In hindsight, should we have resigned Earl and Sherm?

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They are both far and away better than our current replacements (especially Earl) and part of the decision was health. Should we have resigned them? One of them? If one which one?
 

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Sherm no, Earl maybe before the injury but after that it was to late. They're both still great but it was time for both of them to go.
 

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getnasty":3u51z6cv said:
Sherm no, Earl maybe before the injury but after that it was to late. They're both still great but it was time for both of them to go.
We are starting Tre flowers for geez sake! Sherman is still playing Pro Bowl caliber football. He would have been a difference maker and his presence alone could have resulted in a SB appearance. With Diggs there isn’t as much drop off from ET
 

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HawkerD":3qqneb2v said:
getnasty":3qqneb2v said:
Sherm no, Earl maybe before the injury but after that it was to late. They're both still great but it was time for both of them to go.
We are starting Tre flowers for geez sake! Sherman is still playing Pro Bowl caliber football. He would have been a difference maker and his presence alone could have resulted in a SB appearance. With Diggs there isn’t as much drop off from ET

Sherman was a bad apple his last couple of years and became a cancer in my opinion. Still a great player but his time was up here.
 

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HawkerD":2pv7q8le said:
getnasty":2pv7q8le said:
Sherm no, Earl maybe before the injury but after that it was to late. They're both still great but it was time for both of them to go.
We are starting Tre flowers for geez sake! Sherman is still playing Pro Bowl caliber football. He would have been a difference maker and his presence alone could have resulted in a SB appearance. With Diggs there isn’t as much drop off from ET
And last year, when he had a total of 4 pass defences and was Mr. Irrelevant out there? What would you have said of him then, if he was with the Seahawks and just collected a massive contract?
 

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andyh64000":3ebv36la said:
They are both far and away better than our current replacements (especially Earl) and part of the decision was health. Should we have resigned them? One of them? If one which one?


You forget the two year or so learning curve we had with Earl, Kam, and Sherm, the breakdowns, communication issues deep passes completed.

We get it your all about pushing a App on a phone, but in this game you have to build a team and take repetitions together and learn each other and communicate.

Griff is a Pro Bowl alternate, Diggs is playin g balls out, Flowers is in his second year playing the position and will improve with a year of working with this group, add a SS that puts fear into receivers and supports the run and a slot guy to step up or be drafted and or signed and the secondary will look better. Add a D line that can pressure and cause havoc and they will look very good.
 

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Sherm was open to resigning but Earl I think would have rathered quit the game before playing for Pete anymore.
 

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They didn't really want to be here when they left.
 

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Earl's departure was partly about money and partly about how personally he took the second extension negotiations and how he reacted to them.

Sherman would still be here if not for the drama. It's a shame that it took a change of scenery for him to learn that lesson, but by all accounts he's been a good locker room influence with the 49ers. The Seahawks needed the change as well.
 

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^^^Alot of the drama was of Sherm's own doing though.
 

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Seanhawk":2x7czrn1 said:
^^^Alot of the drama was of Sherm's own doing though.

All of the drama was his own doing. I had know problem with him talking smack to opponents but when you publicly start questioning you own staff you got to go.
 

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getnasty":3f3z3h6y said:
Seanhawk":3f3z3h6y said:
^^^Alot of the drama was of Sherm's own doing though.

All of the drama was his own doing. I had know problem with him talking smack to opponents but when you publicly start questioning you own staff you got to go.

Unfortunately Sherman always thought he was the smartest one in the room. Maybe he was, but when you think it you become conceded. Great player, his head just became too big for our locker room. The injury and scenery change seemed to bring him back to reality a bit.
 

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Capspace results would make Seahawks mediocre for years to come. Better to move-on and develop young players for 20-12 season.
 

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Except Sherman was right. He called out our coaches for valid reasons, so getting upset at him for doing so makes little sense. Carroll was both wrong and old, so it wasn't going to end well. But we would have been better in keeping him.

We should have kept them both. They played positions well in areas that were holes for us almost all year. Sure Diggs filled one hole, but we were a dumpster fire for a while before that trade. And Sherman + Griffin is a damned sight better than Griffin + Flowers.

