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  • It was in reference to his record predictions that equaled 15 games. He predicted 10-5 or 9-6 for their regular season record. Nice try though. In no possible way would anyone NOT want them to play for more than 16 games.
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  • jammerhawk wrote:
    ducks41468 wrote:Wilson will drag this team kicking and screaming into the playoffs as usual. They'll lose their first playoff game as usual. The fans will rejoice and call it a successful season as usual. Rinse and repeat.



    As usual being a team that annually makes the playoffs isn't good enough for some fans who perhaps weren't following the team when it rarely if ever made the playoffs like numerous other teams in the NFL. Count your blessings you aren't a fan of one of the sad sack teams.

    Nobody ever rejoices about being knocked out of the playoffs whenever it happens but you should note the team often wins the first round but gets knocked out in the 2nd round lately. Yes, without a doubt Wilson is special, but so are quite a few others that don't quite get the recognition they deserve.

    Lots of hyperbole and negativity in this thread. You know the team truly limped into the playoffs last season with an 11-5 record. They were one yard away from defeating SF 2 x which would have given them a playoff bye, they were closer than the negative folks accept to going a lot deeper in the playoffs than somewhere acknowledge and there were reasons why their exit happened too. It was too bad the whole RB corps were by then on IR save for a rookie 4th string player.

    I suspect this season's team will surprise us and be a lot better than some 'experts' are predicting.

    The offseason is far from being over and the team still has a more than $15 million in cap to fix a few areas. The Dunbar situation seems to not be as bad as initially believed and he may not have done anything wrong at all.



    here we go again people saying we should be satisfied with being 1 and done instead of wanting more.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:And here we go again, John telling people that they don't care. For the 734th time, NOBODY is happy when they lose in the playoffs. Geezus man, give it a rest.
    And it's LOSE. Also, the team plays 16 games, just so you know. :?


    here we go again people saying we should be satisfied with being 1 and done instead of wanting more. you should give it a break
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  • Appyhawk wrote:You're right soul bro. John's post wasn't perfect. Doubt I've ever made a perfect post either. But a few little gaffs don' t negate the solid points he made. In fact, his post kind of mirrors the situation our team is in. It seems like they did a great job of maximizing their opportunities last year, given all considerations, but just weren't quite good enough to get past the problems at the end of the year.
    Question is how do we get better so as to improve on what we have? Obviously the answer is to find and fix the problems. Have we done that?
    Doesn't look to me like we have. In fact we may even have regressed, while from appearances our division opponents (not named Rams) have improved. The big picture in Seahawkville isn't all roses and confetti. Again.


    exactly we have not fixed the problems and some of those problems have been around since PC got here.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Time will tell. However, telling people that they don't care because they don't go full sky is falling is getting old.
    Absolutely they have some work to do, and the D is a concern still imo.
    I would argue that with Carson and Penny in the mix, they would have knocked off GB. That running game was rolling. Shoot, they were one drive from advancing to the NFC title game, even with all those injuries. Good enough? Absolutely not, but a total disaster? It's Mid-May, way more can be accomplished before the season.
    Get Clowney or Griffen on that D line and I'll feel a lot better. Still think they will also add a veteran DT, which is also needed.



    "As usual being a team that annually makes the playoffs isn't good enough for some fans who perhaps weren't following the team when it rarely if ever made the playoffs like numerous other teams in the NFL. Count your blessings you aren't a fan of one of the sad sack teams." form a few posts up, enough said. We shold count our blessings to me that means be contnet, be happy.
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  • thegameq wrote:This off-season is starting to feel like a wash--if not the whole year in general.

    We all know P&J will be working to fill the obvious deficiencies. We just won't know how successful they are until practice and real games begin. Brooks looks like the only sure thing from the draft. Right now, the team is more or less the same team from last year; no pass rush, average to below average O-line, leaky secondary.


    obvious deficiency, like oh pass blocking that has been a deficiency for oh 9+ years. not holding my breath.
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  • Tell me where I said I was happy with 1 and done?? Hell no, never happy with losing in the playoffs.
    Dear God man, losing in the playoffs sucks. NOBODY is satisfied with it. Nobody.
    I was talking about your record predictions of 10-5 and 9-6. The team plays 16 REGULAR SEASON games.
    How in the hell can you turn that in to I'm satisfied with losing in the playoffs? Hell no, never have been.
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  • John63 Getting to the playoffs gives you a chance to go to the Dance, if you don't get there you have no chance period.

