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For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:49 pm
  • Just curious... who ya going to replace him with?

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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:02 pm
  • Eh. First-round draft picks are automatic sure things in haters' minds. Just pick a guy, can't possibly be worse than Wilson.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:06 pm
  • Not many options, but can someone please teach him what a throw-away is for damn sake!!
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:08 pm
  • northseahawk wrote:Not many options, but can someone please teach him what a throw-away is for damn sake!!



    That is the difference between Brady and Russ.
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:11 pm
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:11 pm
  • Not his best game but it wasn't the O-Line's best either.

    Add to it Carson wasn't 100% and we were back to spinning Russ version 18.4. Wilson really-really needs a strong running game to be at his best. When he said this season reminded him of 2012 I really think that's the vibe he meant even if he wasn't consciously thinking it. When he has to carry the load he struggles more. He's just not that kind of QB.

    He'll bounce back. Overall he's still having a very strong season.

    We played a better team today and were given the predictable result.

    Still have a shot at the playoffs.

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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:18 pm
  • Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:31 pm
  • Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:58 pm
  • I love all the haters that come out after a sub par performance by Russ as if everything amazing he has done before the bad game is negated.

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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:19 am
  • I don't hate Wilson...in fact sometimes I feel sorry for the little fella...Sunday he was the weakest link on offense. I have said for years that Wilson will have many QB stat records but will never be a HOF QB. He is just a little north of an OK QB.IMO
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:31 am
  • Not black enough :roll:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:56 am
  • What a pathetic joke this board has become after losses. People just waiting in the wings to bash on Russ.
    Unreal, but not at all surprising.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:41 am
  • flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.


    Rivers has Indeed been legit his whole career, but he also had HORRENDOUS games. I guess he’s a game manager too :lol: .
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:43 am
  • No, don't you get it? Only Russ has bad games. :roll:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:00 am
  • It's a QB's league and Wilson isn't playing well enough it's that simple . At some point you have to blow it up and start over maybe now's the time before the FO waste 100 million dollars on a QB that isn't playing well enough to make the playoffs anymore. At this point I have no confidence in Wilson's ability to win a big game against a good team. Were going to find out if these last few games were more about the level of competition and less about how good Wilson was playing.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:06 am
  • And just like that, the 5 game stretch where they looked like a damn good team means nothing :roll:
    This is still a good young team, just gonna' take their lumps off and on this year. And that's ok, they are improving overall and should be pretty good come December.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:12 am
  • People either bash or love wilson. He isnt in between with a lot of fans.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:31 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:What a pathetic joke this board has become after losses. People just waiting in the wings to bash on Russ.
    Unreal, but not at all surprising.


    More than not surprising. I'd say very predictable. It's always the same 10-15 people. :drool:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:35 am
  • The team had a crappy game, it happens. Plenty of ball to play, and we have zero control over it. Enjoy the ride, it's gonna' be up and down all year. And they are in every game they play, that's a good thing.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:40 am
  • flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.



    Rivers has not been legit his whole career imo. Even with decent stats he’s made game losing plays and bone headed mistakes. And he’s gotten little to no criticism for it in his 14 year career. Even when the AFC West was a cakewalk division. So no, Rivers was never that good to me. In comparison, Russ has done so much more with little credit from the national media and some of his own fans
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:47 am
  • It just really looks like Carson is the catalyst to this offense and if he's not in there Seattle's chances of scoring drop like a stone.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 am
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:It's a QB's league and Wilson isn't playing well enough it's that simple . At some point you have to blow it up and start over maybe now's the time before the FO waste 100 million dollars on a QB that isn't playing well enough to make the playoffs anymore. At this point I have no confidence in Wilson's ability to win a big game against a good team. Were going to find out if these last few games were more about the level of competition and less about how good Wilson was playing.


    That's the big question facing the organization (though not as big as the state of the team's future regarding ownership)

    Is Russ worth the next big payday at the expense of everything else? We won a Superbowl on the backs of a HOF defense and running game with Russ acting as an offensive manager and not necessarily an elite QB type. He had speed, athleticism, and an accurate arm, but wasn't called upon to carry the team and as a result the team flourished/dominated.

