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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:03 pm
  • so I am going to say it now that I have the chance, the Falcons are NOT an elite squad!

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 pm
  • How we win this game:

    1. Ball control, time of possession, power running, wear down their defense, outlast and out physical them.

    2. Attack the A gap.

    3. Stop Gonzalez on 3rd down and in the red zone.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 pm
  • Twisted wrote:fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

    C'MON MAN!

    Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:25 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Twisted wrote:fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

    C'MON MAN!

    Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.


    oh geez calm down dood, OK they played one team one game over .500
    does that do it for ya? :?

    and no thats not like 5 times, I made one that was 29th worst defense, ended up being 24th, the difference is so huge I guess that makes the falcoons an ELITE squad... lol


    so in their last 8 games the Falcons have played ONE team that is get this, ONE GAME over .500, wooo hooo world beaters incorporated... !!!!


    everybody clap their hands now....

    sides I'm not the only one posting diatribe on this website so.... :192215:
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:37 pm
  • also my data was correct on atalantanation, straight from NFL.com they have the 24th ranked defense, just click on the game like I instructed before...

    League Rankings

    DEFENSE

    SEA 4th Atl 24th

    it don't lie man! so YOU need to backoff man!

    see where it says 24th next to defense? see where it says NFL.com in URL bar? yea thats what I said at atlnation.... :th2thumbs:

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:59 pm
  • I agree with the premise that a lack of pressure on Ryan might cause problems, but I think if you're focusing on the lack of pass rush from our base defense you're focusing on the wrong area. It's the lack of pressure from our nickel and dime defense which we will struggle with. Pete has already mentioned a few times as that area needing to improve and that was before losing Clemons and Jones (Yikes!)

    Assuming Irvin doesn't crap the bed, our base defense is STILL the elite base defense we've had ALL year. The same defense that only a short while ago led the league in yards-to-go on 3rd down for opposing offenses (and maybe still does). The same base defense that is near top of the league stopping the run and is #1 in scoring. So, why are we calling out our base defense, yet again?

    Here's the funny part. You know why we're going to WIN this game? Our base defense. With two of our main guys out in our sub-package defense, it will be up to our base defense to save our ass by playing such strong Run D that even Scruggs and a tired Irvin will have success on 3rd down.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:10 am
  • sc85sis wrote:It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.

    I'm pretty sure there was an implied "if" -- as in: If we lose, this will be why.

    Personally, I'm not that worried about it, and I can sum up the reasons in one word.

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:45 am
  • you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:53 am
  • Geez, it's like people are so blind to our problems.. We're not a perfect team and no matter how good our secondary is they cant cover JJ and White for six seconds until our anaemic pass rush eventually waddles upto Matt Ryan.

    I agree with English on pretty much every point he's made. Having the best scoring defense in the league doesn't mean anything when it's a one and done game, it's an average. If we only let the Falcons score 15 points then I'm happy but the Falcons won't score 15 points unless we get a solid pass rush on them, that's just how the Falcons are, good offensive line, excellent passing game and mediocre running game. Keep in mind that our sack total is inflated by a freakish first half in one game and while sacks don't tell a full story for how a defense plays it's still a hugely important aspect and we can't keep riding our luck without QB pressure.

    I honestly believe our pass rush will decide whether we win or lose this game. Four sacks and I'm happy, three and I'm nervous anything less and I'm hoping we can grind out the win with time of possesion
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:15 am
  • I dont feel a loss in the pit of my stomach. Pretty amazing since it's usually is there. lol I feel we win a squeeker.

    If not. I aint mad bro! Amazing and unexpected season!
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:21 am
  • gdawg wrote:you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.

    We held on to wear out a Defense that was playing good ball. We settled in and made the right adjustments.
    We tired them out. And hopefully Lynch will do that to the Falcons.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:27 am
  • pehawk wrote:I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

    That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

    I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.


    Pressuring the QB IS important to Pete. I guarantee you this is causing him major anxiety.
    Yes, the scheme doesn't call for many blitzes, but he didn't sign Jason Jones for any other reason than third down pressure. Pet's press scheme has never called for his secondary to be the part of the defense that carries the squad. They will address the D-line in the off season, I guarantee it.

    They don't blitz more because Pete isn't trapped by the notion that sacks are an end all be all to winning. Making QBs make 2nd and third decisions per play is far more effective than the occasional tackle for loss. It's funny how fans get all tizzied up by sack numbers. Guy tackles the QB for a loss of two and his agent starts planning his holdout. Tackle a running back for a two yard loss and ho hum, next play.

