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Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:34 am
  • So NFL.com's Elliot Harrison has the Seahawks bumped up to 21 after 4 weeks. They started out, what, 30th? ESPN has us at 22. CBS Sports also 22.

    Look, you can continue to tell the world that Power Rankings don't matter, you could "honestly care less" about them but we all know it's a lie. Just like the actor who reads their reviews. Other people's opinions shouldn't matter, but they do. We're human. So in that light, humor me. Is 22 a fair spot for this team right now?

    Where would you rank the Seahawks in YOUR power rankings here in week 4? Don't be a homer. Be honest, good, bad or indifferent.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:38 am
  • I think that's about right, mid 20's somewhere.

    Remember the good ol' days when we were mad cause we weren't #1, or we got bumped to #2 or #3? Good times, good times.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:44 am
  • How about 16? They are 2-2, so there you go.

    It almost feels as though the fact that the LOB imploded gave certain media, let's call them East Coast, the reason they've been wanting to write off the South Alaska Seahawks. Peter King described it as a "Powderkeg" yesterday. Hard to say from the outside, but it seems ETII was the last of the rabble rousers...and even last year he was begging Garrett to trade for him, so that's not exactly new news.

    The only thing that would make me rank them lower would be the coaching/general direction of the club. Let's face it, you don't get into the NFL without talent. We need a steady hand on the rudder.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:48 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I think that's about right, mid 20's somewhere.

    Remember the good ol' days when we were mad cause we weren't #1, or we got bumped to #2 or #3? Good times, good times.


    Ah yes. Sigh.

    Personally I would put them around 16-18. Honest.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:48 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I think that's about right, mid 20's somewhere.

    Remember the good ol' days when we were mad cause we weren't #1, or we got bumped to #2 or #3? Good times, good times.


    The good ol' days were being in the 20s...

    hell, the good ol' days were when someone outside of the city of Seattle mentioned the franchise on national TV
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:13 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:I think that's about right, mid 20's somewhere.

    Remember the good ol' days when we were mad cause we weren't #1, or we got bumped to #2 or #3? Good times, good times.


    The good ol' days were being in the 20s...

    hell, the good ol' days were when someone outside of the city of Seattle mentioned the franchise on national TV


    Fair point.

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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:24 am
  • I think 21 is about fair. The NFL has a lot of mediocre teams like us this year. Very few awful teams. Even the Browns aren't the Browns anymore. The only really bad teams in the NFL right now IMO are the Bills, Jets and Niners. I think it has to do with a lot more talented QB's in the league.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:25 am
  • Hawk-Lock wrote:I think 21 is about fair. The NFL has a lot of mediocre teams like us this year. Very few awful teams. Even the Browns aren't the Browns anymore. The only really bad teams in the NFL right now IMO are the Bills, Jets and Niners. I think it has to do with a lot more talented QB's in the league.


    That's fair. The homer in me wants to rank them 12-14, but in truth that's not accurate at this stage. Late teens, early twenties feels right.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:30 am
  • Aros wrote:
    That's fair. The homer in me wants to rank them 12-14, but in truth that's not accurate at this stage. Late teens, early twenties feels right.


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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:39 am
  • Taking the homer glasses off, 21 sound about right. If the young D can keep this up and Russ and our receivers can ever get it figured out, we could make a nice jump. For now though, hard to argue against the teams currently ranked ahead of us.


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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:44 am
  • Late teens, early twenties.

    But this is a team that still has room to decline. Early part of the schedule was the easy teams.

    This team still feels strongly like it isn't at rock bottom yet. Fully expect a couple of bad seasons result wise coming.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:46 am
  • I would say 17 w/ the injuries. Just waiting on Wilson to get his groove back.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:48 am
  • Aros wrote:
    Hawk-Lock wrote:I think 21 is about fair. The NFL has a lot of mediocre teams like us this year. Very few awful teams. Even the Browns aren't the Browns anymore. The only really bad teams in the NFL right now IMO are the Bills, Jets and Niners. I think it has to do with a lot more talented QB's in the league.


