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    Oh, and he has five games left to throw nine touchdowns for the rookie record. And five left to throw three more to get to that 20 TD plateau.


    I was down on Griffin a couple weeks ago for regressing off his fast start...but it could be tough for Wilson to hold off Griffin (who shot from 8 TDs to 16 in the past two weeks). It could be a case where both these guys tie/break the record.


    And doesn't Griffin have a grip of rushing touchdowns? He or Martin should be ROY. I think Luck is probably #4 at this point, behind Russell. Great year for rookie production.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!


    Honestly, who gives a flying f-word whether those fans get a little over excited? Or if they celebrate his great year by comparing him favourably (and not unfairly) to previous seasons by one of the best and most successful quarterbacks in Seahawks history? If you're going to get bent out of shape about that, why are you even a Seahawks fan?

    Fancy that - a god-like admiration for the teams starting quarterback. Whatever next? A keen interest in the fortunes of the teams running back? An over-exuberant celebration during Golden Tate's latest touchdown? Shocking behaviour for a fan.

    But at least you've taken the time to reassure us you 'like' Wilson and 'root for whomever plays' for the Seahawks. What a relief! There was me wondering if you were even willing to take such a giant leap of faith. Kudos for that.

    Russell Wilson is having a terrific first season as the Seahawks starting quarterback and nobody should be trying to put a lid on that. It's OK to be excited about this team. And the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!


    Honestly, who gives a flying f-word whether those fans get a little over excited? Or if they celebrate his great year by comparing him favourably (and not unfairly) to previous seasons by one of the best and most successful quarterbacks in Seahawks history? If you're going to get bent out of shape about that, why are you even a Seahawks fan?

    Fancy that - a god-like admiration for the teams starting quarterback. Whatever next? A keen interest in the fortunes of the teams running back? An over-exuberant celebration during Golden Tate's latest touchdown? Shocking behaviour for a fan.

    But at least you've taken the time to reassure us you 'like' Wilson and 'root for whomever plays' for the Seahawks. What a relief! There was me wondering if you were even willing to take such a giant leap of faith. Kudos for that.

    Russell Wilson is having a terrific first season as the Seahawks starting quarterback and nobody should be trying to put a lid on that. It's OK to be excited about this team. And the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.


    Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?
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  • LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?


    No, I'm an atheist and dislike the scent of incense.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?


    I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?
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  • My first post here. I wear my Hasselbeck Jersy every gameday. What our team lacks is age old. Defenseive backs getting burned or commiting fouls, what is there "mission statement" anyway? And little protection from the O line! I see it every week. Wilson is good. Offensive line is bad. Also affecting the ability to run when Lynch get hit 3 yds deep almost every time.
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  • I knew before I even clicked on this thread what would happen here.

    Someone posts about how good Russell Wilson is doing by comparing his numbers to Hasslebeck's as a point of context

    Somebody takes offense to the comparison that would imply that Wilson is better than Hasslebeck.

    Somebody takes offense to that person taking offense.

    The initial person who took offense has his fanhood questioned.

    Thread devolves into standard back and forth of "He's a rookie and hasn't proven anything yet" to "He reminds me of Joe Montana".

    Good work fellas, medals of valor awarded to both sides.
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  • seahawk2k wrote:I knew before I even clicked on this thread what would happen here.

    Someone posts about how good Russell Wilson is doing by comparing his numbers to Hasslebeck's as a point of context

    Somebody takes offense to the comparison that would imply that Wilson is better than Hasslebeck.

    Somebody takes offense to that person taking offense.

    The initial person who took offense has his fanhood questioned.

    Thread devolves into standard back and forth of "He's a rookie and hasn't proven anything yet" to "He reminds me of Joe Montana".

    Good work fellas, medals of valor awarded to both sides.


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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote: the OP using Hasselbeck's stats to emphasise just how well Wilson is doing this year is a fine way of doing just that.

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  • LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!


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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?


    I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?


    The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead. :141847_bnono:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    In Hass' first season, no one was calling him a HOFer. That's the major difference.


    That probably has to do with the fact that in Hass' first season, his stats and performances were FAR worse than what we're seeing from Wilson right now.

