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  • Statistically, I think that's right. Not many other teams where one player made such a significant impact on the team's success. Always arguable, of course, because that's how it works.
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  • sutz wrote:Statistically, I think that's right. Not many other teams where one player made such a significant impact on the team's success. Always arguable, of course, because that's how it works.



    Spot on, cosign.
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  • Very nice of these folks to recognize Wilson for the award, and Russ IS as deserving as anyone could be. But awards like this are kind of like getting a pewter mockup of the gold a silver prize the NFL dishes out. Right?
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  • Appyhawk wrote:Very nice of these folks to recognize Wilson for the award, and Russ IS as deserving as anyone could be. But awards like this are kind of like getting a pewter mockup of the gold a silver prize the NFL dishes out. Right?


    Not really, they actually matter adn will ge tliste dunder their awrds in their NFL profiles
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  • interesting line form article

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    “While Jackson had an entire offense built around his strengths and had a coaching staff that embraced analytics to extend drives and steal fine winning margins, Wilson was dealing with a situation that consistently put him behind the eight ball then asked him to dig the team out of a hole,” PFF writer Sam Monson wrote. “The fact that he was able to do just that as consistently as he did only stands testament to his MVP-caliber season.”

    Sure seems like one could infer that the guy is claiming the Hawks offense isn't built around RW's strengths. Another implication sort of centers on what many of us have complained about for a long time regrading PC's offensive philosophy: Very little risk/innovation in the first half of games which leads to the need for a furious 4th quarter comeback..."

    Interestingly the over all sentiment is shared by all the experts.
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  • Of course...MVP for the team is what it is...he's been a 1 man band for 4th quarter comebacks for years .
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  • Although Wilson is no doubt our mvp I think Derrick Henry was a one man show on his team. Hopefully in the offseason Pete and John get it figured out what pieces and coaching adjustments to build around Wilson.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:Although Wilson is no doubt our mvp I think Derrick Henry was a one man show on his team. Hopefully in the offseason Pete and John get it figured out what pieces and coaching adjustments to build around Wilson.

    They are adding nice pieces(Metcalf, Lockett, Dissly etc)-I really hope they also add more OLine depth too. The adjustments they need to work on.
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  • John63 wrote:interesting line form article

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    “While Jackson had an entire offense built around his strengths and had a coaching staff that embraced analytics to extend drives and steal fine winning margins, Wilson was dealing with a situation that consistently put him behind the eight ball then asked him to dig the team out of a hole,” PFF writer Sam Monson wrote. “The fact that he was able to do just that as consistently as he did only stands testament to his MVP-caliber season.”

    Sure seems like one could infer that the guy is claiming the Hawks offense isn't built around RW's strengths. Another implication sort of centers on what many of us have complained about for a long time regrading PC's offensive philosophy: Very little risk/innovation in the first half of games which leads to the need for a furious 4th quarter comeback..."

    Interestingly the over all sentiment is shared by all the experts.



    Jackson's offense is geared around him as a runner and passer, and putting his career at risk from the hits he takes.

    PC changed that approach with Wilson years ago. And while many argue the offense doesn't fit RWs skill set, he signed two large extensions and accepts the money to play here, happily.

    That large investment in the QB who would be so much better if the coach and GM could just give him on O-line, limits the teams ability to sign better O-line players.

    And defensive players, skill players, etc., etc.

    For all the nonsense about the staff limiting his potential, they have helped RW become the richest man in football, and he clearly appreciates that as he collects those checks. And here he is getting MVP credentials now, too.

    RWs actions are pretty loud here. Rest is just noise from armchair coaches. They can all get better. But RW needs to do his part too
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  • Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.
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  • The further away you get from Seahawks land the more prevailing the thought that Seattle doesn't maximize it's situation with Wilson. That's interesting.
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.

    ^^^-----------> THIS !! <------^^^--------^^^
    All the injuries to Wilson's supporting cast this season should have been all Pete needed to see for him to pull the trigger on shoring up for his MVP.
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.



