Moore: Williams’ shot at Adams and Seahawks defense is right

KitsapGuy · Aug 13, 2020

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I just can’t stand it when the quarterback has too much time in the pocket – he will almost always find an open receiver, especially at the NFL level.

And the Seahawks’ defensive philosophy hasn’t been working, so why not try something different? They were 26th in total defense last year, terrible against the run and the pass. With Adams and Quinton Dunbar, that should change this year, but what about their defensive principles? Will they change too?

Fair question to ask, particularly with a coaching staff that seems stubborn and set in their ways at times, the evidence being their staunch support of playing so much base defense last year and acting like it was somehow better than if they’d gone to nickel defense more often. Really? Those statistical numbers on NFL.com don’t back up what they contend. Could it have been much worse if they’d gone to nickel more frequently? I’d say no. And there’s a chance the overall numbers could have improved.

Teahawks · Aug 13, 2020

The Seahawks running a boring defense works great when you had elite talent. Whenever you have average talent, you need to be creative to compensate.

Secondary looks to be top 3 on paper, and obviously Wagner, but outside of that, the talent level is indeed average to below average.

They also have a history of hyping up everyone with big free agents and then not use them right at all (Graham, Harvin), which is my biggest fear with Adams.

chris98251 · Aug 14, 2020

With good back end support you get boring like this.

JPatera76 · Aug 14, 2020

Bored why? because we don't pay for the hits williams did in NO... or encouraged with the Rams? Williams is piece of work.

pittpnthrs · Aug 14, 2020

They'll run that base defense for the majority of the time and that why the sacks Adams had in NY wont equate to his time in Seattle.

Maulbert · Aug 14, 2020

chris98251":2qutv0rd said:
With good back end support you get boring like this.

I was there for that game. Refs tried to hose us on that play. Thankfully, Red Bryant and Sherm had us covered.

rcaido · Aug 14, 2020

Our defense look quite improved once Diggs got here...I wonder if anyone got the stats difference with Diggs in the game.

KitsapGuy · Aug 14, 2020

Hours later, Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll appeared on 950 KJR in Seattle to talk football and also address Williams' comments. Radio host Dave Mahler asked Carroll if the Seahawks would use Adams like he was used in New York, and Carroll's response was absolutely perfect.

"We're so simple here and basic we probably won't get to any of that stuff. That might be a good idea, though" Carroll joked.

Carroll was then asked to speak on what Adams brings to the team as a pass rusher, and he responded with, "He's not bringing Gregg Williams with him, that's for sure." When specifically asked about Williams' comments concerning Adams potentially getting "bored" with what the Seahawks do on defense, Carroll responded saying, "(Williams) makes more mistakes than we do."

While these comments out of context could be taken as incredibly hostile, Carroll did say that it was all in good fun and even encouraged Williams to respond.

"Come on, Gregg, fire back," Carroll said.. "Let's have some fun with this."

This saga does not appear to be over, which is a bit interesting considering this trade could be seen as a win-win. Although the Seahawks acquired an incredible defensive star, they had to give up quite a haul to get him. In return for Adams, the Jets got two first-round picks and safety Bradley McDougald -- even though it was widely known Adams was completely done with his former franchise. The Seahawks host the Jets in Week 14 this season, so the two coaches will get the chance to hash things out in person later this year.

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Ozzy · Aug 14, 2020

Williams had a better defense than we did last year with arguably less talent. I love Pete but I can see a situation where Pete doesn't take advantage of what Adams can do. Bumpus, Huard and others have said they're a little skeptical Pete will adopt at this stage as well so its not completely unwarranted. On the bright side they did do a little bit with Kam when he was here so I'll hold out hope that Pete does the same with Adams. If he doesn't then its a dumb trade for Seattle to give up that much. Let's see how it plays out. Williams worded it poorly but I'm not sure he's completely wrong either.

TwistedHusky · Aug 14, 2020

Norton is not a great DC. He probably is not a good DC.

Will Adams be able to deal with this?

The other thing defenses in Seattle need to learn to do is hold the door shut for 3 quarters, while the offense does absolutely nothing, then let our offense come in - come from behind (while the defense continues to hold) and get all the credit. That is mentally and physically exhausting.

It p*ssed off guys like Sherman and Earl, who were sick of watching our offense being squandered while they were being worn into the ground. It wasn't even like the offense was not capable. We had games with Wilson having less than 50 yards passing at halftime! Near a season where we scored less than a TD by halftime.

How is Adams going to react to that? He is a pretty vocal guy.

Williams used Adams all over the place. He played CB, LB, and what even looked like DE in some instances. They moved him around and created havoc with him. I doubt we will do that. Our DC isn't any kind of tactical or strategic mastermind and Carroll likes to use base defense a lot.

Adams probably will chafe. We will have to just accept that.

