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  • Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.
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  • OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.



    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:And I'll eat pineapple on pizza all day.

    That and/or olives.. :pukeface:
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  • TheLegendOfBoom wrote:I’m convinced Wilson is tired of the lame duck no show offense in the first 3 quarters.

    After 8 long years and tons of money he should be..
    I've been waiting for him force that change,kissing PC's ass wasn't going
    to make that happen..
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  • John63 wrote:
    OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.



    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.

    You do realize (you don't) that we tried a quick passing approach unsuccessfully several times this season after it worked originally. It is not sustainable for us. Uptempo they should probably try more. But do you notice how we often get up to the line with like 12 seconds left and then don't snap it until the last second? Why do you suppose that might be?

    Either way, I'm just so pumped we have our Anthony! back.
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  • And throw some Sriracha on any pizza or Mac and Cheese, that sh** is the bomb
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.



    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.

    You do realize (you don't) that we tried a quick passing approach unsuccessfully several times this season after it worked originally. It is not sustainable for us. Uptempo they should probably try more. But do you notice how we often get up to the line with like 12 seconds left and then don't snap it until the last second? Why do you suppose that might be?

    Either way, I'm just so pumped we have our Anthony! back.


    A new day...
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:And throw some Sriracha on any pizza or Mac and Cheese, that sh** is the bomb


    I'll have to try that. I'm on a BBQ sauce on Mac and Cheese lately.
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  • austinslater25 wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    OrangeGravy wrote:They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.



    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.

    You do realize (you don't) that we tried a quick passing approach unsuccessfully several times this season after it worked originally. It is not sustainable for us. Uptempo they should probably try more. But do you notice how we often get up to the line with like 12 seconds left and then don't snap it until the last second? Why do you suppose that might be?

    Either way, I'm just so pumped we have our Anthony! back.


    A new day

    Seriously,
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    John63 wrote:
    OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.



    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.

    You do realize (you don't) that we tried a quick passing approach unsuccessfully several times this season after it worked originally. It is not sustainable for us. Uptempo they should probably try more. But do you notice how we often get up to the line with like 12 seconds left and then don't snap it until the last second? Why do you suppose that might be?

    Either way, I'm just so pumped we have our Anthony! back.



    You do realize that you saying we did means nothing, as usual you provide NO proof of your statements that I and others have shown time and time again are false. But please keep making stuff up it appears everyone is catching on to your falshoods.
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  • Tical21 wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:
    John63 wrote:

    We know when we go uptempo/change tempo. Quick passing we move and score at will.

    You do realize (you don't) that we tried a quick passing approach unsuccessfully several times this season after it worked originally. It is not sustainable for us. Uptempo they should probably try more. But do you notice how we often get up to the line with like 12 seconds left and then don't snap it until the last second? Why do you suppose that might be?

    Either way, I'm just so pumped we have our Anthony! back.


    A new day a

    Seriously



    LOL
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  • Mod Edit:

    This is done.

    Moving on
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  • austinslater25 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:And throw some Sriracha on any pizza or Mac and Cheese, that sh** is the bomb


    I'll have to try that. I'm on a BBQ sauce on Mac and Cheese lately.

    I'm a Frank's Red Hot guy
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  • Fantastic choice as well.
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  • Frank's is really solid. Especially on some wings, or eggs, or fried taters
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  • OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Russell Wilson has made Russell Wilson the richest man in football. He’s overcome adversity, never missed a game, and makes plays no matter what injuries or chaos happens around him. Players won’t leave a team if they can get the stability. Teams can also franchise tag a player...twice. Great Quarterbacks aren’t going anywhere on most teams, no matter how flawed.


    I sincerely hope we build a team specifically for Russell Wilson. Pete still builds this team like its 2013 and that the passing game is a liability to the run game and defense. He wants a physical football running team, even though it leads to injuries.

    I want us to get faster. Draft a true number 3. A Mecole Hardman type that can take the top off a defense. Invest in the O-line. Pete can maximize young defensive talent.

    An offense that can protect, with a QB that can beat the blitz, scramble, and drop deep bombs would be extremely dangerous. We have the potential, I just hope Pete pulls the trigger. Prioritize building around Wilson, the way an offensive coach like Reid and Payton have done for Mahomes, Brees.



    Brees success is no different than Wilson's. They built their winning teams around him, While Seattle had more balance8.

    Mahomes is on a rookie contract. Pretty easy to build around him.

    This is the flawed logic of this discussion. You can't build a team around one player without it leaving other areas short. PC has done better than most in trying to create balance.

    I guess what I'm inferring here is how the FO handles the draft and free agency. Thus is a huge off season


    You may be right or Wilson is a generational talent that covers up some of Pete's failures. I don't think there is an easy answer and it's fluid but I lean towards Wilson covering up for a failure to put together a decent line. That is the biggest failure of Pete's efforts which is odd because the style he wants to run works best with a good line. Running and deep vertical passing off of that work best with a good line and yet they've failed. Wilson with his ability to play of script and move has masked this. I'm not saying Pete has done a terrible job he's done really well in most areas, it's just odd he failed in what was probably the most crucial for system.

    This is a huge off season though and I think they make some big splash plays because Pete knows he only has a couple years left. He's going to go all in

    I think where the O-line is concerned, They've decided that if they were gonna have a deficiency, it was gonna be in pass pro vs run blocking. They collected a bunch of run blockers that are pretty good at that when relatively healthy and just so-so in pass pro. The effectiveness running + play action is enough to be decent in pass pro. When 1/2 starters go down, the run threat goes away, and pass pro is a disaster. The path they've taken with O-line really can't afford many injuries or any really long duration injuries. It would be nice to hit on a couple of young guys in that position group that come out of the box, just average for the NFL.
    I think Russell's skill set being what it is, is the reason they've gone that route. At some point though, they're gonna have to solidify that position group because Russell is only going to get older and less elusive.


    OrangeGravy wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:Nothing to disagree with. I would argue they're not all that great at run blocking either as Carson Lead the league in broken tackles. But regardless you're overall point is right. Good post.

    They're effective for what we want to do in the run game, but the margin is slim. Britt goes down, they're still pretty effective running and holding up in pass pro (when Hunt doesn't get steam rolled). Once we sustained a couple more injuries, the running game was sporadic at best. The entire play book and what you can successfully call, run or pass at that point is extremely restricted. It's no different than a pass first team like KC losing to many guys up front and not being able to protect. Teams like that pass to open up the run as a secondary option. If they can't protect, everything else is a struggle from the first snap.

    It's why I don't care for the "just go to the short passing game" narrative. There are way too many moving parts for things to be that simple. None of us know enough about the playbook or any specific game day gameplan to even make an educated guess on what adjustments should be made. There's one thing you can't adjust for and that's depleted personnel. Late in the season, you got what you got and anyone you can pick up of the street isn't gonna be an upgrade. If you get to the point we were with the O-line, it's all duct tape and paper clips the rest of the way.

    Agree with everything you said Gravy. Outside of Duane Brown the guys we;ve had on the o-line are not pass pro first. I think they make a concerted effort to sign Fant this offseason to play at RT and move to LT once Brown's contract is up because he has showed decent in pass pro. I believe Ifedi will not be re-signed cuz I believe Pete isn't stupid and knows as Russ gets older he has to find guys better able to protect him. Ifedi isn't that guy imo.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:And I'll eat pineapple on pizza all day.

    That and/or olives.. :pukeface:


    Thanks for the reminder...Olives on my pizza it is tonight. I forgot the mushrooms stems and pieces...next time tho.


    mac an cheese with shrooms is pretty good too.
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