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Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.
 

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chris98251":205pofb6 said:
Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.


The issue was not about the initial game plan, but the lacy of making adjustments soon enough. The Rams did run it, a lot however when they ran they had a decent amount of success, success we were not having. That said I do agree on injuries to our 2 guards hurt however the lack of adjusting till it was too late is what cost us, SOmething the OC and HC already admitted to, so this argument is moot. I am very sure if the Rams were not having success running they would have adjusted.
 
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John63":c4s8tvqa said:
chris98251":c4s8tvqa said:
Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.


The issue was not about the initial game plan, but the lacy of making adjustments soon enough. The Rams did run it, a lot however when they ran they had a decent amount of success, success we were not having. That said I do agree on injuries to our 2 guards hurt however the lack of adjusting till it was too late is what cost us, SOmething the OC and HC already admitted to, so this argument is moot. I am very sure if the Rams were not having success running they would have adjusted.


They did have success, they got push up the middle and their Gaurds were getting a push, something we could not do because our Guards were hurt. We had Pocic and Hunt as our back ups, that was our big issue, HEALTH not the game plan.

Without healthy Gaurds, we would have served Wilson up to the Cowboys as well since we could not sustain blocks and they could not move fluidly.
 

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chris98251":bapive5t said:
John63":bapive5t said:
chris98251":bapive5t said:
Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.


The issue was not about the initial game plan, but the lacy of making adjustments soon enough. The Rams did run it, a lot however when they ran they had a decent amount of success, success we were not having. That said I do agree on injuries to our 2 guards hurt however the lack of adjusting till it was too late is what cost us, SOmething the OC and HC already admitted to, so this argument is moot. I am very sure if the Rams were not having success running they would have adjusted.


They did have success, they got push up the middle and their Gaurds were getting a push, something we could not do because our Guards were hurt. We had Pocic and Hunt as our back ups, that was our big issue, HEALTH not the game plan.

Without healthy Gaurds, we would have served Wilson up to the Cowboys as well since we could not sustain blocks and they could not move fluidly.

So instead of trying to move the ball with Wilson you'd rather pound the backs into a brick wall? You know you can still have a successful throwing attack with a mediocre line if you adjust the game plan for quick outs, slants and rolling your QB out too? You just need to be creative when it calls for it.

That is our issue.
 

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This again? Wow, thanks for proving that we called the perfect game and all that was wrong was our execution. :roll:
 

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If our guards are hurt, we throw the damned ball. We have a $20m QB for crying out right.
 

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Those same guards got to pass protect do they not? Stand on one leg and have your wife push on you. Not real effective at staying upright.
Having appendage injuries on the O line with no reliable back-ups does not bode well for advancing the ball. Both Flucker and Sweezy have injury isssues, they are not dependable. We need to use them as back-ups and get two experienced (good to excellent) guards. If we can pound the ball against anyone, the rest falls into place.
If we have a scary pass rush that shortens the release time for an opposing QB the secondary play will look a lot better. We need a productive pass rusher to compliment Clark.
 

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TreeRon":20zxao8t said:
Those same guards got to pass protect do they not? Stand on one leg and have your wife push on you. Not real effective at staying upright.
Having appendage injuries on the O line with no reliable back-ups does not bode well for advancing the ball. Both Flucker and Sweezy have injury isssues, they are not dependable. We need to use them as back-ups and get two experienced (good to excellent) guards. If we can pound the ball against anyone, the rest falls into place.
If we have a scary pass rush that shortens the release time for an opposing QB the secondary play will look a lot better. We need a productive pass rusher to compliment Clark.

Someone gets it. If we don't fix the middle of the line then we are destined for many more one and done's.

The Rams actually have a better oline than we do. That is the difference.
 

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chris98251":1h88ipwy said:
John63":1h88ipwy said:
chris98251":1h88ipwy said:
Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.


The issue was not about the initial game plan, but the lacy of making adjustments soon enough. The Rams did run it, a lot however when they ran they had a decent amount of success, success we were not having. That said I do agree on injuries to our 2 guards hurt however the lack of adjusting till it was too late is what cost us, SOmething the OC and HC already admitted to, so this argument is moot. I am very sure if the Rams were not having success running they would have adjusted.


They did have success, they got push up the middle and their Gaurds were getting a push, something we could not do because our Guards were hurt. We had Pocic and Hunt as our back ups, that was our big issue, HEALTH not the game plan.

Without healthy Gaurds, we would have served Wilson up to the Cowboys as well since we could not sustain blocks and they could not move fluidly.

Joey Hunt played in the game in the regular season against the Cowboys. They could have made adjustments when they noticed that plays weren't working. They didn't do that. The problem was that the game didn't get out of hand until late in 4th qtr. When it did, they didn't have time. They were ahead 14-10 into the 4th.

The bigger issue was that the Seahawks couldn't stop Elliott and Dallas' run game. The Rams defense did. He only had 47 yards rushing. When you do that, make Prescott beat through the air, then most likely you will end up with a win. That's what the Rams did.
 

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chris98251":1e2k5xck said:
Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.

My feeling was that the Rams basically dialed up what they always do - stretch runs that accentuate the passing game and a passing game that compliments those running concepts perfectly. They are playing Chess and Schotty is playing Checkers.

There's just something overtly aesthetically pleasing to me about the Rams running game.
 

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That’s what you took from the Rams game?

What I took from that game last night is that our game plan was pathetic. And that Sean McVay would work wonders with Russ.

