Lynch vs. Alexander

The Essential Online Seahawks Fan Forum Community. There simply is NO substitute. RATING: PG-13

Better Running Back

Shaun Alexnader
49
24%
Marsahwn Lynch
153
76%
 
Total votes : 202

Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:40 am
  • good point. but was the question who would be the best runner behind each others line, or who was/is the best running back in their prime.. i say alexander had a larger skill set and an all around better runner... i think barry sanders is the greatest back of all times, but emmett smith has the record.. put barry behind emmett's line, that record would have been shattered, beyond belief...
    World Champs - Sounds good don't it
    User avatar
    hawker84
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3879
    Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:22 pm
    Location: Tri Cities, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:53 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Hawkfan77 wrote:Why does it seem that most people voting in this poll are newer fans who came along during the SB run and remember SA during his years of decline?

    I take Alexander hands down. I love BeastMode, but come on, this is SA by a mile. The guy won an MVP award! And for everyone talking about the line and how anyone could put up his numbers with that OL just stop. I'm not arguing that we didn't have a stud OL and the best in team history, but SA did what he did for years straight, it wasn't just his record breaking year.

    I've honestly never seen a RB with SA's ability to get into the endzone, he was a special player for sure. And yes he actually did run hard. For those of us that watched him for his entire career, his "soft playing style" has been greatly over exaggerated. Did he seek out contact anywhere close to the level of Lynch? No, well he did if it meant scoring 6 points and I think that's why he gets a bad rap in Seattle. Only in this city will a player of close to HOF stature get bagged on by fans because of their "style of play."

    Love them both and like Kearly said, they are two completely different runners, but it's SA>BM


    Alexander was a talented runner, but I'd take Lynch seven days a week over Alexander. SA was a product of one of the best offensive lines in football for a good 5-6 years, with two potential HOF lineman (Jones/Hutch).

    The barometer is easy, how would each runner fare with the other's offense? Lynch would run for 2,000 yards every year with the line SA ran behind. If SA had to run behind this line? He'd be lucky to crack 1,000 yards, because Alexander didn't run through contact, he avoided it.


    I totally agree with this, and think ML would have had monster years behind SA's OL. While Lynch doesn't have the all out speed SA did, he doesn't go down easy when getting to the second level (not that SA in his prime went down easy). Beastquake is an awesome example of what the guy can do when the tacklers are not D linemen and LBs, and he isn't exactly slow.

    I guess it also comes down to what type of team you like to watch. I like me some smash mouth football, and for that kind of ball there is no way that SA can match ML. Maybe my memory has faded, but I never, ever, remember seeing SA break a tackle in the backfield. Ever. IIRC, SA would go down when hit in the backfield (as seldom as that was), he would avoid hits when running to the sideline, and I never remember him hurting people. Lynch does all of those things every single game. No question in my mind here (even if SA would get more yards and TDs -not saying he would but even if one assumed he would) because our team would not be the same.

    Edit: I just read in the Seattle Times that Lynch is on pace for the 3rd best season for any Seahawk running back. Kind of interesting.
    Last edited by sam1313 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
    "I want to drink Ranier Beer out of a mug made from Jim harbaugh's hollowed out skull." CANHAWK
    User avatar
    sam1313
    *TOP 5 SUPPORTER*
    *TOP 5 SUPPORTER*
     
    Posts: 1767
    Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:56 pm
    Location: Las Vegas, Nevada


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:58 am
  • scutterhawk wrote:Lynch with Mack Truck, er I mean Mack Strong.

    Truth is tho, Shaun ran a lot on the Right side with success, Hutch & Jones weren't always in the play.
    Lynch just refuses to let anyone take him down with a high tackle/ Alexander has a 5 TD record in 1/2 game, and 1,880 yard Season, so this isn't an easy choice if we're being honest here.


    Shaun Alexander was 5 yards down the field on every run before he got hit. Could you imagine what Marshawn could do with an offensive line that did that for him? Lynch is my pick and I don't think the choice is difficult at all.
    rideaducati
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1570
    Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:18 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:07 am
  • yes alexander had a great o line.. but he still had to make the plays.. lynch is a good running back too.. but he doesn't put up even close to the numbers alexander did.. i love both of them but they are completely different runners.

    for you guys that are saying its not even close.. lynch all day.. i'd first ask how old you are and how much you actually watched alexander the great play.. then i'd say go watch some youtube highlights.. it aint the o line choosing what hole to run through or gliding by guys like they are standing still or juking in the open field.. dont be confused by alexanders ailments late in his career and the fallout from the beginning of our o line woes.. he is an alltime great with borderline HOF numbers.

    to pick one or the other is silly because this run game was designed for lynch so lynch performs better in it.. i guarantee if you put lynch behind alexander's line the great still comes out ahead simply because of his vision and the way he could cut once and be gone.
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:14 am
  • redhawk253 wrote:yes alexander had a great o line.. but he still had to make the plays.. lynch is a good running back too.. but he doesn't put up even close to the numbers alexander did.. i love both of them but they are completely different runners.

    for you guys that are saying its not even close.. lynch all day.. i'd first ask how old you are and how much you actually watched alexander the great play.. then i'd say go watch some youtube highlights.. it aint the o line choosing what hole to run through or gliding by guys like they are standing still or juking in the open field.. dont be confused by alexanders ailments late in his career and the fallout from the beginning of our o line woes.. he is an alltime great with borderline HOF numbers.

    to pick one or the other is silly because this run game was designed for lynch so lynch performs better in it.. i guarantee if you put lynch behind alexander's line the great still comes out ahead simply because of his vision and the way he could cut once and be gone.


