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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:23 pm
  • Well consider that Bradford got 50 million out of the gate I get it, this year is the first year of the new deal and just happened to have a guy like Russell Wilson drafted. If this would have been Jake Locker nobody would have said a word since he is a project still developing but the Titans felt compelled to push him into starting.

    Wilson will get his somehow, someway, the CBA contract is for what is the norm, we already know Wilson is an anomoly as far as whats considered normal.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:28 pm
  • Mortenson was the original source I thought. PFT just doing what they do by taking other's reports and putting their spin on it. Interesting business model that has worked for Florio.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:29 pm
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    BTW who would think we could cancel his contract, get him past waivers, and resign him. Jesus Christ how dumb would you have to be??


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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:31 pm
  • How about he just plays out the goddam contract he signed.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:35 pm
  • OkieHawk wrote:Just sign DangeRuss to several high paid endorsement deals. That shouldn't be too much of an issue for PA

    Paul Allen says to Levi's CEO, We got us this kid who likes to wear Levi Jeans, and I like that association blah blah blah, and so I want to fianacially endorse the endorsement,blah blah blah because he is after all, an icon here in Seattle, so here's a little something that will ensure that he'll be happy with the pushing of your product,blah blah blah so please pass it on.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:40 pm
  • Just give Wilson a Microsoft endorsement deal for a few million an call it good.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:00 pm
  • Vulcan can more then help him out in some capacity I would think if they chose to, or simply say go down to Lake Washington and find a house to Rent we will foot your per diem and relocation expenses.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:03 pm
  • I doubt that Russell's agent would do this, this just sounds bogus.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:42 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    v1rotv2 wrote:This particular contract issue (rookie salary cap) is all on the players, 100% of it. The vets wanted more money and the highly paid rookies were not living up to their premium contracts. Smith did exactly what his players wanted.


    1) you missed the part that rookies subject to this didn't have a vote...
    2) You don't think the owners pushed for this?lol. Of course they did. Look at Bradford's contract and it is a joke

    They simply went to far. A RB may have two three great years, suffer for life an never getthe second deal




    The biggest part of this deal is when you sign on with the NFL you agreed for the NFL & NFLPA to run your life,,,end of story.

    So no legal stuff outside of football has any bearing on anything. Fair/unfair its a typical deal where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    No sense talking about what is legal and what isn't cause the NFL decides what is legal and what isn't.

    I didn't say its right that rookies are caught in this but it is what it is. Also if he was a linebacker picked in later rounds you wouldn't be having this conversation.

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    p.s. you are right he could have refused to sign on. Then instead of being a starting QB he's be working on his MA somewhere.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:56 pm
  • I have s hard time buying this story. I don't care how credible the source. Cook isnt some yahoo that just fell off the turnip truck in Yakima.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:56 pm
  • I have s hard time buying this story. I don't care how credible the source. Cook isnt some yahoo that just fell off the turnip truck in Yakima.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:04 pm
  • The NFLPA doesn't care so much about rookies, when they renegotiated the CBA it was all about protecting veterans.

    The reason they accepted a rookie cap is they knew more money would go to veterans.

    The reason they accepted rookies being stuck in their current contracts is that they knew teams would have more money to pay unrestricted free agents.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:16 pm
  • The NFL has a congressional exception. While it is easy to say nothing else matters they are not immune to lawsuits. The NFLPA could be sued for negotiations against future members and they could both be sued for collaborating against a group if players to be. I truly do believe that we will see someone like RW or Sherman have two fantastic seasons get blown to pieces and then come back an sue the league (sorry for using Sehawk players as examples but couldn't think of others right now)
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:22 pm
  • pehawk wrote:It's REALLY messed up in a sport where careers can end in a second, with no guarenteed contracts, there's rules NOT allowing renegotiations.

    Que the jealous dummy who cries "but I dont make that type of money so Wilson should be happy with the contract he has already"; 3...2...1


    That's what "own occupation" disability insurance is for. Without a doubt Russell probably has a disability insurance policy which would pay him more than 300,000 a year if he can't play QB. that number probably can go up to more than a million now. There are guarantees - people just have to be smart about it.

    I am not saying he doesn't deserve more and that he should be happy with what he is being paid but a contract is a contract. He is the exception as to why the system is the way it is. The CBA is created in such a way to mitigate the risks of rookies to teams.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:32 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:"Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
    Got a call from an irate Bus Cook, agent for Russell Wilson. Called the report that he asked for a new deal "a bunch of bull---t" Ok then"

    This story sounded like trumped up B.S. from the start.

