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Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:24 pm
  • They have a lot in common, and he is younger whereas Wilson has taken a beating for 8 years (terrible OL consistently).
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:27 pm
  • I think RW is slightly better but not by much. Mahomes however looks much better because he’s not handcuffed.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:49 pm
  • It's really hard to do an apple-to-apples comparison of them. Mahomes is in a great scheme with an intelligent offensive coach that really sets him up for passing success. Not comparable to our scenario at all.

    I think Wilson is definitely hamstrung from what he's capable of being, though.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:11 pm
  • Believe it or not, we could compare the two without taking an opportunity to push the anti Pete agenda, but we only have 15-20 of those topics so whats one more?

    Back to the topic at hand, Mahomes also has electric weapons at his disposal. But you can see he is special.

    I think if you put both guys in the same system they probably produce similar results. Russ has been doing it longer. Mahomes has a ways to go before he reaches Russ' accomplishments but I think its possible he may be even slightly more talented than Russ, which is high praise indeed.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:58 am
  • I think we are going to find out in 2 weeks.
    I think they are both on the same level.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:27 am
  • It would be nice if we would use Russ like KC uses Mahomes
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:53 am
  • PM has a gadget offense that all Andy offenses with any QB does well in
    This is why I don't buy into the hype.
    PM does have a better line,better depth and healthier players all season.
    Imagine if RW had his top TE's all season..His RB's all season.
    Oh PM has a better D this season and about same as ours last season.
    PM cannot take hits like RW however..That small frame isn't going to
    hold up like RW's and you absolutely can see it on his face..Wait a couple
    more seasons when he loses that extra step..
    I take RW and his experience over PM..In our offense PM would choke.
    In theirs RW would do better numbers for sure.
    I'm not fooled and your not getting me to believe otherwise. :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:23 am
  • Lots of rationalizing going on here.

    Yes. Mahomes is better than Wilson. They have a similar skill set and the overall gap between them isn’t a large one, but Mahomes can do everything Russell does and he has a stronger arm.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:24 am
  • Hawkpower wrote:Believe it or not, we could compare the two without taking an opportunity to push the anti Pete agenda..................

    We can? Sadly it seems you're incorrect
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:02 am
  • He is probably the most talented QB ever to play in the NFL. But he also has a better line, more weapons, and a better offensive-minded coach. wilson will never realize his full potential with our offensive schemes. I think he is a little better even in a level playing field. He is younger with a stronger arm.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:20 am
  • Mahomes is ALLOWED to be better than Wilson . It shows what happens when the hounds are unleashed .
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:24 am
  • Alex Smith was able to throw for 4000 yards, 8 YPA, 26 TDs and 5 Ints in his last season at KC - 104.7 QB rating. That's not far off Wilson's stats for this year (5 TDs more but other stats almost identical). So it's really hard to dissect just how much of Mahomes insane stats come from his ability, and how much from the team surrounding him, because there's no way Alex Smith would have put up those stats playing for us.

    I will say that if there IS any QB in the NFL better than Wilson, it's Mahomes, however.

    When the team was fully healthy at the start of the season Wilson's stats were just as insane. With Penny and Metcalf making huge strides towards of the season, and the emergence of Hollister after Dissly went down, I'm hopeful that to start next season when Britt returns & maybe we improve at guard and pick up a good third option in the receiving game, then Wilson will be back to his barnstorming best.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:57 am
  • The experts at 710 just said Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL... with Wilson #2.

    As someone else said... we'll see in 2 weeks. Wilson has a history of getting it done in the clutch. Mahomes does have the stronger arm.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:24 am
  • It will be interesting to see how the SB shakes out. Lot of similarities to the script in 2013.
    KC is loaded though, on both sides of the ball. Hard to see them folding the way Peyton's Broncos did. Mohomes is the real deal and has that prototypical size going for him. Smaller guys always get short end of the stick in the comparison wars.
    Strong arm does not necessarily equal better long ball.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:32 am
  • Mahomes best QB in the league right now,but Russell is still the man for the late decisive score. :2thumbs:
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:40 am
  • You can't compare the two because of vastly different situations, offenses, supporting casts and coaching philosophies. I do think these are the best two in the game.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:41 am
  • I love Mahomes, but the comparisons are silly when Russell has Chris Carson, Lockett, a rookie WR and 2nd and 3rd string TE's to work with................AND the worst pass pro O-line in the entire league.