    I disagree, I'm 42, and I've been a fan since I was six. But, more importantly, I just like ML's style of play better. Hated it every time SA ran out of bounds to avoid contact, and he did that a LOT his entire career.
    "I want to drink Ranier Beer out of a mug made from Jim harbaugh's hollowed out skull." CANHAWK
    User avatar
    sam1313
    *TOP 5 SUPPORTER*
    *TOP 5 SUPPORTER*
     
    Posts: 1767
    Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:56 pm
    Location: Las Vegas, Nevada


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:20 am
  • redhawk253 wrote:yes alexander had a great o line.. but he still had to make the plays.. lynch is a good running back too.. but he doesn't put up even close to the numbers alexander did.. i love both of them but they are completely different runners.

    for you guys that are saying its not even close.. lynch all day.. i'd first ask how old you are and how much you actually watched alexander the great play.. then i'd say go watch some youtube highlights.. it aint the o line choosing what hole to run through or gliding by guys like they are standing still or juking in the open field.. dont be confused by alexanders ailments late in his career and the fallout from the beginning of our o line woes.. he is an alltime great with borderline HOF numbers.

    to pick one or the other is silly because this run game was designed for lynch so lynch performs better in it.. i guarantee if you put lynch behind alexander's line the great still comes out ahead simply because of his vision and the way he could cut once and be gone.


    I've watched the Hawks from day #1. I said that SA was a great runner, but this comes down to running style........and I love the way Lynch runs as if his very life depended on him getting one more yard. Lynch has single handedly raised the level of toughness and play of his entire offensive unit. Infectious to the bone. THAT is "better" to me.

    I also take exception to "better all around back." Alexander didn't exactly have amazing hands, and he was a terrible blocker...........and by the time Lynch's career is over he's going to equal SA's yards and TD's.

    That's the problem with comparing athletes when one is retired and one is still in his prime, you don't have two equally comparable bodies of work. But I'm confident in saying that by the time Lynch's career is over, he will be the "better" back.
    If there is no Seahawk football in heaven, then we will never die.
    User avatar
    Sgt. Largent
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2748
    Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:10 am


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:20 am
  • The Radish wrote:They are such totally different runners its hard to compare.

    With the line we had in 05 I'm taking Alexander cause he was the more elusive guy. Like many of the great ones he could get through little cracks and be gone. He also had more straight line speed than Lynch. A bit like Sayers he had a couple of extra gears that if you let him get going in a straight line it was very hard to run him down. He was clear into NFL ball before anyone taught him to breath while running. Up to then he had held his breath on breakaways. After that he was rarely caught from behind once he hit his stride.

    With a so-so line we have now a back like Lynch is the best choice by a bus length. I would love to see a dominating O line for Lynch but I think that is still at least 2 years away.

    Seahawks fans can truly appreciate a line with all the same players. A couple of times we had that. Most of the Watters years. But of course lines like the ones with Walter, Toebeck, Hutchinson, all in their prime are dream ones that any team would take anytime. I believe that lineup for about 3 years was as good as the O lines of the the Packers in the Paul Horung glory days and for me that's really saying something. Even the 85 Bears couldn't match them.

    Think I'm kidding? Take a look at records of most points scored in single games and you will be amazed to see the Golden Boy still holds a bunch of records. And that's from the late 50s and 60s. You'd think with the bigger faster kids of today those records would be blown away.

    :les:



    Sweet.

    I have to take Lynch because he's the type of back I want on my team. Ricky Watters was like that to an extent although they were different types of backs. Here's the question:

    1. Could Lynch flourish with the 2005 line?
    2. Could Alexander flourish with our present line?

    Theres your answer.
    User avatar
    morgulon1
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3486
    Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 10:07 am
    Location: Spokane, Wa


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:20 am
  • Considering the numbers that Shaun got out of what was a short productive period in his career, he's one of the best. This is a big argument of what ifs, something we're used to as Seahawks fans. I voted for SA in the poll because I've seen him set records and go to a Super Bowl.

    I cannot emphasize enough how badly I want Lynch to change my mind.

    Also, on an unrelated note, did you guys know that there isn't a single HD Shaun Alexander highlight video on youtube? Every video I was able to find looks like it was filmed with a cell phone camera circa when SA was playing good ball.
    Image
    User avatar
    ParisPC07
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 453
    Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:14 pm
    Location: Mountain Home, Idaho


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:21 am
  • Lynch is all about a consistency. He will get a few positive yards almost every time he touches the ball. Problem I see with Lynch is, he rarely runs more than 10 yards. How many times have we all watched there be a HUGE hole opened up and Lynch runs for 5 yards and looks for someone to hit?

    I think there is some validation to the statement that Alexander's legacy got tainted by the down years and super bowl loss. It seems some people exaggerate a little about how good Tobeck, Gray, and Locklear were. Jones and Hutch are hall of famers but the other three weren't exactly world beaters (in particular I remember being pissed at old man Gray a couple times). It's easy to look back to the time we went to our super bowl and look at things in a different light than they actually were. I would be very curious to see if someone could compare Tobeck, Gray, and Locklear vs Unger, Moffitt, and Breno. I don't have anything in front of me but I would suspect that it's a bit closer than some think.

    With all that said, gotta say Alexander. We can talk all day about what Lynch would've done with his line and what not but Lynch doesn't have Alexander's line and never will. Alexander fit well with what his offense did just like Lynch fits what our offense does. You can't do a fair comparison by throwing in the "yeah but if this happened". What did happen is Alexander had an incredible couple of years capped by one the best seasons by a RB in league history. No where in the record books does it say Touchdowns in a season #2 The Seattle Seahawks offensive line.
    User avatar
    amill87
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1331
    Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:35 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 am
  • Like how it has gotten to the point of people picking Lynch as I did. That people start questioning how long we have been fans or been watching. I have been a diehard seahawks fan since memory and used to go to every training camp before joining the military. I have watched every game possible since the thought of seahawks was in my brain. I like Lynch because of his brutal running style. He is a lot faster than people think and i think he would surprise you compared to Alexander. I think Lynch is just as fast if not a little faster and more explosive. Detroit game anyone? As some people have said Lynch turns losses to no gains and 2 or 3 yard runs into 6 or 7 yard runs. Now seriously how can you say that Okung, whoever is in at LG, Unger, whoever is RG, is better than HOF Jones, HOF Hutchinson, Tobeck, Chris Gray? I am sorry but i laughed when i saw that. Our line doesn't have the chemistry those guys have yet and they aren't exactly dominating the LOS play in and play out. Lastly have a guy who played with Alexander say Lynch would have had 2000 yards behind us? Shouldn't that tell you something who they think is better and would have hit more home runs? I said it from the first game i saw lynch play against the Bears i said to my family and friends this is the best RB i have ever seen play for us. So it makes me happy that this topic is actually coming to light. Lynch deserves this type talk because of what he brings to the field game in and game out.
    Kelly.Orr
    NET Starter
     
