract. BUT....with another coach, he might be.

    It is better to find out now, before that decision, than make the investment and find out that Wilson isn't better with the other HC. And having a QB like Wilson gets you a better chance at getting a good HC option because of the chance to work with a great QB.

    It doesn't matter if Pete can be 'better' or 'we need him for the defense'. Pete is gone, now or later. If we fail to fire him, we will find this out in 3 years. We will find out too late to find out if Wilson can be better under someone else. And we will have to make a 30M commitment to a player we don't know can succeed here as the lead horse.

    Pete has been the reason for this team's success but as of now, he brings nothing to the table. He has to go because the only thing he is doing is wasting time you need to evaluate whether this team can be a winner with offense instead of defense.



    Man you'd think we were strapped with Tom Flores and Dan McGuire. Not the second most successful Coach/QB combo in the last decade. Talk about a tough crowd.

    He brings nothing to the table? Last I checked we are 2-2 and haven't lost a game by more than a single score and have a young defense playing mighty good ball right now and finally a running game that looks like it might carry the team. And a QB that still can run a 2 minute drill and give you a chance.

    If you'd have told me that every year my team would make the playoffs and win a wild card game, I'd totally take that since odds are so stacked against that happening it's an amazing accomplishment. Otherwise you take the Browns/Jets approach of changing the FO and drafting QB's every year hoping one day you might get lucky again.


    Just look at the best franchises:
    Best franchise in the league: Belichek and Brady. FO and QB stability
    Next best franchise: Carroll and Wilson. FO and QB stability
    Next best franchise: Rodgers and McCarthy. FO and QB stability
    Next best franchise: Rothlisberger and Tomlin. FO and QB stability
    Next best franchise: Denver Broncos. Lost stability and have sucked since SB win

    The order may be a little out of kilter but you have the 5 best franchises the last 10 years and 4/5 have been incredibly stable from a coach and QB standpoint.

    There are two ways to get to a SB. Get a competent QB on a rookie salary and build a great team around him. Or have a franchise QB and good coach and get hot in the playoffs. The former requires a great deal of draft luck. That's why few teams are willing to try that route.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:12 am
  • hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    hawksincebirth wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
    If this rang true, Nick Saban would already be back in the NFL and Urban Meyer would have had his shot already too. Some guys just like the college game and don’t want to deal with Pro Athletes. Money can’t persuade that. Peterson is one of those guys.

    Source ?


    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao

    I’m talking Peterson , you said several times he WOULD NEVER MAKE THE JUMP


    Peterson is a college guy. He also likes to keep a low profile and out of the spotlight. Which is why he’s turned down offers from powerhouse schools. Washington was the perfect fit for him as it was a jump to a power 5, yet still pretty isolated from everyone else.

    There’s no getting out of the spotlight for him being in the NFL. He will be scrutinized every loss no matter what team he coaches. To some people that’s worth more than money.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:13 am
  • MadDog - I get your point. I watched football in the Flores era too (as a kid but I still suffered through it)

    Except Pete will be gone in 3 years regardless.

    The team will not be great in 3 years.

    So why keep him?

    He has shown he cannot be offense first when your best player is Wilson.

    If we keep him we have to make a 30M commitment to Wilson while hoping he can work with the next HC. That makes no sense.

    Figure out if Wilson can be good with another coach, because you are getting another coach regardless.

    BTW Carroll has not been a 'good' coach for 5 years. He has underperformed with the talent he has had for half a decade. So the recipe for a 'good' coach and franchise QB isn't applicable. He was good, with 4 HOF players on an all-time defense. But not since.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:23 am
  • Steve2222 wrote:
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    hawksincebirth wrote:Source ?


    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao

    I’m talking Peterson , you said several times he WOULD NEVER MAKE THE JUMP


    Peterson is a college guy. He also likes to keep a low profile and out of the spotlight. Which is why he’s turned down offers from powerhouse schools. Washington was the perfect fit for him as it was a jump to a power 5, yet still pretty isolated from everyone else.

    There’s no getting out of the spotlight for him being in the NFL. He will be scrutinized every loss no matter what team he coaches. To some people that’s worth more than money.


    There's no more isolated NFL franchise than Seattle. Take away the last few years w/the LOB and Pete and most people thought/think Seattle is in Alaska or Siberia or Canada or something. The entire Northwest is more flyover than the flyover States. (Most of us like it that way.)