    Yeah, part of that has to do with Wilson having a better team around him, and I agree that people talking HoF for Wilson are out of bounds.

    But it's not far fetched to suggest that based on performances thus far, Wilson stands a very good chance at being our best QB ever.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
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    LymonHawk wrote:Let me guess: You have a little alter in your living room, with a picture of RW on it, and burning candles on both sides...incense too? Am I right?


    I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?


    The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead. :141847_bnono:


    No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

    I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:
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    I have something similar to that. I also have a Marshawn Lynch Fathead on the ceiling above my bed. What of it?


    The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead. :141847_bnono:


    No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

    I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.


    That's because you aren't one of the cool kids. If you were one of the cool kids, you would know that a big part of coolness is not liking anything too much or too little, but just the right amount.
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    LymonHawk wrote:For the Record: I like Wilson. I root for whomever plays for us. But, what I do have a problem with is this god-like adoration some folks on this board obviously have. People already have him in the HOF, and compare him to Farve and Montana. Have you noticed when we win it is all because of RW, but if we lose, it is never his fault? The Teflon Man!!


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    You mean the god-like adoration for a guy who is having one of the greatest rookie campaigns ever for a quarterback? One that compares favorably to every QB who has ever lived including Favre and Montana.

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    LymonHawk wrote:The difference being you have a picture of pehawk on your alter....and please, let's not talk about the stains on the fathead. :141847_bnono:


    No, it's a picture of RW. A big one. Because he's awesome and amazing and funny and handsome and smart and talented and handsome.

    I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.


    That's because you aren't one of the cool kids. If you were one of the cool kids, you would know that a big part of coolness is not liking anything too much or too little, but just the right amount.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?


    Hass had a totally different team with a far superior O-Line, but yeah.
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  • Zebulon Dak wrote:I can't understand why anybody cares how much people like him.


    Yea, I kinda noticed that too :16:
    Trouble is, the kid is so damned easy to root for, :th2thumbs: , been that way everywhere he goes....and now it's those darned Seahawks fans have just latched onto something really positive about the team, and just refuse to let go, hmmm , go figgure :snack:
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:Shaun Alexander scoring from inside the 5 many many times probably did a lot to deflate Hass' TD numbers.


    Or deflated his int's. :lol:
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:Here's another stat: Hass went to the SB with this team. Russell?


    Hass had a totally different team with a far superior O-Line, but yeah.


    This only applies if Hass took the Hawks to the SB in his first season as a starter...well, did he Lymon? :roll:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    StaffAmerica74 wrote:What the hell is wrong with some of these seahawk fans... Today on KJR they had idiots calling up talking about how terrible our qb is and that we need flynn to start if we are going to make the playoffs... then on here saying hes overrated and seahawk fans shouldn't be excited for him. If you want to go apples for apples lymonhawk compare hasselbecks first season starting to russell wilsons first season starting....


    I didn't call KJR; nor have I ever said Flynn should be starting. Nor have I ever said RW is terrible. I dare you to show me a post of mine where I said that! C'mon, show me. Prove it!

    In Hass' first season, no one was calling him a HOFer. That's the major difference.


    'In Hass' first season' he stunk up the place. Maybe that's why, eh?
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  • It is true, Hasselbeck did play like dog crap his first season, and Russ is doing work on these fools in his first.
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  • He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?
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  • Throwdown wrote:It is true, Hasselbeck did play like dog crap his first season, and Russ is doing work on these fools in his first.


    Actually, that was his 4th season. Wilson still has 3 more years to learn and improve before all things are equal. Hasselbeck didn't throw for 20TDs till his 6th NFL season and didn't have over a 90 passer rating till his 8th NFL season.

    THAT is how good Russell Wilson has been. He is going to rewrite every Seahawks passing record. Enjoy the ride.
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  • themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

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    No, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic of his future. However, IMHO, it is wrong to call him a HOFer before the season began.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.


    His next win will be the Seahawks rookie record for wins. Rick Mirer won 6 games as a rookie in 1993. I will be sure to let you know when he breaks that record.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.