    People need to pay attention more to when and where sacks happen than how many of them there are. the sacks Wilson took vs Washington were not that big a deal, except for one that took us out of field goal range, because playing from behind, not making a single mistake down field was paramount.

    In this particular game, playing contain on the edges when there is the risk of a screen call is a much bigger deal than Clemons getting around the corner. I don't like the Baker/Clemons matchup anyway. I do like Scruggs/Baker, Scruggs can walk him back. And I do think our DTs can get push against this front, which from what I see on Ryan, matters more than edge pressure.

    Against the Niners or Packers, the loss of Clemons looms much larger.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:30 am
  • gdawg wrote:you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


    Would that be the same one legged QB that had us down 14-0 in the 1st quarter. And then we shut them out and scored 24 ourselves?

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:44 am
  • sc85sis wrote:It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.


    I definitely could've and should've worded it better. I'll hold my hands up on that one.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:12 am
  • gdawg wrote:you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


    Whether he was one legged or not, he doesn't play defense. 24 unanswered points. 'nuff said.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:19 am
  • Greenhell wrote:
    gdawg wrote:you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.


    Whether he was one legged or not, he doesn't play defense. 24 unanswered points. 'nuff said.


    i think his was point was...go down 14-0 to the Falcons and watch that comeback not happen
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:24 am
  • I'm honestly a little surprised that people are talking about this Falcon's offense as being a juggarnaut. Are they good? Yes but again, against a soft schedule they averaged roughly the same amount of points the seahawks did. They have a ton of weapons and I do expect them to have some success. But our defense is vastly superior, our offense couldn't match up any better against their defense with our running game and Atlanta's struggles against mobile qb's. I saw why people were a little worried in round one but on paper this is actually an easier matchup for Seattle. I expect a close game regardless until the end with Seattle winning by 10.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 am
  • This is a deep thread so apologies if this point has been made already...

    While our pass rush is our biggest weakness going into this game, and it plays against Atlantas biggest strength, we can gain encouragment from a strong LB corp and great secondary. As English stated we will have to bend not break

    But where I feel this game will turn is in Atlantas greatest wakness and how it plays against our greatest strength. Their run d is atrocious. Something like 26th in the league (sorry didn't look it up)and were absolutely shredded by Cam Newton late on. I love that matchup against Lynch andW ilson. It finally took its toll on the Redskins.

    The question is who holds on longer. Can our d keep us even long enough for our winning game and wilson to take over? I'm hoping so. I like us in this game even more than the Skins game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:59 am
  • Agreed Uncle SI. Surprised people aren't talking more about Atlanta struggling against Cam this year as well as against opposing running backs. I think we move the ball at will against Atlanta. All I hear on the board is their passing game. Well our running game is just as elite as their passing game and it has a better matchup as well. Shocking this isn't discussed more....
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:59 am
  • I am officially confident we will win given English has said we will lose. It's a tradition with him.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:02 am
  • If we win, it'll be with offense.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:10 am
  • If you're still worried that this will be the Lions game all over again, ask yourself this, "Would Seattle lose to them again in a rematch?", I don't think so. Since the Lions and Miami game, the QB play and running game has taken off and our 3rd down defense improved significantly. If we lose then that means the Falcons were able to get turnovers, run the ball efficiently, and Matt Ryan played an amazing game. Could that happen, I suppose so but Seattle has played on fire for weeks and it doesn't appear that I should doubt they are not going to win this game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:06 pm
  • kearly wrote:As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

    Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



    I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:41 pm
  • hawksfan515 wrote:
    kearly wrote:As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

    Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



    I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.


    When I think of our toughest games of the year I think: Green Bay, New England, and Chicago. Those games, especially the latter 2, were won by our offense. I know the defense held them to low scores, but if the defense can hold the Falcons within 1 score I have full faith in Russell Wilson in the 4th quarter (unless his receiver slips and allows an easy reception).
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:00 am
  • This is kind of 'out there' but I'd love to see, if we could disguise it well enough, Browner crush Ryan on an unhindered blind-side blitz. Just snap, step-step-step BOOM! A forced fumble and an aching back for Ryan the rest of the game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:24 am
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:Cool story bro.


    Seriously. Nobody cares why you think the seahawks will lose
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:17 am
  • hawksfan515 wrote:
    kearly wrote:As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

    Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?



    I'm a tad concerned with our offense. Before the Rams game I would have said "Hell YES we will get 400+ yards and 30+ points!", but pass pro seems to be a slight issue now.

    Even in that game, we approached 400 yards. Against that front 7. There is one linebacker from Atlanta that could start for the Rams. The Falcons secondary is better for sure, the safeties are better, though Moore is primarily a hitter.