    Pete Carroll has to leave one way or another so maybe we'll find out within the next 5 years or so.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:29 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:
    adeltaY wrote:
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    Spin Doctor wrote:People keep saying "transitional year", but what I saw out there was bad coaching, and a team that looked unprepared, and incompetent. Pete Carroll tried his hardest to lose the game with the way he called it. This has become a trend over the last few seasons.


    What you have is an almost entirely new coaching staff and team trying to figure out how to gel. Patience.


    And yet the same offensive issues plaguing us since the end of 2015 persist. How long are you willing to give Pete to get this offense rolling?


    If Wilson could convert a 3rd down that would help more than firing Pete.


    If you've consistently have 3rd down problems, maybe it's time to sit down and hash out the hard truth that what you think is effective, maybe isn't.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:52 am
  • We're 2-2 with a team that is a shadow of its former talent/roster. Pete stays. Let's move on.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:11 am
  • TreeRon wrote:
    Steve2222 wrote:
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    You don’t think Urban and Saban have had their phone ring from NFL teams? Lmao

    I’m talking Peterson , you said several times he WOULD NEVER MAKE THE JUMP


    Peterson is a college guy. He also likes to keep a low profile and out of the spotlight. Which is why he’s turned down offers from powerhouse schools. Washington was the perfect fit for him as it was a jump to a power 5, yet still pretty isolated from everyone else.

    There’s no getting out of the spotlight for him being in the NFL. He will be scrutinized every loss no matter what team he coaches. To some people that’s worth more than money.


    There's no more isolated NFL franchise than Seattle. Take away the last few years w/the LOB and Pete and most people thought/think Seattle is in Alaska or Siberia or Canada or something. The entire Northwest is more flyover than the flyover States. (Most of us like it that way.)

    Pete Carroll has to leave one way or another so maybe we'll find out within the next 5 years or so.


    I get that. But NFL jobs are more scrutinized than college jobs outside of a few college programs.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:13 am
  • In the next 3 years, if we keep Pete -

    what is the upside?

    What is the downside?



    Now do the reverse of this exercise using the scenario where we remove Pete and install a difference HC?
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:17 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    hawknation2018 wrote:Dumb

    It’s a transition year after losing a lot of talent due to injury and contract.


    Its not dumb. Look at what McVay did for the Rams vs Fisher. In the NFL you can win with talent...but scheme is just as important. We currently have neither. Yes we are 2-2 but this team isn't making the playoffs. I saw the same thing in this forum during Holmgren's final years. People are holding onto the past....I get it....FANatics. If you objectively look at things its obvious Pete is holding us back offensively due to philosophy. Since that won't change he needs to go.



    If we hope to return to the SB in the coming years it will be w/o Pete.

    The game has passed him by.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:20 am
  • As much as I've loved having him as a coach, I'm getting tired of his time management and the getting cute and trying pass plays when the run is clearly working. I realize the OC is much to blame, and he deserves, it but Pete has final say on all of it.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:37 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:In the next 3 years, if we keep Pete -

    what is the upside?

    What is the downside?



    Now do the reverse of this exercise using the scenario where we remove Pete and install a difference HC?


    The issue I have is that I think Wilson is actually a QB that could be elite in the right system and with some decent OL play. But he does not have many years left and if you are going to make another SB run, you need to bring in someone else. We cannot afford more years of below average drafts (Penny is a bust btw) and continuous decline.

    I think the next few games will shed some light on whether PC is building another SB team or whether there is no downside to firing him.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:58 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:As much as I've loved having him as a coach, I'm getting tired of his time management and the getting cute and trying pass plays when the run is clearly working. I realize the OC is much to blame, and he deserves, it but Pete has final say on all of it.


    And he was hand selected before other OCs were even available - this is what Pete wanted to some extent.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:07 am
  • mrt144 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:As much as I've loved having him as a coach, I'm getting tired of his time management and the getting cute and trying pass plays when the run is clearly working. I realize the OC is much to blame, and he deserves, it but Pete has final say on all of it.


    And he was hand selected before other OCs were even available - this is what Pete wanted to some extent.