All night, McVay leveraged the play action threat to set up the pass. He started out with Gurley, who the Cowboys were intent on stopping. Goff had a clean pocket all game. McVay kept hitting them with play action passes that kept them on their heels. The Cowboys had no idea what to expect on any given play call. Very few obvious passing or run situations

We were the number 1 rushing team. That we didn’t leverage that better was PATHETIC. Even if it’s 4 straight play action passes, keep them on their heels. Punish them and let them respect the pass

Also, the Rams took the Cowboys OUT of what they wanted to do, whereas we played into their style. The Cowboys want to slow the game down, play strong defense, run the ball, and hopefully win late with Dak, Coop, and Zeke. The Rams got up early on them and the Cowboys didn’t know what to do. That’s what we should have done. And we had every capability of doing so
 

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No denying that Rams sleight of hand offense, all from the same or similar formation is a thing of beauty, but none of that would work if there was not a formidable O line wall to let that happen. MacVey is an O coach and it's easy to see that he has his finger on every aspect of the O, just like Pete has on the D.
If and once we get a premiere foundation, a top O line, then I would hope we could work on execution of our own offensive magic. Shotty is not stupid he can adopt some of MacVey's concepts. It happens all the time, "the NFL is a copy cat league".
 

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The Rams “amazing “ game plan had them desperately needing a first down with minutes left to keep Dallas from having a chance to tie the game. Execution at key moments is where the game is won or lost.
 

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^^ Oh cmon. Rams were in control from start to finish. Even when the Cowboys scored there was no panic
 

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Flyingsquad23":231lqz65 said:
The Rams “amazing “ game plan had them desperately needing a first down with minutes left to keep Dallas from having a chance to tie the game. Execution at key moments is where the game is won or lost.

Frustrating to get inside the 10 three times and have to kick FGs. We should have blown them out but Goff did not play a good game.

If we score TDs in those situations the game would have been 35-7 after half, and that's not even counting the dropped pick 6 by Ebukam

Point in saying all that is that Seattle is better than we are in the red zone, so if Seattle was able to incorporate that game plan somehow, they probably beat Dallas easily.
 

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chris98251":3rdg3ekd said:
John63":3rdg3ekd said:
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Our strat wasn't bad our injuries limited it's execution, the Rams ran like hell on the Cowboys, they used the pass to spread the field and open up running lanes, our injuries killed us not the game plan as so many want to blame.

Our loss to the Steelers in the Super Bowl was lousy game planning as well using the reference everyone has been using for the Dallas loss, Etric Pruitt was not the blame now using hind sight, it was lousy game planning.


The issue was not about the initial game plan, but the lacy of making adjustments soon enough. The Rams did run it, a lot however when they ran they had a decent amount of success, success we were not having. That said I do agree on injuries to our 2 guards hurt however the lack of adjusting till it was too late is what cost us, SOmething the OC and HC already admitted to, so this argument is moot. I am very sure if the Rams were not having success running they would have adjusted.


They did have success, they got push up the middle and their Gaurds were getting a push, something we could not do because our Guards were hurt. We had Pocic and Hunt as our back ups, that was our big issue, HEALTH not the game plan.

Without healthy Gaurds, we would have served Wilson up to the Cowboys as well since we could not sustain blocks and they could not move fluidly.


And yet when we throw more we moved the ball and scored, and of course, one more time Pete Carroll and Schotty both said they should have thrown more sooner.
 

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Should have thrown sooner is the same thing as throwing more, to be fair.

Yeah, they waited too long. But.. if the D makes a tackle on 3rd and 17 in the final minutes then the team has the ball, down 3/6 points with 4 minutes to go. This is the scenario PC is trying for. He was poor tackling away from being in the position he wanted.

Watching the team march down the field and score down 11 in now way definitively shows how successful the team wouldve been had they started the 2nd half that way. Dallas was very clearly rushing with 4 and dropping deep, allowing for more room to complete passes. Their D would've been different to start the 2nd.

Would it have mattered? Hard to say. But proclamations that it would ignore the way the team has been successful all season, and in PC's past 7 years.
 

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Uncle Si":2ucvrpo4 said:
Should have thrown sooner is the same thing as throwing more, to be fair.

Yeah, they waited too long. But.. if the D makes a tackle on 3rd and 17 in the final minutes then the team has the ball, down 3/6 points with 4 minutes to go. This is the scenario PC is trying for. He was poor tackling away from being in the position he wanted.

Watching the team march down the field and score down 11 in now way definitively shows how successful the team wouldve been had they started the 2nd half that way. Dallas was very clearly rushing with 4 and dropping deep, allowing for more room to complete passes. Their D would've been different to start the 2nd.

Would it have mattered? Hard to say. But proclamations that it would ignore the way the team has been successful all season, and in PC's past 7 years.

Actually no if you look at our success just this year we did rin, but when it struggled we adjusted see the Carolina Game as one example. That was the difference in this game we waited too long to adjust, Now was it the only issue? NO, but it was one, and some on here want to ignore it or say it was not which is wrong. Given both the HC and OC said they should have starting throwing sooner and more It is safe to say we should have
 

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You know I was going to post but this seems to be the perfect thread on this. The game I watched the Girl's vs Rams the major thing wasn't the pass setting up the run they ran from the beginning I would almost say it was the opposite the run set up the pass in any case watching both games the KC and the Rams O was a lot of miss direction makes our offense look pretty vanilla. Goff was reading the D making the correct adjustments at the line.
 

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Yes after seeing the Rams result it may not have been that we ran too much but that we dialled up poor run plays. Clearly the Cowboys can be run on. But sometimes its as simple of home field giving you that little bit of earlier get off from the OL. Home teams are making the WC weekend winners look like fools this weekend so far.
 
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