What Does It Take To Win The SB?

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There is precedent for WC teams to win and we should know as one of them was the 2005 Stealers. The key ingredients are a hot streak to end the season, a scrappy defense and an elite QB. Does Seattle have what it takes to make it?

QB Play - Russel has great statistics this year with 34 TDs, 6 Ints and 3,400 yards. Anyone watching the whole season knows that Wilson can be lights out (last night) or simply ho-hum (San Fran, Minnesota). The pass into the helmet at SF, the 20-yard run backwards rabbit sacks (all season) and the heinous pick before the half at Minnesota come to mind. Can Russel Wilson put together four DangerRuss games in a row to end the season. If yes, why not us?

Carson, the O-line and Schotty - Every game has ebbs and flows. Even with Russ having an overall solid game, there might be a quarter where he misses a few throws (Baldwin last night to put it on ice) and that's where Carson comes in. Can we get 4-5 yards on first, miss a bomb and come back for a run or catch out of the backfield on third for a first down? If yes, why not us?

The Intermediate Passing Game - If the Hawks want to win the whole thing they will do it by beating some stout running defenses (Saints-1, Bears-2, Dallas-5). Seattle loves play action, but it doesn't fool anyone unless Carson and company can get those 4-6 yards on 1st or 2nd down. If the opposing team is stacking the box, RW has to incorporate slants, quick outs and screen passes into the repertoire for get some breathing room against and keep the defense from stacking the ox with 8 on early downs.

The Pass Rush - Seattle just has to do enough. Last night, Dion Jordan was the only Hawk with a sack and the team only had three tackles for a loss. Yet watching the game you would see that the pocket got crunched in a similar pattern play after play for for the chiefs. Mahone's left edge would crumple in, the right edge would loop behind and he would flush forward and right repeatedly. While the rush didn't get home per se, it was enough to throw off his mechanics and result in 4-5 balls going into the dirt or being overthrown.

Special Teams - This is the tail of two players. BB Dickson is going to the pro-bowl as our only starter while Janikowski might be nursing a tight back following his fall. SeaBass needs to find his directional control and back of the end zone umph to stymy the long runbacks. The guy is 11/11 in the second half so I'm not worried about him being clutch. Hit the ones that are gimmies (35 yards and in) and avoid big kick returns. BBD - just be you.

This is a tall order and hence why few Wild Cards win the whole thing. The team has some holes in a rebuilding year, but if they can paper over them by hitting on all cylinders for four games, we can win the whole thing.

What are you guys seeing as the key factors?
 

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falcongoggles":313lrlz0 said:
There is precedent for WC teams to win and we should know as one of them was the 2005 Stealers. The key ingredients are a hot streak to end the season, a scrappy defense and an elite QB. Does Seattle have what it takes to make it?

QB Play - Russel has great statistics this year with 34 TDs, 6 Ints and 3,400 yards. Anyone watching the whole season knows that Wilson can be lights out (last night) or simply ho-hum (San Fran, Minnesota). The pass into the helmet at SF, the 20-yard run backwards rabbit sacks (all season) and the heinous pick before the half at Minnesota come to mind. Can Russel Wilson put together four DangerRuss games in a row to end the season. If yes, why not us?

Carson, the O-line and Schotty - Every game has ebbs and flows. Even with Russ having an overall solid game, there might be a quarter where he misses a few throws (Baldwin last night to put it on ice) and that's where Carson comes in. Can we get 4-5 yards on first, miss a bomb and come back for a run or catch out of the backfield on third for a first down? If yes, why not us?

The Intermediate Passing Game - If the Hawks want to win the whole thing they will do it by beating some stout running defenses (Saints-1, Bears-2, Dallas-5). Seattle loves play action, but it doesn't fool anyone unless Carson and company can get those 4-6 yards on 1st or 2nd down. If the opposing team is stacking the box, RW has to incorporate slants, quick outs and screen passes into the repertoire for get some breathing room against and keep the defense from stacking the ox with 8 on early downs.

The Pass Rush - Seattle just has to do enough. Last night, Dion Jordan was the only Hawk with a sack and the team only had three tackles for a loss. Yet watching the game you would see that the pocket got crunched in a similar pattern play after play for for the chiefs. Mahone's left edge would crumple in, the right edge would loop behind and he would flush forward and right repeatedly. While the rush didn't get home per se, it was enough to throw off his mechanics and result in 4-5 balls going into the dirt or being overthrown.

Special Teams - This is the tail of two players. BB Dickson is going to the pro-bowl as our only starter while Janikowski might be nursing a tight back following his fall. SeaBass needs to find his directional control and back of the end zone umph to stymy the long runbacks. The guy is 11/11 in the second half so I'm not worried about him being clutch. Hit the ones that are gimmies (35 yards and in) and avoid big kick returns. BBD - just be you.

This is a tall order and hence why few Wild Cards win the whole thing. The team has some holes in a rebuilding year, but if they can paper over them by hitting on all cylinders for four games, we can win the whole thing.