    Maybe you should watch the Mariners for a season, I would think you could appreciate the Seahawks a bit more then.
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  • this ^
    This team has had a hell of a run. Again, that does NOT mean any of us are happy when they get knocked out of the playoffs. But to not at least appreciate how good we have it in Seattle makes no sense to me.
    Oh well, not worth arguing w/John about. We've agreed to disagree, I'm good with that.
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  • John63 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:And here we go again, John telling people that they don't care. For the 734th time, NOBODY is happy when they lose in the playoffs. Geezus man, give it a rest.
    And it's LOSE. Also, the team plays 16 games, just so you know. :?


    here we go again people saying we should be satisfied with being 1 and done instead of wanting more. you should give it a break


    You are putting words into the mouths of other people. Nobody has said that they are "satisfied with 1 and done".....nobody has said that they do not want more. I am fairly positive that we would all want the see the Seahawks win Superbowl after Superbowl.

    What many of us are saying (which you constantly spin to fit your doom & gloom narrative) is that we understand how difficult it is to make the SB...period. Any team that makes the play-off has a chance to make the SB. In the recent years, season after season, the Seahawks have put themselves in a position to make the play-offs and thence make the SB. Any team that is able to make the play-offs IS a good team. They have the right personnel and the player skills that COULD allow them to make the SB....depending on results of the play-off game.

    I admire your passion towards this team. I admire your desire to see this team take home another SB trophy. However, your constant strawman misrepresentation and telling of others how they feel, in order to promote your pessimism, is getting quite dull. Might I suggest you stop telling others how they feel.

    Also , when some of us say "be thankful", I doubt we are saying to be content....at least I am not. I read it more as saying that we have a team that consistently makes a legitimate run at making the SB. They provide very entertaining games with plenty of wins. They are seen as a competitive team with good players on the roster.....season after season. While winning a SB is certainly desired, at least they have shown up to make a run instead of coming to a realization that their season is over at the end of week 10.
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  • Tim Jernigan is still available as his $3.5M deal with the Texans seems to have fallen through. Could he be an effective DT solution as a Seahawk?
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  • Appyhawk wrote:Tim Jernigan is still available as his $3.5M deal with the Texans seems to have fallen through. Could he be an effective DT solution as a Seahawk?


    Only if he is cheap, under performed with his last team and is a big injury risk. Otherwise the Seahawks will pass.

    Edit to add: "Jernigan is going to have to show that he can overcome two injury-plagued seasons in 2018 and 2019. In 2018, Jernigan suffered an off-season neck/back injury that required him to have surgery and miss time. Last season, Jernigan dealt with a foot injury that caused missed games."

    I bet we go all in.
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  • "I bet we go all in."
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :stirthepot:
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:Only if he is cheap, under performed with his last team and is a big injury risk. Otherwise the Seahawks will pass.

    I know this is meant as sarcasm but there is a more than a kernel of truth here and it's telling that you mean this as a throw-away rather than actual insight.

    NFL free agency is an auction which means the winner's curse applies. A good FA will generate interest from all 32 teams and then end up on the team with the highest estimate of their value. Naturally, the odds of that highest bid being a good value are very small.

    On the other hand, the potential outcomes for "diamonds in the rough" are much broader. They could be complete wastes of money (Ed Dickson), or Super Bowl winning values (Cliff Avril). If you assume that it requires a very good team in order to seriously compete for a Super Bowl then it makes sense to be risk seeking and actively look for these kind of players with question marks around them.

    Of course, there are lots of options here and you only named a couple (injury history, coming off bad performance). Looking at players with off-field issues like Josh Gordon is another avenue. The Seahawks favorite method is bringing in unproven young talent that could still have a wide range of development outcomes. A high turnover rate lets the players sort through dozens of these type of players in the hopes of finding the few here and there who will be good contributors. In every case, being cheap is an important part because only cheap players can really outperform their contracts.
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  • I’d rather they played more than 18 games every season.
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  • Yep, as we all do. :irishdrinkers:
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yep, as we all do. :irishdrinkers:


    Something we can all agree on! :)
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  • John63 wrote:
    jammerhawk wrote:
    ducks41468 wrote:Wilson will drag this team kicking and screaming into the playoffs as usual. They'll lose their first playoff game as usual. The fans will rejoice and call it a successful season as usual. Rinse and repeat.



