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Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:18 pm
  • To my surprise, I haven't really seen anyone talking about this in the forum so I think it deserves its own thread.

    It's only game one, but I see a major difference in philosophy compared with years past. Yes Pete has come out with guns blazing in the past, but I saw things in this game that I don't recall ever seeing since PC has been in Seattle which leads me to believe this is the new and improved Pete Carroll.

    Not just talking about winging the ball all over the field which he has done on rare occasions in the past, but things like running up-tempo, no-huddle, etc. I could be mistaken, but other than at end of half 2-minute drills or in the 4th quarter of games when attempting to come from behind, I don't recall Pete ever doing that. It has always been about running the play clock down and shortening the game as much as possible and winning it in the 4th quarter. Today we came out and took the game to the Falcons from the start and it was so damn refreshing to see! I was almost giddy.

    I wasn't sure it was possible for PC to change after all these years, but I think we may be witnessing that change before our very eyes, and I applaud him for it. I can't believe I'm going to say this about a Pete Carroll coached team, but I was actually thinking on at least a couple occasions that they should probably run the ball a bit more and mix it up a little. How often have we said that in the past since Pete has been here?

    I think PC deserves a lot of credit for showing a willingness to listen to others including his QB. I have been ready to move on from Pete for a while because I strongly disagreed with his philosophies, but if he shows a willingness to adapt to today's NFL and maximize his strongest weapons, I would be perfectly content having him here for as long as he chooses, and retiring a Seahawk.

    It's just one game so let's see if this continues. But from what I saw today, I think it's a very good sign going forward and I'm excited at the possibilities. What say you?
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:56 pm
  • I don't dare hope that we will consistently play to our strengths regularly on offense just yet. If we do, however....and keep going for the throat for a full four quarters every game.....then we are playing in the Super Bowl this year.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:37 am
  • He is unleashing Russ.

    Barring injury, I predict that this season will be the statistical pinnacle of his career. Enjoy it, because it he may not be able to replicate it. Russ is truly at his peak right now.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:09 am
  • Part of it is the way this season has started, you don't know what you may have as a team next week. You can't do a slow burn build up, you need to make sure your out of the gate in a hurry as in wins and losses.

    I think him rotating players and keeping them fresh while building up endurance and keeping their legs fresh is important as well.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:25 am
  • We started a hashtag and cyberbullied Pete with the "let Russ cook" campaign.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:12 am
  • Let's not forget this was also a complete rethinking of his defensive approach of the last couple of years too. A return to the early days, IMHO.

    A dominant secondary as the foundation. The nebulous, shifting LEO bringing pressure from anywhere, leaving the offense calling "who's the LEO?" instead of "who's the Mike?"

    Clowney/ Griffen would have been icing on the cake, but they don't really fit what Pete is doing this year, and they would not have been happy with their roles here. For whatever reason, Pete has chosen to devalue the trenches on both sides. With the exception of Brown, we really don't have any big stars in the trenches.

    I love the experiment on both sides of the ball. It is the most Bellichick like move I've seen from Pete. It makes me excited that he has evolved, and we are going to be a real force for the first time in a long time.

    We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:46 am
  • TraderGary wrote:I can't believe I'm going to say this about a Pete Carrol coached team, but I was actually thinking on at least a couple occasions that they should probably run the ball a bit more and mix it up a little. How often have we said that in the past since Pete has been here?


    Just once. :cry:
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:50 am
  • Erebus wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:I can't believe I'm going to say this about a Pete Carrol coached team, but I was actually thinking on at least a couple occasions that they should probably run the ball a bit more and mix it up a little. How often have we said that in the past since Pete has been here?


    Just once. :cry:


    Lol

    Post of the week.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:18 am
  • bigskydoc wrote:
    We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.


    I would pump the brakes on that.. niners and rams are still more of a threat
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:44 am
  • bigskydoc wrote:We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.



    Whoa, clearly making too big an inference from week 1. Week 1 is always the atypical week where teams destined for the playoffs can look bad and teams destined for a high draft pick can look great. Only consistency is that the Browns will lose.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:59 am
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:
    We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.


    I would pump the brakes on that.. niners and rams are still more of a threat


    Unfortunately all three teams are a threat, as we saw last year, and the Cards look stronger (at least from what I saw yesterday).

    Sucks that we keep having to play in the hardest division in football year after year, but here we are.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:05 am
  • We haven't named a thread after it but it seems everyone has been talking about it in one form or another.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:10 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I don't dare hope that we will consistently play to our strengths regularly on offense just yet. If we do, however....and keep going for the throat for a full four quarters every game.....then we are playing in the Super Bowl this year.


