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That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:27 pm
  • Jamal Adams is absolutely worth the bounty we gave up for him. Hell, the Jets should be ripped for not getting more. What a freaking God of a player!
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:28 pm
  • Rat wrote:Jamal Adams is absolutely worth the bounty we gave up for him. Hell, the Jets should be ripped for not getting more. What a freaking God of a player!



    Agreed
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:32 pm
  • Not feeling bad about that bounty in the least. DPOY candidate.

    He was everywhere. Him and Wagner were lights out. And that Atlanta team is no slouch offensively. They are stacked at receiver and Gurley is solid still. And Ryan is a top 10 QB.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:33 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Not feeling bad about that bounty in the least. DPOY candidate.

    He was everywhere. Him and Wagner were lights out. And that Atlanta team is no slouch offensively. They are stacked at receiver and Gurley is solid still. And Ryan is a top 10 QB.


    Kind of funny that Adams' biggest DPOY threat might be a player on his own team.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:38 pm
  • It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:42 pm
  • mikeak wrote:It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon


    if not a payday for this guy then who? He will get paid by the hawks if he stays healthy this year. He will set the bar for safety.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:48 pm
  • I don't think I've ever seen such a dominant performance at the safety position, he was definitely worth everything the Hawks gave up to get him and then some.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:52 pm
  • mikeak wrote:It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon


    He will deserve top safety pay. These are the types of guys you open the bank for. If a team can’t afford two top players they aren’t managing their cap well.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:55 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:He will deserve top safety pay. These are the types of guys you open the bank for. If a team can’t afford two top players they aren’t managing their cap well.


    He deserves top defensive player pay. Another thing this game should have made obvious to all those who criticized the trade is that Adams is so much more than "just a safety".
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:56 pm
  • Rat wrote:
    Mad Dog wrote:Not feeling bad about that bounty in the least. DPOY candidate.

    He was everywhere. Him and Wagner were lights out. And that Atlanta team is no slouch offensively. They are stacked at receiver and Gurley is solid still. And Ryan is a top 10 QB.


    Kind of funny that Adams' biggest DPOY threat might be a player on his own team.
    What a glorious problem to have!


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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:57 pm
  • And they schemed to use him. Surprised me. Kam and Earl had two sacks combine in their Hawks careers.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:09 pm
  • Speaking of that trade, it looks like McDougald had a solid debut for the Jets, at least statistically: 8 tackles with a pass deflection and a fumble recovery. Good for him.

    Although Josh Allen had, by far, the most passing yards of his career, so it's possible he wasn't great in coverage. I'll have to get a Jets fan opinion on that, as I did not watch the game.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:19 pm
  • If I can't say "I told ya so" then it can't be true and I will spend many keystrokes defending my alternate universe.

    That is how the naysayers deal with being proven wrong. Facts don't matter. The age of the internet has brought us professional contrarians who have honed their contrarian skills to a fine craft.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:44 pm
  • He was a lot of fun to watch. He was incredibly disruptive and came as advertised.

    However, like discussed earlier, the worry is having him long term, not just a rental.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:58 pm
  • I am shocked, not surprised, but shocked that they used him so much on the line. Kudos to the staff.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:02 pm
  • pittpnthrs wrote:I am shocked, not surprised, but shocked that they used him so much on the line. Kudos to the staff.


    confidence in corners and Diggs allows it though. That is a put together secondary.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:03 pm
  • mikeak wrote:We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will.

    That just seems extremely unlikely unless you know something that we don't. The Hawks have never shied away from paying top money to a top player. Look at the contracts for Russ, Bobby, Sherman, Kam, and Lynch. What the Hawks have rightly hesitated on is breaking the bank for players one tier below the top, and there is just no way they would have given up that much for Adams unless they viewed him as a top safety.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:03 pm
  • HawkerD wrote:
    mikeak wrote:It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon


    if not a payday for this guy then who? He will get paid by the hawks if he stays healthy this year. He will set the bar for safety.


    I am not arguing that he shouldn't be paid. I am questioning if Seattle will pay him what he wants. They do hold the upper hand by his fifth year option and threat of a franchise tag so hopefully that works.

    My only point is when you trade away two first rounders for a guy on year 4 of his contract then the situation is more complex than just his level of play
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:26 pm
  • The guy is a baller, making plays all over the field.
    He reminds me of a young Kenny Easley.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:28 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    HawkerD wrote:
    mikeak wrote:It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon


    if not a payday for this guy then who? He will get paid by the hawks if he stays healthy this year. He will set the bar for safety.


    I am not arguing that he shouldn't be paid. I am questioning if Seattle will pay him what he wants. They do hold the upper hand by his fifth year option and threat of a franchise tag so hopefully that works.

    My only point is when you trade away two first rounders for a guy on year 4 of his contract then the situation is more complex than just his level of play

    If he plays like today, you pay him and find away to maneuver other money around.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:07 pm
  • If he plays like today, you pay him and find away to maneuver other money around.


    Was coming here to say exactly the same.

    Unbelievable performance.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:28 pm
  • nanomoz wrote:And they schemed to use him. Surprised me. Kam and Earl had two sacks combine in their Hawks careers.



