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  • Since the pass rush was the biggest weakness this year I really think Pete and John go big on the D-line this off season during FA, just like after 2012 when they brought in Avril and Bennett-who would you like them to sign?
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  • Clowney.

    And then it depends on who's available.
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  • 50/50 on Clowney. Dude down in Jacksonville is pretty boss and more consistent and for same maybe less on money. Beasley or Williams would be prove it deals or gap fills. Those two would be ones I’d target in draft. Reed a prove it deal and Daniels a gap fill. Collier I think is a bust at end but could gain weight and play inside. And Blacklock with the third comp or first fourth if still there.


    DE
    -Clowney/Yannick Ngakoue 4 year deal
    -Curtis Weaver Boise State if available
    -Khalid Kareem Notre Dame 2nd round pick
    -Vic Beasley/Leonard Williams one year deals

    DT
    -Reed one year deal
    -Mike Daniels one year deal
    -L.J. Collier 20lbs gain move inside
    -Ross Blacklock TCU 3-4 round


    This is just some options on what they could do. Do believe could get all with other needs. And I know the question was just free agents coming in. Just wanted add some options from draft.
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  • Polk738 wrote:Since the pass rush was the biggest weakness this year I really think Pete and John go big on the D-line this off season during FA, just like after 2012 when they brought in Avril and Bennett-who would you like them to sign?

    Clowney for sure, and then whoever is available bookend for a fair deal.
    I'm not so sure that "Pass Rush" was the weakest link this season, as I believe that Russ had his ass hanging out in the wind without a Run Game to help take the constant pressure off.
    Also, Having Bobby Wagner & KJ Wright covering Receivers was an eye opener, & was a gross misuse of their best assets.
    Getting a decent Corner opposite of Quill, would free up the LINE backers to flourish.
    Diggs & Mac helped out A BUNCH, which in turn, helped free up the LB's to take care of the intermediate.
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  • I think Ngakoue would fit in really well in this system.

    Clowney and Ngakoue would be nightmarish for QBs.
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  • I would be shocked if the Seahawks went all-in on free agency this offseason.

    The 2012 to 2014 pass rush was built on hitting teams with wave after wave of fresh bodies.

    Chris Clemmons was on his 4th team when he joined the Seahawks in 2010.

    Cliff Avril was a "situational pass rusher" because he had one double digited sack season before he signed with the Seahawks.

    Michale Bennett was cut by the Seahawks his rookie year then had 3 average years in Tampa Bay then one big year before he hit the market at 27.

    Clinton McDonald was on the Seahawks since 2011 and did NOTHING until 2013. However, he was a major force with 4 of his 5 sacks coming on 3rd down.

    Bruce Irvin rookie DE who was moved to OLB after his 8 sack rookie season and only had 2 sacks. So he was kind of a one-trick blitz pony at this point in his career.


    So who are those types of players going into 2020? Since we don't know who will be cut

    Edge rushers

    Kyle Fackrell 28 GB
    Parnell McPhee 31 Bal
    JPP 31 TB
    Markus Golden 29 NYG
    Robert Quinn 30 Dal
    Kerry Hyder 29 Dal
    Bruce Irvin (Bridges might be burnt)
    Vic Besley 28 ATL
    Vinny Curry 28 PHI


    DT

    Gerald McCoy 32 Car still had 5 sacks last season
    Vernon Butler 26 Car


    Potential cap cuts.

    Melvin Ingram 30 14 million savings if cut
    Olivier Vernon 29 15 million savings if cut
    Geno Atkins 31 7 million savings if cut. The Bangles keep players to the detriment of the team so this one is unlikely.
    Ryan Kerrigan 31 11 million savings if cut.
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  • By my estimation we have a ton of potential cap space to play with due to the way NFL contracts typically escalate into the future. When DeMarcus Lawrence signed his 21m APY extension the cap hit that first season was only 11m. Frank Clark (20.8m APY) had a 2019 cap hit of only 6.5m, while Trey Flowers (18m APY) had a 2019 cap hit of 6.4m.