    So let's revisit this comparison after KC has to give Mahomes 40M a year and doesn't have 100M of their cap space to spend on their O-line and all those weapons on offense.

    Yes Mahomes is special, there's no denying that. But I don't like these conversations when it's apples and oranges cap wise, scheme wise and surrounding talent.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:23 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I love Mahomes, but the comparisons are silly when Russell has Chris Carson, Lockett, a rookie WR and 2nd and 3rd string TE's to work with................AND the worst pass pro O-line in the entire league.

    So let's revisit this comparison after KC has to give Mahomes 40M a year and doesn't have 100M of their cap space to spend on their O-line and all those weapons on offense.

    Yes Mahomes is special, there's no denying that. But I don't like these conversations when it's apples and oranges cap wise, scheme wise and surrounding talent.

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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:25 am
  • Trade players and contracts and i bet Seattle is the better team but there still 2 of the best in the league.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:38 am
  • Mahomes certainly looks like a better version of Wilson, but Reid's system is more dynamic than ours. That being said Mahomes has Russel's athleticism with better arm talent. Just not sure his brain is better because Reid's system sets the table for him nicely.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:42 am
  • Probably but it's hard to say because Reid's system is so good. Look at Alex Smith the year before he left; he had similar numbers to Mahomes.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:42 am
  • If they switched teams I think that Wilson hits Mahomes numbers on the Chiefs but Mahomes doesn’t hit Wilson’s numbers on the Seahawks

    It seems like the implication of most responses is that the Chiefs coaching, system and players are better than the Seahawks. Today that is true.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:47 am
  • My first answer is Yes! He is unbelievable almost all the time. But let's look at last year. Wilson was just as good and we beat them here. Clearly PM's team is far more talented. The biggest difference is our coach is a defensive coach and there's is a great offensive coach. But you really see how much better Wilson can be when running around. That's what we needed to do in the first half against GB.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:07 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:I love Mahomes, but the comparisons are silly when Russell has Chris Carson, Lockett, a rookie WR and 2nd and 3rd string TE's to work with................AND the worst pass pro O-line in the entire league.

    So let's revisit this comparison after KC has to give Mahomes 40M a year and doesn't have 100M of their cap space to spend on their O-line and all those weapons on offense.

    Yes Mahomes is special, there's no denying that. But I don't like these conversations when it's apples and oranges cap wise, scheme wise and surrounding talent.


    That is exactly right, BUT, we have never had a great OL for Wilson even in his 1st for years while his contract was relatively cheap. We spent that cap savings on defense. We also took Earl with a high draft pick, but Kam and Sherm were a low cap hit in their first 4 years, and Kam a huge cap hit the past 3 years.

    The other issues our LONG history of INJURIES that KC doesn't have. It's like our whole season starting offense has been out for lengthy periods of time this year. At some point we need to address why we have a disproportionate amount of injuries each year that leads to Wilson taking so many hits. Maybe it's Wilson's off season and extra training that has kept him mostly free of injuries, but whatever the rest of the team is doing to stay healthy, it isn't working too well.

    The big question is money allocation and when Wilson and Wagner are taking up a huge chunk of it, there isn't much left for OL and DL and when we can't seem to hit on cheaper talent (like Sherm and Kam, Metcalf being the exception) out of the draft like we did in 2012 it makes guys like Mahomes look better than Wilson because Seattle and KC aren't playing with all things being equal i.e. comparing apples and oranges.