    Posts: 324
    Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:37 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:33 am
  • redhawk253 wrote:yes alexander had a great o line.. but he still had to make the plays.. lynch is a good running back too.. but he doesn't put up even close to the numbers alexander did.. i love both of them but they are completely different runners.

    for you guys that are saying its not even close.. lynch all day.. i'd first ask how old you are and how much you actually watched alexander the great play.. then i'd say go watch some youtube highlights.. it aint the o line choosing what hole to run through or gliding by guys like they are standing still or juking in the open field.. dont be confused by alexanders ailments late in his career and the fallout from the beginning of our o line woes.. he is an alltime great with borderline HOF numbers.

    to pick one or the other is silly because this run game was designed for lynch so lynch performs better in it.. i guarantee if you put lynch behind alexander's line the great still comes out ahead simply because of his vision and the way he could cut once and be gone.


    I watched every run both running backs ever made with the Seahawks. Alexander was infuriating at times when he would just fall down or run out of bounds to avoid contact. Alexander left A LOT of yards on the field by doing so. I saw many weak arm tackles bring Alexander down between the 20's and rarely see them bring Lynch down. Alexander only stepped it up and got tough when a score was to be had. Alexander seemed to be a "me" guy. Alexander seemed more concerned with self preservation than he was winning. Lynch at times does too much. Sometimes, I wish I could combine the two and make the best running back in the history of the NFL.

    Don't get me wrong, I loved what Alexander did. I just think he could have been a WHOLE LOT better. I don't think Alexander gave his all.
    rideaducati
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1570
    Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:18 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:50 am
  • To me it comes down to how they play in the playoffs. SA disappeared in the SB in 05 and Lynch earthquaked us to a victory in 2010. So for that I take Marshawn by a little baby stiff-arm
    User avatar
    Navyhawkfan187
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 605
    Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:48 am


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:07 am
  • bmorepunk wrote:Curt Warner in 1983 or 1986.

    :13: Vision as good as Alexander and ran harder than Shaun though obviously not as hard as Beast. But of course Curt was way more elusive than Marshawn. Between the 2 in the poll, Lynch because I want that huge amount of heart he has. SA didn't have half the heart Beast has.
    From the white sands
    To the canyon lands
    To the redwood stands
    To the barren lands

    Image
    User avatar
    hawksfansinceday1
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10756
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:38 am
    Location: Vancouver, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:28 am
  • What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.
    "Go for Broke" - 442nd Japanese-American Battalion

    Shaun Alexander #37 for the HoF - 119 Games 2176 Att 9429 Yards 4.3 YPC 100 TDs (112 TDs total) 2005 MVP

    "YOU POST...TO WIN...thethread." JesterHawk
    User avatar
    sammyc521
    *GOLD SUPPORTER*
    *GOLD SUPPORTER*
     
    Posts: 4192
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:42 pm
    Location: Pacific Ocean


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:38 am
  • sammyc521 wrote:What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.


    Lynch doesn't produce? #2 this year, and only behind arguable the greatest RB in history who is playing out of his mind.

    Lynch is also only 4,000 yards behind Alexander for career yards. At age 26 he should easily surpass that number.

    Let me ask the Alexander supporters one question..........if your life depended on one of these backs getting one yard, who would you choose?
    If there is no Seahawk football in heaven, then we will never die.
    User avatar
    Sgt. Largent
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2748
    Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:10 am


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:38 am
  • SA just slipped by people, super slick for being as big a back as he was. He had a very rare skill set and made it look easy. I think that strength is probably what makes him so under appreciated now.

    He made it look so easy it often times looked like he was doing nothing special at all. It's a shame really.
    Last edited by SacHawk2.0 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
    poop
    User avatar
    SacHawk2.0
    .NOT a Moderator
     
    Posts: 9649
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 pm
    Location: With a white girl


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:39 am
  • Alexander folded and fell down if a 190 lb cornerback was near him when he couldve put his helmet in the little dudes chest and picked up another 5 yards. Hey I know a back who does that. Ricky Watters did that too. Remember when Alexander lost the rushing title by like 2 yards and then threw Holmgren under the bus? He over the course of the season probably gave up 100 yards by being a pussy and falling to his knees behind the line of scrimmage if he didnt see a clear running lane.
    User avatar
    morgulon1
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3486
    Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 10:07 am
    Location: Spokane, Wa


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:50 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    sammyc521 wrote:What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.


    Lynch doesn't produce? #2 this year, and only behind arguable the greatest RB in history who is playing out of his mind.

    Lynch is also only 4,000 yards behind Alexander for career yards. At age 26 he should easily surpass that number.

    Let me ask the Alexander supporters one question..........if your life depended on one of these backs getting one yard, who would you choose?



    Curt was awesome. There is a lot of younger fans that have no idea how good Warner was. Also, he was a great receiver. I like Lynch a lot, thought Alexander was good too, but Warner was simply amazing. But I think our best back is yet to achieve the spotlight.
    Image
    User avatar
    madbohem
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 167
    Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:37 am


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    sammyc521 wrote:What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.


    Lynch doesn't produce? #2 this year, and only behind arguable the greatest RB in history who is playing out of his mind.

    Lynch is also only 4,000 yards behind Alexander for career yards. At age 26 he should easily surpass that number.

    Let me ask the Alexander supporters one question..........if your life depended on one of these backs getting one yard, who would you choose?


    My fullback
    4/27/13 - I was there #humblethug
    "He looked like a bad man," Sherman said, "and I knew we were alright."
    User avatar
    TheRealDTM
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 849
    Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:26 pm
    Location: Bellingham, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:09 pm
  • morgulon1 wrote:Alexander folded and fell down if a 190 lb cornerback was near him when he couldve put his helmet in the little dudes chest and picked up another 5 yards. Hey I know a back who does that. Ricky Watters did that too. Remember when Alexander lost the rushing title by like 2 yards and then threw Holmgren under the bus? He over the course of the season probably gave up 100 yards by being a pussy and falling to his knees behind the line of scrimmage if he didnt see a clear running lane.