    That's fair. The homer in me wants to rank them 12-14, but in truth that's not accurate at this stage. Late teens, early twenties feels right.


    Throw record out, sample size is too small. Through four games we've played the worst team in the NFL and another bottom 10 team at home. How do you think we'd fair on the road against any of the top 20 teams, we probably lose. As the season goes on and the schedule gets more difficult, I think we will be comfortably in the 20's. We are a really average team right now.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:59 am
  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:Late teens, early twenties.

    But this is a team that still has room to decline. Early part of the schedule was the easy teams.

    This team still feels strongly like it isn't at rock bottom yet. Fully expect a couple of bad seasons result wise coming.


    I see it completely opposite. I think this team is on the rise. Sure we will lose our fair share of games this season and likely fall short of the playoffs for the second straight year but there's a lot of good to great young players on this team.

    This team may be 18-21 now ranking, but they are not that far from top ten. Just got to get Russ going.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:13 am
  • Power Rankings usually mean "how likely is each team to win this year" and NFL Future Odds are arguably the best source of that data. However, I don't think the AFC likelihoods should matter much to Seahawks fans (and vice versa). What we care about is playoff outcomes through the NFC.

    NFC futures after week 4
    #1 Rams
    #2 Saints
    #3 Packers
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    #5 Vikings
    #6 Eagles
    #7 Falcons
    #8 Panthers
    #9 Seahawks
    #10 Cowboys
    #11 Redskins
    #12 Giants
    #13 Lions
    #14 Buccaneers
    #15 49ers
    #16 Cardinals

    The good news is the 49ers and Cardinals are both bringing up the rear and the bad news is the Rams are sprinting out in front.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:24 am
  • Yeah, meaningless, but reading the responses can be fun. :snack:

    We started way low, largely because of heavy turnover of well known athletes. We might have been bumped another couple of spots if ET hadn't got hurt. 20 +/- a couple of spots seems fair at this time of the season. 'Hawks still have a lot to prove, some of which we'll see about this Sunday. How we match up with an arguably top 3/5 team will say a lot.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:24 am
  • If this offense can figure out a rhythm to the run vs pass game, introduce some creativity and wrinkles, and start to hit on the deep passes Russ is so good at, they should remain competitive with most teams. The teams played so far aren't a good measuring stick for the quality of the roster IMO and losing Earl on a defense still learning is big. McDougald will have to keep his level of play up big time.

    I think how they look this week against a high powered offense like the Rams will be a good judge. It's almost inevitable they'll hit a couple huge quick strike plays and at some point they will suddenly be up by 2 TD's. How will the offense respond? 3 and out? Shoot themselves in the foot with penalties? Can they take the ball back and go down and score? Can't settle for field goals or punting it from their 40 because McVay will be going for it on those situations every time. More than anything I just want to see them hang with a SB contender this week.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:52 am
  • Power Rankings are fairly meaningless as they represent a subjective view of the respective teams progress and their player who you like or don't like. To me all that matters are the W's and L's. What will the Hawks ranking be if they were upset the Rams this weekend? Do they still suck?

    It's hard for the rankings writers to overcome the losses of Sherman, Chancellor, 2 Richardsons, Bennett, Avril, Graham, and now Thomas. Meanwhile the preconceptions of how weak the OLine is, and the general lack of Offence persist along with the suspicion the team has a too many unproven young players so the view is they should be scored lower on the power rankings. watching the D play to now should cause a few to revisit their negativity as to that phase of the game. It appears the team can move the ball on the ground again which is a marked improvement form the two prior seasons. Now to see some explosive creativity that has been moribund this season, along with faster play from them.

    My view is they rank about mid-level. However, a crucial W or two will quickly cause a sharp revision of their ranking upwards. The team isn't in the final quartile or in the top half but they are closer to being in the top half than the final quartile.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:02 am
  • The only teams who look very good at this point are the Rams and Chiefs. And both of those teams struggled their way to close victories on the road this last week.

