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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:50 pm
  • I don't feel losing Clem hurts in with the pass rush as much as it could hurt us in the running game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:53 pm
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:54 pm
  • The best way to compensate for the lack of pressure is Marshaun Lynch. Keep Matty Ice off the field. Bully and wear down the Falcons defense. See how/if Ryan and Smith get antsy with lopsided TOP (they will).

    The Hawks can control and dominate this game, defensively and offensively, through their OL.

    The Hawks lack of pressure is kind of by design. Keep everything in front and make a team earn HARD yards and sustain punishment for there drives. Its worked all year, no reason to think it won't this time.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:55 pm
  • seahawk2k wrote:I don't feel losing Clem hurts in with the pass rush as much as it could hurt us in the running game.


    The Falcons are probably the worst rushing team left in the playoffs, and that includes Green Bay.

    Their interior line is very paltry and Michael Turner runs like he's 50.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:56 pm
  • CANHawk wrote:
    formido wrote:Clemons being out doesn't mean we're going to field 10 guys. Someone else will be on the field to take his place. Last week, we seemed to do just pretty darn dandy with Clemons out. Worst case scenario is a marginal reduction in some aspects of defensive efficiency. Best case, and not at all unlikely, fresh legs and fresh personnel groupings reveals exciting new unprepared for advantages.


    Y'know, I think the argument can be made pretty easily that Clem's production over the last few years has been as much a result of the scheme as it is a result of the talent of Chris Clemons. I absolutely love the dude and respect the hell out of what he brings, but if Clem is such an amazing talent and an unreplaceable piece of the puzzle that we're doomed without him, where was his production in all the years he was in the NFL prior to becoming the Leo DE in Pete Carroll's 4-3 under defense?

    Now we spent a 1st round draft pick on Bruce Irvin because he has all the tools required to play the Leo DE in Pete Carroll's 4-3 under defense. I'm willing to bet that pass rush production from the Leo side of the field won't go down. I'm a little worried about production from the "Raheem Brock" side of the field now that we're going to be relying on Greg Scruggs and a 33 year old workout warrior who hasn't played in 4 years. Scruggs can bring it, but to the same level that Irvin did over there? <shrug> I don't know, but I don't think it will be as big a let down as many are thinking.

    Thanks for the pep talk Formido. I've decided that I am no longer worried about our ability to apply pressure to Matt Ryan or the loss of Chris Clemons. the only place where I think Clem is clearly better than Irvin is in run support, but Atlanta sucks at running the ball anyway so I'm not going to worry about it...


    Couldn't agree more with both of you. Our pass rushing ability has been our weakest link all year and we've been just fine. I'd be worried if it was Earl Thomas or Sherm that went down. We can compensate with the loss of Clem. I love Clem but its not like we're losing Demarcus Ware or Dwight Freeney. I honestly don't think our pass rush will noticeably suffer. Losing Clem's defense against the run is more of a concern for me but the Falcons blow at running the ball.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:06 pm
  • I'm going to say the same thing about this 2012 Falcons team that I said about the 2010 Saints..

    look at their schedule! easier than the 2010 Saints, all those fantastic numbers everyone keeps talking about came against 13 teams that finished under .500

    on the other hand the Seahawks 11-5 came against a schedule where 4 of their opponents made the playoffs, 3 of which are still in... the Falcs?

    oh wait did the Seahawks beat 3 of those teams still in the playoffs already in reg season? and the Falcs?

    c'mon man
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:13 pm
  • HawkGANG wrote:Couldn't agree more with both of you. Our pass rushing ability has been our weakest link all year and we've been just fine.


    Could it not be argued that we've won in spite of this issue rather than being 'fine'?

    After we played Tom Brady, these are the QB's we faced...

    Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, Christian Ponder, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, John Skelton, Ryan Fitzgerald, Colin Kaepernick, Sam Bradford, injured Robert Griffin III.

    None of those QB's... IMO... capitalise on a lack of pressure as well as Matt Ryan does throwing to White, Jones and Gonzalez.

    That is why I'm a little concerned here. The lack of pass rush has still been an issue, we've just found other ways to win. That could easily happen again against Atlanta. But this could be also be an overdue game where a lack of pass rush finally comes home to roost.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:None of those QB's... IMO... capitalise on a lack of pressure as well as Matt Ryan does throwing to White, Jones and Gonzalez.


