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Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:36 am
  • Not sure what to make of this...thought I'd bring it up though.

    From Doug Baldwin Jr. twitter account:

    Doug Baldwin Jr @DougBaldwinJr · 8h
    I’m blessed to be in the position I am as a professional athlete and role model to younger kids. Wasn’t too long ago I was a kid dreaming…

    Doug Baldwin Jr @DougBaldwinJr · 8h
    … But for the person I am and what I believe in, I will not be robotic in what I display as my “brand.” I will not be fake as some are.

    Doug Baldwin Jr @DougBaldwinJr · 8h
    I want kids to look at me and say “He’s real. He’s genuine. He is not just trying to make his ‘brand’ look good” …

    Doug Baldwin Jr @DougBaldwinJr · 8h
    Humility is a real thing. But some fake it really well for their own gain. That to me is more sinister than anything in this business.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:55 am
  • Where do you get that that has anything to do with Wilson?
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:00 am
  • ...Seriously? sounds like one of Doug's patented rants.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:15 am
  • All I got from that is that the OP thinks Russell is a fraud.

    Really?
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:32 am
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:44 am
  • To be fair to the OP. Many people replied asking if it was Russ in the tweets. ADB responded to many questions and replies. He didn't reply to a single person asking if it was Russ.
    hawksincebirth wrote:So Russell has leverage but marshawn doesn't ? I thought its next man up. Hey we got t jack and bj Daniels right ??
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:47 am
  • Well if there is heat, the first to go would be DB, not RW.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:49 am
  • Cartire wrote:To be fair to the OP. Many people replied asking if it was Russ in the tweets. ADB responded to many questions and replies. He didn't reply to a single person asking if it was Russ.


    So everyone thinks Russ is a fruad?

    awwwwwwwwwwwwwkward.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:54 am
  • Throwdown wrote:
    Cartire wrote:To be fair to the OP. Many people replied asking if it was Russ in the tweets. ADB responded to many questions and replies. He didn't reply to a single person asking if it was Russ.


    So everyone thinks Russ is a fruad?

    awwwwwwwwwwwwwkward.


    I Think they think Doug thinks so. I think Doug using robot and brand with kids (while Russ is doing his camp) is where people draw the connection. I think the fact that Doug took the time to reply to various comments in his tweets but not dispute the notion that it was RW is suspicious.
    hawksincebirth wrote:So Russell has leverage but marshawn doesn't ? I thought its next man up. Hey we got t jack and bj Daniels right ??
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:57 am
  • Has nothing to do with RW don't make stuff up!!!
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:59 am
  • Seems a bit of a reach to me.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:04 am
  • Hawkboi wrote:Has nothing to do with RW don't make stuff up!!!


    Well, don't hold out on us. What else did Doug tell you?
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:32 am
  • So while Russ had dedicated his off season to running his camp, visiting hospitals, and helping kids, Doug is calling him a disingenuous fraud? That sounds way more disparaging of Doug than it does Wilson.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:34 am
  • Even if he is talking about Russ (and I think it's probable)...who cares? One throws the ball, the other catches the ball. As long as they are on the same page while on the field I couldn't care less if they don't like each other off of it.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:49 am
  • There's a problem between Doug and every single person on the face of the planet...
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:49 am
  • just win football games (ymmv).
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:51 am
  • I read the tweets last night and thought the exact same thing. I know we are in the slow season of football news, but I couldn't help but think, "wow, that sounds like a shot at RW." Not to mention, there was some other twitter ramblings earlier from a few folks accusing RW of being a fraud at his camps, etc.

    I'd really like to give Doug the benefit of the doubt on this, but honestly, it is really hard (for me) to not connect a few dots on this. I've always thought that Doug did not like RW and it's not-so-subtle things like this that kind of reinforce that thought (to me).
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:52 am
  • :177692: :34853_doh: :141847_bnono: Why would DB say anything bad about Wilson? He really needs to clear this up and take care of any negative implications on the man who can/will make him a top receiver in NFL.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:09 am
  • I hate the offseason.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:09 am
  • had2bhawk wrote::177692: :34853_doh: :141847_bnono: Why would DB say anything bad about Wilson? He really needs to clear this up and take care of any negative implications on the man who can/will make him a top receiver in NFL.


    If there is anything to clear up it will be done behind closed doors. He needs to clarify nothing to the fans imo.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:12 am
  • OkieHawk wrote:I hate the offseason.


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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:20 am
  • Brahn wrote:
    had2bhawk wrote::177692: :34853_doh: :141847_bnono: Why would DB say anything bad about Wilson? He really needs to clear this up and take care of any negative implications on the man who can/will make him a top receiver in NFL.


    If there is anything to clear up it will be done behind closed doors. He needs to clarify nothing to the fans imo.


