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  • First story sounds 100% fabricated. (maybe an unhappy 49er fan trying to provide bad press for Seattle or a newspaper trying to get some headlines?)

    How do you buy 32 tickets together anywhere in Clink Field?

    If they did encounter the things they said they did, there is something greatly missing from the stories, IMO.

    I have been a season ticket holder for 20+ years and other than very isolated incidents, the kind of things described in the first letter just don't happen, unprovoked, at Seahawks games in Seattle.

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  • It's really a crapshoot. It's almost 70 thousand fans there, and some are gonna be unlucky enough to find that section with the way-too-drunk 20-something males. Every single game I have attended, the opposing fans have experienced, at the most, good natured ribbing, usually followed by conversations about their trip up here. The worst thing I ever witnessed was an EAGLES fan at the Kingdome chucking a FULL 32 ounce pop which smacked into the back of a female seahawks fans head. That fan was dealt with MOST rudely (deservedly so) by a swarm of angry Seahawks fans. He left on his own because he feared for his safety. But that is it. I think we are amongst the best fans around the league, but you just can't weed out the assholes in every single stadium/arena in every sport. I wish we could just shoot 'em, and eventually through attrition these asswipes would just dissapear, but the law frowns on that...damnit!
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  • SharkHawk wrote:I find it amazing those who defend this kind of crap and claim it doesn't happen. Simply amazing. It happens every game, and you guys continue to blow it off. Sometime soon we're going to have a situation like they had at Dodgers stadium and everybody is going to be up in arms and saying that this kind of crap should never happen in Seattle. Well, guess what... it already does. Luckily nobody has gotten beaten to that point yet. But Ken Hamlin got beaten nearly to death after a game at a club. What's the difference between what happened to him and what happened at Dodgers Stadium? The difference? Sports were involved. That's all. A rivalry.

    Hamlin got hit in the head and suffered damage to his brain over a petty little argument fueled by alcohol. What happened in LA? Same thing, but it was at a sporting event. Seattle-ites have shown many times they are capable of such idiocy. So have all cities. On this current route, it's going to happen soon and it's going to be ugly, and you're all going to say that it was "just a couple of idiots" and blah blah blah. Then people stop attending games. Maybe Paul Allen says he doesn't have any interest in owning a team with a fanbase like that. Am I stretching it here? Maybe.... maybe not. I saw what he did with the Blazers after some stuff, and he didn't back down. He just said "enough" fired everybody including players and was ready to sell the entire team. I don't think he'd hesitate to do it again if things like this continue to happen. The whole tough guy act is tired.

    You pay opera prices, you don't expect to go to an opera, but you expect people to be civil and for it not to feel like a scene out of Mad Max entering and exiting the stadium.

    Who is defending this? I just said I go to plenty of games and have never witnessed any of this. I'm in the 300 level double letters where the bad crowd supposedly are. I've just never seen it...I've seen Seahawks fans yelling "Seahawks!" in opposing teams faces, but never any threats. I also saw 9ers fans walk into the bathroom, unprovoked, yelling "Who's got it better than us?!" And they expect no venom in return? Give me a freaking break. Of course, there's bad apples...but to believe in a group of 36 with 18 9ers and 18 Seahawks fans, they were constantly ridiculed and threatened? How do we know if it was no more than friendly banter? It's just this lady's words stating that every 9er fan she encountered faced the same type of threats as her and her family.

    To clarify, I don't condone any of this behavior. I've never seen it, but if I did, I'd try to put a stop to it, because I hate those type of fans.
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  • I didn't say you defended it did I? Feel free to re-read what I posted. I never mentioned you.
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  • Hawkfan77 wrote:This type of trash story is typical of the seattle times. They give so much press to isolated incidents that happen in every freaking stadium, field and arena in sports and make it as if all Hawk fans are drunken jackasses. The times always tries to smear sports. They did it to the Huskies, they did it to the Arena deal and now it seems like they are rearing their ugly and ridiculous head at us Hawk fans. I really hate that "paper" and the low standards it has.

    I don't really care to read the "article" in its entirety, but I'm almost positive I know exactly what it says. I'll pass on that garbage.


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  • This makes me ashamed.
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  • I've said all that I need to say in this thread. I'm already disappointed by more than a few responses (regardless if they are LPC'ers). Hopefully it's not your friend, wife, girfriend, son, brother, father or mother that's being treated like a child molester for simply wearing the other team's jersey.