    This is only correct for that last year and he was playing injured. Even then he gutted out a 40 carry 200 performance.
    poop
    User avatar
    SacHawk2.0
    .NOT a Moderator
     
    Posts: 9649
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 pm
    Location: With a white girl


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:16 pm
  • posted somethin else but startin a new thread on it..

    anyway you look at it we've been lucky to have 2 great and entertaining rbs in seattle in the past 10 years and i cant honestly compare either because they are as far apart on opposite ends of the spectrum as you could get for guys playing the same position.. its like comparing a guy like calvin johnson to jerry rice.
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:29 pm
  • Alexander never ran hard and physical, would not run the hole designed many times to the frusteration of Holmgren and the line had to figure out where he was going. This is not my opinion it was stated several times by interviews at the time. Only time Alexander manned up was inside the 20. Alexander left a lot of yards on the feild every week, I'm not saying he had to bull through a fence of defenders either, many times he would duck and curl or give it up with just a linebacker and DB to bust through.

    Lynch behind that line would have looked like Earl Campbell or John Riggins in their prime and in Houston and Washington. They like Lynch once moving and up to speed would look like a bowling ball plowing thru pins on their runs. Lynch would have had 3 to 5 yards most times to get momentum and it would have been devastating for teams, Add the blocking of Strong as well and our WR's that blocked down field as well.

    Watters and Lynch are comparable I think. more closer compliment to each others styles.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Used to be an Alumni till they pulled a USC on me...
    .Net official Clueless, Dumbass, Douche, Simpleton, CensoredTard , Idiot, member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 9730
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:32 pm
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    sammyc521 wrote:What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.


    Lynch doesn't produce? #2 this year, and only behind arguable the greatest RB in history who is playing out of his mind.

    Lynch is also only 4,000 yards behind Alexander for career yards. At age 26 he should easily surpass that number.

    Let me ask the Alexander supporters one question..........if your life depended on one of these backs getting one yard, who would you choose?


    "only 4000"
    "easily surpass"

    very few running backs are effective past 28. Steven Jackson and Frank Gore are the only 2 in the league I can think of right now - one would be a first ballot hall of famer if he played for any team other than the Rams, and the other plays behind an even better line than Alexander had.
    themunn
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2325
    Joined: Fri May 18, 2012 4:38 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:38 pm
  • themunn wrote:.......and the other plays behind an even better line than Alexander had.

    Look man, I also think the Whiners o-line is quite good but they are no way better than the Hawks' o-line SA ran behind. Walter Jones is simply one of the greatest football players ever and Hutch is a sure fire first ballot HOFer.
    From the white sands
    To the canyon lands
    To the redwood stands
    To the barren lands

    Image
    User avatar
    hawksfansinceday1
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10756
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:38 am
    Location: Vancouver, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:40 pm
  • i hate it when people say alexander didnt run hard.. its all a matter of perception.. lynch trucks guys.. just blows them up and shakes them off.. alexander was a lot more like a greased pig he just shed tacklers with a slight drop of a shoulder, arch of the back, well timed highstep.. or made a slight cut with his deceptive speed and glided by them..

    to say alexander didn't run hard and always got tackled by single cbs n what not.. go back to the film.. this is simply not true and people are generally basing their opinion off alexander's last year or two with the seahawks where he was oft injured and running behind a line that completely fell apart.

    once again.. comparing alexander and lynch is like comparing jerry rice and calvin johnson... two completely different style players
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:40 pm
  • Interesting debate. The only argument I can't see is the argument that it's a landslide in either direction.

    Shaun made his job look so easy that we often wondered how hard he was trying. As far as natural running skills, there have been few in NFL history as blessed as Shaun Alexander. When he had the ball in his hands, it seemed there was nothing he couldn't do. If he got a glimpse of the end zone, he was gone.

    Even though Lynch makes more jaw-dropping plays, I don't think he has Alexander's vision. However, Lynch seems to be able to do things that no other RB can. We're very fortunate to have one, and very fortunate to have had the other.
    User avatar
    Rat
    * NET Cynic *
     
    Posts: 3512
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:42 pm
    Location: St. Louis, MO


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:41 pm
  • Lynch... for anyone thinking alexander.. remember he only did well if untouched... and if you look at it that way you may as well ask your self. Lynch or Washington.
    leon goes down by air drafts... so.... to me the logical choice with this team is lynch.

    I would take LEON over SHAUN i think in 2005 becuase he is faster than shuan and goes down just as easy.
    I think... someone more intelegent should comment
    --/*Seattle Seahawks*\--
    User avatar
    hawks4thewin
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 693
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:42 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:42 pm
  • themunn wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    sammyc521 wrote:What I'm reading is style vs. production.

    While hypothetical are fun, Alexander produced.

    Lynch's style though is easily something to long for. In their Prime Alexander's production is redonkilous.


    Lynch doesn't produce? #2 this year, and only behind arguable the greatest RB in history who is playing out of his mind.

    Lynch is also only 4,000 yards behind Alexander for career yards. At age 26 he should easily surpass that number.

    Let me ask the Alexander supporters one question..........if your life depended on one of these backs getting one yard, who would you choose?


    "only 4000"
    "easily surpass"

    very few running backs are effective past 28. Steven Jackson and Frank Gore are the only 2 in the league I can think of right now - one would be a first ballot hall of famer if he played for any team other than the Rams, and the other plays behind an even better line than Alexander had.


    That's very true. Four grand is a lot of mileage, especially for a guy who runs like Lynch, and especially for a guy with a finicky back like Lynch.

    As to the original question, I'd take Alexander there too. The guy had an awful lot of 1-yard touchdowns, and an equal number of converted 3rd and 4th and ones. He was absolutely money in short yardage in his peak. We don't see Lynch get the opportunities as often, whether they believe he isn't going to get the yardage, or if he gets the carry, it's not guaranteed he gets it. Not knocking Lynch at all. Dude's a beast. An absolute monster. But Alexander was special in his prime. If it was goal-to-go from the one yard line, we were already celebrating points when the ball was snapped.