    I would agree, however, I think DB needs to exercise that notion prior to posting anything. He needs to stop using twitter as a means of venting and lecturing. Or, if he doesnt want to go all ADB, keep it outta of the team.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:22 am
  • For crying out loud people. Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. OF COURSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT WILSON.

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    Kids.

    There's no "probable" or "ifs".

    All we should be discussing here is how people feel about that rift between Baldwin and Wilson and whether Baldwin should even be posting anything in the first place.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:41 am
  • The offseason is lame.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:42 am
  • SalishHawkFan wrote:For crying out loud people. Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. OF COURSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT WILSON.

    Robotic.

    Kids.

    There's no "probable" or "ifs".

    All we should be discussing here is how people feel about that rift between Baldwin and Wilson and whether Baldwin should even be posting anything in the first place.


    I agree, I was reading this last night too and about 30 min after Doug's rant, Wilson posts "Rise Above"

    Its pretty obvious that RW is building his brand. Every post or interview I see from him during the offseason has some sort of corporate promotion involved and can be a bit corny, but honestly who cares. I completely understand and support a guy trying to build his brand in the offseason.
    And secondly, how can anyone honestly say that because a guy is plugging corporate sponsors and building his brand, he is not genuine about helping kids and being a good role model?
    The reality is that in order to travel around the country doing football camps, you need sponsors to help fund it. And its also a good opportunity to build your brand. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
    That post from Doug kind of pisses me off and it pretty inappropriate if you ask me. But hey, maybe Doug is right, maybe RW has all of us fooled, maybe he doesn't give a damn about any of the kids at his camps and only care about American Family Insurance and Alaska Airlines... Thats really hard to believe.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:43 am
  • How many of us would be disappointed to find out Russ isn't what he really appears to be? If behind the scenes hes something of a prima dona (kaep cough cough) would it ruin your day? If there is something to this and ADB's comments are pointed at RW, does it bother you more about Russ not being who he projects himself to be or the possibility of lack of unity on field?
    I'm thinking ADB should be professional and NOT make his feelings public for the sake of the team, and deal with any issues behind closed doors. I have co-workers I don't care for but I don't write it on the chalkboard for all to see.
    If RW portrays himself to be something he's not for the sake of his "brand" , I don't have a problem with it. He certainly could be portraying himself to be somebody alot worse than he does.
    Of course none of this could be true and something or somebody else just got under ADB's skin...surprise surprise.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:45 am
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:47 am
  • Weird. RW's camp interactions with the kids were awesome (uh oh, i've fallen into his brand building trap).
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:50 am
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:54 am
  • This goes along with what I believe David hsu on twitter was posting where a buddy of his helped with RW camp and said Russ is robotic and all business, and didn't seem like he was happy at the kids camp..

    But then goes on to say he did take pictures and sign autos for all the kids.

    I just think Russ is getting burnt out honestly and that is starting to be seen by others, including going through divorce etc..

    Dude just needs to take a break.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:04 am
  • Seahawks4life wrote:
    Dude just needs to take a break.


    I agree.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:07 am
  • I wish this thread was in the shack
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:07 am
  • Seahawks4life wrote:This goes along with what I believe David hsu on twitter was posting where a buddy of his helped with RW camp and said Russ is robotic and all business, and didn't seem like he was happy at the kids camp..

    But then goes on to say he did take pictures and sign autos for all the kids.

    I just think Russ is getting burnt out honestly and that is starting to be seen by others, including going through divorce etc..

    Dude just needs to take a break.

    Agreed 100%.
    The guy posts christian bible stuff on his twitter for ****sakes. He may be a tad weird, but he's not insincere. Its like you said. From the extremely small amount of Russ' life that I can glean, I can picture him getting burned out with his constant idealist and optimist personality.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:18 am
  • Throwdown wrote:I wish this thread was in the shack


    Move it then.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:37 am
  • Please let TC and football begin...it cannot come fast enough (TWSS)
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:42 am
  • Barthawk wrote:Please let TC and football begin...it cannot come fast enough (TWSS)


    :13: and please let twitter die!!
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:43 am
  • I think the people who think this has anything to do with wilson are reading way too much into it, while at the same time insulting Baldwin and Wilson by implying Doug would be dumb enough to vent about his QB on twitter (a guy who is always doing charity work) and that Wilson is a fraud (a fraud who spends all of his time helping kids, visiting sick kids, and trying to be the best QB in history?).

    I read this more as doug saying that on a personal level he's going to be himself.

    This is america these days though -you can't be honest about yourself and speak your mind without everyone assuming you have ulterior motives or are trying to tear someone else down. The only thing that implies another party is saying 'some fake humility' which is a pretty broad generalization.