    That's his comfort zone. He's a 'manager' and I use that term as a positive not a negative.

    My fear is paying Russ the really big dollars means we don't see another Super Bowl with him here. A great team doesn't require a great QB - just a solid/competent one aka Wilson in 2012.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens.

    I also want to remind others that I warned of Wilson's longer term ability to play in the league. He's clearly slower now. That will only get worse. Thank goodness his O-Line protection is much improved but those few seasons of him getting hammered every game likely took at least a couple seasons off his career and quite possibly more.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:29 am
  • semiahmoo wrote:Not his best game but it wasn't the O-Line's best either.

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    Really? Did you miss the 5 minutes he had to throw on multiple occasions? Every QB in the league will face pressure

    In this game RW didn't throw it away properly, step up in the pocket and missed several throws (locket and brown come to mind)

    Still an elite, franchise QB - just not a good game

    The biggest issue the OL had was the TWO freaking after the play penalties
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:34 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.



    Rivers has not been legit his whole career imo. Even with decent stats he’s made game losing plays and bone headed mistakes. And he’s gotten little to no criticism for it in his 14 year career. Even when the AFC West was a cakewalk division. So no, Rivers was never that good to me. In comparison, Russ has done so much more with little credit from the national media and some of his own fans


    If you actually watch SD you also know that they suffered major injuries so many years, few legit targets besides Gates and Rivers has done it with a bad team surrounding him. That leads to gunslinger football at times which leads to interceptions

    All the analysts that actually watch the game agrees that Rivers is absolutely elite and has been for a very long time

    And yes as an NC State grad I am partial but I am also subject to having watched both Rivers and Russell for their whole college careers and a LOT in the NFL
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:35 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:
    flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.



    Rivers has not been legit his whole career imo. Even with decent stats he’s made game losing plays and bone headed mistakes. And he’s gotten little to no criticism for it in his 14 year career. Even when the AFC West was a cakewalk division. So no, Rivers was never that good to me. In comparison, Russ has done so much more with little credit from the national media and some of his own fans


    Rivers has had to play behind some awful OL's throughout much of his career. A much improved OL this year has made a huge difference in Rivers' play. As far as criticism goes, he's gotten his share of it on our board.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:44 pm
  • LTH wrote:Just curious... who ya going to replace him with?

    This I got to hear!

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    I think if you can get a legit offer of picks (two very high 1st rounds and two second round picks) then you have to consider it. But not because he's "not a top tier QB" - but because with the current team philosophy of "run the ball and play defense" THEN they will need a deep talented team with a young "cheap" QB (although "young" seems optional though more likely if he is "cheap") to have the best chances to win the Super Bowl. I don't think RW is going to WIN us a Super Bowl the way Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers could and I'm not sure you will be able to stack the team with enough talent and still pay him the money that he will certainly get (30M+ per year). Hell, TB12 even structured his contract to help the team if I remember correctly. I'm not hating on RW either because I think he can be a reason you make it to the Super Bowl but I don't think he going to win it in the way a TB12 can win it for you. Of course, I don't think we will get those draft picks but if a team like Cleveland or the Giants offered us those picks then I would consider it.

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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:04 pm
  • To Mikeak & Jachba


    Again, this only highlights my point. Which is that human bias is one hell of a thing. Phillip Rivers looks the part, he's a scouter's dream. And this allows many of you to overlook, or excuse Rivers while overly criticizing a guy like Russ who hardly looks the part of what many consider to be an NFL QB

    Rivers has thrown at least 18 interceptions 3 times in his career. He's thrown at least 15 interceptions 5 times in his career. In his TWELVE year career as a starter he's only made the playoffs FIVE TIMES. Five times???? In the AFC West???


    If Russell Wilson had those numbers, I can think of at least 5 .NET members off the top of my head who would question his intelligence, his ability to be a real QB. The National media/Fans would barely consider him top 10. Russ has a few bad games here and there and some are the first to pile on. Not to mention, many in the national media still believe he's overrated and/or not quite a "Great passer." The Sports Illustrated article (Andy Benoit), Pete Prisco, among others come to mind.

