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2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:26 pm
  • Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

    2021 Draft Picks

    2nd round
    4th round
    5th round
    6th round

    2021 FA:
    KJ Wright
    Greg Olsen
    Bruce Irvin
    Jacob Hollister
    Benson Mayowa
    Mike Lupati
    Cedric Ogbuehi
    David Moore
    Quinton Dunbar
    Luke Wilson
    Geno Smith
    Neiko Thrope
    Nick Bellore
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Shaquill Griffin
    Delano Hill
    Jordan Simmons
    Bryan Moore
    Chris Carson
    Poona Ford

    I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:36 pm
  • poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

    2021 Draft Picks

    2nd round
    4th round
    5th round
    6th round

    2021 FA:
    KJ Wright
    Greg Olsen
    Bruce Irvin
    Jacob Hollister
    Benson Mayowa
    Mike Lupati
    Cedric Ogbuehi
    David Moore
    Quinton Dunbar
    Luke Wilson
    Geno Smith
    Neiko Thrope
    Nick Bellore
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Shaquill Griffin
    Delano Hill
    Jordan Simmons
    Bryan Moore
    Chris Carson
    Poona Ford

    I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.


    Didn’t Schneider turn 4 or 5 picks in a draft into 9 or so?

    I’m sure he’s going to do the same thing again
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:43 pm
  • Not with a late 2nd round pick. I'd imagine the 2nd round pick be like 20-32 range.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:44 pm
  • Oh yes, the sky is definitely falling. :roll:
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:09 pm
  • That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:19 pm
  • The Hawks had 4 picks the week before the 2019 draft. After the draft, they had made 11 picks.

    I'm not worried.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:24 pm
  • Aros wrote:Oh yes, the sky is definitely falling. :roll:


    IN 2021........

    Buy your Umbrella now...
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:01 am
  • DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.


    Poona Ford
    Chris Carson
    Shaquill Griffin
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
    Jacob Hollister
    Bruce Irvin

    The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

    And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:01 am
  • poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

    2021 Draft Picks

    2nd round
    4th round
    5th round
    6th round

    2021 FA:
    KJ Wright
    Greg Olsen
    Bruce Irvin
    Jacob Hollister
    Benson Mayowa
    Mike Lupati
    Cedric Ogbuehi
    David Moore
    Quinton Dunbar
    Luke Wilson
    Geno Smith
    Neiko Thrope
    Nick Bellore
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Shaquill Griffin
    Delano Hill
    Jordan Simmons
    Bryan Moore
    Chris Carson
    Poona Ford

    I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.


    This is fine. Most of these players are cheap roster-fill types. The draft capital thing hurts them in terms of finding stars at the top of the draft, but if they need to fill the back end of the roster, they can easily trade down and have themselves quite a few mid round picks.

    This doesn't really look like a "disaster" to me. Seems like typical roster turnover.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:49 am
  • What disaster?

    The team had 32 players that needed to be renewed this offseason if you include each the ERFAs, RFAs, and UFAs. The roster was filled as can be seen from the roster page, some were renewed others were not.

    Nobody was worried then, well a few were, yet JS has filled the roster so there could be a competitive team fielded.

    The work of a GM is never finished if the team is to stay competitive.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:15 am
  • Who is Mike Lupati?
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:35 am
  • GeekHawk wrote:Who is Mike Lupati?


    He plays next to Duane Crown on the line.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:20 am
  • We have Ruskell Wilkens too, it's gonna' be fine.
    Plus we have Tyler LockettE :lol:
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:13 am
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:We have Ruskell Wilkens too, it's gonna' be fine.
    Plus we have Tyler LockettE :lol:


    They’re in good hands with DK Metcow
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:27 am
  • ok, that sh was funny :irishdrinkers:

    Do your thing, Kris Karsun
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:37 am
  • 2021 FA:
    KJ Wright
    Bruce Irvin
    Benson Mayowa
    Quinton Dunbar
    Shaquill Griffin
    Chris Carson
    Poona Ford

    Maybe one resigns these seven?
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:57 am
  • Poona will be am RFA or ERFA.

