Personnel or Coaches

Seattle would have beat th Rams with either. You make the call...

Maybe but it's a moot point since they couldn't beat the Cowboys when it mattered.

The Rams use play action and the threat of the run so effectively I’m a little jealous. They’ll play action all day and just gash teams through the air. Then when you least expect it gash you on the ground. Screw analytics, just the threat of Gurley opens up the passing game

Personnel, but ST coaching has been wanting.

a little of both.

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

Spin Doctor":7yaoe3wy said:

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

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100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

KARAVARUS":evrubaml said:

Spin Doctor":evrubaml said:

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

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100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

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We dont have the talent to look like the Rams. We dont have the Oline or discipline to execute like that.

KARAVARUS":j4lllxwj said:

Spin Doctor":j4lllxwj said:

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

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100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

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This agreed that is what we should be.

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

IndyHawk":2mvh5ygs said:

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

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Fine want to play the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

John63":3ql0cnna said:

IndyHawk":3ql0cnna said:

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

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Fine want to pay the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

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Our scheme was fine, it was the injuries that derailed things and by that I mean starters and our depth. Have your O line injured and you won't go far, have your O line injured and the key back ups also injured and then hoping that guys playing out of position can hel isn't going to cut it in a playoff game.


You all would not have given us much of a chance if Wilson was out of the game, having his protection and Run blockers hurt is not quite the same but very important to winning chances.

chris98251":3dhewklx said:

John63":3dhewklx said:

IndyHawk":3dhewklx said:

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

Click to expand...

Fine want to pay the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

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Our scheme was fine, it was the injuries that derailed things and by that I mean starters and our depth. Have your O line injured and you won't go far, have your O line injured and the key back ups also injured and then hoping that guys playing out of position can hel isn't going to cut it in a playoff game.


You all would not have given us much of a chance if Wilson was out of the game, having his protection and Run blockers hurt is not quite the same but very important to winning chances.

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Actually, no the scheme was not fine because they did not take into account the injuries something else Pete said. When they finally made adjustments it was too late.

John63":2owpcn9v said:

chris98251":2owpcn9v said:

John63":2owpcn9v said:

IndyHawk":2owpcn9v said:

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

Click to expand...

Fine want to pay the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

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Our scheme was fine, it was the injuries that derailed things and by that I mean starters and our depth. Have your O line injured and you won't go far, have your O line injured and the key back ups also injured and then hoping that guys playing out of position can hel isn't going to cut it in a playoff game.


You all would not have given us much of a chance if Wilson was out of the game, having his protection and Run blockers hurt is not quite the same but very important to winning chances.

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Actually, no the scheme was not fine because they did not take into account the injuries something else Pete said. When they finally made adjustments it was too late.

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How do you come up with three linemnan that know the system before a game on short notice, you can't pass block due to injury, they tried to do the run game but came up short due to injury. Be happy they did as well as they did and have something to build on next year rather then try to cut off Pete and Brians nutsacks.

justafan":vb0v32cd said:

KARAVARUS":vb0v32cd said:

Spin Doctor":vb0v32cd said:

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

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100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

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We dont have the talent to look like the Rams. We dont have the Oline or discipline to execute like that.

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We dont have the talent or discipline to execute our own plan against good teams.

mrt144":2wcmhuwe said:

justafan":2wcmhuwe said:

KARAVARUS":2wcmhuwe said:

Spin Doctor":2wcmhuwe said:

The Rams offense is what the Seahawks could look like if Pete got his head out of you know where. It's exactly the type of offense Wilson would thrive in. Still a heavy run heavy team that can attack you from multiple different directions. They make very good usage of the bootleg and play-action. If pass rushers are getting to Goff they switch up what they do. Moving pockets, short timing passes, and misdirection plays. It's very frustrating watching our coaches inability to adjust when their initial game plan gets shut down on offense. Our offense is really only good at two things, running the ball, and burning teams occasionally with the play-action. We have a limited playbook that really isn't equipped to deal with every circumstance. The lack of situational awareness from Pete, and Schottenheimer is frustrating. It seems like our offense was really built to do one thing: not turn the ball over.

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100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

Click to expand...

We dont have the talent to look like the Rams. We dont have the Oline or discipline to execute like that.

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We dont have the talent or discipline to execute our own plan against good teams.