    I'd love to see Lynch eclipse everything Alexander did - because I want continual improvement. I want Turbin to eclipse Lynch when it's his turn to start. But for now, they're still behind Alexander in that department.
    World Champion Seattle Seahawks football. It's an addiction, and there is no cure.
    User avatar
    Seahawk Sailor
    * .NET Navy Bad Ass *
     
    Posts: 18154
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:23 am
    Location: The beautiful PNW


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 pm
  • redhawk253 wrote:i hate it when people say alexander didnt run hard.. its all a matter of perception.. lynch trucks guys.. just blows them up and shakes them off.. alexander was a lot more like a greased pig he just shed tacklers with a slight drop of a shoulder, arch of the back, well timed highstep.. or made a slight cut with his deceptive speed and glided by them..

    to say alexander didn't run hard and always got tackled by single cbs n what not.. go back to the film.. this is simply not true and people are generally basing their opinion off alexander's last year or two with the seahawks where he was oft injured and running behind a line that completely fell apart.

    once again.. comparing alexander and lynch is like comparing jerry rice and calvin johnson... two completely different style players


    I would say after 2005 alexander was not trying or he simply never had it.
    he would fall before he got touched... (thats how i remember the post superbowl years anyhow).
    --/*Seattle Seahawks*\--
    User avatar
    hawks4thewin
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 693
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:42 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:45 pm
  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    themunn wrote:.......and the other plays behind an even better line than Alexander had.

    Look man, I also think the Whiners o-line is quite good but they are no way better than the Hawks' o-line SA ran behind. Walter Jones is simply one of the greatest football players ever and Hutch is a sure fire first ballot HOFer.


    Yes, the left hand side of our line was all-world

    Chris Gray and Sean Locklear?
    themunn
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 2325
    Joined: Fri May 18, 2012 4:38 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:53 pm
  • Gray was a warrior, never got national props but if you remember the credits his team gave him constantly you realize he was special as well. Our real hole that whole era was RT.
    Image

    To Be P/C or Not P/C That is the Question..........Seahawks kick Ass !!!!
    Used to be an Alumni till they pulled a USC on me...
    .Net official Clueless, Dumbass, Douche, Simpleton, CensoredTard , Idiot, member of the 38 club.
    User avatar
    chris98251
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 9730
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:52 pm
    Location: Renton Wa.


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:54 pm
  • themunn wrote:
    hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    themunn wrote:.......and the other plays behind an even better line than Alexander had.

    Look man, I also think the Whiners o-line is quite good but they are no way better than the Hawks' o-line SA ran behind. Walter Jones is simply one of the greatest football players ever and Hutch is a sure fire first ballot HOFer.


    Yes, the left hand side of our line was all-world

    Chris Gray and Sean Locklear?

    Gray was a quality starting o-lineman. You don't play like 15 years and not be. Pro Bowl? Nope, but a good NFL guard. Locklear had a couple of pretty good years for Seattle and has also survived quite a while in the NFL though I wouldn't put him at the same level as Gray (and Tobek).
    From the white sands
    To the canyon lands
    To the redwood stands
    To the barren lands

    Image
    User avatar
    hawksfansinceday1
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10756
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:38 am
    Location: Vancouver, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:00 pm
  • hawks4thewin wrote:Lynch... for anyone thinking alexander.. remember he only did well if untouched... and if you look at it that way you may as well ask your self. Lynch or Washington.
    leon goes down by air drafts... so.... to me the logical choice with this team is lynch.

    I would take LEON over SHAUN i think in 2005 becuase he is faster than shuan and goes down just as easy.
    I think... someone more intelegent should comment



    this is by far one of the silliest posts i've ever read on here.. i love leon.. i went to college with him.. he's an exciting and really good player if used right... but to say you'd rather have leon than alexander hahahhahaha thats asenine at best.

    apples and oranges guys.. who's better calvin johnson or jerry rice?

    the one knock on alexander i have is he set himself up for a short career. i met him when i was in highschool. he came to latenight out of the blue at the ymca one friday night with tons of gifts n such his rookie year with the seahawks.

    words right out of his mouth, "i get in trouble because i don't do my lifting routine.. im just naturally blessed god gave me the abilities and physical strength and size you see today. i don't lift. i don't need to."

    if he had hit the weights like he was supposed to his whole career and conditioned better he probably wouldn't have gotten bit so hard by the injury bug at the end of his career.
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:10 pm
  • also whoever said "alexander disappeared in the superbowl while lynch went beastmode in the playoffs vs the saints.."

    silly statement.. 20 carries for 95 yards in the superbowl isn't exactly disappearing.. far from it really.. and he woulda been guaranteed a few td's if not for some of the ridiculous calls.. one for example.. the only play jeremy stevens made the whole game for the big pass to the 1 yard line that was called back for a ghost hold.. guarantee'd alexander woulda got the ball across the goal line.
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:19 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:SA just slipped by people, super slick for bring as big a back as he was. He had a very rare skill set and made it look easy. I think that strength is probably what makes him so under appreciated now.

    He made it look so easy it often times looked like he was doing nothing special at all. It's a shame really.


    This explains it perfectly IMO. Go watch some highlights of Alexander. Yeah he has holes but finding the right hole in a split second isn't as easy as some think. He just glides perfectly to the hole and accelerates through it. Lynch does not have Alexander's near HOF vision or acceleration but he makes up for it with pure determination.

    I've watched Lynch miss hitting the right hole quite often this year. He still gets some yards but he could get more. Also next time Turbin comes in a game, watch how much more acceleration he has than Lynch. Don't get me wrong, Lynch is awesome and a good running back but he doesn't have HOF abilities like Alexander did.
    User avatar
    amill87
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1331
    Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:35 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:35 pm
  • amill87 wrote:
    SacHawk2.0 wrote:SA just slipped by people, super slick for bring as big a back as he was. He had a very rare skill set and made it look easy. I think that strength is probably what makes him so under appreciated now.

    He made it look so easy it often times looked like he was doing nothing special at all. It's a shame really.