    I'm not convinced that's Matt Ryan so much as his ridiculous complement of receivers.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:27 pm
  • Actually, the pass rush isn't the biggest worry for me when it comes to winning this game. The biggest factor Seattle needs to watch is not turning the ball over. Atlanta's strength is forcing the turnover on defense so if we can hold onto the ball, drive down the field consistently, and punch in for TD's we have a very good chance of winning. Yeah, the Falcons have a good tight end, the Pat's had two of them and also a deadly running game. Atlanta doesn't have as good of a running game as NE. We were able to force Brady into turnovers, really one of the only games he had this season turning the ball over more than once. We don't need to blitz like crazy, just play the game they have been playing and force the check downs and such and get those timely stops in the red zone. All you can do is limit good QB's really unless you have 4 all pro D-Linemen constantly destroying the QB. I think we'll be fine and win this game, 24-17.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:31 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    HawkGANG wrote:None of those QB's... IMO... capitalise on a lack of pressure as well as Matt Ryan does throwing to White, Jones and Gonzalez.



    against what teams? the Packers? the Patriots? the Bears? the Niners?

    let me ask you this, have the Falcons even seen an Elite Defense this year?

    Hawks have, they beat em all once..

    I,m looking through the ATL schedule and I cant find the elite defenses? fact of the matter is have the Falcons even played an elite team all year long? maybe, if you considered the Skins were Elite entering week 5 @ 2-2... :?

    maybe the Giants or the Saints were the Elite Ds they hammered on week in and week out? lol

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:42 pm
  • Twisted wrote:against what teams? the Packers? the Patriots? the Bears? the Niners?

    let me ask you this, have the Falcons even seen an Elite Defense this year?

    Hawks have, they beat em all once..

    I,m looking through the ATL schedule and I cant find the elite defenses? fact of the matter is have the Falcons even played an elite team all year long? maybe, if you considered the Skins were Elite entering week 5 @ 2-2... :?

    maybe the Giants or the Saints were the Elite Ds they hammered on week in and week out? lol

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    Firstly, I'm talking about a very specific issue within our defense that I feel will be a problem against the Falcons offense. Saying "Errr... Elite defense" is not a counter to this specific problem. It doesn't address that our strength (DB's) might be neutralised by the time Matt Ryan has in the pocket. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, Ryan is much more clinical and prolific at taking advantage of a non-existent pass rush than the likes of Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzgerald, John Skelton, Ryan Tannehill, Mark Sanchez and a lot of the other QB's we've faced recently.

    For what it's worth, I would say Denver's defense is as good as ours, if not better. And not many teams have beaten Denver this year.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:43 pm
  • After watching us respond to getting punched in the mouth/caught off guard to the tune of 14 points and then seeing the way we responded I'm not worried about the Falcons. Are they good? Hell yes, but not as good as we are all the way around. If our guys want it bad enough it will be ours. It will be an exiting game but in the end if we play the way we have been over the last few weeks we move on to the next round.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:44 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    HawkGANG wrote:Couldn't agree more with both of you. Our pass rushing ability has been our weakest link all year and we've been just fine.


    Could it not be argued that we've won in spite of this issue rather than being 'fine'?

    After we played Tom Brady, these are the QB's we faced...

    Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, Christian Ponder, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, John Skelton, Ryan Fitzgerald, Colin Kaepernick, Sam Bradford, injured Robert Griffin III.

    None of those QB's... IMO... capitalise on a lack of pressure as well as Matt Ryan does throwing to White, Jones and Gonzalez.

    That is why I'm a little concerned here. The lack of pass rush has still been an issue, we've just found other ways to win. That could easily happen again against Atlanta. But this could be also be an overdue game where a lack of pass rush finally comes home to roost.


    I don't think so because getting pressure on the QB just isn't in our defensive scheme otherwise I believe we would of blitzed a whole lot more this year. I feel Pete's mentality is to force turnovers and to keep players in front of you and not give up the big play. Now I'm not saying I believe Pete shuns the pass rush I just believe he's evaluated our defense enough to understand what it's strengths and weaknesses are and he's devised a scheme to give our guys the best chance to succeed. If we had that pro bowl pass rusher I'm sure our defensive scheme would change..but we don't.