    Let's be clear, Schottenheimer was hand picked because like Bevell he's a yes man that is cool with his head coach overriding and meddling with his playcalling and installing an antiquated ball control scheme...............when any other young dynamic up an coming available coordinator would not be OK with this job situation.

    DeFelippo was another top rumored name with connections to the Hawks, but he chose the Eagles because Peterson is a forward thinking head coach that wanted a dynamic pass oriented style of offense for his dynamic young QB to thrive in.

    But Pete would never hire a coordinator like DeFelippo, because it goes against his core ball control and play physical on both sides of the ball philosophy.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:09 am
  • DeFelippo is with the Vikings.

    And I agree with you about PC
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:13 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:DeFelippo is with the Vikings.

    And I agree with you about PC


    Yep, my bad........but my reasoning for why he didn't come here holds true. Great dynamic coordinators want an opportunity for not only full control of playcalling, but they want to shine so they can get a HC job.

    That ain't here.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:18 am
  • Troy Aikman was talking about how important stopping the pass and passing the ball is to winning in the NFL (goto 5 Min mark)

    Pete never got the memo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb9HjFYm5l0

    "We still have coaches that say we are going to run the ball and stop the run.......that game's been changed a long time ago....if you can't play pass defense and you cannot throw the ball in this league, you are just simply not going to win"

    We hired a run first coordinator for a coach that wants a run first offense in a league doing everything to improve the effectiveness of the passing game while neutering the defense. Meanwhile, we have one of the better QBs in the league but under Carroll he has been steadily producing less in terms of results.

    Is the QB regressing? Or is this antiquated, awful offense brought to you by an antiquated washed up HC hiring a washed up and ineffective OC (after firing another washed up ineffective OC) the reason?

    If Wilson can be good or even great, we have to take that chance. And for 3 years Pete has proven that he cannot make Wilson better, he is actually making him worse. Given the importance of Wilson to this team, you either need to bet on Wilson or bet on Carroll.

    Betting on Wilson may not pan out, but it might and that payoff has to be worth the risk. Because if Wilson cannot be great for us we won't have a future anyway.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 am
  • Those that have given up on Pete and are calling for his head would be classified as "Clueless know it all's".
    They will be leading the "We love Pete" parade when things turn around.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:32 am
  • Donn2390 wrote:Those that have given up on Pete and are calling for his head would be classified as "Clueless know it all's".
    They will be leading the "We love Pete" parade when things turn around.
    There is an old expression, "If winning was easy, everyone would be doing it!"


    I haven't given up, but time's running out.

    Do you honestly think Pete and John can rebuild another #1 rated defense in order for this style of plain vanilla ball control offense to get to another SB?

    All with an aging Russell about to want to get paid again next year. Hell if I was Russell I might not want to sign another extension here if Pete's still my HC under utilizing me.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:45 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Donn2390 wrote:Those that have given up on Pete and are calling for his head would be classified as "Clueless know it all's".
    They will be leading the "We love Pete" parade when things turn around.
    There is an old expression, "If winning was easy, everyone would be doing it!"


    I haven't given up, but time's running out.

    Do you honestly think Pete and John can rebuild another #1 rated defense in order for this style of plain vanilla ball control offense to get to another SB?

    All with an aging Russell about to want to get paid again next year. Hell if I was Russell I might not want to sign another extension here if Pete's still my HC under utilizing me.


    If it takes 2 to 3 years to get back 'there' then time is not on anyone's side here. To get the amount of draft capital to take as many shots at the future as possible would preclude that timetable and induce FNG risk. To jettison the one trade chip we have in Wilson would probably make things worse before better and not keep us on that timetable. Pete could just up and retire due to a medical event (morbid, I know).

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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:41 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:MadDog - I get your point. I watched football in the Flores era too (as a kid but I still suffered through it)

    Except Pete will be gone in 3 years regardless.

    The team will not be great in 3 years.

    So why keep him?

    He has shown he cannot be offense first when your best player is Wilson.

    If we keep him we have to make a 30M commitment to Wilson while hoping he can work with the next HC. That makes no sense.

    Figure out if Wilson can be good with another coach, because you are getting another coach regardless.

    BTW Carroll has not been a 'good' coach for 5 years. He has underperformed with the talent he has had for half a decade. So the recipe for a 'good' coach and franchise QB isn't applicable. He was good, with 4 HOF players on an all-time defense. But not since.