    BTW, I live 2 hrs from KC and have watched them do what Seattle has failed to do, and as the OP here I WISH Wilson got the same opportunity that Mahomes has. Because Seattle laid an egg the past 6 weeks of the season and because they are out...GO CHIEFS! (my 2nd favorite team, and because I hate the 49ers)
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:01 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:I love Mahomes, but the comparisons are silly when Russell has Chris Carson, Lockett, a rookie WR and 2nd and 3rd string TE's to work with................AND the worst pass pro O-line in the entire league.

    So let's revisit this comparison after KC has to give Mahomes 40M a year and doesn't have 100M of their cap space to spend on their O-line and all those weapons on offense.

    Yes Mahomes is special, there's no denying that. But I don't like these conversations when it's apples and oranges cap wise, scheme wise and surrounding talent.

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    Agreed. Not knocking Mahomes, but let's see how well he does when the talent around him falls off. Can he carry a less than spectacular offensive roster with an average o-line?

    That said, I don't follow the Chiefs to know how good he is at reading defenses, etc.compared to Russell....
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:40 pm
  • [quote="FalconsFanNW"

    As someone else said... we'll see in 2 weeks. Wilson has a history of getting it done in the clutch. Mahomes does have the stronger arm.[/quote]

    How are we going to see in two weeks? Are they lining up side by side, with the same players on O and D?
    The answer is NO so we won't see in two weeks.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:50 pm
  • TreeRon wrote:[quote="FalconsFanNW"

    As someone else said... we'll see in 2 weeks. Wilson has a history of getting it done in the clutch. Mahomes does have the stronger arm.


    How are we going to see in two weeks? Are they lining up side by side, with the same players on O and D?
    The answer is NO so we won't see in two weeks.[/quote]


    Exactly, it is near impossible to really compare to players on different teams. The only true way would be if they each had the exact same team around them, playing the exact same system, and the exact same schedule. Which will never happen.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:28 pm
  • Who cares - they are both awesome.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:02 pm
  • Show me what Mahomes would do with the same OL and coaching deficiencies Russ has had to deal with for the past 8 years and then we can talk.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:09 pm
  • Aros wrote:Show me what Mahomes would do with the same OL and coaching deficiencies Russ has had to deal with for the past 8 years and then we can talk.


    Using that logic you can never ever compare any player to any other player. Yes, Pete is the only one who can effectively shut down Russ. Better than any defense for about half or more of every game. I pick Mahomes because he’s willing to run while there are no RPOs for Wilson anymore. Russ’s touch and passing were awesome this year though. Better than some years of overthrowing really short passes.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:23 pm
  • JayhawkMike wrote:
    Aros wrote:Show me what Mahomes would do with the same OL and coaching deficiencies Russ has had to deal with for the past 8 years and then we can talk.


    Using that logic you can never ever compare any player to any other player. Yes, Pete is the only one who can effectively shut down Russ. Better than any defense for about half or more of every game. I pick Mahomes because he’s willing to run while there are no RPOs for Wilson anymore. Russ’s touch and passing were awesome this year though. Better than some years of overthrowing really short passes.


    Yes and Mahomes missed 3 games this year, and who knows how many in coming years while Wilson has missed NONE. If you are not available to play it will not matter how good you are.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:03 pm
  • I'm one of those who believe that we might never know how great Wilson could have been, because he has a coach whose thinking has completely hamstrung his best player.
    Coaches are getting paid to build the team that maximizes the talent of their best players. For me, it is as simple as that.
    Andy Reid has done that. I hope Pete is not too old to learn.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:13 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    JayhawkMike wrote:
    Aros wrote:Show me what Mahomes would do with the same OL and coaching deficiencies Russ has had to deal with for the past 8 years and then we can talk.


    Using that logic you can never ever compare any player to any other player. Yes, Pete is the only one who can effectively shut down Russ. Better than any defense for about half or more of every game. I pick Mahomes because he’s willing to run while there are no RPOs for Wilson anymore. Russ’s touch and passing were awesome this year though. Better than some years of overthrowing really short passes.