    Then factor in that the cap will likely be going up and that we could clear further cap space by restructuring or cutting Britt, KJ and Dickson. We have a lot of potential incoming rookies who will be competing for roster slots on cheap deals. With 19 UFAs there's a good chance we will be looking at comp picks next year which would allow us to trade a mid round 2021 pick or two to shore up weak areas in training camp.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:I would be shocked if the Seahawks went all-in on free agency this offseason.

    The 2012 to 2014 pass rush was built on hitting teams with wave after wave of fresh bodies.

    Chris Clemmons was on his 4th team when he joined the Seahawks in 2010.

    Cliff Avril was a "situational pass rusher" because he had one double digited sack season before he signed with the Seahawks.

    Michale Bennett was cut by the Seahawks his rookie year then had 3 average years in Tampa Bay then one big year before he hit the market at 27.

    Clinton McDonald was on the Seahawks since 2011 and did NOTHING until 2013. However, he was a major force with 4 of his 5 sacks coming on 3rd down.

    Bruce Irvin rookie DE who was moved to OLB after his 8 sack rookie season and only had 2 sacks. So he was kind of a one-trick blitz pony at this point in his career.


    So who are those types of players going into 2020? Since we don't know who will be cut

    Edge rushers

    Kyle Fackrell 28 GB
    Parnell McPhee 31 Bal
    JPP 31 TB
    Markus Golden 29 NYG
    Robert Quinn 30 Dal
    Kerry Hyder 29 Dal
    Bruce Irvin (Bridges might be burnt)
    Vic Besley 28 ATL
    Vinny Curry 28 PHI


    DT

    Gerald McCoy 32 Car still had 5 sacks last season
    Vernon Butler 26 Car


    Potential cap cuts.

    Melvin Ingram 30 14 million savings if cut
    Olivier Vernon 29 15 million savings if cut
    Geno Atkins 31 7 million savings if cut. The Bangles keep players to the detriment of the team so this one is unlikely.
    Ryan Kerrigan 31 11 million savings if cut.





    This is very true about the 2012-2014 pass rush and I really think PC wants to get back to that, so I will agree that Clowney will be resigned but I'm pretty sure we are all in agreeance that he needs help and they will bring in more bodies to do this-The reason I think they go all in is because they have NEVER had this much cap space since PC has been with this team, Bennett and Avril were game changers for this team in 2013 they need to find those guys again for 2020.
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  • Sign Clowney and let the rest fall where they do.
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  • Screw Clowney at 23 mil. That’s toxic. I’m with Mista. All in on Bud Dupree. Consolation prizes would be Quinn and Judon
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  • Good post!

    Whoever Carroll finds, I’m sure he wants to go the same route he did when he signed Bennett and Avril.

    Both got paid the same as far as I can remember with one signing a one year deal, if I remember correctly.

    sdog1981 said it/thought it best, Carroll, may be looking for under utilized “cast offs.”

    Maybe no one other than Clowney gets paid and Carroll goes after one or two of the guys sdog mentions.

    sdog1981 wrote:I would be shocked if the Seahawks went all-in on free agency this offseason.

    The 2012 to 2014 pass rush was built on hitting teams with wave after wave of fresh bodies.

    Chris Clemmons was on his 4th team when he joined the Seahawks in 2010.

    Cliff Avril was a "situational pass rusher" because he had one double digited sack season before he signed with the Seahawks.

    Michale Bennett was cut by the Seahawks his rookie year then had 3 average years in Tampa Bay then one big year before he hit the market at 27.

    Clinton McDonald was on the Seahawks since 2011 and did NOTHING until 2013. However, he was a major force with 4 of his 5 sacks coming on 3rd down.

    Bruce Irvin rookie DE who was moved to OLB after his 8 sack rookie season and only had 2 sacks. So he was kind of a one-trick blitz pony at this point in his career.