    That's my hope as well, but PC is a hard man to read. I think there is still plenty of the old PC lurking around to question a complete change in strategy.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:18 am
  • kf3339 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I don't dare hope that we will consistently play to our strengths regularly on offense just yet. If we do, however....and keep going for the throat for a full four quarters every game.....then we are playing in the Super Bowl this year.


    That's my hope as well, but PC is a hard man to read. I think there is still plenty of the old PC lurking around to question a complete change in strategy.


    Pete hasn't changed, other than giving Russell FAR more control...............at the line, schematically and in game.

    The 4th and 5 at the Falcon's 38 was a perfect example. Old Pete would have punted that relying on his defense, new Pete allowed Russell to talk him into quickly going for it because Russell saw that the Falcon's D was celebrating the 3rd down stop thinking the same thing as us, that Pete would punt.

    So new Pete? Probably not, other than giving Russell more decision making power.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:18 am
  • The Falcons stifled the running game so he went with let’s beat them through the air. Having more quality players as receiving threats helps. At least he didn’t stick with what not was working as he had in the past. That’s a great change.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:20 am
  • We've gone for it on 4th down a number of times over the years in similar situations. One of the biggest fourth down conversions in franchise history happened from the SF 35 yard line, and they have always thought in that 34-40 range that going for it makes more sense than a short punt or a very long field goal.

    Our offense was much better than people think last season - up until all of the RBs, TEs, and interior OL went down. Everybody's healthy now with a couple of off-season additions, and the offense looks very good once more. Hopefully the heavy rotations help to minimize injury risk going forwards, but that's still a huge factor and we're always a couple of injuries away from everybody complaining again.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:51 am
  • Great topic. I also can't help but think that some of the difference in what we saw yesterday on both sides of the ball and will continue to see in the future is also a result of two factors.
    1. Pete being won over by Russ's hall of fame ability and his now complete command of his skill and his team. Russell, for as magic as he was through two superbowls and perennial play off success hadn't really solidified himself entirely as the undisputed leader of the franchise. Part of that ibthink was just Russ's quirkiness and seeming willingness to play the consumate company guy. Say the right thing, do the right thing, tow the company line. Efficiency, efficiency efficiency. He played the role flawlessly and in the process also turned the NFL record books upside down. Carrol trusts him now. He has helped make him. But I think Pete also realizes now that he is a result of russ's brilliance as much as russ was a result of Carroll's guidance through the LOB years. Its a transition. Pete can back off because his philosophy is ingrained in Russ's DNA. He can sling it... but when he does he still does it with discipline and control.

    2. It is literally the beginning of the transition to the next regime. Pete clearly sees his time coming to an end and I think he knows his legacy will live on in russ but that russ will be slinging the ball in seattle long after Pete hangs it up and gets invited back to raise the 12's flag. Its a passing ofnthe torch to Russ and schotty who i wager will be our next HC. Pete has laid the groundwork and hard nosed mentality for the offense. Now russ and schottenheimer will evolve it into the next era of hawks ball.

    I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:57 am
  • Nothing about yesterday looked like the Seahawk football we are used to.

    We scored TDs in the first half.

    We passed often, and sometimes early.

    We threw quickly.

    We blitzed our safeties.

    We barely even ran the ball.



    It might be that Carroll saw that without the preseason and with some of the practice time impacted, the defenses were going to be behind. It looked like every team threw more yesterday from the kickoff.

    My hope is that Carroll sticks with it. The Patriots will be a huge test for us though.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:24 am
  • keasley45 wrote:
    I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.


    Be patient with the defense, there's a lot of new pieces in the defensive backfield and D-line..............going to take time to clean up some of the sloppy gap and scheme issues we saw yesterday.

    Especially with Adams giving as much free reign as he's apparently being given, and Dunbar being thrown into CB without hardly any camp reps, that creates communication issues that like I said, need time to be ironed out.

    The good news is we haven't seen that much hitting and aggression out of the defense in what, four years? I betcha there were more big hits by the defense yesterday than the entire year last season.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:06 pm
  • we will know the game or two RW is shut down and the run game is effective, does he just go back to what he knows.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:27 pm
  • The zone blocking system we use takes an extraordinary amount of feel and timing between the offensive lineman. With no preseason games and two thirds of the starters being new to the line, there is limited chance we can be overly effective in the early parts of the season. It looks like they have come up with a plan that will work in developing the run blocking. Once that is done, we will be a pretty heavy run team.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:32 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.