    Everyone else is a muddle.

    Seahawks defense has looked good through 4 weeks. They’re ranked in the Top 10 in most defensive categories. The new Defensive DVOA isn’t out yet, but they should be in the Top 5. No one knows how the defense will hold up without Earl Thomas, a generational talent who is virtually irreplaceable in our defensive scheme.

    The running game has gotten going. But what is on paper our greatest strength (I.e. Russell Wilson’s play making) has not shown up on the field so far this season. If that happens, the offense could look much better.

    So who knows? If everything clicks, maybe they can be a 9-7 Wild Card team that makes a run. But with all the injuries and issues with Russell Wilson, that seems unlikely. Hope they get it together.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:08 am
  • #18

    I think we are as good or better than a number of teams ahead of us. We are on the same level as Chicago and Denver even though we lost i think we'd have beat both on our field and in a rematch later in the years we'd beat them.

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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:30 pm
  • I would say 15-17. We lost 2 away games that we had a chance to win both late. One to a 2-2 Broncos team that hung with the Chiefs and another to a 3-1 Bears team that looks to be legit. Couple that with the fact that we have always started the season slow even with all the talent. Then we beat the Cowboys, again not convincing but a win like we are used to. Follow that up with beating a team on their field where we typically struggle.

    Even when we were dominant we typically struggled early in the season and even then never really blew teams out all that often.

    Aside from all that, this team does have flaws, but Baldwin is back now which helps Russ. The running game is becoming a focus and the young defenders are getting game time which will only help them improve as a unit as well.

    Or maybe its just my rose colored glasses:)
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:22 pm
  • 16-18 range is where I think they belong with how they have played so far.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:34 pm
  • Feels about right to toffee, hoping this young team keep improving, so by mid season at 16? Love to finish the season around #10.

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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:19 pm
  • Seahawks are middle of the pack unless you start beating some of the top 15 teams. They will get lots of chances to do that coming up.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:26 pm
  • 2-2 after three games on the road isn't bad at all. And we were pretty close to winning those two. I would probably say we aren't as bad as most people think, especially if we keep running the ball like we have been. The defense hasn't really be spectacular but it has been pretty solid.

    Realistically I would probably put us in the 16-18 range but I can't really argue with low 20s.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:38 pm
  • Imagine if we beat the Rams Sunday.

    They will have to put us at least to 19. (wink)
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:38 pm
  • Probably 18-20. We havn't looked great, and I fear our lack of depth will become further exposed as more injuries occur, but our two losses are tenable. Denver in their house is always tough, and apparently the Bears are really good.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:49 pm
  • Aros wrote:Imagine if we beat the Rams Sunday.

    They will have to put us at least to 19. (wink)

    Sadly, that’s probably not far off. It would be all about how the Rams “overlooked” us or “just had a bad day.”


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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:03 pm
  • 21 is about right. Back down to the lower 20's after the Rams game unfortunately.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:17 pm
  • AubHawk71 wrote:How about 16? They are 2-2, so there you go.


    I'd buy that IF 3 out of the 4 games hadn't been played in very hostile territory.
    I don't think that they're getting near enough kudos for having endured playing against a few sackmasters, and not getting completely slaughterd.
    Winning is NOT EASY in the NFL, especially when you're nursing a bunch of injuries to some of your core players, and in AWAY GAMES in the boot, so, 20, to 26 is probable about where they legitimately belong....for now.
    I see a lot of negative posts on how intermittent shitty the Offense has been playing, It's still early, still have some green players sprinkled in there, and some new Offensive Concepts that some of the oldsters are still adjusting to.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:18 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:21 is about right. Back down to the lower 20's after the Rams game unfortunately.


