If Wilson isn't elite.....

AgentDib":1vtpvd16 said:

There's a misconception for some that "elite" QBs carry teams without any help. That's never been true in the NFL.

Tom Brady leaves value on the table so the team can put weapons around him. They turn over personnel pretty quickly but it's a rotating group of excellent players they bring in. Right now he has one of the best big targets of all in time in Gronk, along with Edelman and Josh Gordon.

The year that Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl with Indy? He had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark as receivers. Their defensive line had Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Tony McFarland and Raheem Brock.

The 2010 Packers had Greg Jennings and Donald Driver at receiver and an elite front seven on defense. They added Finley and then when Jennings left replaced him with Jordy Nelson. There have been some years when Rodgers didn't have many weapons (largely due to injuries at skill positions) or the defense has been bad, and the Packers haven't gone anywhere in those seasons.

Philip Rivers is having a career year and it just so happens that this year the rest of the team around him is the best it's been since he got there.

"Elite" is an arbitrary definition anyway but if your definition includes winning with no help then I've never seen an elite QB in the NFL.

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TheLegendOfBoom":6b8y6es7 said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

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Seanhawk":3jnaowxl said:

TheLegendOfBoom":3jnaowxl said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

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Oh now he's taking sacks to protect his QB rating? That's a new one. New, but still extremely dumb.

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TheLegendOfBoom":3ryzv4md said:

Seanhawk":3ryzv4md said:

TheLegendOfBoom":3ryzv4md said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

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Oh now he's taking sacks to protect his QB rating? That's a new one. New, but still extremely dumb.

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You've never heard of this before? It's not new.

When Wilsons agent gets his chance to negotiate a new contract, he can say Wilsons QB rating has been high.

Wilson holds onto the ball purposely to keep his completion percentage at a certain level.

Not new. It's been said.

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Seymour":23w1uau9 said:

TheLegendOfBoom":23w1uau9 said:

Seanhawk":23w1uau9 said:

TheLegendOfBoom":23w1uau9 said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

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Oh now he's taking sacks to protect his QB rating? That's a new one. New, but still extremely dumb.

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You've never heard of this before? It's not new.

When Wilsons agent gets his chance to negotiate a new contract, he can say Wilsons QB rating has been high.

Wilson holds onto the ball purposely to keep his completion percentage at a certain level.

Not new. It's been said.

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That is a load of crap! He holds onto the ball because he never gives up on making a play. You should watch him sometime, he makes many. :roll:

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Hawkfan509":20wl2qwe said:

AgentDib":20wl2qwe said:

There's a misconception for some that "elite" QBs carry teams without any help. That's never been true in the NFL.

Tom Brady leaves value on the table so the team can put weapons around him. They turn over personnel pretty quickly but it's a rotating group of excellent players they bring in. Right now he has one of the best big targets of all in time in Gronk, along with Edelman and Josh Gordon.

The year that Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl with Indy? He had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark as receivers. Their defensive line had Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Tony McFarland and Raheem Brock.

The 2010 Packers had Greg Jennings and Donald Driver at receiver and an elite front seven on defense. They added Finley and then when Jennings left replaced him with Jordy Nelson. There have been some years when Rodgers didn't have many weapons (largely due to injuries at skill positions) or the defense has been bad, and the Packers haven't gone anywhere in those seasons.

Philip Rivers is having a career year and it just so happens that this year the rest of the team around him is the best it's been since he got there.

"Elite" is an arbitrary definition anyway but if your definition includes winning with no help then I've never seen an elite QB in the NFL.

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Yes this
Well done Sir/Mam

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TheLegendOfBoom":ofldvb4f said:

Seanhawk":ofldvb4f said:

TheLegendOfBoom":ofldvb4f said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

Click to expand...

Oh now he's taking sacks to protect his QB rating? That's a new one. New, but still extremely dumb.

Click to expand...

You've never heard of this before? It's not new.

When Wilsons agent gets his chance to negotiate a new contract, he can say Wilsons QB rating has been high.