    If Dan Quinn gets the bullet at the Falcons this year, wonder if there is a chance he returns as DC, even short term.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:36 pm
  • bigskydoc wrote:Let's not forget this was also a complete rethinking of his defensive approach of the last couple of years too. A return to the early days, IMHO.

    A dominant secondary as the foundation. The nebulous, shifting LEO bringing pressure from anywhere, leaving the offense calling "who's the LEO?" instead of "who's the Mike?"

    Clowney/ Griffen would have been icing on the cake, but they don't really fit what Pete is doing this year, and they would not have been happy with their roles here. For whatever reason, Pete has chosen to devalue the trenches on both sides. With the exception of Brown, we really don't have any big stars in the trenches.

    I love the experiment on both sides of the ball. It is the most Bellichick like move I've seen from Pete. It makes me excited that he has evolved, and we are going to be a real force for the first time in a long time.

    We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.


    Great points on the defensive approach and the evolving of PC. Disagree with Clowney not needed or not fitting in the new scheme. You can always find a way to maximize a talent like Clowney, particularly in an area where we are weakest and in need of an upgrade.

    In my mind, not resigning Clowney was the Hawks biggest mistake this year. The money that was spent on Finney and Olsen I would have much rather seen go to a difference maker like Clowney in an area of need. I think he is potentially the missing link to a Super Bowl run, but hopefully someone else on the DL will step up and surprise us.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:43 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:
    We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.


    I would pump the brakes on that.. niners and rams are still more of a threat


    Agreed. Thankfully the niners biggest weakness is at the most crucial position on the field, QB. If they had an elite QB like a Russell Wilson, they would be nearly unbeatable. And you could pretty much say the same thing about the Rams although Goff always seems to have his best games against us.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:47 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:
    bigskydoc wrote:We just have to figure out the Cards. They are going to be tough this year, and it's a two horse race for the NFCW.



    Whoa, clearly making too big an inference from week 1. Week 1 is always the atypical week where teams destined for the playoffs can look bad and teams destined for a high draft pick can look great. Only consistency is that the Browns will lose.


    lol those poor Browns fans. I suppose the Browns and Mariners fans can sympathize with each other and throw a pity party together.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:00 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I don't dare hope that we will consistently play to our strengths regularly on offense just yet. If we do, however....and keep going for the throat for a full four quarters every game.....then we are playing in the Super Bowl this year.


    That's my hope as well, but PC is a hard man to read. I think there is still plenty of the old PC lurking around to question a complete change in strategy.


    Pete hasn't changed, other than giving Russell FAR more control...............at the line, schematically and in game.

    The 4th and 5 at the Falcon's 38 was a perfect example. Old Pete would have punted that relying on his defense, new Pete allowed Russell to talk him into quickly going for it because Russell saw that the Falcon's D was celebrating the 3rd down stop thinking the same thing as us, that Pete would punt.

    So new Pete? Probably not, other than giving Russell more decision making power.


    Excellent points. But after I created this thread last night, I went to YouTube and watched the PC postgame press conference. The things I heard him say leads me to believe this was not just an aberration.

    Pete praised Schott's play-calling and stated he thought he called a great game throughout, start to finish. He also had very high praise for the way RW was in complete control of the offense the entire game. Those statements and others lead me to believe the handcuffs are off and he's finally realizing our best chance for victory is putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Wilson.

    Perhaps we're saying the same thing but in a different way. However I'm seeing a new and aggressive Pete that we have rarely if ever seen in the past.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:01 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.


    Be patient with the defense, there's a lot of new pieces in the defensive backfield and D-line..............going to take time to clean up some of the sloppy gap and scheme issues we saw yesterday.

    Especially with Adams giving as much free reign as he's apparently being given, and Dunbar being thrown into CB without hardly any camp reps, that creates communication issues that like I said, need time to be ironed out.

    The good news is we haven't seen that much hitting and aggression out of the defense in what, four years? I betcha there were more big hits by the defense yesterday than the entire year last season.