    I'm done here.
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  • Have to agree with Todd, very disappointed in some of the responses here. This isn't just good natured ribbing or even trash talking. What happened to this lady was verbal harassment.

    Seriously, what kind of POS grown man threatens a couple of 14 year old kids?
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  • You can't call out the whole because of a few.

    Funny its the Seattle Times though, they hate sports :stirthepot:
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  • Has anyone considered the fact that it's impossible to stop all instances of profanity-laced tirades to opposing fans at a football stadium?
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  • well that's one side of the story? would like to hear the other.. if it's true then it's bulls**t..

    but to say they'll never go back to seattle and support a city that has fans like that is a bit much, sounds like a some privaledged white collar snoot who needs to thicken the skin.. probably one of those ladies that dresses her poodle in sweaters.

    fans are fans, there's bad apples in every bunch... if it was that bad, go get the police or stadium security.
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  • SharkHawk wrote:I didn't say you defended it did I? Feel free to re-read what I posted. I never mentioned you.

    You didn't mention anybody
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  • two preseasons ago A longtime female hawks fan who had severe back problems told me to sit down repeatedly and I refused, in fact I vehemently refused and cussed her and her husband out in front of her kids...

    Of course that story should be told a little differently..but hey.. it gets more hits with the ^^^ content...

    The not so short, boring and true version goes: A family bought tickets in a section where nobody sits down (5th row south endzone)..the kids LOVED it..the parents hated it.."how dare the people stand in front of us! WE payed $1000 for these seats"... I stood(with 3 rows standing in front of me), she complained(never once explaining her condition), he threatened me..I laughed..repeated this exercise 15x or so (at about 12x I told them to "shut the up and enjoy the game "in front of their teens/kids).....and then the husband went and found security...

    Security came down and (to the husbands utter dismay) asked me " Sir, should we kick THEM out?"

    My reply was "nah, It's all good, they're cool,they just don't understand how these seats work"

    After that I actually had a normal conversation with the family and found out about the medical condition of the wife...I sat down for every play that didn't draw the "standing Ire" from then on...

    They weren't bad people..but they sure as hell came off as the same kind of entitled "woe is me" brats from that first article...
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  • I attended a couple games in 2007 and didn't return until just this season. I was stunned by the ocean of profanity and negativity for a first place 10-6 team. I know that if you fill a stadium with 67,000 people a few will have issues, but it didn't feel like just a few in 2007.

    Quite frankly, the winning brings out the reactionary wife-beater types in droves, or at least exposes them for what they are- degenerates. It would not sadden me one bit to see some of those "fans" spending a night in a jail cell.

    Sadly I am not surprised at all by Sarah Brown's story- although I do find it a little horrifying. If it were me, I probably would have gotten my family out of there even sooner than she did.

    I thought Rick Turner's essay was spot on. Moderation: it's in rare supply these days. Bench Wilson! Carroll's on the hot seat! The Seahawks are mediocre! Cut Thurmond!

    Reading it, it almost sounded as if he was talking about .net directly. I mean I get that this place tends to be reactionary, but this year it's been more knee-jerk than most.
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  • Some of us would not be harrassed based on our size and or looks, pretty much a bunch of punk ass bastards that go after women and kids to show how tough a fan they are to begin with.

    That being said if we promote a punk bad ass attitude with a team then that is what immature fans will emmulate I think. I don't see that with the Seahawks, I did with the Blazers to a degree. We are a nasty defense and yes Sherman talks but isn't thuggish.

    Again some people don't know the difference between the two.

    It's shameful that some condone this, I would wonder if they are part of the crowd that is being talked about in the article.

    Jumping a guy and kicking and beating him in the concourse and being cheered on? I wonder how many pussified Seattlelites were there calling for a end to pro sports do to violence afterwards to the Seattle City Council rather then step up and say it was wrong or go and get a cop or security or even all three given there must have been hundreds around it.

    Much of this sounds like High School crap from people that hve not grown up and think being tough means being a news story from another city. Raider fans have a rep, the San Francisco issues down their may have had some relevance as well.

    Because of the fans in those cities that the NFL is doing stuff with to insure a better fan experience. Do we want them controlling our security and setting standards or our stadium as well. Maybe the TSA can search everyone and no posters, banners, or any back packs or seating pads in case you might use it as a weapon. Sobriety tests at the entrances if you appear to have had a drink etc. Many of these ideas ahve come up with how to control crowds. Maybe just cut off all consumption of alcohal in the building period.

    The fans dictate what the reaction and what questions will be raised.