    So he isnt going anywhere. He is probably the guy that most concerned me on that list, so that is good.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:33 pm
  • Poona, Shaq Griffin, maybe Carson (depending on how much he wants) and maybe Dunbar (depending on if he gets out of trouble and plays well this year) are the only ones I'd hope to bring back. The rest are aging vets/stops gaps/filler that can be replaced. I'll be sad to see KJ go if he's not resigned, but I think his time is coming to an end quickly.

    Also, the 2021 draft could be trash if there's no college season. If that happens, probably a ton of juniors will go back for their senior year. And the guys who do declare will be coming off sitting out a year and there will be less available scouting material than there would normally be, so it will be even more a crapshoot than a typical year. So I'm not worried about not having many picks in this upcoming draft.

    As long as Pete is here, we'll at least be competing for a playoff spot. Even at the beginning of his tenure when we were ACTUALLY rebuilding we made the playoffs 1 of those 2 years. If a couple of the guys from our recent draft classes can take a step forward, we'll be doing more than just making the playoffs.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:51 pm
  • We're all in this year.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:52 pm
  • No doubt about it. With the recent history of their 1st round picks, I'll take a proven top tier in the entire league player over a draft pick that MAY work down the road.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:14 pm
  • I do think it's worth speculating forwards to see how the roster will develop in the future, but it's silly to worry about expiring FA for the same reason that it's silly to make too much of "upcoming cap room" like people did last off-season. The biggest expense is not even on that list, and it's going to be the Jamal Adams extension.

    Good franchises pay the few players who are difference makers and worth it, and let the rest walk in exchange for compensatory picks. The bulk of the roster is then made up of players on rookie deals or minimum veteran contracts.

    The only thing to get too concerned about is overpaying a bunch of mediocre players. In that vein, the thing to be concerned about on your list in 2021 is that we might overpay Carson or Griffin. I don't see that happening, but whether you or do or not it's premature to talk about disasters.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:19 pm
  • AgentDib wrote:I do think it's worth speculating forwards to see how the roster will develop in the future, but it's silly to worry about expiring FA for the same reason that it's silly to make too much of "upcoming cap room" like people did last off-season. The biggest expense is not even on that list, and it's going to be the Jamal Adams extension.

    Good franchises pay the few players who are difference makers and worth it, and let the rest walk in exchange for compensatory picks. The bulk of the roster is then made up of players on rookie deals or minimum veteran contracts.

    The only thing to get too concerned about is overpaying a bunch of mediocre players. In that vein, the thing to be concerned about on your list in 2021 is that we might overpay Carson or Griffin. I don't see that happening, but whether you or do or not it's premature to talk about disasters.


    Adams is already signed through 2021. Reported $9.8 mil.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:32 pm
  • poly1274 wrote:
    DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.


    Poona Ford
    Chris Carson
    Shaquill Griffin
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
    Jacob Hollister
    Bruce Irvin

    The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

    And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+


    Someone might pay that. I'd question their sanity if the same front office paid out those numbers for those players.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:12 pm
  • Every other team is going to be in a tough position if the salary cap does indeed go down a lot next year.

    So it's not like someone is going to be hoarding top free agents. We already got our big signing in Adams. You have a top 2 QB, MLB, and Safety. You'll have a high floor (and have since 2012).

    Griffin and Carson would be the only two worthy of an extension, and that could easily be done unless someone wants to overpay.

    So "disaster"? Let me know when we're even close to being of the same ilk as the Browns, Jets, and Lions. That's a real disaster.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:19 pm
  • poly1274 wrote:Welp looks like this franchise gonna go in a full re-build season soon.