    Agreed. Cant remember a game in the last few years (other than Clowney's B slap of the Niners on Monday Night) where the ooohs and ohhhhhhhs, were being shouted at the TV at the outright savageness of some of the tackling on our D. Our guys were fired up. I appreciate the workman, 'peaceful warrior' image of guys like Bobby and KJ, but defense needs to be played with an edge. When we were great, we had Clemons, Bryant and Mebane keeping the guys up front hyped, while Cam, Earl and B Browner came in to destroy ball carriers. It was 60 minutes of 'oh my god, he has to be dead...' , and 'oooooooooo, thats gonna hurt'. You almost felt bad for the other guys when the realized they were literally outMANNED.- not really.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:06 pm
  • hawkfan68 wrote:The Falcons stifled the running game so he went with let’s beat them through the air. Having more quality players as receiving threats helps. At least he didn’t stick with what not was working as he had in the past. That’s a great change.


    I respectfully disagree. I was not under any impression that they were trying to establish the run first the way they have pretty much always done in the past. They came out very aggressive from the start, on their very first drive. If anything, they established the pass to open up the run, the exact opposite of what they've always done in the past.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:10 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:Great topic. I also can't help but think that some of the difference in what we saw yesterday on both sides of the ball and will continue to see in the future is also a result of two factors.
    1. Pete being won over by Russ's hall of fame ability and his now complete command of his skill and his team. Russell, for as magic as he was through two superbowls and perennial play off success hadn't really solidified himself entirely as the undisputed leader of the franchise. Part of that ibthink was just Russ's quirkiness and seeming willingness to play the consumate company guy. Say the right thing, do the right thing, tow the company line. Efficiency, efficiency efficiency. He played the role flawlessly and in the process also turned the NFL record books upside down. Carrol trusts him now. He has helped make him. But I think Pete also realizes now that he is a result of russ's brilliance as much as russ was a result of Carroll's guidance through the LOB years. Its a transition. Pete can back off because his philosophy is ingrained in Russ's DNA. He can sling it... but when he does he still does it with discipline and control.

    2. It is literally the beginning of the transition to the next regime. Pete clearly sees his time coming to an end and I think he knows his legacy will live on in russ but that russ will be slinging the ball in seattle long after Pete hangs it up and gets invited back to raise the 12's flag. Its a passing ofnthe torch to Russ and schotty who i wager will be our next HC. Pete has laid the groundwork and hard nosed mentality for the offense. Now russ and schottenheimer will evolve it into the next era of hawks ball.

    I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.


    One of the best posts I've ever read on here.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:11 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Falcons stifled the running game so he went with let’s beat them through the air. Having more quality players as receiving threats helps. At least he didn’t stick with what not was working as he had in the past. That’s a great change.


    I respectfully disagree. I was not under any impression that they were trying to establish the run first the way they have pretty much always done in the past. They came out very aggressive from the start, on their very first drive. If anything, they established the pass to open up the run, the exact opposite of what they've always done in the past.


    i think they did go a bit more 'traditional' in the 2nd qtr and the falcons were ready for it. Maybe i'm remembering wrong?
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:13 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I don't dare hope that we will consistently play to our strengths regularly on offense just yet. If we do, however....and keep going for the throat for a full four quarters every game.....then we are playing in the Super Bowl this year.


    That's my hope as well, but PC is a hard man to read. I think there is still plenty of the old PC lurking around to question a complete change in strategy.


    Pete hasn't changed, other than giving Russell FAR more control...............at the line, schematically and in game.

    The 4th and 5 at the Falcon's 38 was a perfect example. Old Pete would have punted that relying on his defense, new Pete allowed Russell to talk him into quickly going for it because Russell saw that the Falcon's D was celebrating the 3rd down stop thinking the same thing as us, that Pete would punt.

    So new Pete? Probably not, other than giving Russell more decision making power.


    Excellent points. But after I created this thread last night, I went to YouTube and watched the PC postgame press conference. The things I heard him say leads me to believe this was not just an aberration.

    Pete praised Schott's play-calling and stated he thought he called a great game throughout, start to finish. He also had very high praise for the way RW was in complete control of the offense the entire game. Those statements and others lead me to believe the handcuffs are off and he's finally realizing our best chance for victory is putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Wilson.

    Perhaps we're saying the same thing but in a different way. However I'm seeing a new and aggressive Pete that we have rarely if ever seen in the past.



    It's not an aberration.

    You don't all of a sudden give up control of your offense to your future HOF QB who's at the peak of his prime fully understanding how to read and playcall defenses........and then put the clamps back on Russell.

    This is how Pete wants to operate the offense now, give Russell more control. He's more than proven he's capable.

