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Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:34 pm

  • Second-best QB in the league. His contract now reflecting that is appropriate.
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  • Yeah, where are all the people who have been whining and moaning about Russ' contract? Bargain.
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  • Wait until his is up...40 plus million for Wilson easy.
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  • Wouldn’t be surprising if he asks for some kind of new money soon, especially as the fallout from this deal hits upcoming QBs who are due for new deals.
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  • Rat wrote:Second-best QB in the league. His contract now reflecting that is appropriate.


    agree to disagree on 2nd best but keep in mind he will not even be 2nd in salary soon, Watson is coming
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:Wait until his is up...40 plus million for Wilson easy.



    Maybe he will be what about 35 maybe
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  • Mahomes deal is 10 yrs 503 million. Oh and if the Seahawks dont give RW 40 plus someone else will...even at 35 or 36.
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  • Yeah, it's safe to say it's getting out of hand. Most of the talk was 40 mil a year. Yeah...….a hell of a lot more. This deal has changed everything, at least for QB's.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:Mahomes deal is 10 yrs 593 million. Oh and if the Seahawks dont give RW 40 plus someone else will...even at 35 or 36.



    Yeah I saw hat after I made the post

    My opinion you don't give Wilson 40 million to play in our system.
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  • John63 wrote:
    Cyrus12 wrote:Mahomes deal is 10 yrs 593 million. Oh and if the Seahawks dont give RW 40 plus someone else will...even at 35 or 36.



    Yeah I saw hat after I made the post

    My opinion you don't give Wilson 40 million to play in our system.

    Well someone will if the Seahawks dont...
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  • It'll be interesting to see what happens to salaries with Covid affecting games, and the increasingly political role of players and broadcasts which may decrease revenue even more in the future.

    In other words, Wilson's salary may actually take a hit, as many Americans' have already. At least it should...
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  • Ad Hawk wrote:It'll be interesting to see what happens to salaries with Covid affecting games, and the increasingly political role of players and broadcasts which may decrease revenue even more in the future.

    In other words, Wilson's salary may actually take a hit, as many Americans' have already. At least it should...

    The people losing money are the already poor or middle class...the rich elite will get richer..including football players.
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  • Chris Jones just became a lot more available.
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  • nanomoz wrote:Chris Jones just became a lot more available.

    I would love to add Chris Jones.

    And he just so happens to play a position of desperate need for Seattle as well.

    BUT

    Some team not named Seattle and Kansas City will end up paying him if not this year, next year.

    I'm guessing Raiders, Broncos or Chargers, that's right, the Chiefs divisional rivals.
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  • We will not find out if he is worth it for about 5 years. .Given he has top 5 skill talent around him and an offensive coach we dont know how much is him and how much is the others and the system. Not saying he is not talented, but where would he be if he had say Detroit talent? Or even ours with our system. I am guessing no were near where he is.

    That said he got his pay day. Give it a few years and we will know.
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  • Ad Hawk wrote:It'll be interesting to see what happens to salaries with Covid affecting games, and the increasingly political role of players and broadcasts which may decrease revenue even more in the future.

    In other words, Wilson's salary may actually take a hit, as many Americans' have already. At least it should...



    How will Wilson's salary take a hit?
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  • John63 wrote:We will not find out if he is worth it for about 5 years. .Given he has top 5 skill talent around him and an offensive coach we dont know how much is him and how much is the others and the system. Not saying he is not talented, but where would he be if he had say Detroit talent? Or even ours with our system. I am guessing no were near where he is.

    That said he got his pay day. Give it a few years and we will know.

    I don't think the guy is the best QB.
    KC was stupid to hand out that contract.
    He can kiss his all over top 5 talent bye bye.
    Yes John the coach and system have a lot to do with it.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Yeah, where are all the people who have been whining and moaning about Russ' contract? Bargain.
    A bargain?How?Once you have to pay any QB
    a certain % of cap you can't afford enough to win a SB..
    The KC window just got very small,they have this season if there
    is one to repeat.
    I'm one of those who is against paying any QB more than a certain
    % of cap and that needs to be fixed.
    The era of coddled and overprotecting QB's created these hyped up
    fake numbers they would otherwise never put up.
    :pukeface: :34853_doh:
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  • Contract details I posted in the NFL Mahomes thread:

    bmorepunk wrote:If Sportrac is correct (they now have yearly numbers up), here are his yearly cap hits:

    2020 - $5.35 million
    2021 - $24.8 million
    2022 - $31.45 million
    2023 - $42.45 million
    2024 - $39.95 million
    2025 - $41.95 million
    2026 - $41.95 million
    2027 - $59.95 million
    2028 - $44.45 million
    2029 - $44.95 million
    2030 - $50.45 million
    2031 - $52.45 million


    Your eyes will probably roll to that nearly $60 million cap hit in 2027. And you may be thinking "man they're screwed if he gets hurt or somehow just goes to hell performance-wise", but check out what they did with the dead cap money:

    2020 - $64.95 million
    2021 - $59.61 million
    2022 - $34.90 million
    2023 - $4.00 million
    2024 - $2.00 million
    2025 through 2031 - $0.00


    Worst case scenario for KC in the near term is if Mahomes just sucks or gets hurt is this is a one-year extension on the last two years of his rookie contract, and they lose $4 mil in dead cap space in 2023 cutting him.

    $141.48 million is guaranteed.

    Those cap hits from 2023 on (particularly 2027 on) get pretty heavy by then but if they don't think he's worth the money they'll try to restructure, knowing they can cut him for no penalty if they have to. They're also betting on the cap going up enough by then that if he's still playing at a high level.

    It's a lot of cap space, but it's not a real long-term commitment, and the team has options going forward. Plus that possible cap space increase.
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  • These big QB contracts always seem to hamstring the team's ability to maintain or develop SB contenders for a few years after . The Hawks for example didn't get better with Wilson's record contract . Mahomes has a good shot at bringing another SB to KC , but it better happen soon before the team loses key players .
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  • Daks should ask for a cool billion. He’s worth it,! /endsarcasm
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  • Hate to say it, but they need a position cap number for this league. Otherwise the game will be about one or two high paid players and the rest of the team grabbed off the street. That is why I stopped watching the NBA many years ago. Hope the same thing doesn't happen with the NFL.
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  • Most high end QBs are a bargain when you consider their value to the franchise and the value of the franchise and revenue generated.

    Mahomes and Wilson would get considerably more in a true free market.

    I'll never agree with putting a cap on wages, but I do think that there maybe needs to be some sort of cap relief allowances when re-signing guys that you drafted. Allows guys to get paid what they deserve while keeping teams together and less incentive to try to buy a better team in free agency.
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  • I'd rather have Mahomes at his age, even at that figure. Seahawks haven't done anything with their extra cap space anyways except waste it on fringe starters.. (yeah this offseason has made me extremely salty).
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  • poly1274 wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:It'll be interesting to see what happens to salaries with Covid affecting games, and the increasingly political role of players and broadcasts which may decrease revenue even more in the future.

    In other words, Wilson's salary may actually take a hit, as many Americans' have already. At least it should...



    How will Wilson's salary take a hit?


    Revenue drying up could make his next contract worth less than it is currently. Player salaries cannot continue to climb if there isn't enough income to pay them.

    I have my doubts that football will continue to rake in the dough as it becomes increasingly politically activist in nature. I'd guess that most fans want to watch football as an escape from the divisions all around us; we get to unify around our appreciation for athletic ability, strategy, rules-of-engagement, etc., and then around our local logo/team identity/players/coaches.
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  • Why is NFL pay vastly outpacing the rest of the workforce?

    Where do they keep getting all the extra money?
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  • Maybe a good NFL salary vs. cap compromise is that the team can pay a QB anything they want but the position of QB1 will only count towards a set amount of the salary cap. Or, you can have every team select a position each year as "salary cap exempt"which of course will be the highest paid position.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
    John63 wrote:We will not find out if he is worth it for about 5 years. .Given he has top 5 skill talent around him and an offensive coach we dont know how much is him and how much is the others and the system. Not saying he is not talented, but where would he be if he had say Detroit talent? Or even ours with our system. I am guessing no were near where he is.

    That said he got his pay day. Give it a few years and we will know.