    Why would losing to the top-ranked team drop us further? That makes no sense at all,

    Unless one thinks that's where we belong already. Oh, wait... this is pittpnthrs!
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:29 pm
  • We will stay in the 20's or so till our offense starts to show it can score convincingly, if were a 8-8 team we will waffle back and forth for a while till we get synced up and things start to happen instinctively.

    It will take a bit with Earl gone, Kendricks who was making a impact suspended, The O line shuffle still and the musical chairs at RB and Wright out as well. We also have to find a Blocking TE that can trigger the Run game like Dissley was doing so well.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:54 pm
  • I'd put us in the high teens if not for injuries, but low 20's as-is. 21 feels about right.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:18 pm
  • 20 is about right I think. I have been hoping for 8 games now to see some sort of creativity from schotty, but nothing. Our WR probably arent changing either. Lockett is average to above average, baldwin above average and clutch but will be nursing his injury all year (why he went to the ground catching those balls, was probably told to going across the middle), Moore could turn out to be money but I dont see brown or marshall as very good.

    Defense is in its infancy. We can see glimmers of being good, but I dont see any breakout stars or league leaders. I think they will be top 10 eventually though.

    Not sure what the stats say, but to the eye test our pass rush is average, and it doesnt seem to have a high ceiling. We need a great rush to help out the back end.

    Our TE's are horrible with dissly hurt. Vannett stinks. No one in the wings or being developed. Very weak area.

    RB's are servicable but again don't see anything above average.

    OL is getting better, but that isnt saying much. Still have some definite weak links in this area. Again, no one being developed so...

    I just don't see a high ceiling with our current roster. Next draft we have decent picks, and we should have much more cap flexibility. Even before preseason many had marked this the rebuild season with next year actually having a chance to compete again at a high level. I think for that to happen though, Pete needs to not just hire a new OC, but hire one that is an up and comer (I have zero idea who that would be) and turn the offense over to him. Pete is a great defensive coach, but has never been very succesful in this area, atleast in seattle anyway.

    Russ is franchise. Talented, good composure, mostly makes good decisions and clutch in tight spots. As he ages and cant scramble as well, then we will see, but for now I like him here.

    All in all, the reason that 20-25 is probably accurate has nothing to do with record and more to do with utilizing our roster to it's full extent. I don't have faith in our coaching staff to do this. No real "great" players outside of Russ, and several areas of serious concern. I still think we make 9-7 though, maybe finish out at 17-18
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:52 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:21 is about right. Back down to the lower 20's after the Rams game unfortunately.


    Why would losing to the top-ranked team drop us further? That makes no sense at all,

    Unless one thinks that's where we belong already. Oh, wait... this is pittpnthrs!


    You are right if every team behind the Seahawks stay exactly where they are, which is highly unlikely. Its not hard.
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:16 pm
  • I see we are still at 21. I guess you can argue that you never move up in a loss, but...

    Come on man! This team is currently 14-16 level. No?
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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:25 pm
  • If Seahawks win this week, they'll be right in the thick of the Wild Card race.

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Re: Power Rankings
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:27 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:If Seahawks win this week, they'll be right in the thick of the Wild Card race.

    :snack:


    I see your popcorn man and I raise you three popcorn men.

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Re: Power Rankings
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:49 am
  • Aros wrote:I see we are still at 21. I guess you can argue that you never move up in a loss, but...

    Come on man! This team is currently 14-16 level. No?


    I think the Power Rankings only take into account how much talent you have and how you have played so far as opposed to how you are trending. That's why a team like the Bucs isn't bottom five - they are coasting off their two wins early in the season. We are trending up, but our record isn't great.