    Doesn't mean Pete isn't gonna Pete it up once in a while, but it does mean what we saw yesterday should continue.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:18 pm
  • warden wrote:The zone blocking system we use takes an extraordinary amount of feel and timing between the offensive lineman. With no preseason games and two thirds of the starters being new to the line, there is limited chance we can be overly effective in the early parts of the season. It looks like they have come up with a plan that will work in developing the run blocking. Once that is done, we will be a pretty heavy run team.


    That's not my impression based on what I saw yesterday. Between what I saw on the field and in Pete's postgame press conference, and the way he praised Schott for his play-calling and RW for his leadership, poise, and complete control of the offense, I believe we will be somewhere in the middle. I don't believe we're going to wing it all over the field every game the way we did yesterday, but I also don't think he's going to go back to the conservative run, run, pass, punt route either. I think it will be somewhere in the middle which I believe is the sweet spot for this team.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:20 pm
  • Glasgow Seahawk wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:I just wish there was a better aire on the defensive side of the ball. Seems we are assembling the pieces and the aggressiveness on D Was nice to see yesterday, but i just dont see norton being adept enough to take advantage of the tools he has beyond the occassional Blitz / freelance package featuring j adams.


    If Dan Quinn gets the bullet at the Falcons this year, wonder if there is a chance he returns as DC, even short term.


    In the immortal words of Paul McCartney, please "Let it Be". That would be a god send.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:32 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Falcons stifled the running game so he went with let’s beat them through the air. Having more quality players as receiving threats helps. At least he didn’t stick with what not was working as he had in the past. That’s a great change.


    I respectfully disagree. I was not under any impression that they were trying to establish the run first the way they have pretty much always done in the past. They came out very aggressive from the start, on their very first drive. If anything, they established the pass to open up the run, the exact opposite of what they've always done in the past.


    i think they did go a bit more 'traditional' in the 2nd qtr and the falcons were ready for it. Maybe i'm remembering wrong?


    Perhaps a little more traditional than earlier. But the only time I recall the Falcons shutting anyone down was when they were handing the ball off to Travis Homer who was completely ineffective. And speaking of that, what the hell were they doing trying to turn Homer into a power back at the goal line? That was one of the more perplexing decisions I've seen in a while. lol

    FWIW, I'm out of market so I was watching the game online and briefly lost my stream a couple times. So I may have missed a couple plays here and there.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:35 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    kf3339 wrote:
    That's my hope as well, but PC is a hard man to read. I think there is still plenty of the old PC lurking around to question a complete change in strategy.


    Pete hasn't changed, other than giving Russell FAR more control...............at the line, schematically and in game.

    The 4th and 5 at the Falcon's 38 was a perfect example. Old Pete would have punted that relying on his defense, new Pete allowed Russell to talk him into quickly going for it because Russell saw that the Falcon's D was celebrating the 3rd down stop thinking the same thing as us, that Pete would punt.

    So new Pete? Probably not, other than giving Russell more decision making power.


    Excellent points. But after I created this thread last night, I went to YouTube and watched the PC postgame press conference. The things I heard him say leads me to believe this was not just an aberration.

    Pete praised Schott's play-calling and stated he thought he called a great game throughout, start to finish. He also had very high praise for the way RW was in complete control of the offense the entire game. Those statements and others lead me to believe the handcuffs are off and he's finally realizing our best chance for victory is putting the ball in the hands of his best player, Wilson.

    Perhaps we're saying the same thing but in a different way. However I'm seeing a new and aggressive Pete that we have rarely if ever seen in the past.



    It's not an aberration.

    You don't all of a sudden give up control of your offense to your future HOF QB who's at the peak of his prime fully understanding how to read and playcall defenses........and then put the clamps back on Russell.

    This is how Pete wants to operate the offense now, give Russell more control. He's more than proven he's capable.

    Doesn't mean Pete isn't gonna Pete it up once in a while, but it does mean what we saw yesterday should continue.


    I agree
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:42 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:The Falcons stifled the running game so he went with let’s beat them through the air. Having more quality players as receiving threats helps. At least he didn’t stick with what not was working as he had in the past. That’s a great change.


    I respectfully disagree. I was not under any impression that they were trying to establish the run first the way they have pretty much always done in the past. They came out very aggressive from the start, on their very first drive. If anything, they established the pass to open up the run, the exact opposite of what they've always done in the past.


    i think they did go a bit more 'traditional' in the 2nd qtr and the falcons were ready for it. Maybe i'm remembering wrong?