    Brees success is no different than Wilson's. They built their winning teams around him, While Seattle had more balance8.

    Mahomes is on a rookie contract. Pretty easy to build around him.

    This is the flawed logic of this discussion. You can't build a team around one player without it leaving other areas short. PC has done better than most in trying to create balance.

    I guess what I'm inferring here is how the FO handles the draft and free agency. Thus is a huge off season
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  • There a some here who want to turn this news into a negative.

    He's certainly not a MVP b/c he's the only show in town. He is however the engine of our O and has been special in manufacturing team lead late game recoveries. Wilson is a remarkable talent. There is to me little doubt he was most valuable player to the Seahawks and comparatively more so than the others who were close.

    This is a deserved honour.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.



    Brees success is no different than Wilson's. They built their winning teams around him, While Seattle had more balance8.

    Mahomes is on a rookie contract. Pretty easy to build around him.

    This is the flawed logic of this discussion. You can't build a team around one player without it leaving other areas short. PC has done better than most in trying to create balance.

    I guess what I'm inferring here is how the FO handles the draft and free agency. Thus is a huge off season


    You may be right or Wilson is a generational talent that covers up some of Pete's failures. I don't think there is an easy answer and it's fluid but I lean towards Wilson covering up for a failure to put together a decent line. That is the biggest failure of Pete's efforts which is odd because the style he wants to run works best with a good line. Running and deep vertical passing off of that work best with a good line and yet they've failed. Wilson with his ability to play of script and move has masked this. I'm not saying Pete has done a terrible job he's done really well in most areas, it's just odd he failed in what was probably the most crucial for system.

    This is a huge off season though and I think they make some big splash plays because Pete knows he only has a couple years left. He's going to go all in
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  • Wilson's MVP worthiness was never in question. He was carrying more deadweight on his back than Lamar Jackson ever was.
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  • The other two have OLines that can protect them as well.
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  • 12 Ravens selected to the Pro Bowl and 2 Seahawks. Lamar Jackson is a special talent but who wouldn’t shine with 11 other Pro Bowlers on the team?
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  • Pete is a defensive-minded coach.

    Wilson is a tremendous offensive asset, capable of being one of the best offensive players in the league. That he won the MVP while only producing for 4 quarters in close to half his games is a testament to his greatness.

    We will never get the full value of Wilson while under Pete, because Pete's predilections are towards the defense.

    It is what we have. We can be thankful we have a great QB that can even produce under these conditions, much less put up MVP numbers.

    The bigger challenge is that paying as much as we must for one of the best QBs in the game, we have no choice but to lose the ability to pay for a good defense. Pete probably isn't aware his defense sucks. Or maybe he does but just is committed to fixing it. (He won't because you cannot pay to cover up all the holes in it.)

    It has worked for so many years for Pete it is hard to argue for change. Yet we have a QB that tilts the field when we finally unleash him.

    Where that leaves us is we are still going to have our HC coaching like his defense isn't a laughingstock, only to turn to his QB at the end of the game or sometimes when we start getting far enough behind we have no choice. Part of me wonders if Pete feels he has to do this because his OL cannot handle the pressure of pass protecting for 4 quarters. But it likely is just the reality that a defensive-minded coach will go with what he knows and is comfortable with, piling points up on the other team is not really part of the plan for him. Pete seems to believe you win by focusing on limiting scoring, not by focusing on scoring more.

    This translates into less scoring opportunities for our offense.

    To get an MVP in those kinds of conditions is actually amazing. But Wilson does it. That is pretty incredible by itself.
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  • I wish they awarded an MVP and a Player Of The Year as separate categories. Russ deserved MVP, but Lamar deserved POY.

    I agree Russ could have been doing everything Lamar is doing now, but he would likely be in the RG3 situation after a few years. There's a reason most RBs don't last long in this league, nor do QBs that get hit a dozen times every week.
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  • It certainly helps that he didn't have Doug telling him how much he sucks all the time this year :stirthepot:
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  • austinslater25 wrote:The further away you get from Seahawks land the more prevailing the thought that Seattle doesn't maximize it's situation with Wilson. That's interesting.