    I think there's a decent argument the following teams are all above us right now, in no particular order:

    Rams, Chiefs, Jags, Titans, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Chargers, Eagles, Patriots, Dolphins, Bears, Packers, Panthers, Vikings, Saints, and, yes, The Cleveland Browns. That's 18th.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:26 am
  • Browns are playing an easier schedule thus far than the Seahawks have. The Seahawks would be 4-1 at worst had they played that schedule. The bigger issue I have is that the Redskins, Lions, and Bucs are ranked ahead of the Seahawks. Sorry not buying that those teams are better than the Seahawks. Bucs and Redskins got a severe beating last time they played a football game. Then Lions beat a Packer team where most of their receivers were out. Not impressive in my book.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:28 am
  • Personally I would put the Seahawks around 12-15 range, looking at the teams ahead of them on the rankings.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:05 am
  • nutluck wrote:Personally I would put the Seahawks around 12-15 range, looking at the teams ahead of them on the rankings.


    Yes actually I would agree. This team as a whole is much better than the collective would think.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:18 am
  • nutluck wrote:Personally I would put the Seahawks around 12-15 range, looking at the teams ahead of them on the rankings.


    I think this tells you how many mediocre teams there are right now in the league. There are only 4-5 very good teams, 4-5 very bad teams and everyone else is in the middle somewhere, including us.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:31 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    nutluck wrote:Personally I would put the Seahawks around 12-15 range, looking at the teams ahead of them on the rankings.


    I think this tells you how many mediocre teams there are right now in the league. There are only 4-5 very good teams, 4-5 very bad teams and everyone else is in the middle somewhere, including us.


    Yeah I have to agree with that but I see us definitely trending up for sure. We will be top 10 by the end of the year, I can feel it.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:40 am
  • Aros wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    nutluck wrote:Personally I would put the Seahawks around 12-15 range, looking at the teams ahead of them on the rankings.


    I think this tells you how many mediocre teams there are right now in the league. There are only 4-5 very good teams, 4-5 very bad teams and everyone else is in the middle somewhere, including us.


    Yeah I have to agree with that but I see us definitely trending up for sure. We will be top 10 by the end of the year, I can feel it.


    Ha, I hope you're right!

    Got some tough games coming up (Vikings, Packers, Rams, Chargers, Panthers)..............if we can make it to December around .500 I think we can close out strong and hopefully compete for a Wild Card.

    That's the good news, other than three of the four division leaders no one's running away with anything for WC berths.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Ha, I hope you're right!

    Got some tough games coming up (Vikings, Packers, Rams, Chargers, Panthers)..............if we can make it to December around .500 I think we can close out strong and hopefully compete for a Wild Card.

    That's the good news, other than three of the four division leaders no one's running away with anything for WC berths.


    Tough schedule no doubt but these guys seem to be coming together and figuring it out. Okay, if not Top 10, sniffing it for sure by the end of the year. Wildcard is definitely in play.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:47 am
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    hawknation2018 wrote:If Seahawks win this week, they'll be right in the thick of the Wild Card race.

    :snack:


    I see your popcorn man and I raise you three popcorn men.

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    I'm pretty sure you only raised him by two, since the pot is now three. His one that you saw, plus the two you raised.

    Also, I agree. To change it from poker to craps, when it comes to the Seahawks you should bet on the come.
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Re: Power Rankings
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:49 am
  • My feeling about any power ranking is that there has to be a body of work or else it doesn't amount to much more than pure speculation. Given that we are almost 1/3 of the way into the season it would seem that there is at least some semblance of that, but i probably wouldn't want to derive too much until we are halfway into the season at least.

    Having said that, there is somewhat of an exception here because last week's game feels significant in that regard. The fact that we were able to put up 31 pts against that D is remarkable. There is no denying that, AND the fact that much of the success we had against them was with the run is even more remarkable. This is arguably the best D-Line in the league and we averaged 5.9 yds per carry? If you would have told me that before the game I would have suggested that you were blessed with remarkable optimism.

    We also completed four passes over 30 yds, yes their secondary was banged up, but it was good to see Tyler Lockett regain his form. Those goal line stands were also very impressive. (Tedric Thompson's stop)

    I would say that the ranking is probably middle-of-the-pack at this point without any more information.

    Color me cautiously optimistic.
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