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  • "My son’s friend was wearing an Oregon Ducks rain jacket".

    Friends don't let friends wear Oregon Ducks rain jackets.
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  • But hey, at least we are classier than Jets fans (this never gets old):

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  • Let us just be the best football team, with the classiest fans in the country. Please, that is who we are. Save your rage for cheering on the fantastic product on the field.

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  • Nobody is suggesting that the behavior cited in the article should be condoned or tolerated. However, the question being implicitly debated in this thread is whether this is representative of widespread misbehavior on the part of fans. The Seattle Times article provides no support to that line of reasoning because the article suffers from Selection Bias.

    There are three reasons why the story provided by the Times cannot be treated as a representative sample.

    1. Only fans who have relatively poor experiences are motivated to write letters of complain to newspapers.
    2. Of those fans, many are tempted to exaggerate the situation some amount to make it seem more letter worthy.
    3. Newspapers do not randomly select experiences to report on because moderate outcomes are not interesting. The media deals in extremes because that is what they deem "newsworthy".

    All we know based on the letter is that in the very most extreme case that the Times was able to report, a couple fans may have showed poor sportsmanship on Sunday out of a pool of 70,000 fans. Extrapolating the extreme case to the rest of the stadium is indefensible and is only done by the Times to create a story. That is no reason for us to blow it out of proportion here.
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  • AgentDib wrote:Nobody is suggesting that the behavior cited in the article should be condoned or tolerated. However, the question being implicitly debated in this thread is whether this is representative of widespread misbehavior on the part of fans. The Seattle Times article provides no support to that line of reasoning because the article suffers from Selection Bias.

    There are three reasons why the story provided by the Times cannot be treated as a representative sample.

    1. Only fans who have relatively poor experiences are motivated to write letters of complain to newspapers.
    2. Of those fans, many are tempted to exaggerate the situation some amount to make it seem more letter worthy.
    3. Newspapers do not randomly select experiences to report on because moderate outcomes are not interesting. The media deals in extremes because that is what they deem "newsworthy".

    All we know based on the letter is that in the very most extreme case that the Times was able to report, a couple fans may have showed poor sportsmanship on Sunday out of a pool of 70,000 fans. Extrapolating the extreme case to the rest of the stadium is indefensible and is only done by the Times to create a story. That is no reason for us to blow it out of proportion here barring further information.


    Best take on this yet.
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  • AgentDib wrote:Nobody is suggesting that the behavior cited in the article should be condoned or tolerated. However, the question being implicitly debated in this thread is whether this is representative of widespread misbehavior on the part of fans. The Seattle Times article provides no support to that line of reasoning because the article suffers from Selection Bias.

    There are three reasons why the story provided by the Times cannot be treated as a representative sample.

    1. Only fans who have relatively poor experiences are motivated to write letters of complain to newspapers.
    2. Of those fans, many are tempted to exaggerate the situation some amount to make it seem more letter worthy.
    3. Newspapers do not randomly select experiences to report on because moderate outcomes are not interesting. The media deals in extremes because that is what they deem "newsworthy".

    All we know based on the letter is that in the very most extreme case that the Times was able to report, a couple fans may have showed poor sportsmanship on Sunday out of a pool of 70,000 fans. Extrapolating the extreme case to the rest of the stadium is indefensible and is only done by the Times to create a story. That is no reason for us to blow it out of proportion here.

    Bravo, sir! Well done!
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  • Great post, AgentDib. Best take on this so far. Bravo.
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  • Sounds awful, if true.


    And those kids also only had jerseys to wear in 40 degree pouring down rain. You'd think they'd have worn a coat or something too.
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  • Football is a passionate sport. We ALL get crazy at times, it is just that some people at certain times take it way too far.

    Hell in 2009 a large group of us from this very site went to SF for the game (about 30 or so). A few of us are on the burly/muscular size, and we were still hounded, yelled at and one of us even had a constant barrage of french fries thrown at us.

    If you go into an opposing stadium with gear from that opposing team on, you should expect some sort of harassment. Someone will take it further than others. It will always happen in any city, and stadium.

    That does not make it right/wrong. If it becomes violent, then get involved, or get the hell out of there.

    I left that game early as I didn't like the vibe and we were getting killed on the field. But nobody messed with me.
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  • It's simple really - don't wear 49ers jersey's at Century Link.

    Don't draw attention to yourself.
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  • I don't agree with the way some Seahawks fans get a bit out of control down there, but here is the thing.