    This is always the question. Was the team good because the talent was great or the talent was average but they were coached to excellence?
    We are either the greatest drafting team of all time or the greatest player developers of all time given what we built here.

    I'm inclined to believe that Pete is still a good coach because he does develop players skills and does have the team always playing hard for him. I watched so many Erickson and Holmgren teams just lay down when things got tough. Only seen that once from a Carroll team in last year's Rams game. And Pete knew it and cleaned house. This year the teams played their hearts out on D and kept us in games. The OL and run game is producing and only the passing game is remedial right now.

    Is Pete a great game day coach? Not really. But he's a great coach as far as motivation and teaching and that's a valuable commodity in a league where you need to rely on young guys.

    We'll be SB contenders next year. Book it.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:41 pm
  • Well the situation we have here is different then most, John works for Pete, if Pete gets fired does John also go, now you may have a New GM and Head Coach, most GM's and New Coaches want their guys, say Good Bye to Wilson, price tag is high, does not fit the measurables, may not fit the offensive vision of the new guy.

    Just food for thought on be careful what you wish for.

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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:42 pm
  • hawkcrazzed wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Get a grip dude. Pete isn't perfect, but your emotions are literally comparable to leaving your wife because you think the grass is greener on the other side. Then you discover your ex-wife has a lot of qualities your current wife doesn't. I for one like stability. If I was running the Seahawks the last thing I'd listen to is a rabid fan base

    I hated the 3rd and 1 call. But I've watched football religiously to know that even Andy Reid, Belicheck, etc. have made similar mistakes. Everyone wants a Sean McVay or a Kyle Shanahan but neither of them have won a superbowl



    No you got it wrong its like being with a wife u can't stand becaue its all you know.



    Yep, or being in an abusive relationship. Oh, but we had so many good times, and now and then it's fun, but...lately it's rarely been fun.

    Games are supposed to be fun, right? Watching the first half of a Hawks game is nothing like that.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:04 pm
  • Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Its funny how humans always fall into the same emotional pitfalls.

    When Pete was new and shiny, he was the greatest thing. Bringing in a tough defense. Clawing out close wins with a crappy offense but a lot of grit. Getting it all right with drafts so he could get us to two superbowls with essentially the same approach of tough defense, balanced conservative offense.

    Now the shine has faded off this old penny. The Lombardi is a distant memory and that mantra of tough defense and balanced ceonservative offense is "old fashioned". The game has past the old coach by. There's a few shiny pennies out there calling us to potentially greater things and we fall for it hook line and sinker.

    Is there really a logical basis to the theory of dumping an old successful coach and getting a new successful coach as being likely to succeed. Or is it merely fans following standard behavioral tropes and wishful thinking.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:24 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Its funny how humans always fall into the same emotional pitfalls.

    When Pete was new and shiny, he was the greatest thing. Bringing in a tough defense. Clawing out close wins with a crappy offense but a lot of grit. Getting it all right with drafts so he could get us to two superbowls with essentially the same approach of tough defense, balanced conservative offense.

    Now the shine has faded off this old penny. The Lombardi is a distant memory and that mantra of tough defense and balanced ceonservative offense is "old fashioned". The game has past the old coach by. There's a few shiny pennies out there calling us to potentially greater things and we fall for it hook line and sinker.

    Is there really a logical basis to the theory of dumping an old successful coach and getting a new successful coach as being likely to succeed. Or is it merely fans following standard behavioral tropes and wishful thinking.


    My Ohio State fandom tells me yes, there is a logical basis ;)
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:08 pm
  • Pete's time has come and gone. I'm thankful for what Pete has brought us, he created a juggernaut like none other that we've ever seen here in Seattle. He created a historically good team that will forever be talked about. His 2013 team was this generations 1985 Bears. These were the best of times, but nothing gold stays forever. Seahawk fans are desperately clinging to the past glory with Pete, unaware what is transpiring before them. The game has past Pete by, time has left the Seahawks, and Pete Carroll clinging to a past that will never be resurrected by Pete Carroll.