    Yes and Mahomes missed 3 games this year, and who knows how many in coming years while Wilson has missed NONE. If you are not available to play it will not matter how good you are.

    Someone in one of posts said PM is bigger than RW..I don't get that
    or see that at all..Correct that RW has never missed one game but bigger
    PM has missed multiple..He only has one thing over RW and that is maybe
    a little stronger arm?Should be as he is over 6 years or so younger.
    Oh I forgot he has that extra step of speed that he will lose just like RW
    did after 3-4 yrs.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:45 pm
  • NJlargent wrote:I think RW is slightly better but not by much. Mahomes however looks much better because he’s not handcuffed.


    AND, it doesn't hurt that Andy Reid ( like Mike Holmgren) is Offensive minded, and a Quarterback FIRST Coach eh?
    Wilson has been winging it with a Head Coach that is known for his Defensive mindset, & building a Run Blocking O-Line for his run first Offensive mindset......Wilson has played in two consecutive Super Bowls, & Winning one....and if not for a beat up Defense allowing ThomASS Brady to erase a 10 point cushion, would have won the Seahawks their second.
    OH AND, Wilson hasn't missed one single game due to injury like Mahomes has.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:47 pm
  • I see a fairly strong consensus of: similar athleticism, Mahomes has a better arm.

    If thats the case, who cares what system they are playing in? The question wasn't who would put up better stats.

    The question was who is the better QB.

    If Mahomes is showing to be similar in all ways but has a better arm, seems like offensive philosophy, o line, etc are mute points if we are just deciding who is better at playing the position.

    If Mahomes was playing for Pete, he would still be super athletic and he would still have the better arm.

    If you want to jump on yet another opportunity to yell about poor Russ being hamstrung, change the question.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:56 pm
  • Hawkpower wrote:I see a fairly strong consensus of: similar athleticism, Mahomes has a better arm.

    If thats the case, who cares what system they are playing in? The question wasn't who would put up better stats.

    The question was who is the better QB.

    If Mahomes is showing to be similar in all ways but has a better arm, seems like offensive philosophy, o line, etc are mute points if we are just deciding who is better at playing the position.

    If Mahomes was playing for Pete, he would still be super athletic and he would still have the better arm.

    If you want to jump on yet another opportunity to yell about poor Russ being hamstrung, change the question.


    Well then the question is does he have the better arm.and if so. Y how much and doe that matter. A better question is can they make all the throws? The answer is yes. So maybe the answer is they are even.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:34 pm
  • We are always comparing QBs on here so to say apples to oranges or now is not the time is disingenuous. PM is an incredible talent and KC is fortunate to have him. Seems like a great guy and teammate. You can rationalize it either way. I love me some RW but I’d take PM in a second just for the youth factor.

    Right now PM will look better because he is in the better offense. The offense is built around him unlike the Hawks offense which claims to built around the run yet has consistently had one of the worst OLs in the NFL.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:48 pm
  • Most talented Quarterbacks in terms of arm talent I’ve ever seen:

    - Mahomes, by far
    - Dan Marino
    - Aaron Rodgers
    - Brett Favre
    - John Elway
    - Jay Cutler
    - Michael Vick


    Best Quarterbacks I’ve ever seen


    - Peyton Manning
    - Tom Brady
    - Russell Wilson



    Mahomes is extremely talented. From an arm talent stand point, he can do things Wilson can’t do. And yet I still think Wilson is the better QUARTERBACK. Big difference.

    Jay Cutler was a terrible quarterback. But man, did I love watching that guy throw. Straight out of a cannon, I would just marvel at the zip on his ball that would fall into the hands of a defender :lol:

    Wilson 2.0, which is essentially post-2015 Wilson is a very cerebral QB. He dissects defenses, he creates plays out of nothing. What people think are sandlot plays are way more structured than people think. His instincts are out of this world. He doesn’t have the GOLDEN arm, like Rodgers, like Mahomes. But he stresses a defense even with very little around him. He makes accurate throws, he changes plays. He’s proven under Schotty he can play in structure.

