It's not Schotty. It's Pete.

Annual reminder.

Pete is the reason we win and the reason we lose. He's done amazing work with our personnel turnover and I'm excited to see whom we get in the draft/offseason and whom we develop from the existing roster.

But he's also the other edge of the sword. Today he placed more value in consistency and "playing football our way" than he did winning. He doesn't like to adapt, and in the NFL that kills you. Run, run, run against a defense stacking the box, on a 6-0 streak at home, that's #5 in DVOA or something ridiculous like that.

Schotty did what he was told (a few boneheaded calls notwithstanding). Bevell did what he was told.

They won, but not enough.

Let's see if next year, Pete can recruit enough talent to overcome his pride.

I don't think we'll ever win again with Pete at the helm for this reason. He's too stubborn.

I disagree..

People lauded Pete for letting Schotty take the reigns. This was the result.

If its Pete its because he hired Schotty

NFSeahawks628":1ah6gl1t said:

I don't think we'll ever win again with Pete at the helm for this reason. He's too stubborn.

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We did once; I think we can again. We need more talent next year.

But Wilson is making up for a lot.

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

This was a Jets mark Sanchez led effort. Nothing else describes this. Any tough game for his offense couldn’t do anything if running the ball didn’t work. Passing game was there all day and he took the ball out of Russell’s hands.

This is definitely on Pete but It's still one bad game.

MontanaHawk05":1b9gvb5k said:

Annual reminder.

Pete is the reason we win and the reason we lose. He's done amazing work with our personnel turnover and I'm excited to see whom we get in the draft/offseason and whom we develop from the existing roster.

But he's also the other edge of the sword. Today he placed more value in consistency and "playing football our way" than he did winning. He doesn't like to adapt, and in the NFL that kills you. Run, run, run against a defense stacking the box, on a 6-0 streak at home, that's #5 in DVOA or something ridiculous like that.

Schotty did what he was told (a few boneheaded calls notwithstanding). Bevell did what he was told.

They won, but not enough.

Let's see if next year, Pete can recruit enough talent to overcome his pride.

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Nope, to him getting within 1 score juatifies the way he wants to play. He will say, we needed one more stop, a little, more time. We are stuck for 2 more years. They could also be real bad depending on how they handle Wilson.

We don't get called for DPI on Wright and it's a different game if you ask me. It's how these tight matches go. Play here or there determines it.

But we definitely took too long to move away from the run game that was failing miserably.

mistaowen":3rhff9us said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

This was a Jets mark Sanchez led effort. Nothing else describes this. Any tough game for his offense couldn’t do anything if running the ball didn’t work. Passing game was there all day and he took the ball out of Russell’s hands.

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You hit the nail on the head, they had no trouble passing when it wasnt third and long.

Probably stuck to the run too long. Hind sight is 20-20

MontanaHawk05":2ztrqqv4 said:

Annual reminder.

Pete is the reason we win and the reason we lose. He's done amazing work with our personnel turnover and I'm excited to see whom we get in the draft/offseason and whom we develop from the existing roster.

But he's also the other edge of the sword. Today he placed more value in consistency and "playing football our way" than he did winning. He doesn't like to adapt, and in the NFL that kills you. Run, run, run against a defense stacking the box, on a 6-0 streak at home, that's #5 in DVOA or something ridiculous like that.

Schotty did what he was told (a few boneheaded calls notwithstanding). Bevell did what he was told.

They won, but not enough.

Let's see if next year, Pete can recruit enough talent to overcome his pride.

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Good post that makes valid points.

Schotty has to deserve some of the blame but it seemed clear Pete had a mindset going in and Schotty was likely following orders. Perhaps Pete reasserted more control come playoffs? His ego is well known. Possible. Perhaps even likely.

It was definitely one of the flattest offensive schemes for the entire season.

That said, our D was pushed around some as well. Not as flat as the offense but not the hungry youngins we've come to love this past season.

In the end Dallas was clearly the better team overall and the better team won.

mistaowen":3rmdpxf7 said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

This was a Jets mark Sanchez led effort. Nothing else describes this. Any tough game for his offense couldn’t do anything if running the ball didn’t work. Passing game was there all day and he took the ball out of Russell’s hands.

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How we continued to run the ball when it wasn't working, to the same spot and the same part of their line. It's been messaged were a run first team even when it's not working.

semiahmoo":td7608wr said:

MontanaHawk05":td7608wr said:

Annual reminder.

Pete is the reason we win and the reason we lose. He's done amazing work with our personnel turnover and I'm excited to see whom we get in the draft/offseason and whom we develop from the existing roster.

But he's also the other edge of the sword. Today he placed more value in consistency and "playing football our way" than he did winning. He doesn't like to adapt, and in the NFL that kills you. Run, run, run against a defense stacking the box, on a 6-0 streak at home, that's #5 in DVOA or something ridiculous like that.

Schotty did what he was told (a few boneheaded calls notwithstanding). Bevell did what he was told.

They won, but not enough.

Let's see if next year, Pete can recruit enough talent to overcome his pride.

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Good post that makes valid points.

Schotty has to deserve some of the blame but it seemed clear Pete had a mindset going in and Schotty was likely following orders. Perhaps Pete reasserted more control come playoffs? His ego is well known. Possible. Perhaps even likely.

It was definitely one of the flattest offensive schemes for the entire season.

That said, our D was pushed around some as well. Not as flat as the offense but not the hungry youngins we've come to love this past season.

In the end Dallas was clearly the better team overall and the better team won.