    That's what I thought when I first heard about it, and I haven't heard or read anything to the contrary.

    It's kinda amazing how it started a relatively huge discussion.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:20 pm
  • Man its nice having wilson, sherman, and kam all playing for around 1 million dollars a year combined.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:16 am
  • A little different because it's NBA but those saying Paul Allen should hook Russell up with a deal might want to remember this.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/smith-s ... mberwolves

    Russell will be getting plenty of money from endorsements if Bus Cook is doing his job and as long as he's healthy he'll get paid as soon as the Seahawks can do it in a legitimate way. Trying to sneak around the system could ruin our up and coming club so not worth it in my opinion.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:28 am
  • Let's not forget both Russell and his wife got big checks for hocking jeans.

    If any player out there can be categorized as just happy to be here, it's Russ. Somehow I just don't think he is going to ever hold out for a big payday. Just another for us to be very happy about out new QB.

    Now, his agent? Meh.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:28 am
  • Come on people their are more ways to compensate someone than paying them what a contract states. I'm sure Paul Allen is looking at homes in the area that they can move the Wilson family into. I'm sure they will pony up for any airline travel that Russ and his family needs. Probably a new car or two, leased of course. Their are many different things the Team can do here than just write in a contract that they are going to pay him "X" amount of dollars per year. I'm sure the team is assisting him in locking down endorsement deals as we speak because not only would he be endorsing a product but putting his face out there in advertisement means he is also advertising the team and the league. I expect Wilson to be a new face of the league in the next few years. Much like Blake Griffin has become for the NBA and the Clippers.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:27 am
  • SeahawkAce wrote:Come on people their are more ways to compensate someone than paying them what a contract states. I'm sure Paul Allen is looking at homes in the area that they can move the Wilson family into. I'm sure they will pony up for any airline travel that Russ and his family needs. Probably a new car or two, leased of course. Their are many different things the Team can do here than just write in a contract that they are going to pay him "X" amount of dollars per year. I'm sure the team is assisting him in locking down endorsement deals as we speak because not only would he be endorsing a product but putting his face out there in advertisement means he is also advertising the team and the league. I expect Wilson to be a new face of the league in the next few years. Much like Blake Griffin has become for the NBA and the Clippers.


    Not picking on you per say but many have posted similiar opinions to this

    Do you guys think that the NFL is a league run by idiots??? OK well never mind don't answer that :)

    My point is they look at this stuff - you cannot provide benefits and not count that money. Ask the Saints organization what happens when you provide additional benefits for performance :) - whatever you think that was part of the reasons for suspension regardless of the intent to injury. Paul Allen cannot have his hand into anything related to paying for RW outside of his job. If he does then it will be scrutinized and the only way it flies will be if it is inline with what others are paid etc. So if Microsoft already hires others and pays $500K for promotions fine then then RW could get a similiar deal. Giving him $2 milliion won't fly. Free cars and trips on the side - count it as salary

    Now assisting him with getting deal - sure they could be in on that but pretty sure his agent and managers want to handle all that to make sure they get their cut :)
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:34 am
  • Maybe there are loopholes, but that's a slippery slope. If you set the precedent once, there will be Sophomores all over the NFL sitting out of camp because they didn't get a guaranteed endorsement/house/kickback.... The owners would never allow themselves to be pressured back into the same situation. ... and you know Jerry Jones would de everything he could to disallow it even if, in this particular case, it's the right thing to do.

    Right now, no FO has to ever worry about a rookie or sophomore or even 3rd year player holding out. Yes, of course rookies can hold out, but probably for a few weeks of camp, not fractions of the season because the stakes are so much lower. I don't think anyone ever expects a Michael Crabtree scenario where his value was 0 for the first year because of a holdout.

    Currently, rookies (right or wrong) have to trust they'll be paid for past and future performance on their second contract. I would guess, Paul Allen and the Seahawks might be more willing to do this than many other organizations.

    ... or we could all donate an extra $10,000 to bring him up to his earned 10 mil....
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:44 am
  • Dude is such a diva. Already cracks in the armor showing up.

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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:14 am
  • A few points/theories:

    Would it be incredibly out of the question for Wilson's agent to at least bring the subject up with the Seahawks FO to simply keep dialogue open either regarding the future, or just in case any rules change in the offseason/future offseasons? These agents make money from new contracts, and I don't expect they like to sit around just 'hoping' everything works itself out. An inquiry and 'touching base' about the situation simply because that's part of your job doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. Is the Agent just supposed to sit around for 3 seasons without doing his due-diligence in managing his clients?