    Perhaps a little more traditional than earlier. But the only time I recall the Falcons shutting anyone down was when they were handing the ball off to Travis Homer who was completely ineffective. And speaking of that, what the hell were they doing trying to turn Homer into a power back at the goal line? That was one of the more perplexing decisions I've seen in a while. lol

    FWIW, I'm out of market so I was watching the game online and briefly lost my stream a couple times. So I may have missed a couple plays here and there.


    Yes, regarding Homer. All i can attribute that to is the humanity of Peter Carrol. The man is genuine about building men and giving guys opportunities. Now, If this was the D Bevell era I'd say they were trying to outsmart themselves into outsmarting the Flacons into thinking they were smarter and that we wouldnt run because if we were smart, we would only run out of sets featuring the two headed monster of Carson & Hyde... or something like that.

    Have to say the only time i cursed at the TV was the 3rd down play call (swing or pitch to Homer) that went for a loss... right before the 4th down play that Russ hit DK on for a TD.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:58 pm
  • keasley45 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    I respectfully disagree. I was not under any impression that they were trying to establish the run first the way they have pretty much always done in the past. They came out very aggressive from the start, on their very first drive. If anything, they established the pass to open up the run, the exact opposite of what they've always done in the past.


    i think they did go a bit more 'traditional' in the 2nd qtr and the falcons were ready for it. Maybe i'm remembering wrong?


    Perhaps a little more traditional than earlier. But the only time I recall the Falcons shutting anyone down was when they were handing the ball off to Travis Homer who was completely ineffective. And speaking of that, what the hell were they doing trying to turn Homer into a power back at the goal line? That was one of the more perplexing decisions I've seen in a while. lol

    FWIW, I'm out of market so I was watching the game online and briefly lost my stream a couple times. So I may have missed a couple plays here and there.


    Yes, regarding Homer. All i can attribute that to is the humanity of Peter Carrol. The man is genuine about building men and giving guys opportunities. Now, If this was the D Bevell era I'd say they were trying to outsmart themselves into outsmarting the Flacons into thinking they were smarter and that we wouldnt run because if we were smart, we would only run out of sets featuring the two headed monster of Carter & Hyde... or something like that.

    Have to say the only time i cursed at the TV was the 3rd down play call (swing or pitch to Homer) that went for a loss... right before the 4th down plan that Russ hit DK on for a TD.


    Yes I remember that play well and I wasn't very happy about it either.

    BTW, I know you meant "Carson" and Hyde and not "Carter" and Hyde. lol And while I'm at it, I need to correct my own spelling. It's "Pete Carroll", not "Pete Carrol".
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:04 pm
  • Reports are that Wilson gave this staff an ultimatum.

    So Carroll may not have had a choice. Which is fine by me.

    What I do know is that I saw a tweet yesterday, some point in the 3rd quarter that said that none of our RBs had more than 4 rushes at that point. Not sure if it was true but sounds about right. And it would seem to indicate change.

    Wilson was the best player on the field yesterday. But he is usually the best player on the field EVERY game (at least the past few years). Why we won't use him for 4 quarters is a mystery to me. But the smoke leaking says Wilson is tired of it.

    Happy to hear it.

    I don't think this is a week one aberration. I think this is Wilson taking control of his team. Finally.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:05 pm
  • Homer's carries yesterday were a microcosm of the subtle brilliance of Pete.

    Homer didn't need to carry the ball in week one with both Carson and Hyde fresh, especially at the goal line...........but Pete knows it's a LONG season and he's probably going to need Homer sharp and confident before the season's over.

    So how do you make sure your 3rd string back is engaged, sharp and confident in the offense throughout the season? You give him a couple series a game and put him in the game in key spots.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:21 pm
  • TraderGary wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    TraderGary wrote:
    keasley45 wrote:
    i think they did go a bit more 'traditional' in the 2nd qtr and the falcons were ready for it. Maybe i'm remembering wrong?


    Perhaps a little more traditional than earlier. But the only time I recall the Falcons shutting anyone down was when they were handing the ball off to Travis Homer who was completely ineffective. And speaking of that, what the hell were they doing trying to turn Homer into a power back at the goal line? That was one of the more perplexing decisions I've seen in a while. lol

    FWIW, I'm out of market so I was watching the game online and briefly lost my stream a couple times. So I may have missed a couple plays here and there.


    Yes, regarding Homer. All i can attribute that to is the humanity of Peter Carrol. The man is genuine about building men and giving guys opportunities. Now, If this was the D Bevell era I'd say they were trying to outsmart themselves into outsmarting the Flacons into thinking they were smarter and that we wouldnt run because if we were smart, we would only run out of sets featuring the two headed monster of Carter & Hyde... or something like that.