    Mahomes is in a great situation. He has Andy Reid, who may be the best offensive playcaller of all time. He not only has weapons, Next Gen Stats say his receivers have the most yards of separation. When I watch Mahomes I see accuracy and a great arm, but I’m not blown away by pure QB play. I see Reid’s scheme completely confusing defenses. Fake reverses and screens with Hill, the best TE in the league finding soft spots in zone.

    In summary, I just don’t see great QB play like I saw with Manning, and now Wilson. Maybe I’m biased, I think Mahomes will go down as an all time great. Like Marino, and Rodgers. But not a master of the QB position like Manning, Brady, Wilson, and you can maybe even throw Brees in there.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:09 pm
  • John63 wrote:
    Hawkpower wrote:I see a fairly strong consensus of: similar athleticism, Mahomes has a better arm.

    If thats the case, who cares what system they are playing in? The question wasn't who would put up better stats.

    The question was who is the better QB.

    If Mahomes is showing to be similar in all ways but has a better arm, seems like offensive philosophy, o line, etc are mute points if we are just deciding who is better at playing the position.

    If Mahomes was playing for Pete, he would still be super athletic and he would still have the better arm.

    If you want to jump on yet another opportunity to yell about poor Russ being hamstrung, change the question.


    Well then the question is does he have the better arm.and if so. Y how much and doe that matter. A better question is can they make all the throws? The answer is yes. So maybe the answer is they are even.



    I love Russ, but Mahomes’ arm is so talented, that he can drop 10 yards deep and flick the ball 70 yards. He can make throws from crazy platforms. So can Russ, but it’s simply not the same.

    What Russ does have over Mahomes, is his ability to read/dissect defenses, create his own pocket, and work within chaos. He calls run plays, something I hardly see Mahomes do. He’s made tight window throws I’ve never seen Mahomes make. And to make sure I’m not making that up I try to watch as much Mahomes games as possible. Arm talent is great, but Russ has ball placement, leadership, and decision making in abundance. Mahomes is so talented, that like many of the QBs before him it’s hard to not rely on it. When you know you’re rich, it’s hard to get up and have the same hunger as someone with their back against the wall (like too short Wilson, too non-athletic Brady).

    It’s kind of the Michael Jordan vs Lebron debate. Jordan is the most skilled, but Lebron is the most physically gifted and is better at more things than Jordan. Jordan also had the elite coach. But Lebron is a poor free throw shooter, he’s never had to be great at it because he’s great at so many other things. Doesn’t matter, the argument will go on forever, with people making an argument for each.

    Great arm talents like Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. rely on their arms, and don’t have to do the things that a Brady, Manning, Wilson, or Brees have to do. Rodgers is falling off, because he’s aging and with that so does his arm. Wilson, like Brady will have the longevity because they had to. Dan Orlovsky, who I rarely agree with said Wilson is the best football player he’s ever seen and it’s not a farfetched argument.

    Russell might go down the most well rounded QB of all time. The Lebron of the NFL, but hopefully with enough rings to match.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:56 pm
  • Russell has great arm, he is also more accurate, Elway had a cannon, then so did Joe Gilliam and Terry Bradshaw who played at the same time and same team, you can have a arm but without learning nuances and situations and how to use your head it's a wasted attribute. Coaches loved Elways arm so much they let him dictate games with it, until he got older and had a Shanahan coaching that gave him a balanced attack and a stricter game plan he was a great highlight but no Super Bowls wins.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 am
  • Put Mahomes on the Seahawks. Put Wilson on the Chiefs. What happens?
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:35 am
  • Fade wrote:Put Mahomes on the Seahawks. Put Wilson on the Chiefs. What happens?