    These agents are experts at what they do; their entire livelyhood is based around this information so the idea that he simply 'didn't know' is obviously a joke.

    The idea that Russell Wilson is standing outside paul allens office waiting for a hand out is equally ridiculous.

    Russell Wilson is an investment for this agent; the idea that he isn't at least touching base about the contract and communicating in the best interest of any future deals or that if he is touching base about it, it's because he's clueless or RW is greedy is retarded.

    Sometimes the media and fans need to grow up a bit and use their big-boy perspective on things.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:55 am
  • In retrospect, there should be an "out-performing rookie contract" clause in the CBA that allows a player and his agent to appeal to a committee consisting of past players, past agents and the NFL, which would exist for the purpose of hearing cases like Russell Wilson's.

    Appeals could be submitted to the committee after years one and two of rookie contracts are complete.

    Just a thought to chew on.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:56 am
  • Hawknballs - yeah except everyone knows he will get a raise not like this needs to be discussed even one bit. In a year they can start talking about $18 million / year vs $20 million......
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:58 am
  • onanygivensunday wrote:In retrospect, there should be an "out-performing rookie contract" clause in the CBA that allows a player and his agent to appeal to a committee consisting of past players, past agents and the NFL, which would exist for the purpose of hearing cases like Russell Wilson's.

    Appeals could be submitted to the committee after years one and two of rookie contracts are complete.

    Just a thought to chew on.


    I don't disagree with the thought behind this but it will create a mess with everyone trying to appeal (what is the downside right)...

    I believe in set incentives. Set by the league and the untion. They are black and white. A 7th rounder is NOT getting paid with the expectancy that he plays 10 games in a season 50% of the snaps on either side of the ball and neither is a 3rd rounder etc. When they do you could very simply have escalators in there and the cost of those could apply to the cap 2 years down the road etc.

    If they don't make expectations (expectations are what they get paid for) then they will get cut. Don't ever forget the other side of the coin to the whole "honor your contract argument" is that the owners have an out. They always have an out
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:00 am
  • I'm a little concerned about what happens for rookies like wilson that out-perfrom their contracts, when they finally do get the chance for a new one, are there going to be astronomical demands that out-strip any current superstar contracts because they feel like they've been undervalued? (Wilson doesn't seem like the type of player to do so but we all now how unique he is).

    If so the window for the Seahawks might be smaller than we think unless there are cap adjustments.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:05 am
  • mikeak wrote:Hawknballs - yeah except everyone knows he will get a raise not like this needs to be discussed even one bit. In a year they can start talking about $18 million / year vs $20 million......



    it's easy to say "its not worth talking about now" when it's not your career/job to manage a client and keep discussions open and expectations known with their employer.

    From a fan perspective it's true that it's not worth discussing. As an agent, regardless of the CBA, there has to be some expectation of conversations about the future, or you wouldn't be doing your job right.

    It's obvious nothing can be done now but there's no reason to not keep communication open until you get to that point.

    If I invest 100K somewhere, but I'm not allowed to withdraw my principle or earnings for another 3 years, does that mean that the management of my assets is not worth routinely evaluating? I realize this isn't a 1-for-1 comparison but it's only naive to think that the agent isn't going to bother talking to the team for 3 years simply because the contract can't change right now.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 am
  • Well, hopefully some of his teammates can pitch in and buy him some new suits. Maybe set him up with a decent tailor.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:17 am
  • This is so rediculously hilarious! I can't believe how many people (outside .net) actually think Wilson would be apart of this!! I don't believe even his agent would be this stupid just by associate alone.

    I think if anyone in the league were to pull a "Ron Paul" and suggest his salary be 30k to make it easier for everyone else in the country to live; it would be Wilson.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:30 am
  • Bunch of Hooey here! Wilson will get his payday!
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:32 am
  • Russell Wilson is officially the most underpaid player in the NFL. No doubt. He's making less than $3 million over 4 years, while his backup [Flynn] gets $26 million over three years. That's gotta suck. I doubt Wilson is the type of guy to be 'in it' just for the money. But you can't blame him for wanting a raise. If that's the case. Sounds more like RW's agent is looking to get a bonus for grabbing him a little more cash.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:45 pm
  • Can they give him a heafty Annuity?
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:04 pm
  • I am all for this rookie salary cap.

    Russel Wilson's big pay day is coming to him if he keeps this up for 3 seasons. Then when he gets his big payday, he will have earned it, received it on merit not potential.