    This, wow. I forgot pete could actually put a different D-scheme together.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:45 pm
  • Also a great post game interview. Seems like a good character guy for the org along with a bunch of other hawks I would put in that category.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:18 pm
  • The dude loves the game and brings so much juice. He's definitely a keeper.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm
  • That was the first time I watched a complete game that Adams has played in. I havent watched a Jets game in years. I have seen highlights of him but never knew he had true gamechanger ability. He will change this D. Pay the man.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:15 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    HawkerD wrote:
    mikeak wrote:It settles NOTHING

    Most of us perplexed by the trade were not arguing that he isn't an all-star.

    We were arguing that he will likely sit out after this year if he isn't given a massive contract and we question if Seattle will. The value of the trade is dependent on his play AND an extension being agreed upon


    if not a payday for this guy then who? He will get paid by the hawks if he stays healthy this year. He will set the bar for safety.


    I am not arguing that he shouldn't be paid. I am questioning if Seattle will pay him what he wants. They do hold the upper hand by his fifth year option and threat of a franchise tag so hopefully that works.

    My only point is when you trade away two first rounders for a guy on year 4 of his contract then the situation is more complex than just his level of play


    Well by then perhaps the situation would be settled one way or another and either way we'll be back with our first round draft choice, which is and has been even more precarious than whether or not Adams will resign. I'm guessing some in the front office is well aware of the situation.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:29 pm
  • Mr. Adams has increased the effectiveness our Defense by 25%.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:50 pm
  • Unclear now what the economic situation might do to the Cap moving forward. Hopefully, by next offseason it will be clarified somewhat.

    (Not trying to be political here, but there is a bit of economic stress going on out there. ;) )

    That could certainly have an affect on contracts in the near future.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:08 pm
  • Awesome performance yes but it's 1 game. Khalil Mack was awesome too for the Bears but has fallen off somewhat. Let's just wait and see if he can keep consistently playing at this kind of level.

    Definitely exciting to see though.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:48 pm
  • Rat wrote:Speaking of that trade, it looks like McDougald had a solid debut for the Jets, at least statistically: 8 tackles with a pass deflection and a fumble recovery. Good for him.

    Although Josh Allen had, by far, the most passing yards of his career, so it's possible he wasn't great in coverage. I'll have to get a Jets fan opinion on that, as I did not watch the game.


    McDougald is a very good player, which is why so much draft capital seemed very steep. But if Adams keeps up the pace he set in game 1 it's all good.

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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:13 am
  • Appyhawk wrote:Why would anyone choose RAT for their username?


    There may be any number of reasons, but it's (arguably, of course) perhaps the perfect mammal design on the planet. Rats are TOUGH beyond belief, and they are SMART. I have never had one, but they can make great pets if given plenty of personal attention.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:24 am
  • It absolutely DOES settle it. This guy is going to get even better, period.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:06 am
  • Jerhawk wrote:He was a lot of fun to watch. He was incredibly disruptive and came as advertised.

    However, like discussed earlier, the worry is having him long term, not just a rental.


    Admittedly we could have him for 4 years between rookie contract and franchise tags if we wanted to. But I think we'll work out an agreement if he keeps playing like this. No desire for malcontents if we can avoid it.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:29 am
  • Mad Dog wrote:
    Jerhawk wrote:He was a lot of fun to watch. He was incredibly disruptive and came as advertised.

    However, like discussed earlier, the worry is having him long term, not just a rental.


    Admittedly we could have him for 4 years between rookie contract and franchise tags if we wanted to. But I think we'll work out an agreement if he keeps playing like this. No desire for malcontents if we can avoid it.


    Yeah, he could have us over a barrell if he really wants to, and this might be naïve, but I think he is just passionately competitive and won't cause trouble as long as we're winning.

    He is going to get an insane deal though, and it's going up by the week.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:37 am
  • And will be worth every penny.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:47 am
  • The smart thing for him may very well be to ask for the franchise tag, and put off signing a long-term contract for when the cap gets back on track.
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Re: That game should settle one thing...
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:31 pm
  • That was Adams first game, after coming in mid off-season, limited submersion because of Covid (plus everything else) against a pretty solid offense with high round talent at every offensive starting position within a defensive scheme that has rarely allowed safeties to, more or less, smartly freelance unless they were playing out of their minds.

    For all the hooplah, Jets fans are pushing out in safety Marcus Maye’s week 1 stat-line, he was the 39th overall pick in the same draft class as Adams. It’s not like Gregg Williams is making magic out of nothing. Maye isn’t top ten first round talent but was still drafted top 40 overall even after Jets took Adams at #6. Maye also is in 4th season , in midst of his 2nd with Gregg Williams... so Maye has much more familiarity and continuity with the Jets than Adams has had with the Seahawks.

    But Adams almost played like he’s been here his whole career, I just think him and Shaq need to iron things out, and Shaq seemed out of sorts because he’s not used to his SS moving all over the place kind of leaving Griffin on island, more so than ever, in make or break opportunities. We’ll see if Shaq rises up as him and Adams gets more acclimated together.

    But Adams is a force, the thing I’m most excited about is, Wagner has a signature hold-up tackle, that stonewalls ball-carriers but keeps them on their feet. When Adams and Wagner get more chemistry together, along with the emergence of Blair and the scrappiness of Diggs, I see a lot of FF coming our way for teams that choose attack the middle of the field.
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