What are you guys seeing as the key factors?

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1. Franchise QB: We definitely have one of the best all-time.

2. A solid run game: The playoffs are in the winter and rarely does a QB throw well on skates. The run eats the clock. It
plays keep away.

3. A defense that is coached well enough to mask deficiencies. Injuries and substitutions. Half time adjustments.

4. Winning enough games to win the division. Playing on the road is difficult in the NFL. Its rare for a Wild Card to go far.

5. Attention to detail. Special teams this year are buoyed by our punter. Coverage has been poor. Wouldn't it be ironic if we
didn't get to the SB because the Vikes traded ahead of us to get the highest ranked young kicker?

6. Timing: Being hot and being healthy at the right time.

7. The Cowboys or anyone I guarantee you none wants a piece of us.
 
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I would add penalties - Seattle had three last night. Compared that to 15-148 against the 9ers and there is the difference. On the flip side, Baldwin and Lockett are masters at drawing OPI.
 

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Pros:

There is just enough championship pedigree left in this Seattle team to lead the way. Specifically Wilson, Wagner, Wright, and Baldwin.

The current coaching staff is probably the best, as a collective group, in Carroll's tenure.

The youthful inexperience at key positions is becoming more veteran like with each passing week. I have seen marked improvement from the youngsters, especially on defense and at receiver.

The high flying offenses at the top of the league are not playing at the same level they were a month ago.

Chis Carson is running like a mad man. Especially in short yardage situations. There isn't a huge drop off when he needs a breather.

The Seattle receivers don't drop the ball much. Get the ball in their area, and they are likely to come down with it.

It helps to have the best punter in the league when your game plan is centered on field position.

Because of Seattle's ability to effectively run the ball, there is no set of receivers in the league that gets more "one on one" coverage. The opportunity for big plays from the play action pass will always be there.


Cons:

Occasionally, Wilson can have one of those games where he repeatedly holds on to the ball a half second to long and gets sacked at critical junctures of the game.

Seattle's home field advantage may be the best in all of football. None of their playoff games will likely be at home.

I simply do not trust the field gaol kicker in a game winning situation.

The defensive backfield can have communication lapses at times. They will completely blow coverages a few time a game.

To compound the situation, the defensive backfield will occasionally miss tackles. Bubble screens can go for 15-20 instead of 5-10 because of a single missed tackle.

Penalties. They seem to come in droves. Wilson and Carson can move the sticks if you don't give them unmanageable "down and distance" The defense can get off the field easy enough if they don't let the other team off the hook with free first downs.
 

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falcongoggles":3odycsm0 said:
QB Play - Russel has great statistics this year with 34 TDs, 6 Ints and 3,400 yards. Anyone watching the whole season knows that Wilson can be lights out (last night) or simply ho-hum (San Fran, Minnesota).

I'll give you Minnesota and Arizona as ho-hum games, but I can't work out which of his games was ho-hum against SF.

The one he completed only 11 passes but tossed 4 TDs and 185 yards, or the one where he completed 74% of his passes for 237 yards, 2 TDs and 0 ints?

If that's ho-hum I'll take a ho-hum QB any day of the week!
 
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themunn":2okjjz20 said:
falcongoggles":2okjjz20 said:
QB Play - Russel has great statistics this year with 34 TDs, 6 Ints and 3,400 yards. Anyone watching the whole season knows that Wilson can be lights out (last night) or simply ho-hum (San Fran, Minnesota).

I'll give you Minnesota and Arizona as ho-hum games, but I can't work out which of his games was ho-hum against SF.

The one he completed only 11 passes but tossed 4 TDs and 185 yards, or the one where he completed 74% of his passes for 237 yards, 2 TDs and 0 ints?

If that's ho-hum I'll take a ho-hum QB any day of the week!

His stats in the recent SF game were fine, but he had a couple of boneheaded plays that cost us drives and possibly the game. He took a 20-yard rabbit sack going backwards and had a half-throw, pump pass that bounced off a defender helmet. Easily could have been a fumble.
 

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Mick063":1kqro15h said:
Pros:

There is just enough championship pedigree left in this Seattle team to lead the way. Specifically Wilson, Wagner, Wright, and Baldwin.

The current coaching staff is probably the best, as a collective group, in Carroll's tenure.

The youthful inexperience at key positions is becoming more veteran like with each passing week. I have seen marked improvement from the youngsters, especially on defense and at receiver.

The high flying offenses at the top of the league are not playing at the same level they were a month ago.

Chis Carson is running like a mad man. Especially in short yardage situations. There isn't a huge drop off when he needs a breather.

The Seattle receivers don't drop the ball much. Get the ball in their area, and they are likely to come down with it.

It helps to have the best punter in the league when your game plan is centered on field position.

Because of Seattle's ability to effectively run the ball, there is no set of receivers in the league that gets more "one on one" coverage. The opportunity for big plays from the play action pass will always be there.


Cons:

Occasionally, Wilson can have one of those games where he repeatedly holds on to the ball a half second to long and gets sacked at critical junctures of the game.