    2021 Draft Picks

    1st round-Jamal Adams(1st team all pro)
    2nd round
    4th round
    5th round
    6th round

    2021 FA:
    KJ Wright
    Greg Olsen
    Bruce Irvin
    Jacob Hollister
    Benson Mayowa
    Mike Lupati
    Cedric Ogbuehi
    David Moore
    Quinton Dunbar
    Luke Wilson
    Geno Smith
    Neiko Thrope
    Nick Bellore
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Shaquill Griffin
    Delano Hill
    Jordan Simmons
    Bryan Moore
    Chris Carson
    Poona Ford

    I didn't put a full list, just people that I see that should be on here.


    Fixed the 2021 draft for you.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:48 pm
  • poly1274 wrote:
    DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.


    Poona Ford
    Chris Carson
    Shaquill Griffin
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
    Jacob Hollister
    Bruce Irvin

    The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

    And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+


    Pocic making 7 million/year? I'll happily take the under there lol.
    Top 3 on the list should be the priority. The remaining ones seem like could be replaced through draft/free agency if needed.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:36 am
  • If other teams overpay for those players then that helps us because it gives us better comp picks. It's only a problem if we do the overpaying.

    Nunya wrote:Adams is already signed through 2021. Reported $9.8 mil.

    He's going to want his big deal and one year early would be a normal extension timing. The agreement between him and the FO was that he would play under his current contract in 2020.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:31 pm
  • The team will do an extension with him that kicks in 2022, and perhaps gives him some bonus $ earlier.

    With his friend Diggs here, if he’s kept after this season, Adams will want to stay. Keeping him will be important and the difference between $9.8 million and $15 or thereabouts won’t be that significant a hit, presuming he maintains a high level of play.

    The team will be in good shape.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:07 pm
  • 2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:57 pm
  • HawksBrazil wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:
    DHawk wrote:That list has MAYBE five players on it that could be considered big losses. The rest are fringe players that are on one year deals or only came here because of injuries last season and likely fringe players this season because of that. We haven't even been able to see how our recent draft class looks do to Covid this year. Under regular circumstances we would have a better idea about now. I don't think its anything to stress about yet though.


    Poona Ford
    Chris Carson
    Shaquill Griffin
    Ethan Pocic
    Philiip Dorsett
    Quinton Dunbar ( Big question mark)
    Jacob Hollister
    Bruce Irvin

    The first 4, are gonna be looking at 7-9 mill each + per year

    And Dunbar ( Depends on what happen this season) is gonna look at maybe 14-18mill+


    Pocic making 7 million/year? I'll happily take the under there lol.
    Top 3 on the list should be the priority. The remaining ones seem like could be replaced through draft/free agency if needed.



    Fant's making 10mill a year. I think Dunbar will be suspended 6 games, and will be a FA next season.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:58 pm
  • KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.


    If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 am
  • poly1274 wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.


    If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.


    Where did you hear that, are you able to provide a citation? Do the college prospects just become free agents in that scenario?
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:52 am
  • KinesProf wrote:
    poly1274 wrote:
    KiwiHawk wrote:2021 draft will be screwed anyway because the college season will probably be impacted by Covid-19. Would you like to go into a draft where you haven't seen the guys play for a year? It's gonna be chaos.


    If there's no NFL season, there won't be a 2021 draft, It will move on to next year.


    Where did you hear that, are you able to provide a citation? Do the college prospects just become free agents in that scenario?



    No I just thought about it.

    They wouldn't let them be able to apply for the NFL Draft.
    You really think Bengals are going to get the #1 pick again? That would seem unfair.
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Re: 2021 Disaster.
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:45 am
  • MY O' My ......

    Somehow ...... it looks like a few of us have been ignoring John Schneider's persistent emphasis on roster flexibility. Surprise .... surprise.

    If ya travel on over to the "over-the-cap" site and make the mental adjustments of reducing that site's current posted 2021 cap number downward from it's stated value to a projected $175 million number, it results in 2 out of 5 NFL teams as over the cap for 2021.

    Shazam ...... a lesson in the importance of cap management and roster flexibility over multiple years. We're in good hands.
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