    Mahomes in on the injury list. And Wilson is about to win a SB.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:12 am
  • Hard to say he's better, but he certainly could end up being better. Mahomes is ridiculous.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:20 am
  • knownone wrote:Mahomes can do everything Russell does and he has a stronger arm.


    LOLWUT - Russ throws the best deep ball in the game. He might be the best deep ball thrower ever. What is this $h!t about "arm strength?" You want to have them arm wrestle? Is that a thing quarterbacks do?
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:22 am
  • A little early to claim he does EVERYTHING that Russ does and/or has done. I think he's an amazing QB, but dial it down Skippy.
    But, this is the same site that had someone say that Hass was 10 times better than Russ :2thumbs:
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:28 am
  • Fade wrote:Put Mahomes on the Seahawks. Put Wilson on the Chiefs. What happens?


    I think there's a misconception that Mahomes just wings it all over the yard 50 times a game, and somehow that means his skills would be wasted in Seattle (as some of you believe Russell's is).

    Mahomes had 32 less pass attempts this year then Russell, which I know he missed two games. So what? That means he would have finished with 20-25 more than Russell?

    That's not an earth shattering indictment for the narrative that some people on here believe that Pete doesn't let Russell throw it enough. He throws it plenty.

    Garroppolo threw it 8 times on Sunday. 8 times.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:47 am
  • Wilson is one of, if not the best, NFL players in clutch situations.

    Wilson also has more years experience than Mahomes. Wilson is in his prime, Mahomes still has a few years to reach his.

    Mahomes has a HC that allows his offense to blossom. He has an incredible offense to play with and has a HC that correctly uses his best offensive players to create scoring. Mahomes is encouraged to score and giving every opportunity to do so.

    Wilson has a HC that treats offense like that HC is trying to become the 2nd coming of Ty Willingham. Wilson essentially is asked to convert drives, use clock and keep the game close. If Wilson had Kelce, his HC would be using him to block for run plays like we once foolishly asked Graham to do - instead of allowing Kelce to be a pivotal cog in an offensive machine that Mahomes is giving the opportunity to helm.

    Wilson's #s would clearly be higher playing under Reid. It is pretty reasonable to expect Mahomes would have lower #s playing under a coach that was content seeing his QB getting 30 yds passing in the half.

    There is no way to make a fair comparison because Wilson's #s will likely be less than they should because of his coach. He would likely put up better #s on half the teams in the NFL. Whereas Mahomes has #s that would probably be slightly reduced anywhere else in that Reid is such an offensive specialist.

    They are almost comparable though. Wilson is a better clutch player, Mahomes is more athletic (but Wilson was nearly as athletic in his early days too).
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:57 am
  • Well we really already know Mahomes career path under Reid, Donavan McNabb ish, If he can take Alex Smith and make him a Pro Bowl looking QB you know how friendly the system is, they have a good line and that helps a lot, Smith isn't a terrible QB, he is a system guy that needs pieces. Mahome's and Wilson have vastly different situations to play in, you can't really compare them. Reid is about scoring at every opportunity, Ours is control and preserve a lead not extend it, or wear a team down and win it in the 4th.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:57 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Fade wrote:...
    Garroppolo threw it 8 times on Sunday. 8 times.

    Because he only had to throw it 8 times. On the hawks PC wants to only throw it 8 times, trys to only throw it 8 times, then realizes he is down 21-0 and FINALLY changes the game plan.
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Re: Is Mahomes better than Wilson?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:00 pm
  • Yeah, that arm strength thing is a VERY weak argument. Kaepersnatch had a very strong arm. How did that turn out? Guys like Steve Young didn't exactly have a cannon. You either get it to the right spot or you don't.
    Also, decision making is HUGE, especially in the clutch. Russ has been one of the best finishers in league history, regardless how much people want to deny that fact. And hey, I THINK most Hawks fans are happy we have Russ. And you know KC fans are happy with Mahomes. No need to compare, just appreciate two incredible talents who we get to see play.
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