    Is it? So, the less you know about the Seahawks situation, the more likely it is that you believe we should be passing more often. Think this one through again.
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  • Hold on, let me go make up another batch...……..
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:The further away you get from Seahawks land the more prevailing the thought that Seattle doesn't maximize it's situation with Wilson. That's interesting.

    Is it? So, the less you know about the Seahawks situation, the more likely it is that you believe we should be passing more often. Think this one through again.


    1 thing that will never change Ticals ability to make statement without facts that are wrong and not on topic with the thread, but only his anti Wilson agenda. Forget nearly every expert out there agrees we are not maximizing Wilson, and forget to do so does not mean throw more as we threw 32 times a game with was 12th most. IT is nto about the attempts but the system, types and timing. Something that does not help you narrative, and something you have yet to grasp.
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  • Him and I used to go back and forth a lot, but we're cool these days. I just always wondered what Russ did to him personally :lol:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Him and I used to go back and forth a lot, but we're cool these days. I just always wondered what Russ did to him personally :lol:



    Simple Wilson was born
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:The further away you get from Seahawks land the more prevailing the thought that Seattle doesn't maximize it's situation with Wilson. That's interesting.

    Is it? So, the less you know about the Seahawks situation, the more likely it is that you believe we should be passing more often. Think this one through again.



    First of all I never stated my opinion on the matter. Secondly if you don't want to engage with me why do you keep doing it? If you're trying to be civil and fresh start this then fine I'll provide an answer. I think your bias is clouding your Wilson judgement. Remember you're the guy who said 25 other guys could have done what Wilson did early in his career and if we re-sign him it CAN'T work and we won't continue winning year after year. Since you asked(sort of) I think it's a complicated issue. The offense in general is a good fit for Wilson. He's fantastic on the vertical stuff, helps with the running game, Doesn't make many bad decisions etc. But I think a slight move of the needle could unlock this offense and take it to another level, especially if the line was improved. I've also never said we should pass more but my issue has always been sequencing which Seattle apparently agreed because they passed more on first down than in years past. Which oddly you told me I was wrong about before this year, I guess Pete/Schott are wrong too. I'm rambling but it was never about throwing 50 times a game. It's about predictability, the types of passing, sequencing etc. Schott isn't terrible but I think the offense can be better and more consistent with changes and Wilson could be even better.
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  • Please don't mischaracterize my statements. I said 25 QBs would have won one Super Bowl with a roster that was for 5 years the best in the league by a considerable margin.

    I never said we couldn't win with Russell if we re-signed him. Never once. Not even close. I, in-fact, promised it was the best route if you want to continue to remain competitive and make the playoffs every year, but not at all the best route if your ultimate goal is to win another Super Bowl.

    Correlation != Causation as per the running game.

    Here you go again with your "I guess Pete/Schott are wrong too" bs. Give over. That stuff is "I don't have an opinion of my own" so I'm going to be annoying 101. Was annoying when kids in grade school did it. You're an adult.

    FWIW we scored more points in 18 than 19 by about 2 PPG. Was passing more a good thing?
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  • So you try to give a lesson on correlation vs causation and then use the 2 PPG as proof passing more was a bad idea? So its not the multiple injuries along the whole offensive line, losing Dissly who looked like your #2 option early in the year, having your best receiver retire and then losing 3 running backs late in the year as well as playing a much tougher schedule? real strong argument Scott. Passing more I'm sure was the reason we were down 2 PPG, holy $h!t dude you can't be serious. And also since you screwed this up I didn't say passing more I said they passed more early on in downs which I think helped. Healthy line, Dissly back, healthy running backs and factoring in the competition yeah I feel pretty confident it was the smart thing to do.

    Not paying Wilson would have been catastrophic for the Seahawks.