    This explains it perfectly IMO. Go watch some highlights of Alexander. Yeah he has holes but finding the right hole in a split second isn't as easy as some think. He just glides perfectly to the hole and accelerates through it. Lynch does not have Alexander's near HOF vision or acceleration but he makes up for it with pure determination.

    I've watched Lynch miss hitting the right hole quite often this year. He still gets some yards but he could get more. Also next time Turbin comes in a game, watch how much more acceleration he has than Lynch. Don't get me wrong, Lynch is awesome and a good running back but he doesn't have HOF abilities like Alexander did.


    Thanks for the compliment. I think Lynch COULD have more initial burst but he runs so bow legged he's practically breaking tackles before they come. You don't really see his burst until he sees daylight.
    poop
    User avatar
    SacHawk2.0
    .NOT a Moderator
     
    Posts: 9649
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 pm
    Location: With a white girl


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:12 pm
  • The mind set /style of these two backs are about as far apart as it gets. SA was all about self preservation, choosing to live to carry the ball another day. It was oft times less than admirable, but it was a strategy that obviously served him, and the team, quite well.

    Lynch? Marshawn cares little about risk of injury. He is a demon and punishes would-be tacklers, fighting for every yard, even after hitting the wall. In the short term, his style is more exciting and for the most part, preferred. In the long term? There may be no long term. I'm glad he continues to deliver after getting paid and I certainly hope he has invested well.

    Defenses hated both men. I think what pizzed off alot of us with SA, was he was not a small back, yet ran like one. He could be arm tackled and was quick to hit the turf to avoid contact. If he were smaller, like most scat (type) backs, nobody would have thought twice about his methodology. I was never a big fan but I am grateful for his service to this team. I rank him slightly ahead of Lynch, but behind Warner and John L.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
    User avatar
    HawkWow
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5007
    Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
    Location: The 5-0


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:37 pm
  • SonicHawk wrote:I'm happy we have had both and I'm even more glad that we don't have to try and make this decision.

    I'm leaning towards Alexander because he lead us to the SB.

    Lot a people have the "what have ya done for us lately" mentality, and say Lynch, without hesitation, BUT, Alexander had 25 TD's and 1,880 yards, + a huge factor in getting the team into the SB, and I'll add, that he was as responsible as Hasselbeck was for getting us there.
    I love Lynchs tenacity and all, but I'm happy that we had Shaun here when we did, because I really don't know that we could have done as well with just putting in a so so RB.
    scutterhawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3343
    Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:48 pm


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:50 pm
  • We know exactly what another RB could do. Mo Morris had 71 carries for 288 yards (4.1 ave) and 1TD behind that 2005 line. He was about as average as average gets.
    poop
    User avatar
    SacHawk2.0
    .NOT a Moderator
     
    Posts: 9649
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:51 pm
    Location: With a white girl


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:57 pm
  • <=====this guy
    User avatar
    GeorgeKush
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 195
    Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:39 am
    Location: big black hawk


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:15 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:The mind set /style of these two backs are about as far apart as it gets. SA was all about self preservation, choosing to live to carry the ball another day. It was oft times less than admirable, but it was a strategy that obviously served him, and the team, quite well.

    Lynch? Marshawn cares little about risk of injury. He is a demon and punishes would-be tacklers, fighting for every yard, even after hitting the wall. In the short term, his style is more exciting and for the most part, preferred. In the long term? There may be no long term. I'm glad he continues to deliver after getting paid and I certainly hope he has invested well.

    Defenses hated both men. I think what pizzed off alot of us with SA, was he was not a small back, yet ran like one. He could be arm tackled and was quick to hit the turf to avoid contact. If he were smaller, like most scat (type) backs, nobody would have thought twice about his methodology. I was never a big fan but I am grateful for his service to this team. I rank him slightly ahead of Lynch, but behind Warner and John L.


    I respect this well thought out post although I dont agree with all of it. Do you rank SA ahead of Lynch due to total yards or more break away long runs? That I will give to SA. I thought he was an excellent back for about a four or five year stretch IIRC yet his style drove me crazy and the "fall to the ground like a battered wife" mentallity he seemed to run with embarrased me. IT WAS the national perception of the Seattle Seahawks.

    If you go to other fans boards (thank you BlueThunder) youll find that our identity is nasty defense and you guessed it... Beef Moe

    Hey everyone, for those of you that rank SA ahead of #24, I get it. He was as close to a bona fide sports star for Seattle. And it had been a little while. Just trying to have a little discussion. I met SA once and felt kind of underwhelmed. Everyone on TV talked about how big of a back he was. I'm 6'1" 200 lbs and felt like he was half a foot shorter and not that big. He also was kind of a smart ass to a couple of people I was with. I told him to get f*#@d.
    That could also taint my view of him a little bit. He always came of as this "awww shucks" choir boy... I think it's a crock of shit.
    User avatar
    morgulon1
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3486
    Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 10:07 am
    Location: Spokane, Wa


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:23 pm
  • The more I think about it, as good as ML has been, I would likely rate him just a tad higher than Chris Warren. Though ML should distance himself from CW by this time next year. Warren had some off field trouble that may have diminished his legacy, but being a 3 time pro-bowler (with a 1600 yd season) who also excelled returning kicks, should be worthy of mention. IMO, they rank like this:

    John L.
    Warner
    SA
    Lynch
    Warren
    * even as a FB, no "top Hawk" RB list is complete without mention of Mack Strong.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
    User avatar
    HawkWow
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5007
    Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
    Location: The 5-0


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:38 pm
  • morgulon1 wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:The mind set /style of these two backs are about as far apart as it gets. SA was all about self preservation, choosing to live to carry the ball another day. It was oft times less than admirable, but it was a strategy that obviously served him, and the team, quite well.

    Lynch? Marshawn cares little about risk of injury. He is a demon and punishes would-be tacklers, fighting for every yard, even after hitting the wall. In the short term, his style is more exciting and for the most part, preferred. In the long term? There may be no long term. I'm glad he continues to deliver after getting paid and I certainly hope he has invested well.