    Atlanta tries like hell to direct receivers to the 2 deep zones where over throws and under throws are easy pickings. Those are throws Russell avoids, he likes to err to the side of green grass.

    Our offense will be just fine, and I still expect at least 50 points combined in this game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:46 am
  • HighlandHawk wrote:Geez, it's like people are so blind to our problems.. We're not a perfect team and no matter how good our secondary is they cant cover JJ and White for six seconds until our anaemic pass rush eventually waddles upto Matt Ryan.

    I agree with English on pretty much every point he's made. Having the best scoring defense in the league doesn't mean anything when it's a one and done game, it's an average. If we only let the Falcons score 15 points then I'm happy but the Falcons won't score 15 points unless we get a solid pass rush on them, that's just how the Falcons are, good offensive line, excellent passing game and mediocre running game. Keep in mind that our sack total is inflated by a freakish first half in one game and while sacks don't tell a full story for how a defense plays it's still a hugely important aspect and we can't keep riding our luck without QB pressure.

    I honestly believe our pass rush will decide whether we win or lose this game. Four sacks and I'm happy, three and I'm nervous anything less and I'm hoping we can grind out the win with time of possesion


    The most yards that Matt Ryan had in a single game (411) was against the Saints in a loss. Clearly the Saints pass rush didn't show up that day yet they still won. Most games Ryan throws 250 to 350 yards. Ryan may get his average of 294 yards and 2 TD's but that won't be enough to beat the Hawks. Even without Clemons and Jones our defense is better than the average defense the Falcons have faced this year. If Ryan puts up his average numbers I don't see the Falcons beating the Hawks. Seattle will be able to control the clock through their superior ground game keeping Ryan off the field thus limiting the damage he can do with his arm. If the Hawks can manage 200 yards on the ground and 150 to 200 in the air they win this game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:15 pm
  • I think the same reason why we could have lose to the Skins applies equally to the Falcons - 4th quarter defense. We never had to face this situation last week because the game was at hand under 5 minutes. However, what happens if we are up by 2-6 points with less than 2 minutes and Matt Ryan and the Falcons have the ball at their 20? Can our Legion of Boom stop them? Of all the teams we have faced this season, Detroit is probably the closest thing to Atlanta. Heavy pass offense with just a little running game to keep the defense in check. We all remember what happened at the end of that game. I am just concerned that our LB's and safeties will get super soft in that pressure situation on the road with the game on the line. This could all come down to one single drive and our ability to stop them for the game winning score. So far this season, on the road, aside from Carolina, we have not been able to.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:05 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:
    Hawkfan77 wrote:Cool story bro.


    Seriously. Nobody cares why you think the seahawks will lose


    Don't read the thread then.

    Eight pages of discussion suggests people did want to talk about this.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:35 pm
  • Paranoid thread makes me paranoid
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:40 pm
  • I worry about what this game will do to our draft position
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:46 pm
  • VaporHawk wrote:I worry about what this game will do to our draft position


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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:55 pm
  • A couple of points that I'd like to make in regards to several posts in this thread.

    The first is about Bruce Irvin and some peoples worries about him and run defense. He was actually a 3-4 end in college. He has a lot more experience holding the line of scrimmage and allowing the linebackers to make the play on the running back then he had rushing the passer in college. He straight up said that he wasn't coached how to rush the passer when he was in college. The reason is he was taught to maintain his gap.

    The second is about film. A lot of what makes teams successful is studying their opponents, but with our primary pass rusher going down, there is going to be very little film of how we attack an offense with Irvin playing Leo and Scruggs playing DE (remember he has been playing 3-tech with McDonald at the 1-tech throughout the season). The Falcons have no way to prepare for the pressure packages that we will bring. One of the things we don't do much of is twists and stunts, and I can see us bringing those to bear this game.

    The third is regarding the Falcons fan that popped in about how all we did was beat a one legged QB, yadda yadda. The way we actually turned their offensive success around was exactly what I said before the game. The way to slow down or stop that running game is all on your defensive tackles. After the second drive the coaching staff switched responsibilities, Mebane was charged with attacking the guard and center (he had been getting to the MLB and taking him out of the plays). Branch was charged with taking on the tackle and pushing him into the backfield (he had been turning Bryant away from the play). Bryant was charged with taking on the TE) he had been taking out our SAM and thus creating the gap for Morris to get the 7 and 8 yard gains. This strategy worked perfectly. We were able to string the runs out wide and minimize the damage on their runs. That put Griffin in the pocket and their receivers could not get open.

    English, the OP was very well thought out and presented, however I can't agree with your conclusion.
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