    So who are those types of players going into 2020? Since we don't know who will be cut

    Edge rushers

    Kyle Fackrell 28 GB
    Parnell McPhee 31 Bal
    JPP 31 TB
    Markus Golden 29 NYG
    Robert Quinn 30 Dal
    Kerry Hyder 29 Dal
    Bruce Irvin (Bridges might be burnt)
    Vic Besley 28 ATL
    Vinny Curry 28 PHI


    DT

    Gerald McCoy 32 Car still had 5 sacks last season
    Vernon Butler 26 Car


    Potential cap cuts.

    Melvin Ingram 30 14 million savings if cut
    Olivier Vernon 29 15 million savings if cut
    Geno Atkins 31 7 million savings if cut. The Bangles keep players to the detriment of the team so this one is unlikely.
    Ryan Kerrigan 31 11 million savings if cut.
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  • If they sign Clowny to a 20 million a year deal which would be 6 million below Frank Clark year over year. I'm all in on that due to the draft picks the Hawks got for Clark.

    To really pull off what the Seahawks want to do they will need 4 pass rushers and only 1 of them need to be elite.

    Clowney, Griffin, Green are all in that mix.

    Naz Jones? I have no clue what is going on with him. 2020 is the last year on his rookie deal.

    There is not a lot left on this team in terms of a pass rush. This team needs to bring in around 4 to 5 players via free agency and the draft to turn things around.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:If they sign Clowny to a 20 million a year deal which would be 6 million below Frank Clark year over year. I'm all in on that due to the draft picks the Hawks got for Clark.

    To really pull off what the Seahawks want to do they will need 4 pass rushers and only 1 of them need to be elite.

    Clowney, Griffin, Green are all in that mix.

    Naz Jones? I have no clue what is going on with him. 2020 is the last year on his rookie deal.

    There is not a lot left on this team in terms of a pass rush. This team needs to bring in around 4 to 5 players via free agency and the draft to turn things around.

    I’d like to see some free agent sign with Seattle.

    Probably not going to be a household name (my guess) hopefully it works out.
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  • Tical21 wrote:Screw Clowney at 23 mil. That’s toxic. I’m with Mista. All in on Bud Dupree. Consolation prizes would be Quinn and Judon

    I would have serious doubts about John Schneider if he let Clowney walk for Dupree. Dupree's pass-rush win rate is 13.1% which is worse than Quinton Jefferson (16%) and Clowney (25%).
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  • Polk738 wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:I would be shocked if the Seahawks went all-in on free agency this offseason.

    The 2012 to 2014 pass rush was built on hitting teams with wave after wave of fresh bodies.

    Chris Clemmons was on his 4th team when he joined the Seahawks in 2010.

    Cliff Avril was a "situational pass rusher" because he had one double digited sack season before he signed with the Seahawks.

    Michale Bennett was cut by the Seahawks his rookie year then had 3 average years in Tampa Bay then one big year before he hit the market at 27.

    Clinton McDonald was on the Seahawks since 2011 and did NOTHING until 2013. However, he was a major force with 4 of his 5 sacks coming on 3rd down.

    Bruce Irvin rookie DE who was moved to OLB after his 8 sack rookie season and only had 2 sacks. So he was kind of a one-trick blitz pony at this point in his career.


    So who are those types of players going into 2020? Since we don't know who will be cut

    Edge rushers

    Kyle Fackrell 28 GB
    Parnell McPhee 31 Bal
    JPP 31 TB
    Markus Golden 29 NYG
    Robert Quinn 30 Dal
    Kerry Hyder 29 Dal
    Bruce Irvin (Bridges might be burnt)
    Vic Besley 28 ATL
    Vinny Curry 28 PHI


    DT

    Gerald McCoy 32 Car still had 5 sacks last season
    Vernon Butler 26 Car


    Potential cap cuts.

    Melvin Ingram 30 14 million savings if cut
    Olivier Vernon 29 15 million savings if cut
    Geno Atkins 31 7 million savings if cut. The Bangles keep players to the detriment of the team so this one is unlikely.
    Ryan Kerrigan 31 11 million savings if cut.