Seattle's home field advantage may be the best in all of football. None of their playoff games will likely be at home.

I simply do not trust the field gaol kicker in a game winning situation.

The defensive backfield can have communication lapses at times. They will completely blow coverages a few time a game.

To compound the situation, the defensive backfield will occasionally miss tackles. Bubble screens can go for 15-20 instead of 5-10 because of a single missed tackle.

Penalties. They seem to come in droves. Wilson and Carson can move the sticks if you don't give them unmanageable "down and distance" The defense can get off the field easy enough if they don't let the other team off the hook with free first downs.

Gotta add the kick coverage to your cons. A TD last week only to nearly squander a virtually 99.9% win due to another blown coverage the next is so much bs i can't even fathom the sucktitude.
 

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Optimus25":3p403vip said:
Mick063":3p403vip said:
Pros:

There is just enough championship pedigree left in this Seattle team to lead the way. Specifically Wilson, Wagner, Wright, and Baldwin.

The current coaching staff is probably the best, as a collective group, in Carroll's tenure.

The youthful inexperience at key positions is becoming more veteran like with each passing week. I have seen marked improvement from the youngsters, especially on defense and at receiver.

The high flying offenses at the top of the league are not playing at the same level they were a month ago.

Chis Carson is running like a mad man. Especially in short yardage situations. There isn't a huge drop off when he needs a breather.

The Seattle receivers don't drop the ball much. Get the ball in their area, and they are likely to come down with it.

It helps to have the best punter in the league when your game plan is centered on field position.

Because of Seattle's ability to effectively run the ball, there is no set of receivers in the league that gets more "one on one" coverage. The opportunity for big plays from the play action pass will always be there.


Cons:

Occasionally, Wilson can have one of those games where he repeatedly holds on to the ball a half second to long and gets sacked at critical junctures of the game.

Seattle's home field advantage may be the best in all of football. None of their playoff games will likely be at home.

I simply do not trust the field gaol kicker in a game winning situation.

The defensive backfield can have communication lapses at times. They will completely blow coverages a few time a game.

To compound the situation, the defensive backfield will occasionally miss tackles. Bubble screens can go for 15-20 instead of 5-10 because of a single missed tackle.

Penalties. They seem to come in droves. Wilson and Carson can move the sticks if you don't give them unmanageable "down and distance" The defense can get off the field easy enough if they don't let the other team off the hook with free first downs.

Gotta add the kick coverage to your cons. A TD last week only to nearly squander a virtually 99.9% win due to another blown coverage the next is so much bs i can't even fathom the sucktitude.

Agreed!
 

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Things going our way like last night and it takes one big thing also..LUCK
 

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How do you replace half a pro bowl defense and almost all of the coaching staff and still remain a contender for the SB?

Simple... Find young players that have the need to prove their worth, that fit your scheme and will buy into the system head over heals. create a locker room atmosphere with key veterans that understand how to be a champions such as Wilson, Bobby Wagner and Angry Doug to set the tone of the season through example to teach the young players how to be savage, to teach the young players how to work through adversity and build the mind set that it takes to be a champion.

Hire coaches such as Mike Solari and Ken Norton jr who also have been on or coached championship teams and have bought into the system... As well an offensive coordinator that has great experience and completely knows the game and is a great motivator.

Have a GM that understands the scheme and understands what type of players to pick to fit that scheme as well a scouting dept. who can find those players and the attributes desired...

Have a coach like Carroll who is a MASTER at motivation and the mental side of the game... a coach that is a MASTER of communication and totally understands what it takes mentally and physically to be a Superbowl champion...A coach that understands people and how to get the very best out of them.... A coach that has probably seen just about every situation in the game... a coach that protects his locker room from negativity and controls the mind set of his team at all times...

LTH
 

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Run the ball, win the turnover battle and don't give up big plays. Look no further then the Chiefs game
 

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Health, Hungry Players that are not playing for the Business of football but to be the best, a Coach and Front office that gets players that fit your system and not players you try to mold to be something they have not been, then the chemistry of the team, good chemistry and being able to come together offense and defense and special teams supporting each other as well as challenging each other every day.

An Elite QB is icing on the cake and it is much easier with one, but it can be done without one, Flacco, Dilfer, Kaep got the 49ers to a Bowl, Ferragamo went to one and didn't win as well, these are just examples of good teams
 

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homerun1970":1laozan6 said:
IndyHawk":1laozan6 said:
Things going our way like last night and it takes one big thing also..LUCK

Figures an Indy guy had to go and bring up Luck. :sarcasm_on:
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Pounding the rock and eating up that clock is immensely important. Also, the experience factor plays a role in the playoffs as well. Have Russ under center, been there done that many times, along with enough guys who already have playoff experience. Also, the bend don't break thing is huge for this team imo. Keep teams to 3's and put up touchdowns. Keep the penalties down w/out a doubt. Do all that and this team could beat anyone. Including the paper champion Rams and the Saints (who I think are going to win it all)
 
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