    Regarding all the QBs you named...listen my argument is less about if a pass rush on Ryan would be more effective rather than saying QB pressure just isn't and has not been a major part of our defensive scheme, and since it has worked to some effect during the regular season it's not gonna change for the playoffs.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:53 pm
  • Why do you guys always find something every week to be worried about and say we are going to lose, I mean come on. Last week a bunch of people said the game was over after the first quarter, I think those are the worst type of fans
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:56 pm
  • The best way to defend the Falcons is to keep our offense on the field. Our running game will be critical to our success on offense. Our defense will be very challenged by their receivers. I'm concerned about the 7-12 yard area. Our LB's will have to step up.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:20 pm
  • Lack of pressure has been our biggest problem all year (or at least since Jason Jones went down), but it's been the lack of interior pressure up the middle from the DTs. We'll continue to bring heat from the ends with irvin and scruggs and hopefully we'll continue to be able to overcome that lack of pressure up the middle allowing qbs to step up into the pocket.

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:22 pm
  • I was worried at the beginning of the week, even wrote a post about why I was worried. I'm not worried anymore. We are going to be fine.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:23 pm
  • Saints gave up the most yards in the history of the NFL this year, but somehow stifled ATLs high powered passing game in their most recent game in ATL (the game where Brees threw 5 picks)... Falcons only garnered 286 yds of total offense, 166 through the air.. Me thinks that film might be one to take a look at..

    it will be a great chess match between our DBs/their WRs and our running game vs their front 7.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:25 pm
  • I have no fear about Atlanta. Here is why

    Yada Yada Yada Yawn statistics bleh.

    But really this team is all business in preparing itself. Wilson has quite the growing reputation, but some there some things that have taken place this year that prove this team is taking being prepared seriously.

    Forget the Wilson story for a moment, Think Richard Sherman instead. Richard Sherman had a sack that was completely based on what Pete was teaching in training camp. It was a specific kind of alignment, that was only shown to the defense once, and Pete had instructed Richard Sherman that regardless of whatever we are doing on defense, you see this formation you just blitz. I believe it was in the Jets game when they had an alignment with an tackle lined up as an eligible receiver and Sherman ditched whatever the current defensive scheme was and went with the preparation from training camp based on that look.

    The Fake Field goal when the Hawks got accused of running up the score. I am sure most people are aware of Pete's explanation about it, that it was again an automatic thing to do if a very specific formation lined up against them. It wasn't called, but it was prepared for in a way that compelled them to automatically just run the play as coached.

    These two things really stand out to me about this team, among so many other things that speak about the preparation. Nobody is on this asking or second guessing what they have been taught about what they are suppose to do.

    Statistically this game has a lot to say about a really good Offense in Atlanta being interesting against a really good defense with a battle between top corners and wide receivers. Sure there is some drama about whether Irvin can make a switch to Clemons spot and be effective, but I am not really scared or worried or anything about this team. The Seahawks will be prepared when they show up in Atlanta. I think it will be a good match up.

    In fact, I think the Seahawks Offense versus Atlanta's defense is where the advantage shifts statistically. The Seahawks are a better passing team then they might appear on paper, and keying the run isn't going to kill the Hawks even if Atlanta does shut our run game down.

    If anything, I just don't think the Hawks are yet hitting on all cylinders. As good as they are, they have yet to reach their potential. My feelings about the Seahawks is that they could lose this game, and realize how good of a team they really are next year. Or its going to happen this game. I don't mean a close game in the Seahawks favor. I mean a very solid win that shows how dominate they really are. I don't think they have yet shown how dominate the talent on this team is ... I think its close and they definitely understand they can beat anyone, but I am telling you, there is a next level just about ready to happen.

    My question about Atlanta is whether there is a feeling about the Falcons still having another level of top performance in them? Because they may need it to even think about winning this game.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:26 pm
  • seahawks875 wrote:Why do you guys always find something every week to be worried about and say we are going to lose, I mean come on. Last week a bunch of people said the game was over after the first quarter, I think those are the worst type of fans


    Yes I'm a terrible fan... especially when I stay up all night watching the games and go to work on zero hours sleep. And spend way too much money flying over for games whenever I can.