    Defenses hated both men. I think what pizzed off alot of us with SA, was he was not a small back, yet ran like one. He could be arm tackled and was quick to hit the turf to avoid contact. If he were smaller, like most scat (type) backs, nobody would have thought twice about his methodology. I was never a big fan but I am grateful for his service to this team. I rank him slightly ahead of Lynch, but behind Warner and John L.


    I respect this well thought out post although I dont agree with all of it. Do you rank SA ahead of Lynch due to total yards or more break away long runs? That I will give to SA. I thought he was an excellent back for about a four or five year stretch IIRC yet his style drove me crazy and the "fall to the ground like a battered wife" mentallity he seemed to run with embarrased me. IT WAS the national perception of the Seattle Seahawks.

    If you go to other fans boards (thank you BlueThunder) youll find that our identity is nasty defense and you guessed it... Beef Moe

    Hey everyone, for those of you that rank SA ahead of #24, I get it. He was as close to a bona fide sports star for Seattle. And it had been a little while. Just trying to have a little discussion. I met SA once and felt kind of underwhelmed. Everyone on TV talked about how big of a back he was. I'm 6'1" 200 lbs and felt like he was half a foot shorter and not that big. He also was kind of a smart ass to a couple of people I was with. I told him to get f*#@d.
    That could also taint my view of him a little bit. He always came of as this "awww shucks" choir boy... I think it's a crock of shit.


    I don't disagree with any of your post. I also met SA and felt the same way. He was arrogant and quite cavalier. But as a back, his accomplishments cannot be taken lightly. It is difficult for me to rank him higher than ML, I just think ML needs a couple more years with us to over take SA. I expressed some feelings, similar to yours, in another thread and was rediculed, lambasted and called a liar (I wasn't lying). I was so upset by my unpopularity that I considered taking my own life. Hahahahahaha! ;)

    Sometimes, some refuse to see negativity in (their) childhood idols. That was what I took away from that attack. Silly boys that grew up wearing #37 pajamas = Pajama people. SA did give us that "soft" label but the dude could smell an endzone and was very instrumental in getting us to the promised land. I am grateful to him and would probably like him more if not for his cult-like following.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
    User avatar
    HawkWow
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5007
    Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
    Location: The 5-0


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:47 pm
  • I dont even understand how ANY could even say Shaun Alexander. I mean yeah the guy was good, but EVERYONE and their grand mother knows that he had one of the most dominant offense lines TO EVER PLAY THE GAME that year and along with other years. He wasn't a work horse, he barely buised you, he wasn't a speed demon. Some even consider him to be soft. Listen, im not saying he is all these things, the dude broke records and brought us to the Superbowl. But you know what? He wasn't the other one. Matt Hasselbeck was in the prime of his career and was lights out. Marshawn is a bruiser who runs hard and wears down defenses. Time and time again this guy just moves the pill. Where Shaun Alexanders offensive line made Shaun Alexander play better, Marshawn Lynch is making our mediocre offense line play better. Russell Okung is no Walter Jones, James Carpenter is no Chad Futch, Unger is really good but its no Tobek and of course Robinson is no Mack Strong. NUFF SAID!! there really is no more room for argument now so we can lock this topic lol j/k
    ***In Carroll We Trust***
    User avatar
    kthebestwayw
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 772
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 8:42 am
    Location: New Jersey


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:56 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:
    morgulon1 wrote:
    HawkWow wrote:The mind set /style of these two backs are about as far apart as it gets. SA was all about self preservation, choosing to live to carry the ball another day. It was oft times less than admirable, but it was a strategy that obviously served him, and the team, quite well.

    Lynch? Marshawn cares little about risk of injury. He is a demon and punishes would-be tacklers, fighting for every yard, even after hitting the wall. In the short term, his style is more exciting and for the most part, preferred. In the long term? There may be no long term. I'm glad he continues to deliver after getting paid and I certainly hope he has invested well.

    Defenses hated both men. I think what pizzed off alot of us with SA, was he was not a small back, yet ran like one. He could be arm tackled and was quick to hit the turf to avoid contact. If he were smaller, like most scat (type) backs, nobody would have thought twice about his methodology. I was never a big fan but I am grateful for his service to this team. I rank him slightly ahead of Lynch, but behind Warner and John L.


    I respect this well thought out post although I dont agree with all of it. Do you rank SA ahead of Lynch due to total yards or more break away long runs? That I will give to SA. I thought he was an excellent back for about a four or five year stretch IIRC yet his style drove me crazy and the "fall to the ground like a battered wife" mentallity he seemed to run with embarrased me. IT WAS the national perception of the Seattle Seahawks.

    If you go to other fans boards (thank you BlueThunder) youll find that our identity is nasty defense and you guessed it... Beef Moe

    Hey everyone, for those of you that rank SA ahead of #24, I get it. He was as close to a bona fide sports star for Seattle. And it had been a little while. Just trying to have a little discussion. I met SA once and felt kind of underwhelmed. Everyone on TV talked about how big of a back he was. I'm 6'1" 200 lbs and felt like he was half a foot shorter and not that big. He also was kind of a smart ass to a couple of people I was with. I told him to get f*#@d.
    That could also taint my view of him a little bit. He always came of as this "awww shucks" choir boy... I think it's a crock of shit.


    I don't disagree with any of your post. I also met SA and felt the same way. He was arrogant and quite cavalier. But as a back, his accomplishments cannot be taken lightly. It is difficult for me to rank him higher than ML, I just think ML needs a couple more years with us to over take SA. I expressed some feelings, similar to yours, in another thread and was rediculed, lambasted and called a liar (I wasn't lying). I was so upset by my unpopularity that I considered taking my own life. Hahahahahaha! ;)

    Sometimes, some refuse to see negativity in (their) childhood idols. That was what I took away from that attack. Silly boys that grew up wearing #37 pajamas = Pajama people. SA did give us that "soft" label but the dude could smell an endzone and was very instrumental in getting us to the promised land. I am grateful to him and would probably like him more if not for his cult-like following.



