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A little reflection what if?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:04 pm
  • Percy Harvin had Tyler Lockett's approach to football, and Christine Michael had Chris Caeson's approach to the game? How explosive would the Seahawks offense had been 2014-2016?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:19 pm
  • If Jeremy Stevens had played to his potential and not pissed off Harrison we could have won that Super Bowl.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:23 pm
  • If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas..
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:05 pm
  • What if Kearse hangs on to that third down corner route in the third quarter or the D gets the stop on third and long in the 4th where Brady finds Edelman. That Super Bowl is over earlier and that famous pick never happens.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:59 pm
  • What if Matt Flynn never signs here...do we still get Wilson?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:55 am
  • What if Brett Favre was drafted instead of Dan McGwire?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:03 am
  • What if Russell hits a wide open DK on our first drive of the game against GB?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:27 am
  • chris98251 wrote:If Jeremy Stevens had played to his potential and not pissed off Harrison we could have won that Super Bowl.


    The Refs were never going to allow a Seahawk victory in that Travesty....
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:43 am
  • HawkRiderFan wrote:What if Kearse hangs on to that third down corner route in the third quarter or the D gets the stop on third and long in the 4th where Brady finds Edelman. That Super Bowl is over earlier and that famous pick never happens.


    I think about the 3rd down drop more than I think about the int at the goal line. That catch seals the game if its made.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:48 am
  • I think this is a good topic, because it goes to Pete's decisions on players, and (imho), his sometimes overinflated sense of being able to turn athletes in to Football Players.

    There were alarm bells with Percy Harvin, and I hated that signing. I was hopeful, but had zero confidence that that POS would play for this team. He only played when he wanted to. Otherwise, he was "injured." He stole from this team, his team mates, and this fan base. Pete gets an F on that decision.

    Christine Michael had some issues, but seemed like he could be an excellent back, but I think that he had some kind of mental, or emotional issues that wouldn't allow him to focus. I've seen people before with health issues, that have involuntary movements, and Michael would get excited and point at the lane he was going to take. ADD? BiPolar? I could be wrong, and it could just be maturity issues. But when he was at the Shrine Game, he would bring his offensive line players Gatorade, and that showed a person who can appreciate the hard work of others.

    And then there's Thomas Rawls. He was doing so GOOD! And he could have been a star. But there was something going on that we never heard about. I was encouraged by him, because when he scored, he'd celebrate with his OLine. But, something was up.

    Pete couldn't get any of those 3 to recognize the opportunity that they had.

    But, he succeeded with Marshawn Lynch, which IMHO, cancels out the failures. The reason we got Marshawn so cheap, is that he was trouble for the Buffalo Bills. He was his own man, and was going to do things his way. Pete is probably the only coach in the NFL that could deal with Marshawn being Marshawn, and still get the most out of him.

    I've said ever since we drafted Kam Chancellor, and he started showing up on the field, that if Kam had gone to another team, he likely wouldn't have had the chance to excel like he did here.

    Nobody else thought Kam was worth mid-to-late pick because he didn't fit the mold. But Pete and John saw the potential, and took full advantage of it. Imagine if Cleveland would have drafted him, tried to force him to be something he was not. He possibly would have been out of the league in 3 or 4 years.

    Nobody's going to be 100% with Professional athletes, but I'd bet Pete has the highest success rate with players that others overlooked, or would have given up on early. And look at the success it has brought us. We've gotten Pro Bowl players late in the draft, saved tons of money, and been able to fill in the talent with that cash.

    So who's on the "bubble" as a Seahawk now? Who's having trouble getting the message and following through? I'd list a couple of candidates as LJ Collier, Tedric Thompson, Delano Hill, and Naz Jones. These players I don't see as stubborn, but more that they don't understand what they're being taught, and aren't putting in the time, or having the confidence to put what they are being taught, on the field.

    Smart ass comments aside, I think this is a really good topic, that applies to getting the most out of uber-talented players that we've had, as it relates to successes and failures.

    Who are those players today? What should Pete do to motivate or guide them? Which past players did you dread ahead of time? and IMHO, most importantly, which players were you right about :P
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:04 pm
  • austinslater25 wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:What if Kearse hangs on to that third down corner route in the third quarter or the D gets the stop on third and long in the 4th where Brady finds Edelman. That Super Bowl is over earlier and that famous pick never happens.


    I think about the 3rd down drop more than I think about the int at the goal line. That catch seals the game if its made.


    Glad it's not just me.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:01 pm
  • What if Will Dissly is never hurt the past two seasons?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:05 pm
  • What if Les didn't die?...This place would still have friends within it's members?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:04 pm
  • I have a feeling you can add Marquise Blair to your list, Ivotuk. He has big potential, but why didn't he earn more playing time? Something didn't feel right.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:17 pm
  • Percy Harvin actually had an insane level of work ethic. His trouble was entirely mental health and substance related.