    Quit with the childish "I don't have an opinion of my own" I just gave you a strong opinion and supported it with multiple reasons why I believe what I believe.

    Do you want to have an adult conversation or not? If you're just wanting to be a d*ck then quit asking me questions. If you want to discuss it then fine I'll do that too. But this back and forth $h!t is stupid and gums up the board.
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  • Just make another alt, we can take it to Twitter.
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  • Or how about you tweet at Alex Hill, Evans wife, kiss her ass as well as tweet at both of them and Ben daily but come in here and complain about them. For anyone curious take a look at Scott's Twitter account. It's embarrassing. Oh well many had a good laugh about it today.

    I'm sure everyone in here will agree with you that's the 2 less PPG were because we passed more and not the multiple reasons I listed led by massive amounts of injuries at the skill positions and Offensive line let alone Wilson's MVP type season. You're embarrassing yourself. I loved that you ignored the critique and only posted an attempted insult. Lol
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  • austinslater25 wrote:Or how about you tweet at Alex Hill, Evans wife, kiss her ass as well as tweet at both of them and Ben daily but come in here and complain about them. For anyone curious take a look at Scott's Twitter account. It's embarrassing. Oh well many had a good laugh about it today.

    I'm sure everyone in here will agree with you that's the 2 less PPG were because we passed more and not the multiple reasons I listed led by massive amounts of injuries at the skill positions and offe since line let along Wilson's MVP type season. You're embarrassing yourself. I loved that you ignored the critique and only posted an attempted insult. Lol

    Dude, are you really going to comment on Twitter accounts? Really? You? Of everyone. I get you’re obsessed with me and Ryan, but really?? Many had a laugh today? Like, I don’t think anybody else does that man.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:Or how about you tweet at Alex Hill, Evans wife, kiss her ass as well as tweet at both of them and Ben daily but come in here and complain about them. For anyone curious take a look at Scott's Twitter account. It's embarrassing. Oh well many had a good laugh about it today.

    I'm sure everyone in here will agree with you that's the 2 less PPG were because we passed more and not the multiple reasons I listed led by massive amounts of injuries at the skill positions and Offensive line let alone Wilson's MVP type season. You're embarrassing yourself. I loved that you ignored the critique and only posted an attempted insult. Lol



    So far it is Austin 100 Tical 0. LOL
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  • Pineapple on Pizza. Yes or No?
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Pineapple on Pizza. Yes or No?

    Cold for breakfast, yes. Hot, no
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  • Cold Pizza flat out rocks.
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Or how about you tweet at Alex Hill, Evans wife, kiss her ass as well as tweet at both of them and Ben daily but come in here and complain about them. For anyone curious take a look at Scott's Twitter account. It's embarrassing. Oh well many had a good laugh about it today.

    I'm sure everyone in here will agree with you that's the 2 less PPG were because we passed more and not the multiple reasons I listed led by massive amounts of injuries at the skill positions and offe since line let along Wilson's MVP type season. You're embarrassing yourself. I loved that you ignored the critique and only posted an attempted insult. Lol

    Dude, are you really going to comment on Twitter accounts? Really? You? Of everyone. I get you’re obsessed with me and Ryan, but really?? Many had a laugh today? Like, I don’t think anybody else does that man.


    Says the guy who trolls multiple accounts daily and got caught. You're really going to call out anyone for trolling you? I honestly thought this would be tougher. I think your discord group of 4 people left you a little ill prepared for actual adult discussions. Still want to plant your flag on the extra passing being the problem?
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  • And I'll eat pineapple on pizza all day.
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  • You’re really gonna quote me on your sig, inaccurately? You’re really gonna make up $h!t and hope people believe I said it? I say enough $h!t, at least have the decency to quote me accurately. Ffs. Lol you’re too much man. And then you tell me to be an adult. What’s your deal man?
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  • I see both sides.

    You're not good at this.