    It's going to happen. If you are smart what you will do is not wear the visiting teams colors when you go to a Seahawks game.

    Look at it this way, I'm in the Navy, when I need to go to the airport, I don't wear a t-shirt that says "Property of US Navy" all over it. It makes me think of girls that dress slutty and then complain about getting hit on. It's actually pretty dumb if you really think about it. If her family didn't come walking into the stadium wearing SF gear like a bunch of ignorant nerds, they wouldn't have even taken any verbal abuse at all. You go to the Hawks game in the visitors gear, your asking for it in my opinion.
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  • We're flippen tame compared to other stadiums I've been to on the road. I was treated like garbage at Chicago, Cleveland and San Fran. Niners fans are psycho, and the stadium is in the ghetto. I think it sucks that a few drink people can ruin someone's experience, but no way in hell is the fanbase NEAR the level of some other cities out there. And for the record, I saw a LOT of Niners fans talking smack before the game, and starting fights in the 4th quarter.
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  • someone should call CPS on Mrs. Brown. She lives in Washington and let her kid be a Niners fan?? There is the real crime.

    sad story about their game experience though.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I saw a LOT of Niners fans talking smack before the game, and starting fights in the 4th quarter.


    On Occidental, smack talking Niner fans were the norm rather than the exception.

    Going all of the way back to the original post, I think the point that needs to be reiterated is that worn out
    "If you see something, say something." Or, at least, flash a "Don't be a Harbaugh" sign on the stadium screen once in a while.
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  • Well, I had an incident on Saturday, during the day. I was taking my daily walk down past the stadium (ritual until we are done this year), and I was minding my own business, taking a pic of the stadium. I hear behind me "Your team is a joke, you have no shot tomorrow night!" It was 3 big Niner fans who had nothing better to do than get up in my grill and talk smack. I just grinned and walked away, the smell of their fear was enough for me. Not to mention, 3 big psycho Niners fans, not worth it.
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  • I challenge the woman and all her family to go to the dump known as candlestick, and wear Hawk gear....see what happens then.
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  • No doubt, been there 3 times, was treated horribly all 3 times. I don't talk smack on the road, ever. They sought us out and just were ridiculous. Of course, the stadium is half full once the team starts losing. Niner Faithful my a**
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  • I've been lurking here for a long time, but joined only yesterday. I read the article in the OP because comments on it were blowing up my twitter timeline. I wondered if I should post it in here, but figured it wouldn't be the best thing as my introduction to the forum. Also, I was certain that someone else would do it sooner or later. I'm not going to comment on it myself, except to say it brought to mind this article.

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  • So there you go guys.... it sounds like you're ok with us being no better than 49er fans. Is that how we want to be seen? I want to be known as classy fans that cheer and scream the loudest in the league, but we have a stadium where people can feel safe.

    My brother got knocked around in LA when the Hawks won the division back in oh.... 1989 or so? The Raiders were playing at the LA Colliseum. He and another brother and 2 friends were attempting to exit the stadium and he got smashed into quite a few times to the point where it was obvious they were trying to get him on the ground and see what they could do to mess him up. He was smart enough to hurry into a little nook and get his jersey off fast and ditched it by folding it up and hiding it in his pants and wore his plain white undershirt out.

    Nothing like that should happen anywhere, but the OP simply said, "Come on Hawk Fans, We're Better Than This". I couldn't agree more. But after reading some of the responses.... maybe we're not better than this. Maybe some are, but apparently a lot think it's a-ok and to be expected. I see fans of teams I dislike wearing their jerseys everyday. I'm glad there is interest in the NFL and that there are rivals who buy tickets, who make it so that somebody wants to broadcast the games, and that provide cities like Seattle with the taxes needed to build such a fantastic stadium. As I said before.... that wasn't just Seahawks fans paying for that stadium. In fact, a large percentage of it was tourist dollars (and still is). That doesn't mean I think they should be carried into the stadium like kings, but maybe we can let them attend a game without worrying about death. Sadly it will take something awful beyond awful before a lot of minds are changed, and it's a matter of time. It's like an earthquake or a volcanic eruption. You can feel it building. Stadium violence is on the rise and it's a matter of time before it happens in Seattle and maybe some eyes will open to what is a serious problem. I hope like crazy it never happens, but I'm afraid we're kind of at the point of no return here, and then lots of folks will have answers about how to fix it. I'd love it if we had those answers now rather than after a woman, child, or even a full grown man has to experience it.
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  • Wow.. Just read the article, that's so unfortunate. Makes me kind of embarrassed to be a fan sometimes. Not just Seahawks, but football in general. This happens at EVERY stadium in the country, if you wear the opposing team's jersey, you get harassed, that's just the way it's been since I can remember. Most of the people who do the harassing are actually decent folks, just had a bit too much to drink and let their emotions take control.