    This is very true about the 2012-2014 pass rush and I really think PC wants to get back to that, so I will agree that Clowney will be resigned but I'm pretty sure we are all in agreeance that he needs help and they will bring in more bodies to do this-The reason I think they go all in is because they have NEVER had this much cap space since PC has been with this team, Bennett and Avril were game changers for this team in 2013 they need to find those guys again for 2020.


    Wait, I was told last year, you can't pay a QB $35M a year and still have cap space to build a team. :lol: And now they have the most ever in the PC era. :D :D

    PC/JS did sign Zach Miller, Sidney Rice, and Robert Gallery, in one off-season back in the day. Seattle isn't afraid to be big spenders in Free Agency, it's just that they couldn't after that because they hit on a ton of picks and it was a struggle just trying to keep their own.


    Re-Signing Clowney and snagging, Robert Quinn, along with someone like, Melvin Ingram, if cut would be a huge coo.

    But yeah, they need Bennett, Avril, Clemons, reincarnated. They need a Hydra. Clowney was doubled so often it was ridiculous. They have to get him help. Thankfully, they have a ton of cap space to get this done.
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  • This is very true the team needs a complimentary player to Clowney so the edge rush is not one sided. His effectiveness was seriously limited by the reality there was no other player that needed to be accounted for so every opponent got away with doubling JC. Keeping Clowney and adding a real Leo will solve the pass rush from the edges. Reed failed to show up as expected last season and was a disappointment as an interior pass rusher. The team needs that genuine 3 tech they have been trying to find for a few years now, Reed isn't the guy.

    Even then the most dominant performance I can ever recall from a Seahawks DE came from Clowney in the SF game in their house. But that performance hurt him and he was thereafter less effective as he dealt with a sports hernia. Clowney to me is worth paying but so would be a good Leo and if not that a legit 3 tech, who can also be stout against the run.

    I had hopes for Green at the outset and just don't know what the team has in him, suspect he's a complimentary depth quality DE but he could be more. Collier is a mystery and maybe is a player who needs to move inside. There are numerous players who could compliment Clowney at either Leo or 3 Tech, the missing pass rush was noticeably a weakness of the D this last season and is certainly likely to be a priority in FA and/or the draft.

    This offseason will tell a lot about the FO's goals for the team short term I expect JS and PC to be active repairing a DLine where the cupboard has become mostly empty. The same can be said about the OLine.
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  • JPP.
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  • If Akiem Hicks and Melvin Ingram are available, Hicks would have a $10M cap hit for each of the next two seasons and Ingram a $14M cap hit this season before becoming a UFA

    Clowney, Hicks, Reed, Ingram

    Shaq Lawson on a cheap deal would be a bonus.
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  • knownone wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Screw Clowney at 23 mil. That’s toxic. I’m with Mista. All in on Bud Dupree. Consolation prizes would be Quinn and Judon

    I would have serious doubts about John Schneider if he let Clowney walk for Dupree. Dupree's pass-rush win rate is 13.1% which is worse than Quinton Jefferson (16%) and Clowney (25%).

    Agree ^ The Pass Rush, pressures & hits are every bit as important as Sack count.
    Our weakest link last season (until we brought in Diggs) was the Secondary; Our Linebackers weren't nearly as effective because they were being tasked to help cover for the secondary's weakness in covering Receivers.
    That's why many folks around here were complaining that Wright & Wagner weren't producing like they'd done in years past, or looking like they'd lost a step.
    Quarterbacks were taking advantage of the breakdown in coverage, and doing quick dump-offs, which Kills the hits, pressures & sacks.
    How many "Coverage Sacks" did the Seahawks register last year?....yeah. :34853_doh:
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  • Ngkoue would be my first choice.
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  • Ngkoue Or Dante Fowler plus resigning Clowney.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:Ngkoue would be my first choice.



    ^ This.