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Coaching wins games and Seattle get's outcoached alot. The defense played well enough to win with a competent offense on the other side. You cannot have 4-5 3 and outs in the playoffs. Got to find more consistency on offense one of these years.

NFSeahawks628":s4ofrvqq said:

mistaowen":s4ofrvqq said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

This was a Jets mark Sanchez led effort. Nothing else describes this. Any tough game for his offense couldn’t do anything if running the ball didn’t work. Passing game was there all day and he took the ball out of Russell’s hands.

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How we continued to run the ball when it wasn't working, to the same spot and the same part of their line. It's been messaged were a run first team even when it's not working.

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Any discussion of “Pete” controlling the offense goes out the door when they got the punt at the 40 and went run, run, run, fourth down deep pass. Pete 100% takes a shot on first or second down.

mistaowen":3pgvnvhz said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

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That isn't the way Pete operates. He doesn't micromanage the play calls, but there's no way he doesn't mandate the philosophy.

Since Day 1, we've known, from media literature all over the place and every interview ever seen, that Pete is a strong hands-on guy. He doesn't surrender that much freedom to anyone. He surrendered more than he felt comfortable with to Cable, he said, and I'm guessing he wasn't likely to do that again.

We're all going to prefer to criticize Schotty because we have the sense that he's more replaceable. We don't want to think about getting rid of Pete because his departure would deprive the team of a LOT.

But that sense doesn't have any bearing on whether Pete is actually responsible for this. What we saw today, on the field, is 100% Pete-philosophy. Run the ball, play action, play "football our way".

semiahmoo":17id93h6 said:

MontanaHawk05":17id93h6 said:

Annual reminder.

Pete is the reason we win and the reason we lose. He's done amazing work with our personnel turnover and I'm excited to see whom we get in the draft/offseason and whom we develop from the existing roster.

But he's also the other edge of the sword. Today he placed more value in consistency and "playing football our way" than he did winning. He doesn't like to adapt, and in the NFL that kills you. Run, run, run against a defense stacking the box, on a 6-0 streak at home, that's #5 in DVOA or something ridiculous like that.

Schotty did what he was told (a few boneheaded calls notwithstanding). Bevell did what he was told.

They won, but not enough.

Let's see if next year, Pete can recruit enough talent to overcome his pride.

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Good post that makes valid points.

Schotty has to deserve some of the blame but it seemed clear Pete had a mindset going in and Schotty was likely following orders. Perhaps Pete reasserted more control come playoffs? His ego is well known. Possible. Perhaps even likely.

It was definitely one of the flattest offensive schemes for the entire season.

That said, our D was pushed around some as well. Not as flat as the offense but not the hungry youngins we've come to love this past season.

In the end Dallas was clearly the better team overall and the better team won.

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So much hypocrisy

It's fair to criticize the gameplan (and specifically the stubborn playcalling) in this game.

But to say we are "stuck" with Pete for two more years?

Cmon, we are better than this. This team was 10-6 against all odds largely because of Pete.

He's not perfect, but he's a dang good coach. He deserves criticsm today, but lets not go overboard and start pretending wed be better off without him :roll:

MontanaHawk05":1170j2gu said:

mistaowen":1170j2gu said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

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That isn't the way Pete operates. He doesn't micromanage the play calls, but there's no way he doesn't mandate the philosophy.

Since Day 1, we've known, from media literature all over the place and every interview ever seen, that Pete is a strong hands-on guy. He doesn't surrender that much freedom to anyone. He surrendered more than he felt comfortable with to Cable, he said, and I'm guessing he wasn't likely to do that again.

We're all going to prefer to criticize Schotty because we have the sense that he's more replaceable. We don't want to think about getting rid of Pete because his departure would deprive the team of a LOT.

But that sense doesn't have any bearing on whether Pete is actually responsible for this. What we saw today, on the field, is 100% Pete-philosophy. Run the ball, play action, play "football our way".

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This is true. Great when we win but painfully obvious when we don't.

Look, there has been some talk that goes like this:

Did we exceed expectations this season because of Pete or in spite of him?

It's a valid question. Those who don't like it being asked aren't fans but blind devotees. After a certain number of seasons this is how Pete's career has gone - teams adapt to his scheme and he seems to struggle to further adapt to those adaptations.

Not meant to slag on Pete but to discuss reality.

Our team did not appear prepared tonight. Offense was flat, Defense was better but marginally so.

Dallas played much more intensely. That said, it was still reasonably close (though not really as close as the final score would indicate)

We were a better team for the season than most thought we would be prior to the season but were never a SB-caliber team.

Let's see what the offseason brings.

mistaowen":2f10p7s8 said:

Pete admittedly gave up his input to the offensive side. You’re pushing this.

This was a Jets mark Sanchez led effort. Nothing else describes this. Any tough game for his offense couldn’t do anything if running the ball didn’t work. Passing game was there all day and he took the ball out of Russell’s hands.

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So Pete just watched this go down quarter after quarter, and didn't do anything about it?

I don't think so.

Either it's Pete's fault for doing nothing and letting it happen, or it's Pete's fault for having a big hand in the gameplan.

It's still his fault at the end of the day.

If I were placing my bet, I would place it on Pete having a big hand in the gameplan. And Schotty following orders.

It's not Pete it's the O-line. Were a running team and we couldn't run the ball tonight on the road in the playoffs it's usually a loss it was.

First it was Bevell. Then it was Schotty. Keep blaming everyone other than who is the common denominators. Once the Hawks paid RW they became mediocre. That may be good enough for some.