    When Pete Carroll came into the Seahawks he had several things working for him. The first of which is he had a system that utilized players that others did not value. This allowed Carroll to get good value on players such as Richard Sherman, Browner, and Kam Chancellor. Nobody was looking at the big corners, and LB/S tweeners such as Chancellor. They were considered fringe NFL players. Carroll's system was able to take full advantage of these types of players. He used a tweaked version of cover 2 and 4-3 under that utilized a lot of press and a uniquely talented safety to make sure plays didn't get behind the defense. This is how he was able to get max value on many of his draft picks, and turn guys who were considered too big/stiff to play corner into stars.

    Unfortunately, with success comes others who look to emulated that success. Teams started taking big corners and utilizing the same concepts that made the Seahawks so great. Former defensive coordinators and assistants got poached by other teams and they implemented the same defense. This means the player pool for our potential defensive players got much smaller. It became much harder to get good depth, and find the value that defined the Pete Carroll era. Our QB that was making 750k suddenly came up for a second contract. Furthermore teams learned how to counter this defense.

    In many ways Pete Carroll is facing many of the same problems that the 85 Bears faced after their success. The 46 defense was not widely used before the 85 Bears, teams either emulated or learned how to work around it. Talent got poached, and that team died a long, slow protracted death. Ditka started to lose the locker room, and the team suffered slow decline. Carroll is in this same position.

    The core tenants that gave Carroll the edge have been replicated, or exploited. On the offensive side of the ball he also faces some of the same issues. Teams have figured out Russell Wilson's patterns which set up the deep pass that Carroll so coveted. He continues to run an antiquated offense that has long since been left behind. More often than not it seems we stumble into victory than actually capture it. Poor usage of timeouts, and offensive mishaps/mistakes seem to plague the Seahawks. Time management is horrible and the situational play-calling is appalling to say the least. Coaching mishaps have cost the Seahawks two games we could have won.

    So the question remains: does Pete Carroll's coaching actually elevate the Seahawks, make us better? I think the answer is clear, no it doesn't. In the NFL coaches must constantly evolve, and adapt, and Carroll has failed to do so, time has left him behind. He clings to old ideas, and approaches every game the same way. His defense is still decent but his offense is a shackle that is pushing this team down to obscurity. His refusal to recognize this will end up costing him his job. Especially if Wilson does get that 30 million dollar contract and he still keeps doing the same thing.

    I'm happy for what Carroll has brought us, but I can no longer say he is actually elevating the team. Things could be worse than Carroll, but with Carroll I think we are going to stuck with a team that hovers around 7-9 each season, plus or minus a few wins -- essentially Jeff Fisher territory. I think he could have more success if he gives up all control of offensive play calling, and planning, but that won't happen.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:21 pm
  • ExBassGuide wrote:In Pete I Trust!

    You're going to be very disappointed.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:30 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Familiarity breeds contempt.

    Its funny how humans always fall into the same emotional pitfalls.

    When Pete was new and shiny, he was the greatest thing. Bringing in a tough defense. Clawing out close wins with a crappy offense but a lot of grit. Getting it all right with drafts so he could get us to two superbowls with essentially the same approach of tough defense, balanced conservative offense.

    Now the shine has faded off this old penny. The Lombardi is a distant memory and that mantra of tough defense and balanced ceonservative offense is "old fashioned". The game has past the old coach by. There's a few shiny pennies out there calling us to potentially greater things and we fall for it hook line and sinker.

    Is there really a logical basis to the theory of dumping an old successful coach and getting a new successful coach as being likely to succeed. Or is it merely fans following standard behavioral tropes and wishful thinking.


    Except there is mounting statistical evidence that Pete's style of offense is suboptimal. It's not coming out of nowhere.

    I don't even want Pete gone, I just want him to hire a forward thinking OC while he sticks to defense. If he won't do it, then it's time to consider getting rid of him.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:27 pm
  • I remember, all too well, the mob that called for the firing of Chuck Knox and his brand of winning football. Realization of their wish ushered an age of darkness and hopelessness the likes of which no fan base should ever be expected to persevere.

    Today's later day mob calling for Pete's head isn't any smarter than the mob that called for Chuck's head. It's beyond dumb .... it's ignorant of past lessons.

    I like this Pete Carroll Program.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:35 pm
  • ExBassGuide wrote:In Pete I Trust!


    Hard hitting analysis.

    What has Pete done in the last 5 years to warrant such blind faith?

    Stick with Cable & Bevell? Replace Bevell with Schotty?