However, we thrive with stellar safeties. We now have them. This should work out for us. Adams will probably complain, but we might win a meaningful game in the playoffs for the 1st time since the SB loss. Well worth it.

Mad Dog · Aug 14, 2020

If Williams can argue that his system made Adams good, why can't Pete argue that his system made Earl, Kam, Sherm and Wagner great?

It's all nonsense. Pete uses a simpler system so he can get consistent results from younger players. IF the players don't have too many things going on in their head they can play fast. It works with good athletes, less so with poor athletes. Just like complicated systems work well with smart athletes and less so with dumb athletes. I think Pete just feels it's easier to find a good athlete compared to finding a smart athlete.

mistaowen · Aug 14, 2020

Adams will be much closer to Kam than Earl in this system and Kam was lined up everywhere. You don't trade 2 first round picks for a guy who can do everything and have him play single high FS every down. He will be manning up TE's, lining up with the LB's on run downs (especially using his speed on the outside runs and jet sweeps they can't seem to stop), likely blitzing once in awhile, blowing up screens.

rcaido · Aug 14, 2020

rcaido":10hg63ld said:
Our defense look quite improved once Diggs got here...I wonder if anyone got the stats difference with Diggs in the game.

Ok i did a little research and wow, look at this stat.

Seahawks without Diggs in 11 games got 16 turnovers
Seahawks with Diggs in just 5 games also got amazing 16 turnovers

Seattle 32 Turnovers were 3rd best last year.

We didnt' create any turnovers the last 5 games, playoffs included.

Seahawks defense was just bad despite being ranke Turnover(3rd) & Passing TD(7th)

The whole bend but dont break worked during the regular season but it wont work against a team like the Packers especially Rogers who doesn't turn the ball over.

Rat · Aug 14, 2020

They’re not going to spend all that capital on him and then use him as a standard player. That’d be like trading for Jimmy Graham to utilize him as a blocker.

Sgt. Largent · Aug 14, 2020

It's mind boggling the disrespect Pete gets, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

He and John build one of the greatest defenses to ever put on NFL helmets, and all of sudden we're questioning his ability to coach players the correct way.

Yep, it's true, when your SS is Tedric Thompson and one of your CB's is Tre Flowers, you have no choice but to play boring base defense.

When you have Dunbar and Adams, who is a top 5 dynamic talent in the entire league? My guess is we're going to see much more complex and versatile formations taking full advantage of what both Diggs and Adams bring to the safety position.

Williams? Good lord, dude is one of the worst D-coordinators in the entire league, and the only time he was halfway good was when he was bribing his defenses with mafia hit money.........and we're taking his sour grape opinions seriously?

Nah.

toffee · Aug 14, 2020

Pete put premium on good safety plays, he did make effort in drafting Earl, and Earl did have a HOF career under Pete. An older Earl playing in a 'complex' system didn't do him too well. Kam had a great career too.

To say Pete doesn't value safety, or didn't know how to scheme for safety just isn't true.

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John63 · Aug 14, 2020

reality is this we did not do enough to improve the pass rush all that much. We now have a top LB and DB corp. We will need to modify some things to take advantage of it. The question is will PC be willing to do it. He has made little change on offense despite it being obvious he should. So we will see.

TheLegendOfBoom · Aug 14, 2020

When Seattle plays defense, it isn’t complicated.

Yes, it is basic.

But when you do the basic things really well, it is difficult to beat.

Carroll’s defense is simple and doesn’t require much thinking.

It allows the player not to think as much and just go out there and make plays.

Carroll’s defense works really well when the talent is there.

Carroll’s defense is predicated on the talent of the secondary, not the pass rush.

When Carroll has his secondary, he can design the defense.

When you are able to play Cover-1 and Cover-3 really well, you take out all aspects of the offense.

Carroll was missing his secondary last year.

He now has some pieces he can work with.

Adams will be a crucial piece to this years successful TOP 5 defense.

Yes, you heard it, TOP 5!

tersal · Aug 14, 2020

Sgt. Largent":1iu4xns0 said:
It's mind boggling the disrespect Pete gets, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

He and John build one of the greatest defenses to ever put on NFL helmets, and all of sudden we're questioning his ability to coach players the correct way.

Yep, it's true, when your SS is Tedric Thompson and one of your CB's is Tre Flowers, you have no choice but to play boring base defense.

When you have Dunbar and Adams, who is a top 5 dynamic talent in the entire league? My guess is we're going to see much more complex and versatile formations taking full advantage of what both Diggs and Adams bring to the safety position.

Williams? Good lord, dude is one of the worst D-coordinators in the entire league, and the only time he was halfway good was when he was bribing his defenses with mafia hit money.........and we're taking his sour grape opinions seriously?

Nah.

Thank you for an excellent reply to this post. The negativity on this site is amazing especially for a coach who has done what Pete has done in Seattle.

KitsapGuy · Aug 14, 2020

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