    I know its just a game and anyone should have the right to wear whatever they want to a stadium. Its a free country. However, that won't stop people from screaming profanity at you. Pretty much everyone should know this by now. If you wear an opposing team's jersey into a stadium, any NFL stadium, you're going to be in for a very long day/evening. Unfortunate, but it is what it is. They're not going to stop selling alcohol at football games and those nutty, profanity screaming J-offs at the game happen to bring in a lot of revenue for the Seattle Seahawks.

    Anyway. Although the behavior was totally unacceptable, in that article. It hails in comparison to what I underwent at a 49ers game. I wasn't crazy enough to wear a Seahawks jersey at Candlestick, but I couldn't help but wear my new Seahawks hat. Just with a hat, I was screamed at all game long. Had random Niners fans scream inches from my face every time the Seahawks were scored on or turned the ball over.

    I am guilty as sin when it comes to bad behavior at games though.. Towards the end of that same game, someone behind me snatched my hat off my head and started rubbing his a$$ with it, screaming, I ended up grabbing him by the collar and pulling him down an entire row, where he landed flat on his back. Right as I was about start punching him, I had about three other Niners fans jump on my back. I was with a friend (I would never go to Candlestick alone and cheer for the Hawks, lol!) who tried to get the guys off me, but he was then jumped too. Lucky for us, security was there within thirty seconds and we weren't beat up too bad.

    Long story short, it took about four big security guards and a SF police officer to get these guys off of us and escort us out of the stadium. On the way out, we had beer poured all over us from Niners fans on both sides of the isle we were running up. It was a nightmare. Never got my Seahawks hat back. I can't even imagine what they did to my hat after I left.. In the end, no one was even sent to jail, the cop just told us to get on the bus and go back to our hotel.

    I learned a very valuable lesson, if you are a Hawks fan and want to go to a 49ers game when the Seahawks are in town, call up Candlestick and ask to sit in a family friendly section. We just grabbed whatever tickets we could get ahold of at the time, since we were in town for business. We had no other choice. It ended up being one of the rowdiest parts of Candlestick.

    Never again...

    Also: I have heard some pretty harrowing stories from fans of opposing teams that went to a game in the Bay Area against the Oakland Raiders. My friend has a colleague that's a Broncos fan, he was stabbed when he went to a game in Oakland. Not in the stadium, but after the game in the street. A group of guys in black Raiders jerseys came up from behind him, roughed him up and one of the guys ended up stabbing him in the side right before they ran away.

    The Bay Area seems to be a pretty violent place for sports fans in general. Not too long ago, a random guy (who was a laid back husband and father) was brutally assaulted by a group of Dodgers fans. The sad thing is this was not in L.A. but SF, when the Dodgers were playing the Giants in San Francisco. If I remember correctly the guy was beaten so badly that he was hospitalized for quite a while. The first few days he was hanging on to life by a thread.
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  • The funniest part about that article was in the comment section written by a guy in Chicago that was talking crap about the wrong Vancouver.
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  • This entire thread proves BOTH letter writers points.
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  • So there's going to be less fans from the opposing team at our home games? I don't see the issue here.
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  • This kind of shit is why I hate going to Seahawks road games. I have seen them play many times in the Meadowlands, twice in Foxboro, once each in Chicago, SD and this year in Toronto. I always wear full Hawks gear...and many times I take a lot of abuse for it. In SD [1996] I had stuff thrown at me in my seat and have had tons of verbal abuse in NY & Foxboro. I am a big guy but it doesn't matter.

    I will not go to a Hawks game and not wear my gear...so I rarely go to road games anymore. Even last year when the Hawks came to NY [Browner!] I didn't go because I'd rather watch at home then spend 4 hours being abused by drunk Giants fans. It's just not fun. No way in a million years would I take my kids to a Hawks road game and wear Hawks gear - that's idiotic.