    Check mate.
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  • Oh, and I’m @ScottVMeyers on Twitter, if anyone is interested. Would love to interact with y’all.
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  • Forgot- you're embarrassing yourself
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  • We can switch to football at any time. I tried to steer it that way remember? This is on you Scott.
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  • Pehawk to the rescue lol
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  • I do wanna see examples of Scott brown nosing Alex and Evan. I'll unfollow him immediately.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    John63 wrote:interesting line form article

    "
    “While Jackson had an entire offense built around his strengths and had a coaching staff that embraced analytics to extend drives and steal fine winning margins, Wilson was dealing with a situation that consistently put him behind the eight ball then asked him to dig the team out of a hole,” PFF writer Sam Monson wrote. “The fact that he was able to do just that as consistently as he did only stands testament to his MVP-caliber season.”

    Sure seems like one could infer that the guy is claiming the Hawks offense isn't built around RW's strengths. Another implication sort of centers on what many of us have complained about for a long time regrading PC's offensive philosophy: Very little risk/innovation in the first half of games which leads to the need for a furious 4th quarter comeback..."

    Interestingly the over all sentiment is shared by all the experts.



    Jackson's offense is geared around him as a runner and passer, and putting his career at risk from the hits he takes.

    PC changed that approach with Wilson years ago. And while many argue the offense doesn't fit RWs skill set, he signed two large extensions and accepts the money to play here, happily.

    That large investment in the QB who would be so much better if the coach and GM could just give him on O-line, limits the teams ability to sign better O-line players.

    And defensive players, skill players, etc., etc.

    For all the nonsense about the staff limiting his potential, they have helped RW become the richest man in football, and he clearly appreciates that as he collects those checks. And here he is getting MVP credentials now, too.

    RWs actions are pretty loud here. Rest is just noise from armchair coaches. They can all get better. But RW needs to do his part too

    Being awarded the MVP by Pro Football Focus says that RW IS "Doing His Part".
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  • jammerhawk wrote:There a some here who want to turn this news into a negative.

    He's certainly not a MVP b/c he's the only show in town. He is however the engine of our O and has been special in manufacturing team lead late game recoveries. Wilson is a remarkable talent. There is to me little doubt he was most valuable player to the Seahawks and comparatively more so than the others who were close.

    This is a deserved honour.

    :irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers: :irishdrinkers:
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  • I’m convinced Wilson is tired of the lame duck no show offense in the first 3 quarters.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.



    Brees success is no different than Wilson's. They built their winning teams around him, While Seattle had more balance8.

    Mahomes is on a rookie contract. Pretty easy to build around him.

    This is the flawed logic of this discussion. You can't build a team around one player without it leaving other areas short. PC has done better than most in trying to create balance.

    I guess what I'm inferring here is how the FO handles the draft and free agency. Thus is a huge off season


    You may be right or Wilson is a generational talent that covers up some of Pete's failures. I don't think there is an easy answer and it's fluid but I lean towards Wilson covering up for a failure to put together a decent line. That is the biggest failure of Pete's efforts which is odd because the style he wants to run works best with a good line. Running and deep vertical passing off of that work best with a good line and yet they've failed. Wilson with his ability to play of script and move has masked this. I'm not saying Pete has done a terrible job he's done really well in most areas, it's just odd he failed in what was probably the most crucial for system.

    This is a huge off season though and I think they make some big splash plays because Pete knows he only has a couple years left. He's going to go all in

    I think where the O-line is concerned, They've decided that if they were gonna have a deficiency, it was gonna be in pass pro vs run blocking. They collected a bunch of run blockers that are pretty good at that when relatively healthy and just so-so in pass pro. The effectiveness running + play action is enough to be decent in pass pro. When 1/2 starters go down, the run threat goes away, and pass pro is a disaster. The path they've taken with O-line really can't afford many injuries or any really long duration injuries. It would be nice to hit on a couple of young guys in that position group that come out of the box, just average for the NFL.
    I think Russell's skill set being what it is, is the reason they've gone that route. At some point though, they're gonna have to solidify that position group because Russell is only going to get older and less elusive.
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