    But Rivers? 11 Tds to 9 Ints in the playoffs(Before 2013 it was 8 Tds to 9 Ints). Which is quite frankly, weak. Again, Russ would be hammered on here and laughed at around the league if he had those numbers. In 2016, the Chargers were 3-4 and by week 8, had a solid chance to make the playoffs. Rivers threw 17 more interceptions to finish the year. Doesn't also include his 5 lost fumbles.

    Russ has had amongst the worst O-lines in the league in the last few years statistically and still produced. Yet there are still people nitpicking him at every turn, suggesting he's not that great. But Rivers (and Luck for that matter) consistently escape national criticism because they look the part of a QB that most fans and pundits would want. It's bias imo, nothing more. The facts do not explain it
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:08 pm
  • semiahmoo wrote:
    Northwest Seahawk wrote:It's a QB's league and Wilson isn't playing well enough it's that simple . At some point you have to blow it up and start over maybe now's the time before the FO waste 100 million dollars on a QB that isn't playing well enough to make the playoffs anymore. At this point I have no confidence in Wilson's ability to win a big game against a good team. Were going to find out if these last few games were more about the level of competition and less about how good Wilson was playing.


    That's the big question facing the organization (though not as big as the state of the team's future regarding ownership)

    Is Russ worth the next big payday at the expense of everything else? We won a Superbowl on the backs of a HOF defense and running game with Russ acting as an offensive manager and not necessarily an elite QB type. He had speed, athleticism, and an accurate arm, but wasn't called upon to carry the team and as a result the team flourished/dominated.

    That's his comfort zone. He's a 'manager' and I use that term as a positive not a negative.

    My fear is paying Russ the really big dollars means we don't see another Super Bowl with him here. A great team doesn't require a great QB - just a solid/competent one aka Wilson in 2012.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens.

    I also want to remind others that I warned of Wilson's longer term ability to play in the league. He's clearly slower now. That will only get worse. Thank goodness his O-Line protection is much improved but those few seasons of him getting hammered every game likely took at least a couple seasons off his career and quite possibly more.



    So this is the dichotomy of Russel Wilson.

    His biggest team successes have come with a strong running game and defense. He didnt win it on their backs, but certainly had less to do. he's put MVP numbers from 2015-17 without that same running game and defense, and yet the team has suffered.

    So which is it?

    Because he's shown he's far better than above average, and certainly more than a game manager. But... when asked to do that, the team doesn't win.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:33 pm
  • Yep. If the Hawks win, it's only because the other team sucks or because he had a running game or the D saved him.
    If they Lose, it's only his fault. Got it
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:38 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yep. If the Hawks win, it's only because the other team sucks or because he had a running game or the D saved him.
    If they Lose, it's only his fault. Got it



    LMAO!!!! :lol:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:40 pm
  • Hey, it's the truth for many Hawks fans. Comical
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:59 am
  • Russell Wilson is the G.O.A.T. ....
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:02 pm
  • Aros wrote:I love all the haters that come out after a sub par performance by Russ as if everything amazing he has done before the bad game is negated.

    One word for you:

    Simpleton.

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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:10 pm
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:It's a QB's league and Wilson isn't playing well enough it's that simple . At some point you have to blow it up and start over maybe now's the time before the FO waste 100 million dollars on a QB that isn't playing well enough to make the playoffs anymore. At this point I have no confidence in Wilson's ability to win a big game against a good team. Were going to find out if these last few games were more about the level of competition and less about how good Wilson was playing.

    "It'[s that simple" hmm, really? simple?, simple---------------ton
    Now I can see where AROS is coming from, and where he came up with the term "SIMPLETON"
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm
  • Northwest Seahawk wrote:It just really looks like Carson is the catalyst to this offense and if he's not in there Seattle's chances of scoring drop like a stone.

