https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/r ... 2018-10-11
It's good to see, and hopefully the trend continues. Under the former offensive coaching regime, red zone scoring was often a struggle and tended to be more of a coin flip (48-55%).
sutz wrote:And the really good part is that we're scoring with RBs on running plays.
Ad Hawk wrote:sutz wrote:And the really good part is that we're scoring with RBs on running plays.
This is a really big deal to me. Again, there may be no "moral victories," but after last season, it sure feels like one. It's small successes that can lead to greater ones.
RolandDeschain wrote:Wait, I thought Schottenheimer was already indicted by most of .NET prior to the start of the preseason? I'm confused.
sutz wrote:Ad Hawk wrote:sutz wrote:And the really good part is that we're scoring with RBs on running plays.
This is a really big deal to me. Again, there may be no "moral victories," but after last season, it sure feels like one. It's small successes that can lead to greater ones.
I'm pretty sure we already have more rushing TDs by RBs than we had all last season. Nice to not be one dimensional in the red zone.
Ad Hawk wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Wait, I thought Schottenheimer was already indicted by most of .NET prior to the start of the preseason? I'm confused.
People who were willing to give him a chance probably mostly kept quiet. The negative shouting-down was difficult to dialogue with.
Ad Hawk wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Wait, I thought Schottenheimer was already indicted by most of .NET prior to the start of the preseason? I'm confused.
People who were willing to give him a chance probably mostly kept quiet. The negative shouting-down was difficult to dialogue with.
I doubt there's much of a bandwagon yet.
Aros wrote:Great stat. This team is on the rise.
xray wrote:It's the OL..the Fluker-Sweezy guard combo looks like the real deal. Run baby run !!!...
GeekHawk wrote:Everybody wants to be first on the bandwagon.
sutz wrote:And the really good part is that we're scoring with RBs on running plays.
TwistedHusky wrote:We have a good % of RZ conversions.
But we aren't getting to the RZ enough for it to matter, but for against the Rams.
One good game in 5 for the offense isn't going to cut it either.
RolandDeschain wrote:Wait, I thought Schottenheimer was already indicted by most of .NET prior to the start of the preseason? I'm confused.
TwistedHusky wrote:That is because Schotty has a defined track record.
If you expect different results, well that is on you.
Gentle reminder:
Teams don't generally go to the playoffs with a 'pretty good' defense and a 'not terrible' offense.
You need to at least be good at something. So not being awful isn't really that great an accomplishment. That said, the offense has been awful - even when you include the one good game of offense against the Rams.
GeekHawk wrote:See? Everyone wans to be first on the bandwagon. Not the 'winner' bandwagon, the 'fire Schotty' bandwagon. At least I waited most of a season before starting to complain about bevel back in the day, I wasn't vocally all over him from the very start. At least as far as I remember.
getnasty wrote:Plus hate to be a downer but we are still in the bottom half of the league in points per game.
Chapow wrote:getnasty wrote:Plus hate to be a downer but we are still in the bottom half of the league in points per game.
And last year we were 11th in the league in points per game and this site was overrun with posts ranting about how awful our offense was and fire everyone. And yes, obviously there were problems, but at the end of the day we were the 11th highest scoring offense in the league and everyone was acting like we were the worst by far.
Also, even though we are 17th in the league in ppg right now, we are actually averaging more ppg than we were last season when we were 11th.
getnasty wrote:Ad Hawk wrote:RolandDeschain wrote:Wait, I thought Schottenheimer was already indicted by most of .NET prior to the start of the preseason? I'm confused.
People who were willing to give him a chance probably mostly kept quiet. The negative shouting-down was difficult to dialogue with.
I doubt there's much of a bandwagon yet.
Anyone who was even slightly optamstic about BS had no knowledge or his past where he has failed numerous times. I thought last game was a good one for him but let's not act like the previous 4 were any good. Hopefully the lines continues to improve, we stick to our identity and BS is closer to the guy that called the Rams game and not the Cardinals one.
TwistedHusky wrote:Red Zone Scoring % is a KPI.
It is an indicator.
What matters is scoring more points than the other team.
If it gets you hot and bothered to see we are doing a great job once we get in the RZ but we barely get there? Sure, whatever.
But we don't have our old defense so we better score some points. Unless you like being 7-9 but having an OMG RZ % for the few times we actually make it there.
Right now, we have a trend of 1 game where the offense did not completely suck. So until they do it for 3 games it probably does not matter until they do. No matter how many excuses people make for a crappy OC that had years of crappy offenses with plenty of apparently 'good' excuses as to why.
It does not change the reality that we have an OC with a track record of mediocre to terrible offenses (for a variety of reasons) and after apparently 1 game of not being terrible, but still not being able to muster a successful offense at the end of the game for a final drive we actually needed - people want hosannas heaped on our OC.
We had to improve our RZ %. We did. By apparently not getting in the RZ much and getting even worse on 3 and outs than before. Yay?
And last year we were #1 on 4th quarter scoring drive effectiveness. Want to guess what we are now?
Improving one thing and getting worse at something just as important is not improving. But it MIGHT be a sign they are getting their ish together so we will see what the next 3 games hold.
TwistedHusky wrote:Are 3 and outs statistically worse?
Not tremendously. But we sure are not improving.
We were 29th last year, now we are 30th. So statistically? No, the sample size is too low. We still have a full year to go but we have a number of very good teams to contend with shortly. But given the schedule? Unless things change, it will not get better - our opponents get much better after this 3 game stretch (not counting the 49ers).
It sure isn't improving. Which is a problem if you don't have a lights out defense. Especially because I do not believe that our defense is going to continue getting all these turnovers that are currently bailing them out more than any of us expected.
We are five games in. The offense looks bad. We had one good game of offense against a team that had a weakness that perfectly correlated to an area we want to emphasize. Can we keep that up?
Is the last game a trend, improvement or outlier? Nobody knows. But for all this supposed 'improvement' they couldn't make it work when they absolutely had to have it - in the 4th quarter. So what good is it?
If you want to run the ball and play defense to keep it close, you need a damned offense that can take the lead when it is close.
adeltaY wrote:Weren't we pretty good in the redzone last year even with the disaster of a run game we had? Jimmy was pretty damn reliable there once he and Russ got their goal line connection sorted out. Now that we can run it in from inside the five, we are looking even better, especially if we can get a reliable receiver in the RZ. That's why I wouldn't mind holding onto Marshall for a few weeks to see if he can fulfill that Graham role of being a great RZ threat, even if nothing else - he's certainly cheaper
mrt144 wrote:adeltaY wrote:Weren't we pretty good in the redzone last year even with the disaster of a run game we had? Jimmy was pretty damn reliable there once he and Russ got their goal line connection sorted out. Now that we can run it in from inside the five, we are looking even better, especially if we can get a reliable receiver in the RZ. That's why I wouldn't mind holding onto Marshall for a few weeks to see if he can fulfill that Graham role of being a great RZ threat, even if nothing else - he's certainly cheaper
According to some of the break out drive stats found on FO from 2017, the Seahawks were merely average in Pts/RZ @16.
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