    Christine Michael is still the weirdest player I've ever seen play for the Seahawks. I had a chance to meet him in 2014, and obviously a 5 minute chat doesn't tell you a whole lot about someone, but he seemed like a great dude who was locked into his role. The dude played the game with seemingly no care in the world, like he messing around with his friends in the park.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:41 pm
  • Sign37now wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If Jeremy Stevens had played to his potential and not pissed off Harrison we could have won that Super Bowl.


    The Refs were never going to allow a Seahawk victory in that Travesty....


    This.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:47 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:
    Sign37now wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If Jeremy Stevens had played to his potential and not pissed off Harrison we could have won that Super Bowl.


    The Refs were never going to allow a Seahawk victory in that Travesty....


    This.


    Yep. The 'Bus' had to get a victory in his home town and a completely undeserved Hall of Fame slot.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:13 pm
  • What if Ken Behring had an I.Q bigger than his waist line.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:24 am
  • austinslater25 wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:What if Kearse hangs on to that third down corner route in the third quarter or the D gets the stop on third and long in the 4th where Brady finds Edelman. That Super Bowl is over earlier and that famous pick never happens.


    I think about the 3rd down drop more than I think about the int at the goal line. That catch seals the game if its made.


    IIRC, the NE player got just enough of a hand in to make the catch exceedingly difficult for Kearse. I felt the same way as everyone else, that it was a game-losing drop by Kearse, but then I saw a video breakdown that showed the NE DB actually broke up the catch. Subtle but effective. If you go watch it again, and are sure I'm wrong, please post a link to the video showing it was a clear unforced drop.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:52 am
  • What if there is no interesting topics to discuss in here after the SB for several weeks ? Yawn
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:26 am
  • xray wrote:What if there is no interesting topics to discuss in here after the SB for several weeks ? Yawn


    No one forced you to read this thread.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:36 am
  • What if the Boz stopped Bo on the goal line?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:51 am
  • what if hasselbeck lost the coin toss
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:00 am
  • The Great Hawktini wrote:What if Ken Behring had an I.Q bigger than his waist line.


    IMO this would have been a bad thing.

    Behring being stupid and trying to move the Hawks to California without the permission was what facilitated the league forcing him to sell to Allen.

    So thank baby Jesus for Behring being an idiot of biblical proportions and having his team force sold to Allen. Or else we might have had another 20 years of him bungling drafts (telling the GM to draft Dan McGuire instead of Brett Favre) and mismanaging the Hawks into the laughing stock of the NFL never recovering.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:03 pm
  • HawkGA wrote:
    Sign37now wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:If Jeremy Stevens had played to his potential and not pissed off Harrison we could have won that Super Bowl.


    The Refs were never going to allow a Seahawk victory in that Travesty....


    This.

    Ditto
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:04 am
  • What if Bennett hadn't gone offsides giving NE the room to kneel down? What if we stuffed the obvious QB sneak? But I'm sure Beleicheat told Brady that under no circumstance would they ever hike the ball giving Michael all the time needed to go off sides.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:56 pm
  • Another play that haunts me from that Super Bowl is the 3rd and more than 10 that the Pats converted on their 2nd last TD drive with the pass to Edelman. Make a stop there and again, who knows, good chance they don't get a chance for 2 scores.

    Not a what if, but how funny is it that Pete who gets crushed by the analytic fans and those who prefer aggressive football made an unusual aggressive call for him by going for the TD at the end of the first half vs settling for the FG. And it worked. He does have it in him, just need him to unleash it more often.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:42 pm
  • What if Shanny knew how to coach in the last quarter of a super bowl?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:19 pm
  • olyfan63 wrote:
    austinslater25 wrote:
    HawkRiderFan wrote:What if Kearse hangs on to that third down corner route in the third quarter or the D gets the stop on third and long in the 4th where Brady finds Edelman. That Super Bowl is over earlier and that famous pick never happens.


    I think about the 3rd down drop more than I think about the int at the goal line. That catch seals the game if its made.


    IIRC, the NE player got just enough of a hand in to make the catch exceedingly difficult for Kearse. I felt the same way as everyone else, that it was a game-losing drop by Kearse, but then I saw a video breakdown that showed the NE DB actually broke up the catch. Subtle but effective. If you go watch it again, and are sure I'm wrong, please post a link to the video showing it was a clear unforced drop.

    In NFL rules, that play is called a pass broken up. Technically, in slow motion, Butler batted Kearse's right forearm just before the ball got there, but in real time, it is described as a PBU by rule.

    This was the dumbest discussion then and it still is. It's just a way to pass blame and avoid real issues with the rest of the game, particularly the end and ALL parties that played a part. It's diversion, plain and simple.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:13 pm
  • When you guys are bored do you take a knife and cut open old scars also ?
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:18 pm
  • Largent80 wrote:What if Les didn't die?...This place would still have friends within it's members?


    Lots of us here are friends, but yeah all of us who knew Les miss him.
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Re: A little reflection what if?
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:24 am
  • chris98251 wrote:When you guys are bored do you take a knife and cut open old scars also ?


    I find then squeezing a little lemon juice into the wound adds to the fun
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