Key weaknesses for us all year:
Cornerback play
Safety (notably FS)

I don't care if they were punching Carroll in the face before each game, we would have been better with them. Also, allowing Sherman to go to a rival gave us an extra loss. Corner was one of the big weaknesses we could exploit against SF.

It was a risk that Sherman would end up healthy, one that SF took. Surprised we did not even try to resign him with the type of contract he offered SF - but we were stupid.

Regardless, Sherman and Earl were both pissed off at Carroll for being complacent about offense and consistently pushing the defense to save the game with little or no support until the 4th quarter. We now know 2 things:

1. It was Carroll almost more than Bevell that was keeping us from scoring.
2. We had the wherewithal to score when we felt it was necessary - we just did not feel it was necessary.

Sherman is going to a SB as a key contributor to the defense that is the driving force behind SF's success. He had 2 picks in the playoffs. We haven't gone to a SB since he left, and likely won't against under Carroll for the very reasons Sherman was upset in the first place. For all the complaining about Sherman not 'being a team player' and 'calling out his coaches', he was right about everything he was complaining about.



Ultimately he is in the SB and we are not. So it worked out for him, not so much for us.
 

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It never ends. Someone has success on another team and it somehow was a mistake by the Hawks.
Glad they are both gone.
 

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TwistedHusky":1grc7zg1 said:
Except Sherman was right. He called out our coaches for valid reasons, so getting upset at him for doing so makes little sense. Carroll was both wrong and old, so it wasn't going to end well. But we would have been better in keeping him.

We should have kept them both. They played positions well in areas that were holes for us almost all year. Sure Diggs filled one hole, but we were a dumpster fire for a while before that trade. And Sherman + Griffin is a damned sight better than Griffin + Flowers.

Key weaknesses for us all year:
Cornerback play
Safety (notably FS)

I don't care if they were punching Carroll in the face before each game, we would have been better with them. Also, allowing Sherman to go to a rival gave us an extra loss. Corner was one of the big weaknesses we could exploit against SF.

It was a risk that Sherman would end up healthy, one that SF took. Surprised we did not even try to resign him with the type of contract he offered SF - but we were stupid.

Regardless, Sherman and Earl were both pissed off at Carroll for being complacent about offense and consistently pushing the defense to save the game with little or no support until the 4th quarter. We now know 2 things:

1. It was Carroll almost more than Bevell that was keeping us from scoring.
2. We had the wherewithal to score when we felt it was necessary - we just did not feel it was necessary.

Sherman is going to a SB as a key contributor to the defense that is the driving force behind SF's success. He had 2 picks in the playoffs. We haven't gone to a SB since he left, and likely won't against under Carroll for the very reasons Sherman was upset in the first place. For all the complaining about Sherman not 'being a team player' and 'calling out his coaches', he was right about everything he was complaining about.



Ultimately he is in the SB and we are not. So it worked out for him, not so much for us.


THIS> Sherman had the balls to speak truth to power. He basically said the same stuff that most of us on this board were saying. Namely, that Caroll's loyalty to coaches like Cable and Bevell were ruining our chances to get things like home field advantage in the playoffs which diminishes our chances of going to the Super Bowl. The offensive game plan made our defense have to stay on the field way too much, and I would not be surprised if that led to greater chance of injuries. We had and have a HOF QB, and we only gave him the reigns to the offense in the 4th quarter when it is catch up time. I bet in hindsight ....Sherman might now see Wilson in a different light (they exchanged jerseys this year) and realize that Russ wasn't the problem, and it all rests on Pete. As for some of Sherman's rants.......Jim Moore on 710 AM is an idiot who I have no sympathy I bet that Russ is silently seeing the light too. Pete will not change. Watch this> he will stay loyal to Ken Norton, and our defense will continue to flounder. Cable and his inept coaching for me is what cost this team a chance at multiple super bowls. We still have not overcome all the mistakes on O-line and all those wasted draft picks that were Cable's doing.
 

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The simple answer is no, we needed to move on. The only way to continually compete year in and year out is to systematically replace higher priced players as they age. You just can't have too many older players on one team. If you do, you risk having to need multiple tough seasons to try to become competitive again. If you let a few go each year, you can continue to bring in fresh talent and turnover the team while remaining competitive.

With that said, even if we had kept them, there's no saying they'd have had the successes they are having now. Different teams, different situations will often have different outcomes.
 
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