    I would do this as well. Him and Clowney would be a real terror to opposing QB's. Personally I would let Reed walk to free up money for Ngkoue and perhaps go for Gerald McCoy as our short term 3tech for a more reasonable price as he still pushes the interior pocket on QB's. Put those three together with Ford or Mone and you have a potential dominant line. Add in Jefferson and Al Wood for very cap friendly contracts and we are in business.
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  • kf3339 wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:Ngkoue would be my first choice.



    ^ This.

    I would do this as well. Him and Clowney would be a real terror to opposing QB's. Personally I would let Reed walk to free up money for Ngkoue and perhaps go for Gerald McCoy as our short term 3tech for a more reasonable price as he still pushes the interior pocket on QB's. Put those three together with Ford or Mone and you have a potential dominant line. Add in Jefferson and Al Wood for very cap friendly contracts and we are in business.


    Sounds good to me. We might pick up more $ if they increase the cap limit, as I hear they are considering. That should help us with a killer CB that we desperately need for our secondary. I'm not seeing that level in any of our projects.
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  • Stated in another thread the first drafts of where F.A.'s may go is out with Indy, Arizona and Atlanta being active players and then New England. Bill will hold out signing guys till Arizona and Indy throw money at the first few, oh and Las Vegas that is going to take getting used to is also slated to be active.

    We will wait till the third tier guys are left after much hand wringing on this board of why we didn't give guys 200 million dollar contracts lol.
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  • STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.
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  • knownone wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:Screw Clowney at 23 mil. That’s toxic. I’m with Mista. All in on Bud Dupree. Consolation prizes would be Quinn and Judon

    I would have serious doubts about John Schneider if he let Clowney walk for Dupree. Dupree's pass-rush win rate is 13.1% which is worse than Quinton Jefferson (16%) and Clowney (25%).

    PRWR is based on the shape of the pocket after 2.5 seconds. I'd argue not every "win" is created equal, and the ideal metric would be Pass Rush Disengagement Rate.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    What I have seen coming out of Jacksonville is that he is extremely pissed off at how their front office handled initial offers and that he may not want to play for them anymore. Possibly to the point that he will not sign a franchise tender. If that comes to pass, I want Seattle to be there to pick up the pieces. He is the real deal and worth the money that everyone expects us to offer Clowney.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.

    Jacksonville has shown they consistently don’t keep talent and that they will trade top talent away. If I’m Seattle I easily trade a 1st to Jacksonville for a franchised Ngakoue
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  • sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    I tend to agree with you but would have thought the same about Clowney last year.
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  • hburn21 wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.

    Jacksonville has shown they consistently don’t keep talent and that they will trade top talent away. If I’m Seattle I easily trade a 1st to Jacksonville for a franchised Ngakoue


    A late 1? Not enough.
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  • BASF wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    What I have seen coming out of Jacksonville is that he is extremely pissed off at how their front office handled initial offers and that he may not want to play for them anymore. Possibly to the point that he will not sign a franchise tender. If that comes to pass, I want Seattle to be there to pick up the pieces. He is the real deal and worth the money that everyone expects us to offer Clowney.


    Definitely believable considering what Tom Coughlin has supposedly done to the culture over there, it's no surprise that Ramsey wanted out, pretty sure a lot more are soon to follow.
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  • getnasty wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    I tend to agree with you but would have thought the same about Clowney last year.


    Clowney has been a bust since his rookie year, so it was easy to get him.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    I tend to agree with you but would have thought the same about Clowney last year.


    Clowney has been a bust since his rookie year, so it was easy to get him.


    See, I am not so sure about that. I have already posted about how I do not want them to overpay for Clowney because his production was not there, specifically in sacks and QB hits. However, if he was being asked to pressure the linemen to give Watt and Mercilus more opportunities he was very successful. He was in the top ten for tackles for loss and solo tackles by a DE each of his years in Houston. If their scheme was dictating that he was not the one to get to the QB but penetrate forcing things in the other direction, then he did his job well. In 2017 when he did not have Watt and Mercilus to get to the QB, he finished a respectable nineteenth in sacks and QB hits with no one else in the front seven to be double teamed.
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  • What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?
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  • Bring in Robert Quinn so Russell doesn't have to seem him across the line in a game.
    Quinn terrorized Russell and the Hawks when with the Rams.
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  • massari wrote:What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?