    Because football's an individual game and the quarterback is solely reponsible for whether or not the team wins, right?
    Do you know which rookie holds the record for wins in the postseason?
    Mark Sanchez

    That must mean that unless Wilson wins 3 post season games, Sanchez was a better rookie, right? I mean, Sanchez was not only good enough to lead his team to the playoffs, but he then won 2 games while he was there!

    Peyton Manning only won 3 games in his rookie season so there's no way he could be as good as Ryan Leaf who won just as many, but in just 10 games!

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  • themunn wrote:
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    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.


    Because football's an individual game and the quarterback is solely reponsible for whether or not the team wins, right?
    Do you know which rookie holds the record for wins in the postseason?
    Mark Sanchez

    That must mean that unless Wilson wins 3 post season games, Sanchez was a better rookie, right? I mean, Sanchez was not only good enough to lead his team to the playoffs, but he then won 2 games while he was there!

    Peyton Manning only won 3 games in his rookie season so there's no way he could be as good as Ryan Leaf who won just as many, but in just 10 games!

    Get a grip


    I think you just proved the point that 'rookie records' don't mean squat. Thanks. :th2thumbs:
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
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    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.


    His next win will be the Seahawks rookie record for wins. Rick Mirer won 6 games as a rookie in 1993. I will be sure to let you know when he breaks that record.


    So Rick Mirer now holds the 'Hawks record for wins by a rookie...how'd that work out?
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
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    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.


    His next win will be the Seahawks rookie record for wins. Rick Mirer won 6 games as a rookie in 1993. I will be sure to let you know when he breaks that record.


    So Rick Mirer now holds the 'Hawks record for wins by a rookie...how'd that work out?

    Granted, the bar was set rather low. But you asked the question, I answered it.
    I think we both know how Rick Mirer turned out. So clearly, Wilson is going to flop next year. My apologies for ever thinking he might be better than Rick Mirer.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:So Rick Mirer now holds the 'Hawks record for wins by a rookie...how'd that work out?


    Would you prefer Wilson to NOT break rookie records? Your logic and argument does not make sense to me.

    The more records he can break the better. IMHO when its all said and done he will by far be viewed as the greatest Seahawks QB of all time. On the way to doing that why not celebrate his accomplishments? I sure will. :th2thumbs:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.

    No, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic of his future. However, IMHO, it is wrong to call him a HOFer before the season began.


    Roethlisburger had 15 wins as a rookie in 2004. I don't see that broken for a long, long time.

    Of course, he might have had a couple of good players around him on that team. Tougher to do on a rebuilding team. But he's going to break the Seahawks record for rookie wins, and that's something. It's also something he's proving not to be a liability like most rookie quarterbacks, and is instead one of the strong points of the team.

    Some other records he might have a shot at:

    Best touchdown pass–interception differential, rookie season: 14 (20–6) Dan Marino, 1983 - he's at 17-8 currently.
    Highest completion percentage, rookie, season: 66.44, Ben Roethlisberger, 2004 (196/295) - he's at 63.6% currently.
    Highest passer rating, rookie, season: 98.1, Ben Roethlisberger, 2004 - he's at 93.9 currently.
    Most Passing Touchdowns, Rookie, Season 26, Peyton Manning, 1998 - he's at 17 currently.

    I don't think it's blind sycophancy to laud what he's doing here. He's breaking some pretty impressive rookie records, and looking very good doing it. Wouldn't we rather look back at this season fondly, remembering how much we enjoyed the ride, rather than remembering how we stood strong in our doubt and skepticism, holding out, making him really, really prove himself, before we let ourselves enjoy what he's done?

    We're fans, not jury members, folks.
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  • I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.
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  • Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    I don't see that at all. Hass is still one of my favorite Seahawks of all time. Great Seahawk! I am, however, more than happy to be lauding our new quarterback's performance as even better so far. I also want Wilson's eventual replacement to be even better than him. What is possibly wrong with that?
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  • Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    I'm embarrassed that "Matt Hasselbeck haters" is what you took from this discussion.