    Have to say the only time i cursed at the TV was the 3rd down play call (swing or pitch to Homer) that went for a loss... right before the 4th down plan that Russ hit DK on for a TD.


    Yes I remember that play well and I wasn't very happy about it either.

    BTW, I know you meant "Carson" and Hyde and not "Carter" and Hyde. lol And while I'm at it, I need to correct my own spelling. It's "Pete Carroll", not "Pete Carrol".


    Kneejerk... Carter vs Carson. Hate that I do that because I don't particularly care for the guy (Carter). Thanks for the heads-up ;)
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:20 pm
  • One thing that seemed different was they didnt let a penalty or sack end the drives early in the game. They ovecame those when it did happen.

    I saw a lot of the same plays ran from last year with different personnel packages. With 3 different TEs they have a lot of versatility.

    I still think the run will play a huge part of this offense. Its still wins games in this league. They just couldnt afford to try to shorten the game the way ATL. was playing.

    There are a lot of great posts in this thread.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:19 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:]Reports are that Wilson gave this staff an ultimatum.

    So Carroll may not have had a choice. Which is fine by me.

    What I do know is that I saw a tweet yesterday, some point in the 3rd quarter that said that none of our RBs had more than 4 rushes at that point. Not sure if it was true but sounds about right. And it would seem to indicate change.

    Wilson was the best player on the field yesterday. But he is usually the best player on the field EVERY game (at least the past few years). Why we won't use him for 4 quarters is a mystery to me. But the smoke leaking says Wilson is tired of it.

    Happy to hear it.

    I don't think this is a week one aberration. I think this is Wilson taking control of his team. Finally.


    Why isn't anyone talking about this? They just talked about this on ESPN.

    Russ gave Pete an ultimatum, let him cook or hes leaving. THIS is why Pete changed the plan, AND ITS ABOUT TIME RUSS MADE HIM.

    I don't know about you guys, but I am sick and tired of being down 10+ points at halftime in big games, only for Russ to fight back and have us lose by a TD or less.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:41 pm
  • beastalamode wrote:
    TwistedHusky wrote:]Reports are that Wilson gave this staff an ultimatum.

    So Carroll may not have had a choice. Which is fine by me.

    What I do know is that I saw a tweet yesterday, some point in the 3rd quarter that said that none of our RBs had more than 4 rushes at that point. Not sure if it was true but sounds about right. And it would seem to indicate change.

    Wilson was the best player on the field yesterday. But he is usually the best player on the field EVERY game (at least the past few years). Why we won't use him for 4 quarters is a mystery to me. But the smoke leaking says Wilson is tired of it.

    Happy to hear it.

    I don't think this is a week one aberration. I think this is Wilson taking control of his team. Finally.


    Why isn't anyone talking about this? They just talked about this on ESPN.

    Russ gave Pete an ultimatum, let him cook or hes leaving. THIS is why Pete changed the plan, AND ITS ABOUT TIME RUSS MADE HIM.

    I don't know about you guys, but I am sick and tired of being down 10+ points at halftime in big games, only for Russ to fight back and have us lose by a TD or less.



    Put up a Link or put it in the round file, he isn't Aaron Rodgers and I doubt if he did say that he would do it where ESPN would get it or tell ESPN he did it, it is counter to everything he is and his image.

    Pete has said he is ready to turn over more responsibility to Russell every year as he grows, that is on tape.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:57 pm
  • Not the only report I've seen but here is one.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/sea ... philosophy

    I've seen 4 different reports of this today. Most alluding to 'unknown sources' but take it as you will.

    Russ is probably tired of everyone lauding other players and having his coach hold him back. We haven't been successful in the playoffs since our SB loss. That, for the most part, is not on Wilson. He knows it.

    He also knows he is as good as Mahomes but last year had to play only for a half per game. Mahomes got 4 quarters each game.

    Anyway, not to hijack the thread. If this is true, Carroll would have to change. He would have no choice.

    Coaches are notorious control freaks. He isn't going to magically change for no reason. But, one reason could be the Atlanta secondary is not great. So it could have been a focus on passing knowing the defense would struggle to stop it.

    Teams on average scored 10pts extra this week, likely because defenses are not ready yet.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carrol?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:33 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:Whoa, clearly making too big an inference from week 1. Week 1 is always the atypical week where teams destined for the playoffs can look bad and teams destined for a high draft pick can look great. Only consistency is that the Browns will lose.