    Sign Eddy Lacey? Cary Williams? Joeckel?

    Drafting Rashard Penny? Ifedi?

    Burning a 1st & your pro-bowl Center on Jimmy Graham, and then proceed to comically misutilize him?

    Letting major UFA's walk in Jimmy Graham & Sheldon Richardson, and then sign bum UFAs that cancel out your comp picks?

    Piss off veteran players like Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, ET, Michael Bennett?

    Cliff Avril stating publicly he never listened to Pete. (Probably the majority of the team tuned him out.) ?

    Not Signing Earl Thomas or trading him for a draft pick Pick(s) (Piss or get off the pot.) ?

    Letting Okung walk, and proceed to ignore LT for 1.5 seasons? Leaving the QB's blindside unprotected?

    Getting your franchise QB pummeled into the ground for 4 years, with trash O-Lines & a dated scheme?

    Get rid of a good kicker, for spotty kickers?

    The decreased amount of wins for going on 5 consecutive seasons?

    Having only 4 draft picks going into the 2019 NFL Draft when you're supposed to be rebuilding?

    Tell me please, I want to know????


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Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:36 pm
  • Jville wrote:I remember, all too well, the mob that called for the firing of Chuck Knox and his brand of winning football. Realization of their wish ushered an age of darkness and hopelessness the likes of which no fan base should ever be expected to persevere.

    Today's later day mob calling for Pete's head isn't any smarter than the mob that called for Chuck's head. It's beyond dumb .... it's ignorant of past lessons.

    I like this Pete Carroll Program.


    Whether we wish for it or not, Pete isn't going to coach forever and then what?
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:39 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    ExBassGuide wrote:In Pete I Trust!


    Hard hitting analysis.

    What has Pete done in the last 5 years to warrant such blind faith?

    Stick with Cable & Bevell? Replace Bevell with Schotty?

    Sign Eddy Lacey? Cary Williams? Joeckel?

    Drafting Rashard Penny? Ifedi?

    Burning a 1st & your pro-bowl Center on Jimmy Graham, and then proceed to comically misutilize him?

    Letting major UFA's walk in Jimmy Graham & Sheldon Richardson, and then sign bum UFAs that cancel out your comp picks?

    Piss off veteran players like Marshawn Lynch, Richard Sherman, ET, Michael Bennett?

    Cliff Avril stating publicly he never listened to Pete. (Probably the majority of the team tuned him out.) ?

    Not Signing Earl Thomas or trading him for a draft pick Pick(s) (Piss or get off the pot.) ?

    Letting Okung walk, and proceed to ignore LT for 1.5 seasons? Leaving the QB's blindside unprotected?

    Getting your franchise QB pummeled into the ground for 4 years, with trash O-Lines & a dated scheme?

    Get rid of a good kicker, for spotty kickers?

    The decreased amount of wins for going on 5 consecutive seasons?

    Having only 4 draft picks going into the 2019 NFL Draft when you're supposed to be rebuilding?

    Tell me please, I want to know????


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    Sounds like you have put a lot into building a collection of grievances. How's that working out for you. Happy?
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:43 pm
  • Jville wrote:Sounds like you have put a lot into building a collection of grievances. How's that working out for you. Happy?


    I am fine bro. I find Kool-Aid drinkers funny. I am laughing at these clowns.

    All of that was off the top of my head, I probably left some out, Pete has done a bad job over the last 5 years if you have been paying attention.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:44 pm
  • You just dismissed his points out of hand with zero attempt at analysis or discussion. How is that helpful unless you're making fun of a troll which Fade clearly isn't?
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:51 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Jville wrote:Sounds like you have put a lot into building a collection of grievances. How's that working out for you. Happy?


    I am fine bro. I find Kool-Aid drinkers funny. I am laughing at these clowns.

    All of that was off the top of my head, I probably left some out, Pete has done a bad job over the last 5 years if you have been paying attention.


    So a couple of follow up questions might be .......

    What do you think of use of a Ben Franklin chart or some variation there of to render a sound balanced assessment?

    What did you think of Chuck Knox and the aftermath that followed his firing?
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:14 pm
  • Jville wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Jville wrote:Sounds like you have put a lot into building a collection of grievances. How's that working out for you. Happy?


    I am fine bro. I find Kool-Aid drinkers funny. I am laughing at these clowns.