    Hasselbeck is the best QB we've had, and he's the obvious guy you compare to if you want to judge the player you believe is the next franchise QB. So far, the comparisons are positive. That's not hating on Hasselbeck.
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  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    I don't see that at all. Hass is still one of my favorite Seahawks of all time. Great Seahawk! I am, however, more than happy to be lauding our new quarterback's performance as even better so far. I also want Wilson's eventual replacement to be even better than him. What is possibly wrong with that?

    :13:

    And thanks for the previous post showing potential records he could break.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:I think you just proved the point that 'rookie records' don't mean squat. Thanks. :th2thumbs:


    No, all I've done is prove that it's daft to judge QBs by wins.
    You judge TEAMS by wins. You judge players by their individual performance. And right now Russell Wilson's individual performance is whats showing him as a fantastic player and gives the impression of a possible HoF career.

    Sonny Jurgensen is a Hall of Fame quarterback who lost more games than he won.
    Warren Moon only barely breaks the .500 barrier
    Rex Grossman has a better win percentage than both (and his one superbowl appearance matches that of Jurgensen and is one more than Warren Moon's)

    Is Rex Grossman a better QB because he wins more?
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  • Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    Sooooo, you just read what you want to read and nothing more? That's about all I'm getting out of this.
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.

    No, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic of his future. However, IMHO, it is wrong to call him a HOFer before the season began.



    Your Right Lymon;

    It's TOTALLY RW's fault that A) the defense collapsed against AZ, and B) Edwards drops the winning TD. It was also his fault that Turbin, Tate and other dropped critical passes against SF. It was also his fault that he scored "too quickly" against Detroit and the defense fell apart. Ditto for Miami though RW could have won the game and the play calls didn't work. Sure the Rams game was on him, but on that final pick McCoy falls down. Things happen. That's why it's ludicrious to base the success of a QB strictly on wins.

    It's a team sport people. The QB doesn't win or lose a game more often than not. It's a whole group effort. His efficiency is enough to win games. The offense needs to get better and the defense DEFINATELY needs to improve for this team to be a Super Bowl contender. In 2005 we had extremely good balance on offense and a bend but don't break defense that made timely stops or turnovers.

    I know one thing if RW continues to post 100+ QB ratings we will be winning the majority of our games. QB's playing that well tend to win and win alot. I'm excited for this team and what we have at QB. Last year I was nervious everytime TJack took the field (expecially in the redzone), not knowing what we'd get. This year I'm I have supreme confidence that RW will lead us for the score. It's been a fun ride to watch all the TD passes this year (we haven't seen this kind of production TD's since 2007)
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  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    I'm embarrassed that "Matt Hasselbeck haters" is what you took from this discussion.

    Hasselbeck is the best QB we've had, and he's the obvious guy you compare to if you want to judge the player you believe is the next franchise QB. So far, the comparisons are positive. That's not hating on Hasselbeck.


    Even when you know that Hasselbeck's rookie numbers did nothing in predicting how good or bad he would eventually become?

    To try and elevate RW's status, the OP went to belittle the best QB this franchise ever had. The fact Hass' rookie season was less than stellar is no big secret. It's been posted hundreds of times on this board.

    So why bring it up again? To show that the year's "Hero" is better than Hasselbeck? Yup, no fair weather fans around here! :roll:
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  • LymonHawk wrote:
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    Tical21 wrote:I just don't get it. We're Matt Hasselbeck haters now? Already like Wilson more? Only in Seattle is this discussion even possible. I'm embarrassed to be a Seahawks fan today.


    I'm embarrassed that "Matt Hasselbeck haters" is what you took from this discussion.

    Hasselbeck is the best QB we've had, and he's the obvious guy you compare to if you want to judge the player you believe is the next franchise QB. So far, the comparisons are positive. That's not hating on Hasselbeck.


    Even when you know that Hasselbeck's rookie numbers did nothing in predicting how good or bad he would eventually become?

    To try and elevate RW's status, the OP went to belittle the best QB this franchise ever had. The fact Hass' rookie season was less than stellar is no big secret. It's been posted hundreds of times on this board.