    Where is everyone getting this idea that Dough doesn't like Russ? And since when is the Seahawks locker room a bad episode of "Friends"?
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:43 am
  • maybe Russell Wilson is the anti-christ

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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:47 am
  • I know this is just adding to the noise, but here's my take on this:

    ADB is referencing Russell Wilson, but not in the immediate obvious way. See, Russell has his brand, and since Russell's brand is successful, there may be significant pressure from advertisers and agents to get Baldwin on the same route. Up his credibility and his notoriety, as it were. So, the problem may be that doing what Wilson does would make Baldwin fell insincere and used. Especially since there are plenty of people out there who have used this robotic and fake route before. (Tiger Woods comes to mind.) He is who he wants to be, and I can see him being offended by suggestions he ought to do otherwise.

    Maybe that's stretching a little bit, but I do think it fits the facts fairly well, too. (Why ADB doesn't just say this, though...)
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:49 am
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    Seahawks4life wrote:This goes along with what I believe David hsu on twitter was posting where a buddy of his helped with RW camp and said Russ is robotic and all business, and didn't seem like he was happy at the kids camp..

    But then goes on to say he did take pictures and sign autos for all the kids.

    I just think Russ is getting burnt out honestly and that is starting to be seen by others, including going through divorce etc..

    Dude just needs to take a break.

    Agreed 100%.
    The guy posts christian bible stuff on his twitter for ****sakes. He may be a tad weird, but he's not insincere. Its like you said. From the extremely small amount of Russ' life that I can glean, I can picture him getting burned out with his constant idealist and optimist personality.
    Doug is getting WAAAY too cute here.

    Personally, I think Doug outta walk in Wilson's shoes before he goes about - publicly no less - casting stones. The guys wife cheated on him with one of the WR's. Not some dude she met somewhere else, on of his coworkers. And not any coworker, one he works with closely.

    And now Doug Baldwin is going to say he's not sincere, that it's "sinister" that he's going through the motions, that he's marketing his brand? Who on earth wouldn't be numb inside right now? Who on earth wouldn't be going through the motions? sincerity? He's out there with the kids signing every autograph and just because he's not enjoying it he's sinister? When ADB has walked in Wilson's shoes he can talk about being empty inside and being robotic to the public.

    Until then, he's just being a punk ass.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:50 am
  • I love Doug Baldwin, and I think he's a smart dude, but he should be smart enough to recognize the fact that Twitter and its 140 character limit is a terrible place to try and give statements on life...even through multiple Tweets.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:54 am
  • So apparently this has been confirmed as Doug Baldwin calling out Russell Wilson on twitter a week before training camp for being a fraud, then?
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:02 am
  • Hawknballs wrote:So apparently this has been confirmed as Doug Baldwin calling out Russell Wilson on twitter a week before training camp for being a fraud, then?


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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:04 am
  • I think we're reaching here...

    You could literally put any athlete with a sponsor into those quotes. Obviously if you put RW into them it makes sense, but you could do the same with a lot of athletes.

    Here's an example, throw Lebron james in there. Or Marshawn Lynch. They both are sponsored/endorsed, are robotic in what they do on the field/court, and work with kids.


    I'm not saying it isn't RW, but it could literally be anyone. So let's not say it's RW till Doug says it is.
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Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:10 am
  • Throwdown wrote:
    Hawknballs wrote:So apparently this has been confirmed as Doug Baldwin calling out Russell Wilson on twitter a week before training camp for being a fraud, then?


    Where



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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:10 am
  • BigMeach wrote:

    I'm not saying it isn't RW, but it could literally be anyone. So let's not say it's RW till Doug says it is.


    It could also be no one in particular and doug is just venting on his perception of the whole thing in general, too.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:13 am
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:I love Doug Baldwin, and I think he's a smart dude, but he should be smart enough to recognize the fact that Twitter and its 140 character limit is a terrible place to try and give statements on life...even through multiple Tweets.


    Athletes are no different than all of our idiot friends and relatives who "vague post" on Facebook 24/7, then wait for the attention they crave to pour in.

    I love Baldwin as a player, but as a human being he seems to be a very needy attention whore who thrives on conflict and being disrespected. I don't think he can go a week without being offended by someone or something.
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:15 am
  • Doug & Russ seem to get along fine on videos (Real Rob, Fresh Files...) that i've seen, but the tweets do make you wonder...

    I don't know if it's a shot at RW or not, but it certainly can be taken as one and for that reason alone Doug should clear it up if it wasn't. If it was a shot at RW it is inappropriate to go after your teammate for all the world to see and someone within the org. needs to speak to Doug about it. He's smart ( at least he says he is ) and he knows how this social media thing works.

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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:16 am
  • Russell Wilson has been running his football camp for kids since he was in high school. That's an awfully long time to "fake" it for a "brand."
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Re: Problem between Russell and Doug??
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:23 am
  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:The offseason is lame.

    Yup. So is social media along with it.
    Geez you guys sound like a bunch of gossiping girls.
    Oh, and that rumor about Golden and Ashton. lol. Before that it was John Legend.
    Seriously.
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