    Hahahahaha . I agree, the only thing that SA has over Lynch at this point is longevity. For a pure running back, and this is my personal opinion... I think Curt Warner is the best to put on a Hawk uniform. He had it all and had it not for the shit-turf NFL stadiums used back then, there wouldn't of been any question.
    Warren, nice back with a lot of talent (and problems) which I think unfairly knocks him down a notch.

    John L Williams...enough said
    Mack Strong...one of the best FB of all time, not just Seattle

    Glad you didnt take your life.
    User avatar
    morgulon1
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 3486
    Joined: Sat May 02, 2009 10:07 am
    Location: Spokane, Wa


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:58 pm
  • Please refresh your memories of a healthy shaun alexander. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2TfY03kG4

    DAT SPEED
    4/27/13 - I was there #humblethug
    "He looked like a bad man," Sherman said, "and I knew we were alright."
    User avatar
    TheRealDTM
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 849
    Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:26 pm
    Location: Bellingham, WA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:53 pm
  • I respect this well thought out post although I dont agree with all of it. Do you rank SA ahead of Lynch due to total yards or more break away long runs? That I will give to SA. I thought he was an excellent back for about a four or five year stretch IIRC yet his style drove me crazy and the "fall to the ground like a battered wife" mentallity he seemed to run with embarrased me. IT WAS the national perception of the Seattle Seahawks.

    If you go to other fans boards (thank you BlueThunder) youll find that our identity is nasty defense and you guessed it... Beef Moe

    Hey everyone, for those of you that rank SA ahead of #24, I get it. He was as close to a bona fide sports star for Seattle. And it had been a little while. Just trying to have a little discussion. I met SA once and felt kind of underwhelmed. Everyone on TV talked about how big of a back he was. I'm 6'1" 200 lbs and felt like he was half a foot shorter and not that big. He also was kind of a smart ass to a couple of people I was with. I told him to get f*#@d.
    That could also taint my view of him a little bit. He always came of as this "awww shucks" choir boy... I think it's a crock of shit.[/quote]

    I don't disagree with any of your post. I also met SA and felt the same way. He was arrogant and quite cavalier. But as a back, his accomplishments cannot be taken lightly. It is difficult for me to rank him higher than ML, I just think ML needs a couple more years with us to over take SA. I expressed some feelings, similar to yours, in another thread and was rediculed, lambasted and called a liar (I wasn't lying). I was so upset by my unpopularity that I considered taking my own life. Hahahahahaha! ;)

    Sometimes, some refuse to see negativity in (their) childhood idols. That was what I took away from that attack. Silly boys that grew up wearing #37 pajamas = Pajama people. SA did give us that "soft" label but the dude could smell an endzone and was very instrumental in getting us to the promised land. I am grateful to him and would probably like him more if not for his cult-like following.[/quote]


    Hahahahaha . I agree, the only thing that SA has over Lynch at this point is longevity. For a pure running back, and this is my personal opinion... I think Curt Warner is the best to put on a Hawk uniform. He had it all and had it not for the shit-turf NFL stadiums used back then, there wouldn't of been any question.
    Warren, nice back with a lot of talent (and problems) which I think unfairly knocks him down a notch.

    John L Williams...enough said
    Mack Strong...one of the best FB of all time, not just Seattle

    Glad you didnt take your life.[/quote]
    =====================================================

    Thanks. ;) His followers refused to believe someone, in this case Hutch, just might not like their hero. It all got rather creepy and I now log out at nite for fear of being cyber-murdered in my sleep. LOL.

    I agree with your sentiment about Curt. I close my eyes and can still see that gawd-awful play. Tragic. When an outsider brings his name up in RB conversations, you know you're talking to someone that knows football. Buy that man a beer.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
    User avatar
    HawkWow
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5007
    Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
    Location: The 5-0


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:02 pm
  • TheRealDTM wrote:Please refresh your memories of a healthy shaun alexander. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2TfY03kG4

    DAT SPEED


    VERY gifted athlete. Thanks for that. But it really just proved a point. When he had an opening, he was money. When he didn't, he wasn't. I saw like one broken tackle (against Florida) on the entire highlight reel. BUT...to his defense. SA never pretended to be a bruisng back. He never apologized for his style and always made it clear "this is who I am, this is how I run, take it or leave it". It's hard to condemn him (too much) based on that.
    Having your views challenged is a lot more healthy than simply jabbering on with people who think exactly the same way as you.
    User avatar
    HawkWow
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5007
    Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:20 pm
    Location: The 5-0


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:12 pm
  • Great Thread !!

    Stats are great to compare and speculations are a wonderful thing.
    * * My choice is based on the Man alone, and all he stands for.
    Comments can be made that this quality would not bring us a Championship itself,
    ....and no disrespect to the Beast and his personal qualities

    Shaun Alexander was and is a true class individual. (on or off a football field)
    THIS is my basis for favorites among the two.

    #37 still represents the Seahawks and the 12th man with pride. :th2thumbs:
    ~ never forget ~
    "If You're Good At Making Excuses, You'll Never Be Great At Anything Else." ~ Richard Sherman

    GO HAWKS !!
    User avatar
    glowingeyedseahawk
    * PA's # 1 Seahawks Fan *
     
    Posts: 540
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:42 pm
    Location: Sinking Spring, PA


Re: Lynch vs. Alexander
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:14 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:We know exactly what another RB could do. Mo Morris had 71 carries for 288 yards (4.1 ave) and 1TD behind that 2005 line. He was about as average as average gets.


    i dont know if you're arguing for or against SA being all line. mo morris has a 4.2 ypc career avg over a 10 year career and had about a 4.0 ypc avg with 8 tds in his 3 years with detroit had about 20 more carries a season.. most backups usually have higher ypc avgs simply due to the fact they get a lot of draw plays in 3rd and long situations which spikes their ypc numbers a lot considering the low amount of carries they get in a season and they generally get 5-10 garbage yards on a draw.

    basically comparing a backup running back/ 3rd down backs stats to a starting rb doesnt work because its situational. this was the same thing that caused a lot of arguments on here when people were begging for forsett to start because of his high ypc avg.
    redhawk253
    NET Rookie
     
    Posts: 201
    Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:43 pm


Next


It is currently Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:03 pm

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE OFFICIAL NET NATION FAN FORUM ]




Information