    This cap was needed big time, too many players like Arron Curry receiving big contracts for doing squat.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:35 pm
  • everybody knows the big paydays come from nike and gatorade.all in due time the money will come, he's a ad man's dream
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:52 pm
  • Sturm wrote:How about he just plays out the goddam contract he signed.


    Tell him, Sturm! While you're at it, tell hit to pull his goddam pants up!! This isn't the prison yard for crying out loud!
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:16 pm
  • mikeak wrote:
    v1rotv2 wrote:This particular contract issue (rookie salary cap) is all on the players, 100% of it. The vets wanted more money and the highly paid rookies were not living up to their premium contracts. Smith did exactly what his players wanted.


    1) you missed the part that rookies subject to this didn't have a vote...
    2) You don't think the owners pushed for this?lol. Of course they did. Look at Bradford's contract and it is a joke

    They simply went to far. A RB may have two three great years, suffer for life an never getthe second deal


    1.) you missed the part when I said 100% on the players I did not say on 100% of the players. But remember this NFLPA could care less about future players. They know that it's the current players that pay the dues. It's those players that wanted a redistribution of the player share of revenue.

    2.) Obviously you paid no attention to the contract agreement between the League and the NFLPA. The owners are required to pay out over 90% of the money they no longer have to pay to the rookies. That's how the NFLPA guaranteed the vets they would get the money. So basically it was a wash for the owners. The one benefit they get out of the deal is that rookie hold outs now are pretty much a thing of the past.

    As far the RB that gets injured during his rookie contract that's life and it happens everyday to the millions of regular working folks. I bet the rookies look at disability insurance in a new light now.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:26 pm
  • Hawknballs wrote:A few points/theories:

    Would it be incredibly out of the question for Wilson's agent to at least bring the subject up with the Seahawks FO to simply keep dialogue open either regarding the future, or just in case any rules change in the offseason/future offseasons? These agents make money from new contracts, and I don't expect they like to sit around just 'hoping' everything works itself out. An inquiry and 'touching base' about the situation simply because that's part of your job doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. Is the Agent just supposed to sit around for 3 seasons without doing his due-diligence in managing his clients?

    These agents are experts at what they do; their entire livelyhood is based around this information so the idea that he simply 'didn't know' is obviously a joke.

    The idea that Russell Wilson is standing outside paul allens office waiting for a hand out is equally ridiculous.

    Russell Wilson is an investment for this agent; the idea that he isn't at least touching base about the contract and communicating in the best interest of any future deals or that if he is touching base about it, it's because he's clueless or RW is greedy is retarded.

    Sometimes the media and fans need to grow up a bit and use their big-boy perspective on things.


    It is pretty out of the question. It's an iron-clad part of the CBA that his contract won't be subject to change. Would you like it if you had an employee who had zero chance of getting a raise for two more years asking you about it? There's simply zero in it for RW or the agent to get on about it. All it does is start to establish a potential disgruntled player story. I'd be surprise if RW and his agent want to start those kinds of stories about him. Simply put again, no good can come from "touching base" about it right now.

    Also, the team and Paul Allen can have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with him getting more money somehow. Those are the rules. Any under the table compensation also sets him up to look like a greedy, dissatisfied player. He's the exception to the rule of rookies and their payscale. As are guys like Sherman and it sucks for them, but they will get paid when it's time.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:30 pm
  • Hey I'm with you guys. What we can do is create a Russell Wilson Micro Transaction site. We get 100,000 people to donate between 10 and 20 dollars once a year for 2 more years. Which will supplement his salary by 1 to 2 million.

    His performances were definately worth a 20 spot this season. I just don't want to create the site, somebody else can do that. Also with that kind of support he should be showing well to prospective advertisers (which would supplement his salary further).
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:33 pm
  • v1rotv2 wrote:
    mikeak wrote:
    v1rotv2 wrote:This particular contract issue (rookie salary cap) is all on the players, 100% of it. The vets wanted more money and the highly paid rookies were not living up to their premium contracts. Smith did exactly what his players wanted.


    1) you missed the part that rookies subject to this didn't have a vote...
    2) You don't think the owners pushed for this?lol. Of course they did. Look at Bradford's contract and it is a joke

    They simply went to far. A RB may have two three great years, suffer for life an never getthe second deal


    1.) you missed the part when I said 100% on the players I did not say on 100% of the players. But remember this NFLPA could care less about future players. They know that it's the current players that pay the dues. It's those players that wanted a redistribution of the player share of revenue.