Wilson holds onto the ball purposely to keep his completion percentage at a certain level.

Not new. It's been said.

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Ambrose83":mpbhm6rt said:

TheLegendOfBoom":mpbhm6rt said:

Seanhawk":mpbhm6rt said:

TheLegendOfBoom":mpbhm6rt said:

Do elite QBs protect their QB rating by taking a sack, or do they throw ball away?

Elite QBs make good decisions. Wilson has a tendency to hold onto the ball way too long and usually results in a sack with loss yards.

Click to expand...

Oh now he's taking sacks to protect his QB rating? That's a new one. New, but still extremely dumb.

Click to expand...

You've never heard of this before? It's not new.

When Wilsons agent gets his chance to negotiate a new contract, he can say Wilsons QB rating has been high.

Wilson holds onto the ball purposely to keep his completion percentage at a certain level.

Not new. It's been said.

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I think with forums there is a acceptable level of stupid.... This however far exceeds that .

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AgentDib":ceauy6jm said:

There's a misconception for some that "elite" QBs carry teams without any help. That's never been true in the NFL.

Tom Brady leaves value on the table so the team can put weapons around him. They turn over personnel pretty quickly but it's a rotating group of excellent players they bring in. Right now he has one of the best big targets of all in time in Gronk, along with Edelman and Josh Gordon.

The year that Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl with Indy? He had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark as receivers. Their defensive line had Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Tony McFarland and Raheem Brock.

The 2010 Packers had Greg Jennings and Donald Driver at receiver and an elite front seven on defense. They added Finley and then when Jennings left replaced him with Jordy Nelson. There have been some years when Rodgers didn't have many weapons (largely due to injuries at skill positions) or the defense has been bad, and the Packers haven't gone anywhere in those seasons.

Philip Rivers is having a career year and it just so happens that this year the rest of the team around him is the best it's been since he got there.

"Elite" is an arbitrary definition anyway but if your definition includes winning with no help then I've never seen an elite QB in the NFL.

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RCATES":3km0tjsv said:

Give Rodgers this offense they would be 8-0. He would have a hay day with all the open receivers. Comparing Wilson to Rodgers is laughable at best. Wilson just looks flat awful in half of his games the past two years. I've never seen Rodgers look that lost and wildly inaccurate in a game ever. Rodgers also has the ability to climb the pocket and make plays like most good Qb's. Wilson just panics and kills the drive with 15 yard loss sacks.

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Ambrose83":glaayqz3 said:

Then how is Rodgers this season? You can't tell me the packers have less talent then us and yet the are 3-4-1...... Which for those counting is worse then 4-4....... Why don't you guys look at Rodgers numbers vs good d's..... This may be a shock but Hes mortal too and has had games far worse then last Sunday for RW. I Can't fathom the hate for our qb... He is our first and best franchise qb...... Do all of you recall how it used to be?

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Sign37now":33tma5h4 said:

Ambrose83":33tma5h4 said:

Then how is Rodgers this season? You can't tell me the packers have less talent then us and yet the are 3-4-1...... Which for those counting is worse then 4-4....... Why don't you guys look at Rodgers numbers vs good d's..... This may be a shock but Hes mortal too and has had games far worse then last Sunday for RW. I Can't fathom the hate for our qb... He is our first and best franchise qb...... Do all of you recall how it used to be?

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No, most of these clowns jumped on the bandwagon circa 2012/13. IMO.

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MontanaHawk05":rkmvzk86 said:

RCATES":rkmvzk86 said:

Give Rodgers this offense they would be 8-0. He would have a hay day with all the open receivers. Comparing Wilson to Rodgers is laughable at best. Wilson just looks flat awful in half of his games the past two years. I've never seen Rodgers look that lost and wildly inaccurate in a game ever. Rodgers also has the ability to climb the pocket and make plays like most good Qb's. Wilson just panics and kills the drive with 15 yard loss sacks.

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You've just described about 10% of his games.

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