    So why bring it up again? To show that the year's "Hero" is better than Hasselbeck? Yup, no fair weather fans around here! :roll:


    So your saying if RW exceeds 20 TD's this season that isn't noteworthy? When you factor in the greatest QB this team has had only accomplished that feat 4 seasons out of 14? The whole point of this thread is to put RW's accomplishments into context. That is all, we all love and respect Hasslebeck, he was tremendous. What RW is doing is also tremendous. Should that not be highlighted?
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  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    LymonHawk wrote:
    themunn wrote:He's set 2 rookie records and is on pace to break 2 more (though RGIII might do better overall, since he has the luxury of two more games against the Eagles and Cowboys, whereas Russ has to play 3 of the top 6 passing defenses).

    He's also on course to set the franchise record for passer rating.

    Is it wrong to be optimistic of his future?


    Please let me know when breaks the rookie record for wins.

    Thank you.

    No, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic of his future. However, IMHO, it is wrong to call him a HOFer before the season began.


    Roethlisburger had 15 wins as a rookie in 2004. I don't see that broken for a long, long time.

    Of course, he might have had a couple of good players around him on that team. Tougher to do on a rebuilding team. But he's going to break the Seahawks record for rookie wins, and that's something. It's also something he's proving not to be a liability like most rookie quarterbacks, and is instead one of the strong points of the team.

    Some other records he might have a shot at:

    Best touchdown pass–interception differential, rookie season: 14 (20–6) Dan Marino, 1983 - he's at 17-8 currently.
    Highest completion percentage, rookie, season: 66.44, Ben Roethlisberger, 2004 (196/295) - he's at 63.6% currently.
    Highest passer rating, rookie, season: 98.1, Ben Roethlisberger, 2004 - he's at 93.9 currently.
    Most Passing Touchdowns, Rookie, Season 26, Peyton Manning, 1998 - he's at 17 currently.

    I don't think it's blind sycophancy to laud what he's doing here. He's breaking some pretty impressive rookie records, and looking very good doing it. Wouldn't we rather look back at this season fondly, remembering how much we enjoyed the ride, rather than remembering how we stood strong in our doubt and skepticism, holding out, making him really, really prove himself, before we let ourselves enjoy what he's done?

    We're fans, not jury members, folks.


    It's not blind sycophancy to call him a HOFer before he's even played a game? Sorry Jase, we'll have to disagree on this one.
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  • Who seriously called him a Hall of Famer?
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  • Not calling Wilson a HoF'er at all. I'm simply enjoying the great, record-breaking rookie season he's having, and am hoping for more of what I'm seeing. These are the good parts of being a Seahawks fan, and yet we continue being prosecuting lawyers, trying to find that one hole, that one fault, that will justify our previous skepticism.

    He's having one of the better rookie campaigns in recent history. I'm simply ensuring that when I look back on this season, I can say, "yea, I remember when he broke that record, and I loved every minute of it!"

    I'd rather be rah-rah about the good stuff than nitpick problems I can't even begin to help fix.
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  • BTW: Y'all realize that Tarvaris had better stats as Seahawk rookie than Hasselbeck did as a Seahawk rookie...and what did that prove?
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  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:Not calling Wilson a HoF'er at all. I'm simply enjoying the great, record-breaking rookie season he's having, and am hoping for more of what I'm seeing. These are the good parts of being a Seahawks fan, and yet we continue being prosecuting lawyers, trying to find that one hole, that one fault, that will justify our previous skepticism.

    He's having one of the better rookie campaigns in recent history. I'm simply ensuring that when I look back on this season, I can say, "yea, I remember when he broke that record, and I loved every minute of it!"

    I'd rather be rah-rah about the good stuff than nitpick problems I can't even begin to help fix.


    Who's nit picking? Cherry picking records isn't nit picking? OK?
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  • T-Sizzle wrote:He is going to rewrite every Seahawks passing record. Enjoy the ride.


    I hope you're right.. I really do. But he's played 11 freaking games. This is what Lymon is saying. This is what I've been saying for weeks. Feel free to be excited about the guy, I think he's playing well, but statements like this are just premature.

    You know who else had a great rookie year? Sam Bradford. Cam Newton. They may still turn it around and have great careers.. but that just goes to show you how quickly things can change.

    There's a distinct difference between being excited and between being outlandish and over the top with your statements. You're more of the latter.
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