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We do, look at our games against the Chargers and the Rams as well as the Cowboys, played them tighter then anyone, a piece here or there or a call non call and the outcomes are different.

chris98251":12uz9nk5 said:

John63":12uz9nk5 said:

IndyHawk":12uz9nk5 said:

Anyone ever think maybe we don't have the players yet to
do what the Rams do?Maybe we do but they need more
experience yet.
Also having a young depleted D does us no favors..
They have money spread out on their team and you
know what I mean and we will see how much thats going
to hurt yet.

Click to expand...

Fine want to pay the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

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Our scheme was fine, it was the injuries that derailed things and by that I mean starters and our depth. Have your O line injured and you won't go far, have your O line injured and the key back ups also injured and then hoping that guys playing out of position can hel isn't going to cut it in a playoff game.


You all would not have given us much of a chance if Wilson was out of the game, having his protection and Run blockers hurt is not quite the same but very important to winning chances.

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How fine is a scheme that cant account at all for personnel injuries? The way you make it sound, if our interior line wasnt dinged up, everything would be fine. Or that because they were dinged up there was nothing to be done and we were going to lose. But we were dinged up there and nothing was seemingly done to ameliorate it.

It isnt a competitive mindest to drown slowly...

We were kind close to winning that one. Instead of casting the outcome as fate because injuries, why not look into things that could have been done?

One of the things that has been slowly developing in my mind is that Petes way more brittle than it seems at first blush if the personnel is deficient. Maybe more so than other teams. Because he sticks to his guns (and they arent without merit at times like early in the season and getting dudes experience in the mode you want them to play in). Brittle is not bad or average even, its an aspect of the team encompasses a lot including adaptability.

chris98251":psuipjcf said:

mrt144":psuipjcf said:

justafan":psuipjcf said:

KARAVARUS":psuipjcf said:

100% this, only I would tack on the end—keeping the game close ‘enough’ to win it in the fourth quarter and locking on to that philosophy.

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We dont have the talent to look like the Rams. We dont have the Oline or discipline to execute like that.

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We dont have the talent or discipline to execute our own plan against good teams.

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We do, look at our games against the Chargers and the Rams as well as the Cowboys, played them tighter then anyone, a piece here or there or a call non call and the outcomes are different.

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Fair. We executed and lost. Thats a hair better.

mrt144":1xkc18j9 said:

chris98251":1xkc18j9 said:

mrt144":1xkc18j9 said:

justafan":1xkc18j9 said:

We dont have the talent to look like the Rams. We dont have the Oline or discipline to execute like that.

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We dont have the talent or discipline to execute our own plan against good teams.

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We do, look at our games against the Chargers and the Rams as well as the Cowboys, played them tighter then anyone, a piece here or there or a call non call and the outcomes are different.

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Fair. We executed and lost. Thats a hair better.

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When most said we would be three years away from the playoffs at the start of the season I look at the growth as well as the experince we got as a golden blessing that these guys are going to benefit greatly from going forward.

Injuries are the wildcard in any run for a team, we were hit all over with them and tribute to the guys trying to play through them but you have to be pretty sound to move forward this time of year.

chris98251":v2fjzlsa said:

John63":v2fjzlsa said:

chris98251":v2fjzlsa said:

John63":v2fjzlsa said:

Fine want to pay the pay the QB thing then how about NO, Their system would be good as well, they run a lot, and they have great pass schemes and Brees is paid. It can be done and has been done. YOur Scheme can make up for deficiencies, we see it all the time, our Scheme does not.

Click to expand...

Our scheme was fine, it was the injuries that derailed things and by that I mean starters and our depth. Have your O line injured and you won't go far, have your O line injured and the key back ups also injured and then hoping that guys playing out of position can hel isn't going to cut it in a playoff game.


You all would not have given us much of a chance if Wilson was out of the game, having his protection and Run blockers hurt is not quite the same but very important to winning chances.

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Actually, no the scheme was not fine because they did not take into account the injuries something else Pete said. When they finally made adjustments it was too late.

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How do you come up with three linemnan that know the system before a game on short notice, you can't pass block due to injury, they tried to do the run game but came up short due to injury. Be happy they did as well as they did and have something to build on next year rather then try to cut off Pete and Brians nutsacks.

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Dude there are other things that can be done besides your extremist idea. Like moving the WB more, throwing more, a quick strike passing game. Look you can continue to argue all you want, but once again when you HC, OC, and QB all say they should have passed more adn sooner then guess what that is what they should have done.