    This is an internet chat forum for, you know, discussing things. I'd find the argument above a little more valid if I stood up mid-game at the CLINK, mounted a soap box and started lecturing those nearby on why we were going to lose.

    madbohem wrote:Yada Yada Yada Yawn statistics bleh.


    I don't recall using any statistics in my OP.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:27 pm
  • This season Atlanta has gone away from feeding Turner, who is getting old and slow, and has leaned towards their screen game much more. There's a nice article on SI about this:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/ne ... uk_t12_a12

    It appears that they are not intending to necessarily offset the blitz but rather to get small chunks of yardage outside the hashes to create 3rd and short opportunities. Apparently, it has been a big success for them this season. WR screens are usually predicated on blocking out the CB's. We have big, physical CB's that generally snuff out WR screens pretty well, particularly BB. Our LB's, such as KJ and Leroy have also done an excellent job sniffing out the classic RB screens as well. I like the matchup.

    As far as getting pressure on the QB, I agree losing Clem is a big deal, so I would hope that Bradley would call more LB, nickel corner, and safety blitzes than usual. The good thing is there is not a lot of film of us blitzing like that during the season, so it could actually be an advantage for us by catching Ryan off guard.

    Losing Clem would have been a whole lot worse if we were facing San Fran. Irvin is a significant drop off against the run. In fact, he'd probably not even start against them if that was the case. You'd probably see Scruggs in there.

    All in all, you have to like the matchup on paper versus the Falcons. The only X-factor is Tony Gonzalez, particularly on third down. You just know they are going to try to hit him on third down conversions and try to exploit Kam or KJ's coverage on him. Probably the best bet is to try and knock him off his routes at the LOS. Getting a few "illegal contact" penalties might be worth it if we can neutralize him.

    The biggest X-factor to this game IMO is the psyche of Atlanta. Are they ready to take that next step? They've been gearing up for this moment all season long to get that monkey off their back. This can work both ways mentally. I just hope that they falter one more time (they can get the monkey off their back next year)!
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:35 pm
  • English,

    You could be right, certainly we could lose this game.

    This might be the first opponent since Green Bay in week 3 that will treat their running game as an afterthought, which means we can get far more creative on defense than we usually do. If Atlanta wants to throw the ball 75 to 80 percent of the time, we don't have to be as disciplined, and we can go after Matt Ryan far more than we usually do against other quarterbacks. And maybe pound him like we did to Aaron Rodgers in the first half of the Packers game.

    The Packers game changed when they realized they had to keep our defense honest with their run game. And they did. When we played New England, they forced us to respect Ridley and Woodhead, so we had to play a more standard defense. Will Atlanta run Turner and Rodgers enough to stop us from getting really creative on defense, which could help us get a lot of pressure on Ryan?
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:36 pm
  • I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

    That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

    I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:36 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    seahawks875 wrote:
    madbohem wrote:Yada Yada Yada Yawn statistics bleh.


    I don't recall using any statistics in my OP.


    Sorry I wasn't picking on you for statistics or a lack of them, rather making a point to not really need them to feel secure about the Hawks. I elude to them of course, because there is something to looking at the match ups, but those have been played out in other threads. I understand stats when there is some kind of X's and O's stand point, but my feeling about this team doesn't really need me to do that to feel like I am a fan of the best team in football, this year and every year down the foreseeable future. I know they are going to be dang competitive at a level other teams have built dynasties upon. Looking back, we might miss gaining it all, but I bet others will look back at a certain stretch and say those guys were the best even across a year or two when no Trophy was handed out to this team.

    I just wanted to share my take on this team with you. This team is prepared and its exciting to see that kind of business like approach to such highly talented athletes without a stitch of worry about this young team being full of itself.

    I do get that this team could lose this game. But there is more then just cocky swagger to this team, just as much as there is more to this team then the RAH RAH nature of Pete Carroll. Pete just don't play with those who don't commit. There is a no nonsense approach to this game from the preparation standpoint no matter how much these guys know how to go out and have fun.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:43 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:For what it's worth, I would say Denver's defense is as good as ours, if not better. And not many teams have beaten Denver this year.