    I don't think the guy is the best QB.
    KC was stupid to hand out that contract.
    He can kiss his all over top 5 talent bye bye.
    Yes John the coach and system have a lot to do with it.


    I Agree both bad and good.
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  • xray wrote:These big QB contracts always seem to hamstring the team's ability to maintain or develop SB contenders for a few years after . The Hawks for example didn't get better with Wilson's record contract . Mahomes has a good shot at bringing another SB to KC , but it better happen soon before the team loses key players .



    Us not getting better has more to do with bad Fa signings, trades and drafting as much as his contract. And a HC who refused to build a system around that QB. Something Mahomess will not have to worry about.
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  • lukerguy wrote:I'd rather have Mahomes at his age, even at that figure. Seahawks haven't done anything with their extra cap space anyways except waste it on fringe starters.. (yeah this offseason has made me extremely salty).



    well I would not want Mahomes but I agree with the sentiment. Our in ability to go beyond 2nd round is on bad draft, bad FAs, and bad system for what we have.
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  • KinesProf wrote:I'll never agree with putting a cap on wages,

    Then you support the philosophy of rich teams buying championships. In your version, the Patriots would have won about 16 of the last 18 Super Bowls. To hell with that.
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  • Sooner or later there will just be one player on O or D. The QB.

    "We can't afford to pay any other players because the QB is the team.".
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  • I’m pretty sure the team doesn’t revoke your Russ Fan Boy Card if you admit that another QB is good.
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:


    Let them squander about their cap when paying their star QB, and blame the other teams because of their unintelligent ways when they don't have the same type of QB. I believe this personally equates to "MAY THE ODDS BE EVER IN YOUR FAVOR"
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  • After 2022, I fear the Hawks will be back to SOS. Wilsons contract will be up. Maybe by then they just offer 51% of franchise ownership instead of money, then Covid kills everyone, or we get "that" asteroid.
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  • I think Russ pulls a Brady on his next contract. Realizes he needs to give up his greed and he's earned a crap ton. His royalties and endorsements will make up plenty for any lost earnings and maybe some sponsors will kick in extra ;) to make up for the Russ's wage losses.

    What a haul for Mahomes though. Good for him.
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  • xray wrote:These big QB contracts always seem to hamstring the team's ability to maintain or develop SB contenders for a few years after . The Hawks for example didn't get better with Wilson's record contract . Mahomes has a good shot at bringing another SB to KC , but it better happen soon before the team loses key players .


    Seems to be the trend.

    I don't think there's a QB in the league who won a SB AFTER he got his top of the league contract. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Isn't that why Brady has taken middle of the road money? To keep talent around him and keep winning?
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  • bmorepunk wrote:Contract details I posted in the NFL Mahomes thread:

    bmorepunk wrote:If Sportrac is correct (they now have yearly numbers up), here are his yearly cap hits:

    [
    2020 - $5.35 million
    2021 - $24.8 million
    2022 - $31.45 million
    2023 - $42.45 million
    2024 - $39.95 million
    2025 - $41.95 million
    2026 - $41.95 million
    2027 - $59.95 million
    2028 - $44.45 million
    2029 - $44.95 million
    2030 - $50.45 million
    2031 - $52.45 million


    Your eyes will probably roll to that nearly $60 million cap hit in 2027. And you may be thinking "man they're screwed if he gets hurt or somehow just goes to hell performance-wise", but check out what they did with the dead cap money:

    2020 - $64.95 million
    2021 - $59.61 million
    2022 - $34.90 million
    2023 - $4.00 million
    2024 - $2.00 million
    2025 through 2031 - $0.00


    Worst case scenario for KC in the near term is if Mahomes just sucks or gets hurt is this is a one-year extension on the last two years of his rookie contract, and they lose $4 mil in dead cap space in 2023 cutting him.

    $141.48 million is guaranteed.

    Those cap hits from 2023 on (particularly 2027 on) get pretty heavy by then but if they don't think he's worth the money they'll try to restructure, knowing they can cut him for no penalty if they have to. They're also betting on the cap going up enough by then that if he's still playing at a high level.

    It's a lot of cap space, but it's not a real long-term commitment, and the team has options going forward. Plus that possible cap space increase.


    So, this is basically a 3 year, 160 million dollar contract... :snack:
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