    To me there is no better experience in sports than watching a Hawks game in Seattle...but if you are an opposing NFL fan you should not wear your team's gear if you don't want to attract abuse. It's sad but that's how it is and you have to know that going in. Either don't go or don't wear your colors.
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  • A few idiots don't make a fan base
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  • Some of you want to come over here and watch a football game. That'd be a real eye opener. You'd be lucky to come away with hurt feelings if you walked into a football stadium wearing the opposition jersey. It's simple really - don't wear a Niners jersey. The day you stop a vast minority of football fans among a 70K crowd swearing at a game is the day you ban alcohol from the city on game day and achieve a degree of world peace.
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  • The most mess I've ever talked to a fellow fan was "hey bro your team is trash, I'm sorry" that was the beat down we put on Philly last season.
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  • Two unsolicited e-mails started this? That seems low.

    When I've worn the wrong colors/gear to games I've always expected and gotten verbal abuse, most of it in good nature, much of the rest by fans who should avoid alcohol.

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  • How embarrassing. I would like to think we are better than this. It's only a game. I have had this stuff happen to me years ago at a raider game. Not fun.
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  • Imagine what the atmosphere would be like at an NFL game if they sold Marijuana instead of Alcohol. So, instead of paying seven to ten bucks for a 16 oz plastic bottle of beer, you would pay the same amount for some fresh Indica* tightly rolled up in a joint. Yeah, I know this would never happen. Not in my lifetime anyway. But if you could just imagine all the folks who consume enough alcohol to lose self-control, sometimes violently; If you could just imagine those people smoked marijuana at the game instead of drinking. How much more enjoyable the games would be. Of course there would be a smoking and non-smoking section.

    I don't think selling and allowing the consumption of marijuana at Century Link would be good though. The 12th Man wouldn't be as loud. Everyone would either be in line to buy junk food, or they'd be sitting silently in their seats, eating junk food. If Century Link were the first stadium in the NFL to distribute and allow the consumption of marijuana. The Clink would no longer be the loudest stadium in the league, it would be the most silent. Perhaps even in the world. The only noise would be from the field and the occasional giggling of some 'first time smoker' in the seats.



    * FYI - Indica is a species of Cannabis that has a higher Cannabidiol:THC ratio, which causes more relaxation and even has an anxiolytic [anti-anxiety] effect. Unlike Cannabis "Sativa" which has a higher THC:Cannabidiol ratio. Sativa is more popular in Marijuana's black market, most likely because its easier to grow and maintain than Indica (or so i've been told by friends that grow, legally). Anyway, Sativa is known for having more of a cerebral high, which smokers often call a 'head high', while India is a 'body high'. Not sure about the reasoning behind this, I rarely smoke, but when I do it's all the same to me. I do notice more paranoia with Sativa than Indica though..

    Sorry for the lesson on pot species, haha.. Not necessary, but i'm a bit bored. If you couldn't already tell.
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  • CallMeADawg wrote:Let us just be the best football team, with the classiest fans in the country. Please, that is who we are. Save your rage for cheering on the fantastic product on the field.

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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:A few idiots don't make a fan base


    I second this.

    But its more like a few thousand. Out of the 67,000 that CenturyLink Field seats, I would estimate (from my experience at 25+ games at Clink/Qwest), that at least 7,000 of those people are drunk and somewhat out of control. Playoff games can be even worse. I've only been to three playoff games in Seattle, but every one of them, I saw at least twice as many people out of control than a regular season home game.
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  • That's it? One letter? No one hurt? Just some feelings ruffled from an opposing teams fan who admits to retaliating to seemingly every comment?

    Well considering an evening game, alchohal that had likely been getting consumed for multiple hours before the game even started and against our biggest rival (and well known most vocal shit talkers themselves) in a highly heated event with very heavy implications between two smash mouth teams that obviously hate each other, the best the Seattle times can come up with is a disgruntled Niner fan who admittedly retaliated on several occasion?

    I think some are blowing this out of proportion. If you believe a completely emotionless free environment is possible while also being known as the loudest and rowdiest crowd in the league. I think your really reaching.

    I would feel different if there was a large volume of complaints or there were actual acts of violence but that is not the case. This is one isolated complaint that we have no idea how much is exaggerated or blown out of proportion, let alone how much of it was brought on by the person complaining.

    Chastising an entire fan base (one known for it's emotional input) because one person complained is over the top. I have heard way to many good stories from opposing teams fans about their experience in Seattle to believe we are all just drunken/ignorant thugs. If you really believe there should be zero ribbing at games with opposing teams fans then by all means, stay home.
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  • I have seen every one of these things happen. Rarely is it physical. Too much in your face yelling though.

    But it is not the majority. We as fans need to do a better job of keeping it to boos as opposing fans walk by. Less in your face and less dropping f bombs.
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