    As usual being a team that annually makes the playoffs isn't good enough for some fans who perhaps weren't following the team when it rarely if ever made the playoffs like numerous other teams in the NFL. Count your blessings you aren't a fan of one of the sad sack teams.

    Nobody ever rejoices about being knocked out of the playoffs whenever it happens but you should note the team often wins the first round but gets knocked out in the 2nd round lately. Yes, without a doubt Wilson is special, but so are quite a few others that don't quite get the recognition they deserve.

    Lots of hyperbole and negativity in this thread. You know the team truly limped into the playoffs last season with an 11-5 record. They were one yard away from defeating SF 2 x which would have given them a playoff bye, they were closer than the negative folks accept to going a lot deeper in the playoffs than somewhere acknowledge and there were reasons why their exit happened too. It was too bad the whole RB corps were by then on IR save for a rookie 4th string player.

    I suspect this season's team will surprise us and be a lot better than some 'experts' are predicting.

    The offseason is far from being over and the team still has a more than $15 million in cap to fix a few areas. The Dunbar situation seems to not be as bad as initially believed and he may not have done anything wrong at all.



    here we go again people saying we should be satisfied with being 1 and done instead of wanting more.


    From the quoted remark please advise where the post says 'we should be satisfied with being 1 and done instead of wanting more" ???

    Your negative agenda is showing.

    Winning it all is goal every season and rather clearly nobody wants to just be 1 and done in the playoffs. Getting to the playoffs is a good thing that you'd want depreciate if it all isn't won every season. OK, whatever. Your position seems to fail to recognize how difficult it is to just make the playoffs. Did you think with Carson, Penny and Prosise all injured along with many other missing pieces that winning through the playoffs was likely last season? I doubt it somehow but then again I doubt you have much good to say about most of the team's roster moves or performance over the past 10 years.
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  • AgentDib wrote:The Dunbar incident is a big deal as he was a key off-season addition. I kind of liked their approach to upgrading the secondary instead of the DL, but if that is down the tubes then it's a big setback for sure.

    I do think calling the entire off-season a disaster is premature.

    The skill positions are clearly better. Last season, our RB and TE groups lost almost everybody to injury and two of our wide receivers were rookies. This year, Dorsett and Olsen are both upgrades while Carson and Dissly will at least start out relatively healthy. Metcalf, Homer, and Ursua should be better as sophomores, while Parkinson and Sullivan give Russ some much needed big possession targets.

    At offensive line, Britt and Ifedi were not that good and then Britt went down. Finney and Shell should turn out to be upgrades over Hunt and Ifedi. Iupati played in 16 games last season, and we drafted Lewis not as future depth but because they thought he was ready to play immediately. We also still have our other young depth (Phil Haynes, Jamarco Jones, Jordan Simmons) who were hurt last year but are currently healthy. So much of the OL outcomes will depend on our injury luck that you can't form conclusions in May.

    At defensive line I can understand the concern. However, they've been adding lots of rookies over the last couple of seasons; Ford, Christmas and Mone inside, Green, Collier, Taylor and Robinson outside. Our only pricey guy is Reed, and it's difficult to know what to expect from him. Irvin and Mayowa were not particularly exciting pickups, but the young players will develop a lot faster if given playing time. We also still have plenty of cap to add another traditional late free agency DT veteran.

    If you want to be skeptical that none of our DL youth will improve this year then that's your prerogative but that's just pessimism. I still maintain that if you re-watch the GB playoff game you will never see Aaron Rodgers standing in the pocket comfortably. They just had him take really deep drops or scramble out of the pocket and then quickly get the ball out. We could add the top 4 DEs in the NFL and if the opposing QB throws immediately out of shotgun it wouldn't lead to any sacks.


    Agent Dib, I like your glass half full instead of half empty optimism.

    On that note, I was excited that the secondary looked to be hugely improved with Diggs and Dunbar. We'll see how things develop with Dunbar, but if it looks like he won't play then I wouldn't be surprised if they made another move here. In my view whether this off-season is a failure will come down to whether we successfully fixed the secondary or not.
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