    LAST YEAR!!, With a SHIT Offensive Line, dog dung Offensive Line Coaching, PISS-POOR Run / pass Blocking, LOUSY game planning from Bevell, A DAMNED JOKE of a Kicking Game by Walsh, Wilson still pulled off 9 wins.
    9 Wins WITHOUT Carson, THAT'S-->NINE<--.
    Sure would be nice to see another couple guys (besides Russell Wilson & an injured Doug Baldwin) STEP THE HELL UP.
    Never HAS BEEN, & NEVER WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL QUARTERBACK IN THE LEAGUE THAT CAN DO IT ALL--BY--THEMSELVES.....EVER!
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:37 pm
  • jachba wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.



    Rivers has not been legit his whole career imo. Even with decent stats he’s made game losing plays and bone headed mistakes. And he’s gotten little to no criticism for it in his 14 year career. Even when the AFC West was a cakewalk division. So no, Rivers was never that good to me. In comparison, Russ has done so much more with little credit from the national media and some of his own fans


    Rivers has had to play behind some awful OL's throughout much of his career. A much improved OL this year has made a huge difference in Rivers' play. As far as criticism goes, he's gotten his share of it on our board.

    AND, he's made his fair share of mistakes over the last 14 years too....They ALL do.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:42 pm
  • We could've had Jimmy G.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:05 pm
  • Well let’s hop second half Russell is better. He’s had a couple of stinkers already. Seems like some elite play could have won this game or the Denver game. But we haven’t beaten anyone good yet so we’ll have to wait. My eyes say he’s not as good as he used to be. Man I wish he’d take off running like the old days.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:30 am
  • i still think schotty should let russell call the plays in the huddle, and at the line of scrimmage.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:33 am
  • LTH wrote:Just curious... who ya going to replace him with?

    This I got to hear!

    LTH


    So this is the current state of our fan base. We’re not allowed to be critical of our veteran (7 year) 100 million dollar Qb’s regression because we don’t have a viable backup? :177692:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:24 am
  • I read through all the "anti" Wilson posts and I want to reply with well researched data and well thought intelligent statements. Unfortunately, I just don't have the time to gather all those things. Not to mention it seems I would have to do it time and time again depending on how many more games the team loses. What I did find was Rreaunai Lovett.
    Why this person is not on .Net is curious. This place would appreciate the info. Please take a minute and read through some of the comments made by Rreaunai.

    https://disqus.com/by/rreaunailovett/

    My favorite:
    "Aaron Rodgers has passed for 77 yards in a game, has had a few 3 INT games and games where he's completed less than 50% of his passes.
    That same argument the radio guy is making Rodgers does all the time.
    Look at all the playoff games where Rodgers disappears early (like the Seattle game where his defense handed him 5 turnovers and all he got was 1 TD in that title game).
    Look at his 2010 NFC title game in Chicago, the 2016 conference title game in Atlanta down 24-0 or the 2012 and 2013 playoff losses to Kaepernick-who outplayed Rodgers all three games they played (SF won all 3).
    Andrew Luck made one conference title game, couldn't even complete 40% of his passes or throw for 125 yards and led his team to 7 points with 2 INTs.
    Peyton Manning has thrown 6 INTs in a game twice.
    Check all the top QBs in the NFL (who have played 5 or more years) and Wilson is the one QB who has:
    (1) Never had more than 11 INTs in a year.
    (2) Never threw less than 20 TDs in a year.
    (3) Never completed less than 61% of his passes.
    (4) Never has had a passing rating lower than 92
    (5) Never had a TD-INT ratio that was less than a PLUS 10.
    Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Derek Carr, Ben Roethlisberger all have done 1 of those 5 facts I gave in a season."
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:29 am
  • Great post. But let's not let those FACTS that MD posted get in the way of how good Russ really is. Basically, he's not allowed to have bad games, while every great QB who has every played the game has had plenty of bad games. But he's Russ, so it's clearly not ok for him to ever play bad. :roll:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:33 am
  • Man, unbelievable! This guy is the best QB in Seattle's history. The only DARK thing is the constant negative comments from uninformed and illogical thoughts that are posted on this site and likely the reason this site was shut down for a while.