    Really? Give them our pass rush, and I don't think they even crack the top 10 as a defensive unit. Not to disparage them unnecessarily or be a dick, but their pass rush being good helps a lot.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:44 pm
  • i'm just not goin to listen to that noise. seahawks win. :179422:
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:47 pm
  • pehawk wrote:I have to think, if pressuring the QB was a priority for Pete and Gus, they'd blitz more. We wonder why they don't blitz? Its fairly obvious why, in their scheme and philosiphy, pressuring the QB isn't paramount.

    That's the only way to rationalize how they succed w/o consistent pressure AND rarely blitz. Its very odd and unique to them, but, that's what it is.

    I know that's simplistic in a forum/thread featuring complexities. But, this is a lot easier to understand than "why don't they blitz?" and "how are they #1 w/o pressure?". IMO, we're missing a big part of their gameplan, and it shows why none of us are on a NFL staff.


    I disagree here. Blitzing goes fundamentally against this Kiffin-esque 4-3 under scheme. That is why they don't do it and why they try to rush with four. But just because this has been a failure this year, doesn't mean it's not paramount.

    I think they believed they could play stout on early downs, rely on Clemons and make hay on third downs. That's why we saw Jason Jones and Bruce Irvin in nickel packages and obvious passing downs. What has actually happened is across the board we haven't really ever got consistent pressure - even when Jones/Irvin played. I think they'll learn from this and target a greater interior rush in base going forward, perhaps by investing in (via FA or the draft) a more natural three-technique. A real pass rushing DT to add to the rotation. They might've hoped to get that with Jaye Howard but it hasn't worked out.

    But I think the blitz goes against what they want to do. They want to create pressure with four and that's generally what the good defenses do. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out this year, but they've still been able to win games. What I've tried to argue in this thread is simply that I think this could prove to be a deciding issue on Sunday. Although obviously I f-in hope not.

    RolandDeschain wrote:Really? Give them our pass rush, and I don't think they even crack the top 10 as a defensive unit. Not to disparage them unnecessarily or be a dick, but their pass rush being good helps a lot.


    But that's like saying take Tom Brady out of New England and the Pats passing game sucks. The reason I like Denver's defense is because of the pass rush.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:53 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:But that's like saying take Tom Brady out of New England and the Pats passing game sucks. The reason I like Denver's defense is because of the pass rush.


    We have a QB where if he knows he's going to get pressured a lot, he can perform very well under those circumstances. Assuming Bevell actually calls plays like designed roll-outs, short routes, read options, etc. We can mostly neutralize the Denver pass rush if we are smart about it. Big shots down the field are nice, but you certainly don't need them to move the chains regularly. (Look at what Brady did to us most of that game with the short passing, and 2nd half of the Packers game to a lesser extent.)

    As much as this may sound like blasphemy, I think I'd rather face Denver than New England. Belichick is one smart mofo, he will have something special cooked up for us if we meet him in the Super Bowl.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:55 pm
  • Fair nuff, Brit.

    I still don't know if it equals a "W", but my prediction is the pressure is greater in this game than any other. And that's simply because of Bruce having no responsibilities other than pressure. And, Scruggs size wreaking havoc a play or two.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:56 pm
  • It's going to be another great game, once again it can go either way.

    Some good tidbits from an SBN article:

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/10/3859792/seattle-seahawks-at-atlanta-falcons-betting-odds-preview-pick-trends

    "Seattle has outscored its opponents 217-74 over the last six games, allowing 17 points or less in each of those games..."

    "Seattle's defense has been strong all season, allowing just 15.3 points per game"

    "All in all, this is a terrible matchup for Atlanta. Not only is Seattle red-hot, but Atlanta's weak rushing defense (allowing 123.9 rushing yards per game) plays right into Seattle's strength with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

    Seattle's defense makes the Seahawks a legitimate Super Bowl contender, and puts Atlanta in serious danger of suffering the same fate it has over the last two seasons."
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:15 pm
  • pehawk wrote:The best way to compensate for the lack of pressure is Marshaun Lynch. Keep Matty Ice off the field. Bully and wear down the Falcons defense. See how/if Ryan and Smith get antsy with lopsided TOP (they will).

    The Hawks can control and dominate this game, defensively and offensively, through their OL.

    The Hawks lack of pressure is kind of by design. Keep everything in front and make a team earn HARD yards and sustain punishment for there drives. Its worked all year, no reason to think it won't this time.