    I would rather sign a lower tier pass rusher in free agency than give up all those picks to pay Ngakoue 20M.
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  • knownone wrote:
    massari wrote:What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?

    I would rather sign a lower tier pass rusher in free agency than give up all those picks to pay Ngakoue 20M.


    Absolutely agree. Those trade picks and sign to a large deal rarely pay off. Reminds me of the Branch trade and in our favor the Galloway trade. Flat out the team needs to do a better job of drafting. Collier and Rasheem Green have severely underperformed based on where they were drafted.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.


    I tend to agree with you but would have thought the same about Clowney last year.


    Clowney has been a bust since his rookie year, so it was easy to get him.


    Both will be free agents both will get big money. If you look at every top 50 free agent list out there Clowney comes in ranked higher then Ngakoue so if Clowney's a bust then i guess Ngakoue is too?
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  • massari wrote:What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?


    You could just sign Fowler, Armstead for cheaper and keep the picks.
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  • Check out JPP's sacks per game the last two years... combine that with his approx price (7-9MM) and I don't know if there's a better 4-3 target.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:STOP posting about Ngakoue. HE WILL NOT BE A FREE AGENT!!!!!!!

    The dude is 24, he is going to get a max deal and be franchised at least two more times.

    I dunno, they are projected OVER the cap without him. Only Minnesota has more committed money next year. I don't think there is any way they can come up with 20 mil to franchise him. The Seahawks have 59 million. The Jaguars have -2.

    That said, I'm sure a couple players will get franchised. So should we STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD and come back to it after franchise tags?
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  • massari wrote:What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?


    As much as this team played gutsy and won enough games to get themselves to compete in the divisional round, this is a deeply flawed team. Most teams are, but we need to improve in way too many positions to trade away picks for a guy who will get such a large contract. This team is not one piece away from being in the Super Bowl, it is at least seven or eight.
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  • Carrol just wants to see a pass rush with the base 4. He seems to think that would enable the whole rest of the defense. With the cap increasing every year (as has been mentioned), a big Clowney deal would be smaller every year. Wilson's deal doesn't seem all that back-breaking anymore. (of course there is what he did in the playoffs)

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  • What’s everyone’s opinion on Robert Quinn jr?
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  • Clowney will be re-signed, and his PERFECT bookend is Von Miller.

    Make it happen.
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  • massari wrote:What does everyone think about trading the 1st (27) + 2nd (64) for Ngakoue ($20M APY) to start opposite Clowney ($20M APY)?

    It's basically a reversal of the Frank Clark trade which most of us seemed to love at the time, and probably still love if Collier or Ansah showed something.

    So, is he that much better than some of the other top FA's to warrant giving up a couple of high picks?



    Regardless what you say that avatar thing you got going drives me NUTS! :lol: :lol: :lol:

    As for the trade I think just our 1st pick would do. Maybe another that was later round, but not our 2nd and 3rd rounders.
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  • hburn21 wrote:What’s everyone’s opinion on Robert Quinn jr?

    I'm in.
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  • I would LOVE getting Robert Quinn, and was extremely disappointed when we didn't trade for him in 2019! I couldn't believe it because Dallas STOLE that player!

    Jerry Jones wants Quinn back, so I doubt we see him hit the market.

    I'm all in on JPP, great value for the production, and talented enough to take some of the MASSIVE double teams Clowney was facing!

    Pay Clowney 22 million if that's what he wants, but spread it out for 5 years. That way, as the Cap goes up, and DEs get more and more each consecutive year, it will look like a STEAL 3 years from now.

    About trading (Frank Clark type) picks and money for Yannick Ngakoue, NO! Yannick Ngakoue is not as talented as Frank Clark!
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  • Largent80 wrote:Clowney will be re-signed, and his PERFECT bookend is Von Miller.

    Make it happen.


    Still owed a TON of money, and will likely take a pick or two.

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