    2.) Obviously you paid no attention to the contract agreement between the League and the NFLPA. The owners are required to pay out over 90% of the money they no longer have to pay to the rookies. That's how the NFLPA guaranteed the vets they would get the money. So basically it was a wash for the owners. The one benefit they get out of the deal is that rookie hold outs now are pretty much a thing of the past.

    As far the RB that gets injured during his rookie contract that's life and it happens everyday to the millions of regular working folks. I bet the rookies look at disability insurance in a new light now.


    It is not 100% on the players. It is 100% on the players that agree to the CBA and 0% on incoming players the last two years

    The owners did NOT like gettin hamstrung by Paton so much to unknown rookies. Total outlay is the same but they wanted this change big time
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:36 pm
  • Dude is going to be balls deep in endorsements by the start of next season. He'll be fine.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:42 pm
  • Why is this silliness four pages deep?

    Uggh. Is it training camp yet?
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:42 pm
  • http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/2 ... wton_n.htm

    ""It won't be the same," Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said of his expectations for a rookie scale. "We all know that it's a common area of interest between us and the players. So it's reasonable to assume that there will be some changes there."
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:23 am
  • I love the rookie wage scale.A couple of years back teams were getting hamstrung by underperforming rookies eating up huge amounts of cap space.
    Pretty soon this team will have tough calls to make when Wilsons agent wants over 15 mil and you know Sherman wont be humble during contract talks he will be wanting over 10 a year.
    All good teams with developing stars end up keeping the 4 or 5 core players on either side of the ball and patching up the rest with low price pick ups.
    With the amazing job the FO has done drafting its going to almost impossible to keep this team together with all the huge pay raises coming up in the next few years. I wouldn't feel to bad for these guys they arn't missing any meals.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:35 am
  • Why not just keep him at the rookie contract until just before it runs out? Saves cap space that way.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:32 am
  • Brian McIntyre ‏@brian_mcintyre
    RT @SI_PeterKing: Russell Wilson to me: "I speak for myself. I never demanded or asked for a restructured contract." More in my Tues column.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:27 am
  • I think this is more of an issue for fans than players. I am fairly certain wise players/agents have insurance policies out to insure that they make it into their contract year. Even without the cap, insuring players has always been around, but with the rookie cap, it's probably even more important for the younger guys now than ever before.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:32 am
  • CANHawk wrote:Well, hopefully some of his teammates can pitch in and buy him some new suits. Maybe set him up with a decent tailor.

    It is kind of sad to see Wilson wearing those Jos. A Bank white banker suits. But if he was dressed like Deon Sanders that would suck more. He needs to take Golden with him next time he gets some threads. Golden wears some natty threads.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:54 am
  • pehawk wrote:It's REALLY messed up in a sport where careers can end in a second, with no guarenteed contracts, there's rules NOT allowing renegotiations.


    This is the CBA the player's association bargained.

    On the flip side, it's also messed up that the Jets have to pay Mark Sanchez 9 million more dollars to stink it up next year.
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Re: Wilson's agent asks for raise?
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:17 am
  • AbsolutNET wrote:Brian McIntyre ‏@brian_mcintyre
    RT @SI_PeterKing: Russell Wilson to me: "I speak for myself. I never demanded or asked for a restructured contract." More in my Tues column.



    Here's the actual article by Peter King:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130122/sean-payton-russell-wilson/?sct=hp_t2_a3

    Russell Wilson says he hasn't asked for, and won't ask for, a new contract. Chris Mortensen reported that a representative of Wilson's reached out to the Seahawks and asked that his contract be modified in the way of his terrific rookie season, capped off by his 385-yard passing performance in a 30-28 playoff loss to Atlanta. Wilson reached out to me this morning to say: "I speak for myself, and I never demanded or asked for a restructured contract ... I have complete understanding and respect for the new CBA rules ... Anyone who knows me knows I play for the love of the game. I play for the challenge of being the best one day and know I have a long way to go.'' The CBA Wilson refers to is the Collective Bargaining Agreement, signed in July 2011, which mandates that rookies' contracts for draft choices not be "renegotiated, amended or altered in any way'' until after the final game of the player's third season. Wilson, a third-round pick in 2012 of the Seahawks, will make $527,000 and $662,000 over the next two seasons, and then, early in 2014, could get a commensurate payday from the Seahawks. But not until then. "I respect the NFL, respect the new CBA, respect my teammates, respect all of the other players across the league, and respect the Seattle Seahawks,'' Wilson added. So that puts a lid on that.
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