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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:57 pm
  • I love how trendy it is for hawk fans to pick against their own team.

    It's crazy how we are the ONLY team left with holes/weaknesses...how did we make it this far?!
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:12 pm
  • As Scott points out, Pete has to be aware of the pass rush matchup problem. I also think it's hardly a coincidence that Seattle started blitzing very heavily after Clemons left the game last week.

    Seattle is going to finish with 400+ yards and probably 30+ points on offense. Even if Ryan carves us up, we have a 50/50 chance to win anyway. If he doesn't carve us up, it could be a blowout win for Seattle. Atlanta's defense ain't stopping our offense. Our offense has been playing on a New England level since mid-season. Would you expect the Falcons to shut down New England?
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:19 pm
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:I love how trendy it is for hawk fans to pick against their own team.

    It's crazy how we are the ONLY team left with holes/weaknesses...how did we make it this far?!


    I swear to God we are the most fairweather fanbase in the league! I hope my wife doesn't see that I wrote that. She accuses me(and US) of that every season............ LOL! :thirishdrinkers:
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:22 pm
  • We just need to hammer the ball on the ground, and Russ needs to throw a big pass here and there. Keep control of the ball. If Matt Ryan doesn't touch the ball, he doesn't get chances to score. It's as simple as that! The battle over time of possession is gonna determine this thing.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:45 pm
  • I have this same feeling almost, i do not think we will lose, But i dont feel as good about our chances as i have the past few weeks.
    Falcons have been backed into a corner. Their early exits, being talked about like people dont think they are as good as their record says.
    They've been backed into a corner, they could come out playing on a different level while the Seahawks could have a solid game and still lose if the Falcons just have "one of THOSE" games where it seems like everything just goes right for them

    And seeing all the stuff about the game this week, its just starting to feel that way, like the Seahawks might be a great and the hottest team, But the Falcons have something to prove and the Seahawks might be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I really...really hope not. But not a good feeling about it. I honestly think the seahawks are better right now. Just a feeling. Cant be described.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:54 pm
  • It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:55 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Twisted wrote:against what teams? the Packers? the Patriots? the Bears? the Niners?

    let me ask you this, have the Falcons even seen an Elite Defense this year?

    Hawks have, they beat em all once..

    I,m looking through the ATL schedule and I cant find the elite defenses? fact of the matter is have the Falcons even played an elite team all year long? maybe, if you considered the Skins were Elite entering week 5 @ 2-2... :?

    maybe the Giants or the Saints were the Elite Ds they hammered on week in and week out? lol

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    Firstly, I'm talking about a very specific issue within our defense that I feel will be a problem against the Falcons offense. Saying "Errr... Elite defense" is not a counter to this specific problem. It doesn't address that our strength (DB's) might be neutralised by the time Matt Ryan has in the pocket. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, Ryan is much more clinical and prolific at taking advantage of a non-existent pass rush than the likes of Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzgerald, John Skelton, Ryan Tannehill, Mark Sanchez and a lot of the other QB's we've faced recently.

    For what it's worth, I would say Denver's defense is as good as ours, if not better. And not many teams have beaten Denver this year.


    meh, I have to say it again look at the Bronco's schedule, then compare it to Seattle's, even then, the Falcs played the Bronco's when? week 2.... Bronco's went on to complete a 3-3 record before their bye.. Bronco's Elite? OK

    Bronco's played 2 teams in the second half that finished over .500 (cinci, ravens) and played only 3 teams the first half that finished over .500 and they lost to all 3 of them... lol (texans, falcs, pats) Broncos Elite? OK

    Broncos obviously are better than they were in the first half but....

    now look at the Falcons final half season schedule? they didn't play a single team that finished over .500 and during that time the Seahawks opened the book and went on a Rampage while the Falcons lost to the saints, panthers and bucs?

    c'mon man (<<<<----chris burman style)
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:57 pm
  • fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

    C'MON MAN!
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:01 pm
  • and the Falcons lost to 3 bad teams in the second half while the Seahawks went on a 5 game heater beating the Bears, Rams and Niners while losing only one game on the second half!

    C'MON MAN!
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:03 pm
  • so I am going to say it now that I have the chance, the Falcons are NOT an elite squad!