    It's not based on week one. It's based on last year's performances, and how the teams adjusted in the offseason. The Rams are a shell of themselves. The Niners are going to revert to their mean. It's the Hawks and Cardinals this year. Week 1 was just confirmatory.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:12 pm
  • Bobblehead wrote:https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/9/14/21436710/report-russ-demanded-seattle-seahawks-change-offensive-philosophy-more-urgency-early-depart

    Something from FG about it


    This is from someone in the comments section of that attached thread so take it for what it's worth. I will say though that this sounds more like what I would expect from RW.

    I actually have an inside source at Vmac. (For a number or years now) Scuttlebutt within the organization is that Wilson did indeed ask for some changes. However, according to my source he didn't threaten the team with leaving. He did lobby considerably for several changes, but it's not his way to threaten to leave to get his way. I'm told that him and schotties relationship couldn't be better. That the offense is a brain trust of both of them working together. That's the information I have at least.

    I will say that it seems unlikely as well that Wilson would threaten leaving, he loves Seattle and it's not really in his nature to go against the grain like that.

    My2centsworth anyway.

    Take my source with grain of salt of course. I can say he has been right more then wrong with info I have gotten. example I knew long before the draft years ago that the Hawks were going after Tyler Lockett. I was even ridiculed on the boards when I made the suggestion.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:39 pm
  • I doubt that Wilson would be confrontational about it. But when you hear stories about things like this, you ask 'Who is the leaker?' Player side or Team? Clearly Player side here.

    When things like this come out, 90% of the time it is from the agent to contacts in the media they have.

    He doesn't need to be confrontational or demanding. He just leaks the message through the press, and this certainly has all the indicators of a campaign. Whether by Wilson or the agent, the team gets a subtle message - fix this or we will have problems in the future. The 'ultimatum' over his contract went the same way.

    I doubt this is smoke. Chris Carson had 6 total carries in the last game. That is so out of character for Carroll either:

    1 - A key player in the run game was hurt or unable to perform

    2 - Wilson pounded the table for, and got, more offensive power.

    More signs point to #2 than #1.

    Regardless, genie out of the bottle. If Carroll goes run heavy and we lose, the fans will turn on him. Carroll has to use Wilson more at least until he fails. That is all most of us wanted anyway.

    It would be unlikely that all these stories came out of the air. ESPN reported it. Plenty of other outlets mentioned it. FG even. It probably came from the Wilson camp and that was probably enough threat to push Carroll to change.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:56 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Not the only report I've seen but here is one.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/sea ... philosophy

    I've seen 4 different reports of this today. Most alluding to 'unknown sources' but take it as you will.

    Russ is probably tired of everyone lauding other players and having his coach hold him back. We haven't been successful in the playoffs since our SB loss. That, for the most part, is not on Wilson. He knows it.

    He also knows he is as good as Mahomes but last year had to play only for a half per game. Mahomes got 4 quarters each game.

    Anyway, not to hijack the thread. If this is true, Carroll would have to change. He would have no choice.

    Coaches are notorious control freaks. He isn't going to magically change for no reason. But, one reason could be the Atlanta secondary is not great. So it could have been a focus on passing knowing the defense would struggle to stop it.

    Teams on average scored 10pts extra this week, likely because defenses are not ready yet.



    Sorry my view of Florio is click bait, he has painted the Seahawks in a Negative light since he came here and they didn't give him Cris Collingsworth treatment, said he hated it here and that he hopes to never have to come back.
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Re: Is this the new Pete Carroll?
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 am
  • First guy I heard allude to it was Simms. But then you heard it on ESPN, saw it on FG, etc.

    Admittedly, Florio seems to sometimes have a bias against the Hawks. Though some of that might be reasonable skepticism after getting burned yearly when the Hawks look like Super Bowl contenders at the 3/4 mark and everyone expects them to go all the way. Only to look stupid when they invariably stumble in whatever game after the wildcar they play. Maybe he does dislike the Hawks though and you are correct?

    It is a big leap to go from disliking a team or player to literally inventing quotes. That seems a big professional risk. Seems more likely that an agent plants the story to get his star QB better treatment after watching a # of young QBs that don't look substantially better rocket past your client in terms of the league highlighting them.

    And if the media is massively misrepresenting the Wilson camp, wouldn't the natural response from his camp be to refute it?

    Finally, can you explain any other reason our star RB gets 6 total carries in a football game? 4 in the half? When usually he would have 2x-3x that? Especially given our own coach having an insane obsession with rushing the ball?
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