    The Seahawks have always been my team of choice and probably a lot of readers as well. Why do we have all these front runner fans that can't bring nothing but doom to this site when the Hawks lose? The Team will get up , dust themselves off and give a 100% effort next week. We as fans need to support this and inject positive thoughts. A lot of football to play yet. We will make the playoffs!
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:52 am
  • One of his strengths is his ability to have a very short memory and keep focusing on the next play or the next game. This type of thing will drive him. As a team, they are above average, but we are seeing that they have some real potential. But for someone to act like other QB's would magically have way more success on this team than Russ is just plain dumb.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:38 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Great post. But let's not let those FACTS that MD posted get in the way of how good Russ really is. Basically, he's not allowed to have bad games, while every great QB who has every played the game has had plenty of bad games. But he's Russ, so it's clearly not ok for him to ever play bad. :roll:


    Constantly bitching about people bitching about Wilson is also tiresome. Keep that in mind.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am
  • jachba wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:
    flmmkrz wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Some guy who's taller, plays like Kirk Cousins, and looks a lot like what a Quarterback is supposed to look like with good enough stats for people to make excuses for him

    Or a guy like Phillip Rivers. Another tall guy who puts up numbers and needs a ridiculously stacked team around him to make noise for maybe the 2nd time in his 14 year career :D


    I'm not going to shit on Russ, it was not a good game but he's a legit 2nd tier qb in this league after Brady and Erin but you are underselling Rivers. He has been legit his entire career. Any wins they had over those lean years were on his arm. He doesn't belong in the same breath as Cousins.



    Rivers has not been legit his whole career imo. Even with decent stats he’s made game losing plays and bone headed mistakes. And he’s gotten little to no criticism for it in his 14 year career. Even when the AFC West was a cakewalk division. So no, Rivers was never that good to me. In comparison, Russ has done so much more with little credit from the national media and some of his own fans


    Rivers has had to play behind some awful OL's throughout much of his career. A much improved OL this year has made a huge difference in Rivers' play. As far as criticism goes, he's gotten his share of it on our board.


    So lemme get this straight - a QB who seems like the platonic ideal many are pining for...is dependent on the rest of his team...to maximize his performance...to win games.

    There is a bizarre duality going on here where the standard for RW seems to be much much higher than those considered better and the standard for those considered better is washed away by the rest of the team.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:32 am
  • Let me double check to see if I care Zag......nope, still don't.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:43 pm
  • XxxZagnutxxX wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Great post. But let's not let those FACTS that MD posted get in the way of how good Russ really is. Basically, he's not allowed to have bad games, while every great QB who has every played the game has had plenty of bad games. But he's Russ, so it's clearly not ok for him to ever play bad. :roll:


    Constantly bitching about people bitching about Wilson is also tiresome. Keep that in mind.


    Wouldn't have to spend so much time defending him if there weren't so many people bitching. I'd be more that happy to post about something else.

    How about we all post about Bobby Wagner not being elite because Gordon ran all over us on Sunday? That never seems to be an issue. But Wilson has one of the best statistical games in team history one week and a poor game the next and he goes from MVP candidate to bum. It's enough to get whiplash.

    I'm still waiting for the Wilson haters to give me tangible examples of teams that got better by dumping a franchise QB in his prime. They rail against paying the guy but really have no alternative plan or evidence to support their position. The fact that teams have won SB's with JAG's at QB is not evidence to support dumping a franchise QB. It's evidence that occasionally you can get 21 other players to make up for a so-so QB. Majority of teams with crap at QB don't go anywhere.
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:09 pm
  • :sarcasm_on: :sarcasm_on: Sam Bradford is not too busy...... :sarcasm_off: :sarcasm_off: :irishdrinkers: :stirthepot:
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Re: For all the Wilson haters
Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:23 pm
  • XxxZagnutxxX wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Great post. But let's not let those FACTS that MD posted get in the way of how good Russ really is. Basically, he's not allowed to have bad games, while every great QB who has every played the game has had plenty of bad games. But he's Russ, so it's clearly not ok for him to ever play bad. :roll:


    Constantly bitching about people bitching about Wilson is also tiresome. Keep that in mind.


    Yes, but what about consistently bitching about consistently bitching about consistently bitching?
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