    C'mon MAN
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 pm
  • How we win this game:

    1. Ball control, time of possession, power running, wear down their defense, outlast and out physical them.

    2. Attack the A gap.

    3. Stop Gonzalez on 3rd down and in the red zone.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 pm
  • Twisted wrote:fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

    C'MON MAN!

    Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:25 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Twisted wrote:fact of the matter is the Falcons haven't played a team that finished over .500 since week 5 (skins)

    C'MON MAN!

    Giants finished 9-7. Why are you spouting incorrect information ALL OVER this forum and the official Atlanta Falcons one this week? Dude, this is like the 5th time I've busted your BS this week. What gives? You need to stop.


    oh geez calm down dood, OK they played one team one game over .500
    does that do it for ya? :?

    and no thats not like 5 times, I made one that was 29th worst defense, ended up being 24th, the difference is so huge I guess that makes the falcoons an ELITE squad... lol


    so in their last 8 games the Falcons have played ONE team that is get this, ONE GAME over .500, wooo hooo world beaters incorporated... !!!!


    everybody clap their hands now....

    sides I'm not the only one posting diatribe on this website so.... :192215:
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:37 pm
  • also my data was correct on atalantanation, straight from NFL.com they have the 24th ranked defense, just click on the game like I instructed before...

    League Rankings

    DEFENSE

    SEA 4th Atl 24th

    it don't lie man! so YOU need to backoff man!

    see where it says 24th next to defense? see where it says NFL.com in URL bar? yea thats what I said at atlnation.... :th2thumbs:

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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:59 pm
  • I agree with the premise that a lack of pressure on Ryan might cause problems, but I think if you're focusing on the lack of pass rush from our base defense you're focusing on the wrong area. It's the lack of pressure from our nickel and dime defense which we will struggle with. Pete has already mentioned a few times as that area needing to improve and that was before losing Clemons and Jones (Yikes!)

    Assuming Irvin doesn't crap the bed, our base defense is STILL the elite base defense we've had ALL year. The same defense that only a short while ago led the league in yards-to-go on 3rd down for opposing offenses (and maybe still does). The same base defense that is near top of the league stopping the run and is #1 in scoring. So, why are we calling out our base defense, yet again?

    Here's the funny part. You know why we're going to WIN this game? Our base defense. With two of our main guys out in our sub-package defense, it will be up to our base defense to save our ass by playing such strong Run D that even Scruggs and a tired Irvin will have success on 3rd down.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:10 am
  • sc85sis wrote:It's certainly possible that pass rush could hurt us and we could lose. It's also possible it won't. I think the only real issue I have with Rob's post is that his headline says he thinks the Hawks "will" lose--not "could" lose.

    I'm pretty sure there was an implied "if" -- as in: If we lose, this will be why.

    Personally, I'm not that worried about it, and I can sum up the reasons in one word.

    ADJUSTMENT.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:45 am
  • you guys held on to beat a one legged quarterback, don't get it twisted, they'll be some down and out hawks fans on here sunday evening, but you guys had a great season, you can always build on that, just not this year.
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:53 am
  • Geez, it's like people are so blind to our problems.. We're not a perfect team and no matter how good our secondary is they cant cover JJ and White for six seconds until our anaemic pass rush eventually waddles upto Matt Ryan.

    I agree with English on pretty much every point he's made. Having the best scoring defense in the league doesn't mean anything when it's a one and done game, it's an average. If we only let the Falcons score 15 points then I'm happy but the Falcons won't score 15 points unless we get a solid pass rush on them, that's just how the Falcons are, good offensive line, excellent passing game and mediocre running game. Keep in mind that our sack total is inflated by a freakish first half in one game and while sacks don't tell a full story for how a defense plays it's still a hugely important aspect and we can't keep riding our luck without QB pressure.

    I honestly believe our pass rush will decide whether we win or lose this game. Four sacks and I'm happy, three and I'm nervous anything less and I'm hoping we can grind out the win with time of possesion
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Re: Why I think we will lose this game
Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:15 am
  • I dont feel a loss in the pit of my stomach. Pretty amazing since it's usually is there. lol I feel we win a squeeker.

    If not. I aint mad bro! Amazing and unexpected season!
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