    All of that was off the top of my head, I probably left some out, Pete has done a bad job over the last 5 years if you have been paying attention.


    So a couple of follow up questions might be .......

    What do you think of use of a Ben Franklin chart or some variation there of to come to a sound assessment?

    What did you think of Chuck Knox and the aftermath that followed his firing?


    Pete should've used a Ben Franklin type of chart, maybe he would've made more sound decisions. A lot of his moves have come off as reactionary. With the Jimmy Graham move being the poster child.

    Chuck Knox was a very good coach, and his downturn was due to bad ownership, and he did not have the resources Pete has, and has had to build a winner.

    Pete is also 5 yrs older than when Knox coached his final season. Pete doesn't have a future imo going forward as a head of football operations guy in charge of everything. He needs to relinquish power in personnel, and on offense. Focus on being a head coach, and running his defense. Only that. If he cannot accept that, then it is time to move on.

    If poster's come at me with kool-aid. They are going to get this work.

    Now what has Pete done in the last 5 yrs to incite such faith?
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:41 pm
  • Fade wrote:
    Jville wrote:
    So a couple of follow up questions might be .......

    What do you think of use of a Ben Franklin chart or some variation there of to come to a sound assessment?

    What did you think of Chuck Knox and the aftermath that followed his firing?


    Pete should've used a Ben Franklin type of chart, maybe he would've made more sound decisions. A lot of his moves have come off as reactionary. With the Jimmy Graham move being the poster child.

    Chuck Knox was a very good coach, and his downturn was due to bad ownership, and he did not have the resources Pete has, and has had to build a winner.

    Pete is also 5 yrs older than when Knox coached his final season. Pete doesn't have a future imo going forward as a head of football operations guy in charge of everything. He needs to relinquish power in personnel, and on offense. Focus on being a head coach, and running his defense. Only that. If he cannot accept that, then it is time to move on.

    If poster's come at me with kool-aid. They are going to get this work.

    Now what has Pete done in the last 5 yrs to incite such faith?


    My Ben Franklin question was in response to an all negative list offered up. Nobody, including the Seahawks, bats a thousand with personnel decisions. There are many positive acknowledgements such as the emergence of such rookies as Will Dissley and veteran acquisitions like Bradley McDougald.

    With Chuck Knox, his offensive and defensive and special teams preferences all fit together. They reinforced each other. Seems to me the same is true with Pete along with other successful coaches. It all must work hand in hand reinforcing each other as a unified style of football.

    What I really like about Pete Carroll is the culture he has built. Along with the consensuses building that Paul Allen mandates in making franchise decisions.
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Re: Fire Pete
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:59 pm
  • Jville wrote:
    Fade wrote:
    Jville wrote:
    So a couple of follow up questions might be .......

    What do you think of use of a Ben Franklin chart or some variation there of to come to a sound assessment?

    What did you think of Chuck Knox and the aftermath that followed his firing?


    Pete should've used a Ben Franklin type of chart, maybe he would've made more sound decisions. A lot of his moves have come off as reactionary. With the Jimmy Graham move being the poster child.

    Chuck Knox was a very good coach, and his downturn was due to bad ownership, and he did not have the resources Pete has, and has had to build a winner.

    Pete is also 5 yrs older than when Knox coached his final season. Pete doesn't have a future imo going forward as a head of football operations guy in charge of everything. He needs to relinquish power in personnel, and on offense. Focus on being a head coach, and running his defense. Only that. If he cannot accept that, then it is time to move on.

    If poster's come at me with kool-aid. They are going to get this work.

    Now what has Pete done in the last 5 yrs to incite such faith?


    My Ben Franklin question was in response to an all negative list offered up. Nobody, including the Seahawks, bats a thousand with personnel decisions. There are positive acknowledgements such as the emergence of such rookies as Will Dissley and veteran acquisitions like Bradley McDougald.

    With Chuck Knox, his offensive and defensive and special teams preferences all fit together. They reinforced each other. Seems to me the same is true with Pete along with other successful coaches. It all must work hand in hand reinforcing each other as a unified style of football.

    What I really like about Pete Carroll is the culture he has built. Along with the consensuses building that Paul Allen mandates in making franchise decisions.


    I wish that the culture wasn't so holistic that it seems spiteful at times.
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